Re: [talk-latam] paved/unpaved roads
Hi Joost, hola Wille tod@s, (I'll also write in English as that will likely be better for all.. Mi espanol no es aún suficientemente bueno para expresar cosas más tecnicas sin problemas de comprencion.. ) First off, not sure if I've already introduced myself but briefly just in case: I've been involved more with OSM since 2010 starting since the Haiti earthquake. I lived in Haiti for three years mapping both generally and a lot with HOT related activities. I've been living in Nicaragua bit over a year now and both personally and as a HOT active I hope to be able to extend my involvement with broader Latin America and the Caribbean's mapping community. So, I'm very happy to see that this list was created and has been picking up steam. Regarding existing possible future surface visualizations/renderings: The last larger project that HOT was involved with in Haiti in the spring of 2013 created a map style that renders the surface tag (or the lack thereof), the Humanitarian and Development map style (or HOT Style or HDDM style or HDM-CartoCSS as it's also called). The style was drawn by Yohan Boniface (who has also created uMap, CCd) and it's available in Github https://github.com/hotosm/HDM-CartoCSS . This style is available both via osm.org (as a layer) and freely via openstreetmap.fr (the TMS source for osm.org too). Comments and improvements to the style are always most welcomed. The style is not just a tweaked Mapnik (actually not even based on the Mapnik style) so don't expect to see Mapnik + surface. But one of the key needs was to include visualization of surface, so hopefully/possibly that can serve a need that has been raised here. On the app front, I noticed a few updates ago that the wonderful OsmAnd has now also a very good visualization of both road surface and road surface condition (smootheness= tag). The legend of the OsmAnd visualization is available via the app help and OsmAnd website. I haven't (yet) made any comments / filed bugs/issues on OsmAnd (=shame on me note2self!) and I'm actually not sure what's the best place to report its issues - perhaps the Google Groups forum https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/osmand? I think that while surface (and practicability more broadly) is very important in many parts of the world, especially in areas with heavier rains and/or less developed road infrastructure it might not ever make sense to add surface information to a global generic map style like Mapnik. If the 2u (ugly but useful) would be actively maintained (.. to my limited and quite possibly just plain wrong understanding now Mapnik-fr) then it would have a place. But this is of course quite purely about what the maintainers of the styles in question want to incorporate. Perhaps over time Latin-American and/or African OSM community could create its own version of the Mapnik style, too, as the French and German OSM communities have done? But until that happens the HOT style can hopefully be of use for those that would like to see Mapnik+surface. As for LATAM/Africa mapping scheme. If I remember correctly the African roads tagging scheme http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa was created to help harmonize road tagging specifically across HOT-facilitated remote mapping projects. Pierre Beland (who was in Con Datos and has been involved with essentially all HOT remote mapping activities; he was also involved with creating the HOT map style) created that page and is better to comment on its details than me (CC'd too). But my understanding is that the driving factor for excluding the trunk road was likely to keep the list simple for newcomer or relatively beginner mappers (which is the case for many African mapping activities, both local and remote). In the bigger picture, I'm agree/think that discussion, benchmarking and also iterations that help harmonize (to some reasonable extent) the Southern tagging (areas with heavier weather and/or less developed road infra) such as LATAM and Africa will be beneficial to all. This discussion is of course part of that. I can't remember if there is yet a common mailing list for African OSM communities? Pierre will surely know if yes. But the HOT community list (h...@openstreetmap.org) is always open for discussing these kinds of mapping issues (particularities of heavy weather implications or/and underdeveloped infra mapping) if they don't fit to the general tagging@osm list. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8131-0729 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br wrote: Hola, joost En la comunidad Brasileña ya tuvimos muchas discusiones sobre la clasificación de carreteras y calles. Llegamos en una definición que es muy buena para vías rurales, pero, en mi opinión, no es todavía muy clara para las vías urbanas (los principales conflictos son entre calles residenciales y terciarias):
Re: [Talk-ht] Inondations Cap Haitien
*--- Version française est la machine traduit (par Google). Texte anglais original est au fond: ---* En fait, vous avez seulement besoin d'une connexion de données sur le mobile pour utiliser Mapillary à mettre en place (pour la connexion à votre compte). L'application des balises toutes les photos qu'il prend avec tous les méta-données (les fichiers). Cela comprend la chaîne d'identification du compte de l'utilisateur qui a pris chaque photo. Ceci, combiné avec (très facile à utiliser Python) télécharger son permet à quiconque de télécharger les photos des autres de sorte que les personnes qui ont pris des photos se crédités correctement (et liés à des besoins éventuels éditer / d'interrogation). Je discutais plus tôt un processus dans lequel je pourrais envoyer des photos je l'ai pris à l'équipe Mapillary en Suède (sur les cartes micro SD, dans une enveloppe régulière) et qu'ils allaient transférer les photos. La chose est que les photos accumulent beaucoup de données. Je l'ai pris près de 300 _Giga_bytes de Photos depuis Mars. .. Donc, si vous ne disposez pas d'une assez bonne connexion pour les téléchargements il ya des façons de contourner le problème.You actually only need a data connection on the mobile to use Mapillary to set it up (for logging in with your account). -Jaakko *--- And so, what I meant to say is... ---* The application tags all photos it takes with all meta data (on the files). This includes the ID string of the user account that took each photo. This, together with (very easy to use Python) upload scripts makes it possible for anyone to upload other people's photos so that the people who took the photos get appropriately credited (and linked to for possible edit/question needs). I discussed earlier a process in which I could send photos I have taken to the Mapillary team in Sweden (on micro SD cards, in a regular envelope) and they would upload the photos. The thing is that the photos accumulate quite a lot of data. I have taken closer to 300 _Giga_bytes of photos since March. .. So, if you don't have a good enough connection for the uploads there are ways to go around the issue. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8131-0729 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh 2014-11-06 6:24 GMT-06:00 Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com: Concernant le projet Mapillary il faut avoir une connection internet pour pouvoir communiquer avec le serveur. Les images sont sauvegardées que temporairement dans l'appareil. A t'on d'autre logiciel a citer ou tester, cordialement FredM J utilise parfois GPS Essential pour android et telemeter all the best FredM ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages. ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
Re: [Talk-ht] cap haitien innondation
I would suggest to use Mapillary if you are taking photos with mobile phone as those get put on a map automatically - and there is already integration with the iD editor of OSM.org. The uploaded photos also get an explicitly OSM compatible license automatically and also explicitly CC-by-sa for other possible uses. On top of this you can use the app so that you end up having a local full sized copy of all of the photos you have taken (what I do for all photos I take with Mapillary), which helps in using the (information in the) photos especially when you don't have a good connection (.. I have found digiKam to have the best photo map view feature of all of the photo management applications I've tried with Linux/Ubuntu). Has anyone thought of specific things that could be dive in regards to this flooding from afar or are there support needs in regards to activities related to this incident? Cheers, -Jaakko -- Sent from my mobile device. On Nov 4, 2014 3:37 PM, Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com wrote: bon courage a tous et soyez prudent, en esperant que la plus s'arrete demain Le 4 novembre 2014 22:33, ALCE, Samuel Paul alcesamuelp...@gmail.com a écrit : Je suis sur place, j'ai des photos de la situatuon actuelle... malheureusement je suis dans l'une des zones les plus vulnerables je suis coince a l'interieur pour le moment je ne peux pas avoir beaucoup plus de photos. Je suis en train de vivre un mauvais moment a Cap Haitien! Via cet email je solicitte l'aide des membres de COSMHANNE pour pouvoir prendre des photos georenferencees et aussi de penser a travailler avec les membres de la mairie et du DPC Bonne collaboration! ALCE Samuel Paul, Port-au-Prince, Haiti Field Data Coordinator @ DAI/ USAID. Géo-Information Specialist (GIS) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team member OpenStreetMap contributor in Haiti OSM username: Alce Samuel Paul (509) 4894-2175 / 4638-4875 / 4289-7651 Skype: samuelalce On Nov 4, 2014 4:24 PM, Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com wrote: Bonjour à tous, Pensez vous qu'il est possible de mettre les photos sur umap ou sur flirck (georeference si possible ou du moins avec le lieux ou le nom de la rue) Il est important de pouvoir conserver ces photos comme base historique de ces innondations, Cordialement, FredM ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate ( http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages. ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages. ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
Re: [OSM-talk] online survey about the OSM community
I too found the questions in the middle of the survey a bit odd. .. To the extent that I needed to re-read the email about the study + the Research page of the wiki to evaluate if this was a valid research of just an odd phishing attempt. And while I ended up trusting that this is a legit request I am copying this to cdimo...@mail.sdsu.edu (try to) ensure that this is actually the case. My last question (=feedback request) included thoughts that when researching OSM it would be a good idea to include the research plan (and I'd add that a link to some actual web page where hopefully there is a notion about the research in question). Specifically it would be highly appreciated if possible attachments e.g. to financing entities (related business(es) I would assume primarily) could be listed. .. Or it would be noted that such information can not be released. Additionally it would be great if the research would be open in nature including at least some level of openness in the data (responses). That is, more than the traditional openness of the analysis. This said, I hope I wasn't fooled into giving out information about myself that is actually easily identifiable. .. And if I was fooled than the lesson is on me. If -- as I assume (and hope) -- this is a valid research then I look forward to reading the results. And hopefully seeing some of the collected data openly available. Should we have a Code of Ethics for researching the OSM community? -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I had the same issue. It stopped being about OSM. Which made me suspect that his intent was other than what was announced. I'd be willing to help the OP if he was agreeable to suggestions. Clifford Typos by tablrt On Aug 19, 2014 11:15 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: On 19/08/14 17:47, OSMR wrote: Thank you in advance for your potential participation and apologies for the lengthy message in case you are not interested. I gave up before I got half way - just seems like a load of useless crap? Anybody actually managed the whole thing? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] online survey about the OSM community
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com wrote: Should we have a Code of Ethics for researching the OSM community? Picking up from my own question: When looking at the Research page in the wiki I was actually trying to look for a section that would list ongoing OSM research projects. .. This is something that pretty much anyone doing research related to OSM could just add there if s/he or they wanted. I'd claim that this could increase the trust of some the people within the community to participate in the research. .. A link to the researcher's own web page (university, blog, what not) about the project would be good too as commented in my prior blurb. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Captcha
The last discussions about this that I can remember (and find with a quick search) were OSM-talk threads: - Hate captchas starting March 14, https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-March/069320.html and the follow-up to it - ReMAPTCHA Demo BETA 0.2 online! (Was: Hate captchas) starting March 28, https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-March/069526.html Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Maybe this topic has been already raised, sorry if so. When editing the OSM wiki and adding links, there is a -are-you-really-a-human-being check (what makes completely sense) through Captcha. My concern is that currently Captcha requests to put a number from a picture that is actually a photo from a great existing address. And the result, if I am not wrong, just feeds Google address database. Can we not switch to another checking system? There are others, actually less cumbersome, that do not feed a totally copyrighted database? Sincerely, Severin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] use osm-notes like pinwall
Hi all, I'm actually happy that Jan raised this issue. As he noted we've had an exchange of a few OSM messages about how he has viewed my notes use and my responses to his thoughts. As Rafael commented I'm a somewhat active OSM contributor (with Haiti and Nicaragua having been my biggest territories of contribution but also in various HOT projects as well as my former home in DC area and my native Finland). I've been super thrilled about OSM notes as you can read from below. I'm copy-pasting below the exchange of message I've had with Jan about the use of OSM notes as I think that given the young age of the map notes there should be discussion about the use of them -- and also how to make notes-related tools better. This should explain pretty well my main views about the issue -- I'd be very interested to hear of others' thoughts. What is obvious, as I comment below, is that as things are the notes system does _not_ provide very good tools for filtering (nor searching, etc handling of) notes and this can cause problems to some per others' more active use of the notes. The current situation does require responsibility from those adding a lot of notes (to resolve them too). As for the thought of : Don't use it like that I actually beg to disagree. The notes allow sharing of field observations that others can use to improve the map - or just highlight problematic areas. But yes, there are things and ways of working that could be improved. I'm all ears for any / all thoughts about this. (Including Jan who didn't answer to my replies and questions in them.) Cheers from Fuengirola where I'm spending my holiday until tomorrow, -Jaakko Ps. I've actually thought that some sort of standardized acronyms for notes while on the go would be really good / help create notes faster and help others understand acronyms that are used (in which I'm currently not the only one, btw). - # Lübeck 29 April 2014 at 14:06 Hi ! you added some notes in Malaga for traffic-light etc. OSM-Notes is not a editor-alternative. please edit the data by yourself and close the notes. reagards Jan :-) Germany ## Lübeck 1 May 2014 at 04:50 Hi Jan, Thanks for your message. I've resolved the few Map notes I had created while in Malaga and observed missing traffic lights in the OSM db (.. obviously adding those to the db). I think that we have a little bit of a different understanding of what the notes can and can't be used for. First off, I don't see any remark at the OSM wiki page that you couldn't also add notes about missing less important objects in the OSM db ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes#Using_notes) -- to which I must add that traffic lights not being on the map can be a bigger issue to others than it is to you. Secondly, the wiki page (and my opinion) is not alone. There was an interesting session about using the Notes in mapping at the recent SotM-US (albeit I actually missed it and only heard from others that it was interesting). .. The point is, in any case, that people are increasingly using the notes for mapping and not merely adding a (major) bug such as that a highway is missing. I (too) have thought about the clutter that increased use of Notes might (actually somewhat evidently) bring about -- but I think that it's more of a filtering and classification problem. I hope that we'll get some possibility to highlight those notes that are more critical than others and perhaps mark also less important ones. Hopefully also query more powerfully notes e.g. viewing or not viewing some users' notes. Or user groups for that matter. Lastly, as you can see (http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes) I have used (and likely to some people's opinion abused) the Notes quite a lot and I have a pretty decent ratio of opened vs. closed notes. .. That is to say that I also put a good amount of time into resolving Map notes (both my own and others'). This said, I encourage you too to use the notes a bit more as they are an absolutely wonderful way of making, well, notes on what things are not quite how they should be in OSM while moving around. If you are using an Android device I very warmly recommend OsmAnd's editing plugin as that makes adding, commenting and also closing notes a breeze (albeit closing them makes more sense through a proper editor). The editing plugin also makes adding POIs directly through mobile quite simple (which I mostly use for objects that don't need to be integrated into other OSM data, e.g. traffic lights must be integrated, of course). As a sort of last thought on the topic: Since I started using the Map notes more through OsmAnd I've probably added a few hundred traffic lights to the map in Nicaragua, Miami, DC, Brussels, and Malaga area. Without using notes I wouldn't have added more than a few handfuls. I think this is very clearly in the best interest of the OpenStreetMap, eih? Thanks again for your message. I'll get to fixing my other Malaga area Notes hopefully sooner than later
Re: [OSM-talk] New ITO electricity distribution map
This is very nice improvement! I'm happy to see that even my rather spotty/patchy mapping of power infra in Haiti is finally being visualized/rendered in a way that it starts to demonstrate the usefulness of OSM as power mapping platform for also those that don't use the data (in separate applications). This will hopefully help to advocate for the use of OSM. Now, I too would like to make a suggestion: Accented characters don't seem to get rendered at all in place name labels. See e.g. http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=-72.27848lat=18.51272zoom=16open_sidebar=map_keyfullscreen=truewhere Pétionville is rendered as Ptionville (almost center, slightly to the left), Tête de l'eau is Tte de l'eau (center bottom) and Péguy-Ville is Pguy-Ville (right center). Can someone pass this onwards / what would be the address / who would be the person to send improvement suggestions (also in the future)? Thanks to all who've worked on this! -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2014-04-30 14:20, Janko Mihelić wrote: Where do I add my suggestions? Same for me. I don't like that the background map is so invisible, that the city labels that do get generated seem to be generated at all zoom levels (which is really bad at low zoom) and that they can't cope with diacritics. And, are there no 300-350 kV lines or is it the color difference that is to small that I don't see them? Regards, Maarten 2014-04-30 13:49 GMT+02:00 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: Hi, ITOWorld power communication maps have been updated and are now online, as a result of the feedback I gave to their support team. Electricity Distribution map is now almost complete. http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=2.51848lat=48.80986zoom= 10open_sidebar=map_keyfullscreen=true [1] The main point was to deal with power substation inside stuff and pole hosted features. http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=5.80635lat=46.05588zoom= 17fullscreen=true [2] http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=6.19542lat=46.07335zoom= 14fullscreen=true [3] The map appearance will continuously be improved as long as proposals get accepted. Almost all mapped power=* features can be seen worldwide on this map, even if it's not always the case (and doesn't have to be) on the main slippy map. I want to thank them for time and resources investment. Everyone contribution get a lot of value through it. Cheers, FRANÇOIS LACOMBE francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com [4] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk [5] Links: -- [1] http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=2.51848amp;lat=48.80986; amp;zoom=10amp;open_sidebar=map_keyamp;fullscreen=truehttp://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=2.51848lat=48.80986zoom=10open_sidebar=map_keyfullscreen=true [2] http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=5.80635amp;lat=46.05588; amp;zoom=17amp;fullscreen=truehttp://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=5.80635lat=46.05588zoom=17fullscreen=true [3] http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=6.19542amp;lat=46.07335; amp;zoom=14amp;fullscreen=truehttp://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=6.19542lat=46.07335zoom=14fullscreen=true [4] http://www.infos-reseaux.com [5] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement of the release of a new set of POI icons
re: license: The original SJJB icons as well as the icons newly designed are provided under the CC-0 license and therefore can be used for any commercial or non commercial mapping application. (...) Some of the icons I found in the OSM wiki have another license. Please respect that. http://osm-icons.org/wiki/Icons#License_of_the_icons -J -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM, wn reader wnrea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, what license are the icons? also cc-0 as SJJB? Marc Markus Semm schrieb: Hi all, a set of more than 1000 POI icons for OSM maps and OSM editors has been released today. The main purpose of this icon set is a) covering all OSM POI tags with at least 1000 occurrences according to TAGINFO b) provision of the most common key-value combinations for each icon c) assignment of each icon to one or multiple map feature groups This icon set can be used for the following purposes: a) integration into existing or future OSM editors b) to display POIs on any OSM map My hope is receiving some feedback from the community in order to further improve this icon set including the related metadata. The icon set can be downloaded here: http://osm-icons.org Thank you very much in advance for your feedback! Cheers Markus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] [OSM-NI] Resume the Night of the living maps
Hi all, The 22nd would be excellent for us in Nicaragua since we have a mapping party that day. Adding the #notlm on top of that would be good both because we're at GMT-6 and because it would give us a nice reason to continue the mapping party to a nice mapathon. It's also nice that it coincides with other open data / coding events. -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Óscar Zorrilla Alonso oscar_zorri...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Community, I agree that the day 22 of February could be a great day to resume the event. In Spain we have an activity in Cordoba that weekend, probably we'll try to organized more activities. Ideas for mapping: - Closed bugs in openstreetbugs as much as possible and later notes in OSM. - People of Brazil asked to mapped the football stadiums for Brazil 2014 and For night living map queremos mapear estradas na amazonia, para ajudar o combate a defloresração. São 5 areas hotspot de desmatamento. - Nicaragua, Bolivia, ... - Whatever you want... On the other hand great job of Pascal Neis with his latest web. At the end, I agree with Pierre to used the wiki pages. Oscar (user: cronoser) @oscarzor @osmburgos --- Mensaje Original --- Desde: Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr Enviado: 5 de febrero de 2014 15:00 Para: Eduardo Mayorga Téllez e...@mayorgalinux.com, talk...@openstreetmap.org, talk@openstreetmap.org, h...@openstreetmap.org Cc: Pascal Neis pas...@neis-one.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] [OSM-NI] Resume the Night of the living maps Hi Eduardo, Great thanks to Pascal Neis who created a new Contributor statistic page where we can follow with a hashtag contributor participation to various events like we did for the Philippines Typhoon. Pascal describes this service at http://neis-one.org/2014/02/osm-changesets/ For the Night of the Living Maps, with the hahstag #notlm, the link resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=notlm would let us follow the progress over the map, including statistics of participation. But there is not much time to organize this event and only one response so far. If more groups want to organize events in different cities, we could reproduce the content of the wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Night_of_the_living_maps and add over a map the various places to map. Links to Task Manager jobs would orient the various contributors that want to participate. Your suggestion for Nicaragua is interesting since this area is actually mostly blank on the map. It would be easy to find similar places around the world if other groups want to participate. Pierre -- *De :* Eduardo Mayorga Téllez e...@mayorgalinux.com *À :* talk...@openstreetmap.org; talk@openstreetmap.org; h...@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 4 février 2014 18h43 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] [OSM-NI] [OSM-talk] Resume the Night of the living maps On 2014-01-30 18:03, Pierre Béland wrote: I also think that this is a fantastic proposition. What do you think if we would try to cover various parts of the world that are neglected in OSM. We could prepare a serie of Tasks in the Task Manager and invite people to contribute to these in this 24 hours. This way, we would see the progress and the participation. And why not, Pascal Neis could prepare a Statistic page to follow this ? :) I added some small villages on Nicaraguan North Atlantic Coast http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20383217 They may be adequate places to map using Bing imagery. There are a lot of rivers and roads/tracks unmapped in this area. I will be able to connect to Mumble server if any Spanish speaker (or even English speakers) needs some guidance. Kind regards. ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why Openstreetmap? (Slashdot and Guardian)
Someone has made a Spanish translation of this (can't remember who). The Spanish version is republished at the OSM Nicaragua blog http://blog.mapanica.net (thanks to Felix Delattre). Have other translations surfaced? Do we have a wiki page for notable mentions of OSM in the media? (on mobile / on the go now, can't check) Cheers, -Jaakko -- Sent from my Android device. * +505-8845-3391 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Jan 30, 2014 1:15 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2014-01-30 08:05, Shai Efrati wrote: Thanks! can you please add the links? Completely forgot. *bumps head* http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/29/2128206/why-we- need-openstreetmap-video http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/14/why- the-world-needs-openstreetmap Regards, Maarten Shai. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Two nice articles on /. and in the Guardian from/with Serge Wroclawski about OSM and why you would want to use it. Regards, Maarten (just preaching to the choir) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk [1] Links: -- [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Resume the Night of the living maps
¡Hola Óscar! I'm interested and will definitely join the #notlm! I am passing this forward to my fellow HOTties and Nicaragua mappers to see who else from these (sub)communities would be interested to join. As for the Nicaragua mapping party that was mentioned in the email to talk-es, it seems that we're having the mapping party on February 22. However, I've checked that it's ok that we can use our regular base for OSM activities here in Managua also for #notlm. Has there been any discussion on what could be possible target projects or mapping areas for the night? I'd go a step ahead to that and welcome participation to both our OSM Nica efforts to get the mapping of Nicaragua ahead more broadly (there are still a number of towns and a whole bunch of villages completely mapped) and of course participate in tracing HOT's Task Manager jobs for humanitarian mapping. .. For anyone who'll be participating and hasn't used the Tasking Manager I'll be happy to provide remote guidance. I'd also like to suggest a joint voice (+text) hangout for the event using the wonderful Mumble system that HOT has been testing with good results. It's installed on a HOT server and can be accessed with instructions available here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble . I'll be happy to support those that need help getting started with Mumble and my fellow (native Spanish) Nica mapper Eduardo mayorgatellezhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mayorgatellez can help anyone who prefers help in Spanish. Look forward to this! Saludos de Managua, -Jaakko -- Sent from my Android device. * +505-8845-3391 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Jan 30, 2014 3:04 PM, Óscar Zorrilla Alonso oscar_zorri...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello community, Since a few weeks, the people of Burgos-Spain (@osmburgos) and Cochabamba-Bolivia (@osmcbba) we had in mind to organize a virtual global party. We remember about the Night of the Living Maps https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-January/061793.htmland we would like to resume the event two years later. The day 07/Feb/2014 is Friday so we can stay midnight or later in front of the screen ;-) We explained our idea at the spanish list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2014-January/012122.htmland we would like to know what do you think about this idea before launch it. It would be a great opportunity to promote OSM. If you are agreed with it, a good hashtag would be like the another time: #notlm At the end of all excuse me if I don't express well myself in English. Bye, Oscar (user: cronoser) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Resume the Night of the living maps
Sounds great! -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: I also think that this is a fantastic proposition. What do you think if we would try to cover various parts of the world that are neglected in OSM. We could prepare a serie of Tasks in the Task Manager and invite people to contribute to these in this 24 hours. This way, we would see the progress and the participation. And why not, Pascal Neis could prepare a Statistic page to follow this ? :) Pierre -- *De :* Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com *À :* Óscar Zorrilla Alonso oscar_zorri...@hotmail.com *Cc :* talk-ni talk...@openstreetmap.org; Talk@OSM talk@openstreetmap.org; HOT@OSM, (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) h...@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 30 janvier 2014 18h38 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Resume the Night of the living maps ¡Hola Óscar! I'm interested and will definitely join the #notlm! I am passing this forward to my fellow HOTties and Nicaragua mappers to see who else from these (sub)communities would be interested to join. As for the Nicaragua mapping party that was mentioned in the email to talk-es, it seems that we're having the mapping party on February 22. However, I've checked that it's ok that we can use our regular base for OSM activities here in Managua also for #notlm. Has there been any discussion on what could be possible target projects or mapping areas for the night? I'd go a step ahead to that and welcome participation to both our OSM Nica efforts to get the mapping of Nicaragua ahead more broadly (there are still a number of towns and a whole bunch of villages completely mapped) and of course participate in tracing HOT's Task Manager jobs for humanitarian mapping. .. For anyone who'll be participating and hasn't used the Tasking Manager I'll be happy to provide remote guidance. I'd also like to suggest a joint voice (+text) hangout for the event using the wonderful Mumble system that HOT has been testing with good results. It's installed on a HOT server and can be accessed with instructions available here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble . I'll be happy to support those that need help getting started with Mumble and my fellow (native Spanish) Nica mapper Eduardo mayorgatellezhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mayorgatellez can help anyone who prefers help in Spanish. Look forward to this! Saludos de Managua, -Jaakko -- Sent from my Android device. * +505-8845-3391 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Jan 30, 2014 3:04 PM, Óscar Zorrilla Alonso oscar_zorri...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello community, Since a few weeks, the people of Burgos-Spain (@osmburgos) and Cochabamba-Bolivia (@osmcbba) we had in mind to organize a virtual global party. We remember about the Night of the Living Maps https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-January/061793.htmland we would like to resume the event two years later. The day 07/Feb/2014 is Friday so we can stay midnight or later in front of the screen ;-) We explained our idea at the spanish list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2014-January/012122.htmland we would like to know what do you think about this idea before launch it. It would be a great opportunity to promote OSM. If you are agreed with it, a good hashtag would be like the another time: #notlm At the end of all excuse me if I don't express well myself in English. Bye, Oscar (user: cronoser) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Can I use OpenStreetMaps for my case?
Matej, You'll probably get more thorough answers from others -- or link(s) to page(s) that explain this in detail. .. But in short: Mixing data and license: If you are only using an OSM data derived map layer as a background map that you don't allow your users to e.g. geo-tag objects and you're only plotting data (with coordinates from something else than OSM) from your database then you are not mixing data and you can license your db in what ever way you want. On tile usage: OSM.org (and most free OSM sources) have limiting tile usage policy (for obvious reasons). Last time I read/heard MapQuest's OSM tiles are more liberal. I don't see explicit note on the topic on their page about their OSM tiles (http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/map). Someone might know better -- or your can read for your self with better time to see if you can find this info. You might also want to consider commercial tiles. They are really not expensive -- and it's the right thing to do (if you exceed the usage policy limits). There are numerous providers available from companies that you can handle everything without a need to send an email or talk with anyone (such as Cloudmade and Mapbox) to various individual OSM consultants and companies that can meet your tile needs (thinking of Andy Allan / Thunderforesthttp://www.thunderforest.com/and Frederik Ramm / Geofabrik http://www.geofabrik.de/ but there are many morehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Commercial_OSM_Software_and_Services ). I've used Mapbox both for creating maps and using tiles and have been very happy with the $5/month that I've paid. For what it's worth, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Matej Mihalech matejmihal...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi all! Can I use your maps for my map-based website with leaflet? It is a drupal website for everyone, also for companies, NGO and common people with database filled by these users. I'm not sure with this: a) Website is visited by a lot of users at the same time - for example I have found that I can't use tiles on my website 'cause there are limits for bandwidth (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy). But are there also any other limits for simple map with leaflet? (Website uses more than one OSM website) b) My DB filled by users and my drupal website is my property and I don't want to publish it with some of open source license (I somewhere on your website read that my whole product should be published with this license). Is it true or am I mistaken? Sorry for this, but I am a little bit confused. Thank you in advance for your answer. Best wishes Matej ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Long tail challenges - was: Re: Bitcoin Spam
Hi Fred and others interested, I respectfully disagree that the disagree example items would be (blatant) spam. They are clearly all missing what I call a primary (classifying) tag (shop=* or office=* most likely for all referenced). And there are some tagging mistakes too on existing tags. Like using note for what seems to be more a description (which is possibly a problem of the coin map documentation?). And perhaps we should have better documentation / stated policy on adjectives / tone of the description tag? These hold true. But spam? I don't think so. As for mail (/Internet) order shops I'd think that eg office=mail(/internet)_order_store would always be good - - for their physical office, that is. I would only consider it spam if it doesn't actually exist in reality or perhaps if it is grossly misplaced (to the extent that it is clear that no one even tried to place it right. Overall, I think this is probably more an issue of how we should handle a growing low end of a long tail in OSM contributions. There is no reason that we could and should not see this as a positive problem /challenge. Perhaps it could be possible to have a MapRoulette challenge for verifying all lone nodes + only_name_no_main_tag-objects from contributors that have only a few change sets in their edit history? (under 10-50?) Some tools for verifying n00bs' change sets would be great in general (and I still have no clue of coding so I'm useless for actually developing them). This issue also links to previously (from time to time) discussed topic of how to curate beginners' edits, even have some sort of review system for beginners' / other selected users' edits. Anyways. I think that having more people contribute - including people whose main (primary) interest is to add only their business is good (when not done in bad faith, which doesn't seem to be the case in your examples). We just need to figure out how to provide targeted support, quite possibly better targeted documentation (in this case probably coin map's job) and how to curate in a targeted manner. Cheers, -Jaakko -- Sent from my Android device. On Dec 3, 2013 5:11 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, we're seeing a rising number of new ways and nodes which seem to be added by people who create an account for just one purpose, namely adding a business to the map. This could be great - if every business were to add themselves to the map, we'd have a nice collection of POIs. However, in the case at hand, it seems that the interest is not to improve OSM but instead we're just a vehicle for people to show up on the coinmap, a business directory for bitcoin-accepting businesses. It seems that a name and payment:bitcoin=yes is sufficient for that site, with an optional advertising slug in the note tag. But for us, not so much. First of all because advertising has no room in OSM; second because many of these businesses seem to be not really on the ground (but just a mail-order place that wants to have some marker somewhere), third because they often don't contain even minimal information that would make them useful to us. I've collected these objects created in the past couple of days here http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/bitcoin.osc A few examples: node id=252007 version=1 timestamp=2013-11-04T17:56:44Z uid=1795331 user=The Tobacco Seed Company changeset=18716456 lat=51.5442768 lon=0.7236584 tag k=name v=The Tobacco Seed Company/ tag k=payment:bitcoin v=yes/ tag k=website v=http://www.tobaccoseed.co.uk/ /node This is blatant advertising for a web site. It doesn't even say what kind of shop this is supposed to be. node id=2523904649 version=1 timestamp=2013-11-08T04:46:05Z uid=1798995 user=mkondratov changeset=18776505 lat=41.4183069 lon=-81.694649 tag k=name v=Noosphere Ltd, Computer Repair/ tag k=note v=Computer Repair Services/ tag k=payment:bitcoin v=yes/ tag k=phone v=1-216-459-1994/ tag k=website v=http://www.noospherecomputers.com/ /node This, too, is little more than a name on our map. We don't usually include the field of business in the name - this should have been expressed through a proper shop tag. node id=2526590372 version=1 timestamp=2013-11-10T15:46:58Z uid=1801179 user=79s VOF changeset=18818705 lat=52.372218 lon=4.8653634 tag k=name v=79s VOF/ tag k=payment:bitcoin v=yes/ tag k=website v=https://store.79s.co/ /node Spam. node id=2537387222 version=1 timestamp=2013-11-18T01:07:54Z uid=1809524 user=webhostpl changeset=18964238 lat=50.0727563 lon=19.8938861 tag k=domeny v=/ tag k=hosting v=/ tag k=name v=Webhost.pl/ tag k=payment:bitcoin v=yes/ tag k=strony internetowe v=/ tag k=website v=http://www.webhost.pl/ /node Broken tagging (quite frequent). node id=2540057545 version=1 timestamp=2013-11-19T18:09:14Z
Re: [OSM-talk] Long tail challenges - was: Re: Bitcoin Spam
Gotcha. I think we're taking mostly about same things... If there's no office or shop (or a warehouse or something tangible, PO box not being enough) there's no space for our in OSM db. I may have over reacted partly because I've both heard of and dealt with a number of people who have found it difficult to add their business location to OSM-talk. And the entries that they've added have often been less or often more crappy - just like the entries of so many new n00bs'. It's also good to remember that business names sometimes do contain what seems to be classifying info (Hotel Astoria, Sydney's Opera house, Catedral de Managua, etc). In any case, perhaps I'm just wanting to ask that we try to assume good faith as much as possible. Our learning curve exists and is doing well, so to say. So, let's try not to scare away new contributors / projects that are driving new contributors. Cheers from undermapped Nicaragua where Foursquare has thus far clearly been much more successful in getting POIs mapped (with decent accuracy) than OSM (because of a range of things of course), -Jaakko -- Sent from my Android device. On Dec 3, 2013 7:02 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 03.12.2013 23:50, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: And perhaps we should have better documentation / stated policy on adjectives / tone of the description tag? Clearly anything in there must be verifiable on the ground. 20 years of experience or satisfaction guaranteed are hardly ;) I would only consider it spam if it doesn't actually exist in reality or perhaps if it is grossly misplaced (to the extent that it is clear that no one even tried to place it right. I'm wary of such POIs where the location may be correct but of no interest. If they are a mail-order firm or a spiritual movement and place a POI at their registered address for the sole purpose of getting their name and telephone number and Facebook URL and Google+ URL and E-Mail and web site into some kind of dictionary, but if you went to the actual location you'd not be able to conduct any business or even find more than a mailbox, then I'd say they shouldn't have a place in OSM. I agree it's a grey area - there might be a restaurant that *only* does delivery and if you go there you can't buy anything. Still, knowing the restaurant is next door might be an interesting information for you if you want food delivered hot. But why should our geo-database have the location of a desk from which someone coordinates food deliveries for people who order something on his web page, a location that is completely irrelevant to the business conducted and just serves as an anchor point for storing addresses and contact information? Anyways. I think that having more people contribute - including people whose main (primary) interest is to add only their business is good Reason I was concerned in this case is that I had the impression that what these people saw as adding their business to Coinmap was not really the same as what we see as adding a business to OpenStreetMap, but piggy-backed process wise. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New contributing agency
This reminds me : Do we have a collection of approved / acceptable texts for the agreement / statement somewhere? The only texts that I have seen (not that I would have looked for examples much) are the HOT templates for data contributions. -Jaakko On Nov 21, 2013 5:22 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: (IMHO naturally) From a content pov, an agreement or a statement from a contributing agency should be based roughly on the terms laid down in the contributor terms ( http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms). They should mainly grant the OSMF the rights listed in (2) and it would be nice if they would make a statement to the fact that they actually own the necessary rights in the data to do so. Simon Am 20.11.2013 20:28, schrieb Fernando Trebien: It's a very similar situation indeed, Jaakko. Here such forms would take years to get processed sometimes, it all depends on the good will of who receives the request. I've noticed that this will is more responsive when the person knows how to answer, or at least knows who to delegate the request to (specially if this person is not a very specialized busy top manager), so simple and easy questions are more effective at getting a clear answer faster. Wish you luck as well! Fernando On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com wrote: Same situation in Nicaragua. Many here say: Oh, it's all public domain! .. where they merely mean, We have it and can give it to you. Or: It's online and no one will protest (immediately at least) if you put it in OSM. The written permission (for which there are existing forms) is critical -- and I'm afraid that you'll likely not get that... Wishing you all the best, of course. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, Simon. You are correct, the LABGEO cartographers I have talked to don't seem to have access to any formal statement (contracts, laws, etc.) that ensures the data is truly public domain as they say. It is also possible that existing written statements would not clearly answer essential questions concerning ODbL compatibility. Considering some other problems (such as uninformed and uninterested Brazilian authorities, and lack of court decisions that would help us interpret the law), I believe that getting them to write down exactly what we need them to agree with would be safer for us and also more productive for us and for them. Since these authorities often erroneously equate public domain with free or open (not even knowing the differences between the two), I believe the questions for them should be: - how they expect their attribution to be visible to end users through OSM; and - whether the data can be used for commercial purposes. I don't know if these questions are enough, so I would like to hear your opinions and suggestions. Finally, we have already studied the data and found the conversion rather easy to do. Importing would probably require some coordinated effort, but for now it is the legal aspect that completely prevents us from beginning. Also, I think it would be fairer if the copyright page included a linked to the wiki page you mentioned, so that all contributors enjoy some similar level of visibility. Regards, Fernando On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Hi Fernando I gather from your questions that they are currently not distributing the data under a (well-)known licence or on any other documented terms? In any case before spending to much effort on trying to nail down the legal side, you really need to clarify if this is suitable data for OSM and if yes, if there is a process that will result in something that is digestible by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at least starting with the steps outlined in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines As to being mentioned on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright , there is no written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past it seems to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in negotiation. Being listed there does not in any way indicate that the contributions are or were more important than contributions from the individuals and organisations listed here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly there is a practical desire to keep the list on the copyright page as short as possible. Down the road we may have better mechanisms to build the attribution pages and then that may change. So for now it would depend on the outcome of any necessary negotiations. Simon Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien: Hello everyone, I've recently contacted
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New contributing agency
Same situation in Nicaragua. Many here say: Oh, it's all public domain! .. where they merely mean, We have it and can give it to you. Or: It's online and no one will protest (immediately at least) if you put it in OSM. The written permission (for which there are existing forms) is critical -- and I'm afraid that you'll likely not get that... Wishing you all the best, of course. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * http://about.me/jaakkoh On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, Simon. You are correct, the LABGEO cartographers I have talked to don't seem to have access to any formal statement (contracts, laws, etc.) that ensures the data is truly public domain as they say. It is also possible that existing written statements would not clearly answer essential questions concerning ODbL compatibility. Considering some other problems (such as uninformed and uninterested Brazilian authorities, and lack of court decisions that would help us interpret the law), I believe that getting them to write down exactly what we need them to agree with would be safer for us and also more productive for us and for them. Since these authorities often erroneously equate public domain with free or open (not even knowing the differences between the two), I believe the questions for them should be: - how they expect their attribution to be visible to end users through OSM; and - whether the data can be used for commercial purposes. I don't know if these questions are enough, so I would like to hear your opinions and suggestions. Finally, we have already studied the data and found the conversion rather easy to do. Importing would probably require some coordinated effort, but for now it is the legal aspect that completely prevents us from beginning. Also, I think it would be fairer if the copyright page included a linked to the wiki page you mentioned, so that all contributors enjoy some similar level of visibility. Regards, Fernando On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Hi Fernando I gather from your questions that they are currently not distributing the data under a (well-)known licence or on any other documented terms? In any case before spending to much effort on trying to nail down the legal side, you really need to clarify if this is suitable data for OSM and if yes, if there is a process that will result in something that is digestible by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at least starting with the steps outlined in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines As to being mentioned on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright , there is no written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past it seems to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in negotiation. Being listed there does not in any way indicate that the contributions are or were more important than contributions from the individuals and organisations listed here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly there is a practical desire to keep the list on the copyright page as short as possible. Down the road we may have better mechanisms to build the attribution pages and then that may change. So for now it would depend on the outcome of any necessary negotiations. Simon Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien: Hello everyone, I've recently contacted an institute (LABGEO) within a public university here in Brazil (UFRGS) and they've shown interest in contributing to OSM their data, which includes roads, land contours, vegetation data, maybe even geological data (it is a pretty extensive database). They would also like to be listed as a contributor here in this page: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Though there may be a few details left to check yet, they've stated so far that the dada is already regularly used for commercial purposes by many Brazilian companies at zero cost. So here's my question: what kind of statement do they have to provide so that they get listed in that page? What questions does the statement need to answer? -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months. (Moore's law) The speed of software halves every 18 months. (Gates' law) ___ legal-talk mailing listlegal-talk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months. (Moore's law) The speed of software halves every 18 months. (Gates' law)
[Talk-ht] OpenStreetMap HOT's work in Haiti featured as Editor's Pick in Medium.com today
Hi all. *cross-posting as this intersects OSM in general, HOT and Haiti.* There's a nice article out today on Medium.com http://j.mp/medium-osmhaiti(featured as Editor's pick) that tells a condensed long story of OSM in Haiti from the project's beginning in London to quake response to mapping TapTaps (the informal bus system of the country) to HOT's work with USAID/OTI in St. Marc and the North. Slightly related to the article: I pieced together some map comparisons highlightling different aspects of OSM vs. other maps in Haiti / in general to a Hackpad (http://j.mp/mapcomparisons ). I realized that I've had many situations where having map comparisons at my fingertips would've been good. I'll be adding selected comparisons to this page over time. All current one's are just live links (no static screenshots). The comparisons are also done with the BBBike.org's modified Geofabrik Mapcomparison tool that has a huge number of different OSM renderings as well as more proprietary map options for comparison (+ the possibility to compare practically(?) as many maps as you want). This multi-comparison option is great! Cheers from Haiti, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/about.me ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
Re: [OSM-talk] Videos of State of the Map US are up!
I've successfully used Miro for downloading videos from Vimeo (and many other video services). It's great. In fact, Miro's practically the only way I've been watching videos in Haiti for nearly three years now. I would recommend it as the best video download/management tool for especially low/varying bandwidth environments -- but great for all as it gives you a local copy library of the videos you've watched (very easily). A very nice thing about Miro is that you can subscribe to a channel such as an account of Vimeo or Youtube and get notified of new videos -- or set Miro to download them automatically. Getmiro.com, open source, available for Windows too. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:56:01 To: Andreas Labresl...@lab.at Cc: talk@openstreetmap.orgtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Videos of State of the Map US are up! I'm fairly sure Vimeo, when you would log in, would allow you to download videos that has permissions set to do so. - Serge On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: On 12.06.13 03:20, Alex Barth wrote: We have just finished video uploads from this weekend’s State of the Map US sessions. Great, thank you! Is there a way to download video files? /al ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Videos of State of the Map US are up!
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Just did a quick search and looked at the Vimeo UI - I couldn't find an option for making a video downloadable. The previous times I've used Miro I was able to get individual videos downloaded simply by opening the File Download from URL window (which will be pre-populated with a URL of the video if you have copied it to your clipboard before opening the window). By simply clicking ok it's worked for me. But I now tried to do the same for one of the SoTMUS videos and Miro couldn't recognize the URL as video nor audio and couldn't start the download. This might be a connection issue as my Net is super shitty right now (and has been giving all sorts of never-seen-this-error-oddity-before issues). I'll try this later with better connection but am interested to hear if others succeed or fail with Miro in downloading the videos. -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/about.me ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-fi] Fwd: [OSM-talk] uMap 0.3.0 released
This might interest some people on these lists (that are not subscribed to talk@ or dev@). I think umap is a much needed missing piece for making it easy to create customized OSM-based my maps. The instances at openstreetmap.fr and fluv.io are great for those of us (Iike me) who are not able to install umap for themselves. Big thanks for Yohan for developing this! Cheers, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/about.me -- Forwarded message -- From: Yohan Boniface yohanbonif...@free.fr Date: Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:58 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] uMap 0.3.0 released To: OSM talk t...@openstreetmap.org, d...@openstreetmap.org Hi open world family, I've frozen a 0.3.0 version of uMap [1] (including new versions of the Leaflet plugin [2] and the Django app [3]). Here are the main entries of the changelog: * possibility to create map without being authenticated This option has to be activated per uMap instance (at the moment, it's active on http://umap.fluv.io but not on http://umap.openstreetmap.fr for example). Once the map created anonymously, a cookie allow the owner to edit it later, and a secret edit URL is provided, that allow to enter the edit mode again, from another computer or if the cookie is lost * first version of an export data possibility ; for now, only GeoJSON is available. * first version of import from CSV * autocompletion for managing map editors * possibility to display map caption on load * possibility to import from a copy/paste in a textarea * Update to Leaflet 0.6 and Leaflet.draw 0.2 * Update to Django 1.5 * Portuguese translation (thanks to @FranciscoDS) * new custom icons * localization of URLs * partial Spanish and Dutch translations * bug fixes as usual (title too longs creating a buggy slug; category colors not displayed in caption/credit box; managing color buggy in Chrome on windows...) Current known public instances: - http://umap.fluv.io (demo site, not backuped, use it for testing) - http://umap.openstreetmap.fr (backuped, feel free to use it for production needs) - http://umap.openstreetmap.org.**ar http://umap.openstreetmap.org.ar(still in 0.2.0 at the moment) If you plan to set up an instance, feel free to ask for help, I will provide it with pleasure :) As always: - feedback welcome - feature requests welcome - pull requests welcome - translations welcome - new instances welcome (the more instances, the less centralization, the better) Thanks for your feedback, Yohan [1] https://bitbucket.org/**yohanboniface/umaphttps://bitbucket.org/yohanboniface/umap [2] https://github.com/**yohanboniface/Leaflet.Storagehttps://github.com/yohanboniface/Leaflet.Storage [3] https://github.com/**yohanboniface/django-leaflet-**storagehttps://github.com/yohanboniface/django-leaflet-storage __**_ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk-fi mailing list talk-fi@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fi
Re: [OSM-talk] List: Densely Mapped Areas
Interesting in any case. .. And it should be easy to adjust the denseness of the mapping on the tiles vs latitude. .. Possible to see such update (if not already done)? Cheers, -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Christoph Hormann To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] List: Densely Mapped Areas Sent: May 24, 2013 11:30 By the way you do realize that Cameroon and other equatorial areas have a significant advantage to higher latitudes in this measurement. So it might be prudent to not only say 'FSVO mapped' but also 'FSVO densely'. In a quick estimate the area scale ratio between Cameroon and France is about 2 so it could be that Bordeaux beats Yaounde in real world node density. :-) -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hong Kong Wikimania maps
http://Umap.openstreetmap.fr (from http://umap.fluv.io) is the best Open choice IMO. Creates much more sensible URLs, too. I CCd Yohan, the developer. But they shouldn't really need his or anyone's help to do what they need for this. Cheers, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 21:36:05 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Hong Kong Wikimania maps Wikimania is being held in Hong Kong in August. They currently have a Google Map with the important PoIs here: https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200955753921436397974.0004bda3a4e6517fb7561msa=0ll=22.300533,114.181124spn=0.025412,0.032315 They also have a link to a Google Map showing the train route to get from the dorm to the venue here: http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=5+Baptist+University+Rd,+Kowloon+Tong,+Hong+Kongdaddr=22.304907,114.180477hl=ensll=22.320779,114.179814sspn=0.050816,0.063858geocode=FYfPVAEdkEnOBikBf4J9LgcENDGKObzuUQPt4w%3Bt=vdirflg=rttype=nownoexp=0noal=0sort=defmra=lsz=14start=0 The page with these links is here: https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation#Hong_Kong_Baptist_University_dorm I spoke to one of the organisers, and he said that if we have a way to represent this information on OSM, they'd be happy to switch. What would you suggest? Thanks, -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +27718539985 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: OSM place name data from Turkey
Version 1 would seem to imply not moved, or am I mixing something up? I understood it so that the version 1s might well be already moved as part of the import process. This is at least what has been done in Haiti when importing place names and peaks and other objects from the US military topo maps. If it would turn out that the names of them wouldn't be public domain (which they are) I would certainly not want to loose the place= and natural=peak tags as it's taken a good amount of work to figure out their locations. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:51:37 To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: OSM place name data from Turkey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Not quite sure what Werner wanted to convey with the info about the shape and numbers of the long tail of OSM (perhaps nothing more than the numbers). Anyways, I'd just want to say that the tiny 0.1% of the data might well be a huge number of otherwise missing POIs, place or road names or other map features' details, tiny corrections to roads, etc. It's also likely a thing that has made 100+k people love OSM just a bit more. Suddenly 0.1% isn't that small anymore. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:37:22 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ? Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). I think the quotet 22 are those mappers that still own an active osm object. (last editor). Is there (or could there be?) a graph of contributions against number of u-el-? Might be interesting also to see whether the number of users on zero is vastly different to the number of users on one edit, two edits etc. http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/osmchecks/03_Statistik/planet/statistic.html statistic based only on the last editors. about 25000 Users only own a single node. 90% of all ways and nodes are last edited by about 7000 users. 99% by about 3 users. -- 9% of data, 23000 users 99.9% 8 Users -- 0.9% of data, 5 users and the rest: -- 0.1% of data, 14 users Regards Werner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?
Re: the topic in general: People against the boundaries: Please understand that they are considered highly useful in some areas and situations. For Hispanola (Haiti + Dominican Republic) the boundaries are maintained and used; pls don't mess around with them. I've also maintained the boundaries for some of the Central American countries and they are very helpful in mapping in the area. The above noted, deletions to the above noted boundaries will directly negatively impact mapping activities and piss off active contributors in the area. (I've also added imagery boundaries -- and have mapped or planned to map -- in at least Finland, Sweden, Spain, Senegal, Rwanda, and some other African countries. Messing up those boundaries may also have a negative impact to mapping.) Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:56:16 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Out of Service Roads
Ah, +1 for just removing the highway tag adding a note on weather damage. There's been similar discussion regarding demolished/collapsed buildings that still show in imagery. I've used was:building=collapsed/demolished IIRC on some of such cases -- after having had the experience of some people adding from imagery once removed buildings. I'd also add that I think it's a very good idea to make sure that you make sure that _some_ detour is mapped if you completely take out a piece of major road to avoid breaking routing. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:57:24 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Out of Service Roads Clifford Snow schrieb: How do you tag roads that are out of service. We have a section of Widbey Island that was wiped out by a landslide. It will be out of service for some time. If you re-tag it some other way, you should also tag it with a note explaining that it's wiped out by a landslide. If you think of removing the section of that way completely, it might even be worth to instead just remove the highway tag and add that note tag. There are cases where people see the map, think I thought there was a road? and then end up re-mapping it using some satellite or aerial imagery where it's (still) visible. Doing the note makes it less likely they do something like that. Robert Kaiser ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Out of Service Roads
In Haiti we've usually taken a pretty clear map-it-as-it-is-on-the-ground approach. * storm wipes out a bridge -- the bridge is deleted until a new is built. * a road is damaged so severly that you can only walk it -- it's a path until fixed * a slightly minor damage to the road requires a 4x4 or tractor to drive it -- it's probably downgraded to a track 'till fixed. As always, one has to think if the damage (=change in the map) is long-term enough to justify mapping it vs. How severe the damage (/change) is / how significantly it impacts map (/data) usage, etc. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:29:29 To: Talk Openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Out of Service Roads ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Updated Geofabrik Download Server
Thanks in general for these updates and MD5 sums are now supported, as are regional daily diffs BIG THANKS! -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:11:58 To: Talk Openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Updated Geofabrik Download Server Hi, I've made some updates to the download server at download.geofabrik.de. You'll now get a map preview of the are you're downloading, and if you have a very slow internet connection you will value the fact that you can now expliticly download something like europe-130310.osm.pbf instead of always using -latest - that way you can be sure the file won't be removed from under your feet while you're downloading it. MD5 sums are now supported, as are regional daily diffs - it should now be very easy to keep an updated extract for your region of interest using just Osmosis and minimal daily downloads. The URLs have changed slightly but redirects are in place so that old links should still work: * leading /openstreetmap/ has gone * -latest introduced before file extension * underscores replaced by hyphens i.e. instead of /openstreetmap/europe/great_britain.osm.pbf it is now /europe/great-britain-latest.osm.pbf Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
amenity=music_venue + music_venue=concert_hall/music_club/opera_house/? Now, how should restaurants that e.g. have live music every night (and host touring artists, too) be tagged? Should tags such as bar=yes or/and restaurant=yes be added where appropriate? Cheers, -Jaakko .. Who hasn't formed a solid opinion nor read all documentation on tagging multi-feature venues but who often adds bar/restaurant/atm/swimming_pool/etc=yes tag when they are available in a facility. Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:11:11 To: Floris Looijesteijno...@floris.nu Cc: OSM Talktalk@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues 2013/2/25 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I looked at my local music_venue and it was tagged as leisure=music_venue Leisure seems to have slightly more (62) than amenity (56) at the moment. which is both not really established ;-) I don't really care which one is used but they're probably the same so we should choose one. if they're the same I'd prefer amenity (as it's more neutral). Interestingly both variants are proposed on the same page since 2007: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Music_venue There is also this proposal for a venue that could have been of interest in this context, but is currently not used at all: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Musicclub cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Tagging Live indoor music venues
amenity=music_venue + music_venue=concert_hall/music_club/opera_house/? Now, how should restaurants that e.g. have live music every night (and host touring artists, too) be tagged? Should tags such as bar=yes or/and restaurant=yes be added where appropriate? Cheers, -Jaakko .. Who hasn't formed a solid opinion nor read all documentation on tagging multi-feature venues but who often adds bar/restaurant/atm/swimming_pool/etc=yes tag when they are available in a facility. Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:11:11 To: Floris Looijesteijno...@floris.nu Cc: OSM Talkt...@openstreetmap.org; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues 2013/2/25 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I looked at my local music_venue and it was tagged as leisure=music_venue Leisure seems to have slightly more (62) than amenity (56) at the moment. which is both not really established ;-) I don't really care which one is used but they're probably the same so we should choose one. if they're the same I'd prefer amenity (as it's more neutral). Interestingly both variants are proposed on the same page since 2007: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Music_venue There is also this proposal for a venue that could have been of interest in this context, but is currently not used at all: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Musicclub cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
Whoops, sorry. It says editor quite clearly.. Should read emails b4 replying... From the go, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:34:15 To: Jeff Meyerj...@gwhat.org Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org; talk-au@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talktalk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing Listt...@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Japanese talktalk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
Could someone kindly tell if this is anything that could be recommended for general map viewing and/or navigation use (by non-geeks)? Is there offline mode? With vector rendering? How does it compare to OsmAnd (on Android)? I'm not an iOS person but get increasingly many questions about an iOS app for OSM. Thanks, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:47:14 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
Whoops, sorry. It says editor quite clearly.. Should read emails b4 replying... From the go, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:34:15 To: Jeff Meyerj...@gwhat.org Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talktalk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing Listtalk@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Japanese talktalk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-ja] [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
Whoops, sorry. It says editor quite clearly.. Should read emails b4 replying... From the go, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:34:15 To: Jeff Meyerj...@gwhat.org Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talktalk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing Listt...@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Japanese talktalk-ja@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
Whoops, sorry. It says editor quite clearly.. Should read emails b4 replying... From the go, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:34:15 To: Jeff Meyerj...@gwhat.org Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talktalk-us@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing Listt...@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Japanese talktalk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ht] Haiti.
Hi Shawn, Having mapped Haiti for bit over three years now and living here for nearly two and a half, working with different geo/mapping projects I very much agree that -- and have been thinking a lot about -- figuring out how to highlight the good things that are happening here. There are some initiatives/services that work in this field but I'll leave a commentary of the scene to a separate message as I'd want to get the bigger picture (as I see it) articulated sufficiently well. Coincidentally I just downloaded a few days ago all POIs of OSM Haiti (using XAPI of an OSM mirror). It's only a 17MB (.osm) file which I have made available here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dqzni0tr0o4h8g/Haiti%20POI%20Map%20v0.01.osm if you want to take a look. ... Please note that this is a _live_ .osm file and any adjustments, additions or deletions you do to it would be applied to the live OSM database if you upload it (in JOSM or any other editor). Talking of barber shops in specific: I like the idea ... and might actually be able to get permission to add to OSM at least some chunk of geo-coded barber shop locations around the country. .. Gotta see if that's possible. I'd suggest that we continue this thread on talk-ht@ (unless there are aspects that keep this relevant to talk@). Dunno how to set reply-to in Gmail on single messages, though.. I'll get back to this on my behalf with more thoughts in a few days. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/about.me On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hi Shawn, There is an active OpenStreetMap community in Haiti. (Some of them read this list). I've cc'd that list if you'd like to get involved there is probably the best place. Last year there was a project in St. Marc that might be of interest: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2012-06-24_return_to_the_training_in_saint_marc_haiti_mixing_generic_and_specific_teaching_a http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2012-04-24_coming_to_a_close_in_saint_marc Best, -Kate On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Shawn Dash sdash1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear OpenStreetMap friends of Haiti: A few days ago headlines about Haiti were all about the 3-year earthquake anniversary. Is that really all Haiti is?! I love telling my friends that there are many businesses in Haiti and that the country actually is flourishing.And, again, people just do not believe. I am thinking that it would be really wonderful to create a map of the small businesses in Haiti -- to show and prove that it is not just tents and cholera. Let's begin a conversation about how life goes on in Haiti, how the county is living and breathing, and how Haiti is actually standing on it's own and moving forward. The headlines about Haiti should be the beauty and the life, not the destruction and the aid! I tried to find a map of small businesses in Haiti -- and all I could find was something in Foursquare that's nice, but it is mainly in the richer areas and it is more about night-clubs and drinking and not really the small businesses. I think it would be really interesting to GPS tag as many barbershops in Haiti as possible, since, the barbershop -- in it's own way -- is a sign that life goes on in Haiti, and that there is indeed a local economy. As we both know, there's thousands of barbershops, everywhere, even in containers! I am wondering if, as you are geo-mapping and geo-tagging, if there is anyway to start a project show I can show my friends that Haiti is not just disease and famine -- there is very much a living life, too! What do you think? Thank you! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ht mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik at zoom=19
Big hand to OSM.fr for offering the z19! I've asked about this need before and will now just +1 the need for this also at osm.org. I would also welcome z20 -- perhaps with some request base limits (requested urban areas -- possibility to handle in more or less similar fashion as Mike does the http://metro.teczno.com/ extracts through Git? ... Perhaps ideally with some calculation on density of POI(?)-type objects? But I would say in any case that the reality as I see it builds increasing need for very high zoom levels. ... I recently switched to OsmAnd on my Android because it zooms upto level 23 -- and I now use z20 and z21 on a regular basis. ... E.g. these objects http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=19lat=18.51517lon=-72.28894layers=Bshow names of all POIs only at z22. .. And this is not even very densely mapped! .. Perhaps this is a difference between The North and The South? Cheers from Haiti, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/about.me On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.frwrote: You can see what zoom level 19 looks like with Mapnik/cartocss style on http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=19lat=48.87206lon=2.30069layers=B 2013/1/13 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Hi, On 13.01.2013 21:23, Gervase Markham wrote: Did we ever do z=19? To my knowledge, no. Did we stop because it's a load more disk space, or something like that? If not, could we consider it? Given that very few areas are going to be even looked at at z19 I suspect the additional disk space used would not amount to much. But the style sheet we're currently using doesn't lend itself well to extension beyond z18, it would require some tweaking. Nothing big though. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik at zoom=19
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: If mappers in Europe and North America think that z18 doesn't show enough detail, then imagine what it must be like for mappers who are located nearer to the equator. Because of the Mercator projection we use, higher latitudes have a larger scale than places near the equator. Interesting. Didn't come to think of the scale but referred to the North / South difference meaning that in Germany/Finland/USA/etc there usually is at least 10m between two POIs where as in Haiti and a huge number of other counties in the South there isn't necessarily even 5. ... The scale issue makes it even more obvious that especially in the South there is a clear need for higher zoom levels. -Jaakko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map even more flexible...
A comment and a thought/Q: * As noted here before, Deleting the browser cache solves problems of name tags not showing (for me too, that is) * Would be even more neat if there was a way to also get loc_name, alt_name, old_name, int_name in the list of alternatives But in any case / even as is: a Great service! .. I hope it will stay up until it gets integrated into osm.org or some other main stream OSM service. Cheers, -Jaakko On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:32:04AM -0500, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: .. Any ideas why ht,fi,sv,en,fr,es,it,int,_|loc ( http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=8lat=18.69725lon=-71.80389layers=B0Tlang=ht%2Cfi%2Csv%2Cen%2Cfr%2Ces%2Cit%2Cint%2C_%7Cloc ) is not showing any names? It works for me. Try deleting your browser cache and reload. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What to call OSM data?
On these lines my one-liner for OSM is that it is A project to create the best community-produced Open Geo Data set of the whole world of any (verifiable) physical object (and some non-physical data, too). So, my key points in that are: 1) Open Geodata 2) of all data, _integrated_ (no layers, at least yet; carries the centuries/millenia old tradition of handicraft vs. automation) 3) to which any and everyone is equally welcome to contribute to (with equal weight - meritocracy); with any appropriate data source, including gov data Cheers, -Jaakko -- Sent from my mobile. Excuse my brevity and/or typos. P.S. While on the go, SMS reaches me fastest. On Nov 26, 2012 9:19 AM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies for bringing up imports on the list. At least I didn't mention the license change though! ;) That's not wrong either, but not precise enough to distinguish a project such as OSM from e.g. governments' Open Data efforts. Continuing to play Devil's Advocate, I think this is just an issue of imagination scope: Why do we need to distinguish OSM from governments' Open Data efforts? Does that bring us any benefit? Are you trying to highlight a difference of scale or is there one type of Open that's different from some other Open? I'd like to imagine a future scenario in which a country's National Mapping Agency decides that OSM is going to be the official source of geographic data. As an NMA contributes and maintains data within OSM, the crowdsourced argument becomes weaker and the Open word becomes more important. Cheers, Joseph On 26 November 2012 13:43, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: On 26.11.2012 14:06, Joseph Reeves wrote: Playing Devil's Advocate, crowdsourced isn't appropriate for large swathes of OSM data: Europe, for example, is dominated by imported, not crowdsourced, CORINE data. I don't believe that Europe is dominated by CORINE data. Several European countries never imported CORINE, and elsewhere most of the work would still consist of roads and other non-landuse data. Also consider that imports today almost necessarily have to be performed with manual interaction (to avoid duplicates and so on) and by various individuals. So even when imports take place, they are done in a crowdsourced manner. So I think crowdsourced is the most appropriate term that is still meaningful. I'd describe OSM data simply as open. That's not wrong either, but not precise enough to distinguish a project such as OSM from e.g. governments' Open Data efforts. That's because it overlaps with open licensing, which I assume will be stored separately in metadata, and various other associations of the term. Tobias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Walking papers down
It's a bit different in a number of ways. I would summarize the difference (based on checking both out some time ago, things may have changed) by saying that: * Field Papers gives you space to write on * Walking Papers allows smoother printing of multi page prints (2x2, 4x4). Field papers seem to use the same system for scans, so those should work. I haven't checked Field Papers in detail, which might be why I like WP more. I hope it comes back online. Btw. Also MapOSMatic has been down for a while. Anyone know how it might be possible to help resurrect that? Cheers, -Jaakko On Nov 19, 2012 9:58 AM, Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 November 2012 16:41, hbogner hbog...@gmail.com wrote: On 19.11.2012. 15:31, Sébastien Pierrel wrote: Hi list, I've just noticed that the walking-papers website is down. Are the admins/maintainers aware of this? How to get in touch with them? Try http://fieldpapers.org/ It's new wersion of walking papers. Thanks for the info. What's changed with the new version? Only a new name? Is it a completely new instance where my accounts and prints from WP won't work? Cheers, Seb. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Question on undelete/restore
Do you have .osm extracts for the area? A slice from an old regional extract (or a planet for that matter) would give you the old data. What area is this? Cheers, -Jaakko On Nov 19, 2012 3:11 PM, Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, using OSM inspector's coastline view I came across a rather large missing segement of the coastline. It turned out that a new user has accidentially deleted it. He agreed to revert the change and I volunteered to take care of it. As it turns out the changeset (13910261) included more changes to roads etc.- 92 ways overall - so reverting would include more than just the coastline. To make things even worse there are also some following, conflicting changesets. So using the reverter plugin causes quite a number of conflicts that I have a hard time to resolve. But just to make sure I have contacted the user again because it sounded like he wouldn't mind to revert all changs. But the answer is still pending due to different time zones. So I tried to only undelete the way for the coastline using the undelete plugin. Trying to do so gives an error on upload as the way references deleted nodes. Sounds reasonable but doesn't really help. Any suggestion how to best get this fixed again? BTW re-mapping the coastline from Bing is not an option due to clouds... Thanks, Michael __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] China's maps to be closely monitored for more accuracy - China Daily
So, entering China with any GPS-capable phones is then a bit like entering the USAID HQ office (and I assume similarly a number of other gov offices) a few years back when they didn't allow any cameras into the building -- please leave all your BlackBerries and other smartphones with cameras here upon entering -- we'llk give them back to you when you leave. This time just due to the GPS. Gr8. -Jaakko On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.dewrote: On 19.10.2012 15:22, Christian Quest wrote: Next SOTM in China ? You want ho hold a free conference in a non free country with strange rules for GPS and Geo-issues? Just to remember: the FOSS4G 2012 Beijing has been cancelled... Regarding these rules for GPS (as far as I'm aware of them): * the use of normal GPS-devices/loggers is not allowed * used e.g. in a car navigation they are not allowed to display coordinates * the map data for a car sat nav must be used from a chinese supplier, the data may not leave the country * ... [further strange details not written down] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Who Did It?
This is really great.
In case someone even less capable with java script bookmarklets than me is
interested:
I created a bookmarklet (based on previous
similarhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jaakkoh/diary)
that makes it a breeze to access a given user's WHODIDIT view (for a
predefined area and time range). Example for Hispanola at z8 and 31 days:
- name: WHODIDIT Hispanola by user last 31 days from userpage:
OpenStreetMap Changeset Analyzer
- URL:
javascript:a=document.location.href.split('/');if(a[2]+a[3]=='www.openstreetmap.orguser'){document.location.href='
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=8lat=18.83lon=-71.58layers=BTTuser='+a[4]+'age=31'}else{alert('Thisis
not a valid OSM user page.') }
Now, as I'm barely capable of modifying this originally borrowed code
myself I'd be very keen to know if it's possible to tweak this code so that
it would open the WHODIDIT page in a new tab in stead of the same - anyone?
All in all, the tool/service makes following edits in a given area or by
certain user(s) a _significantly_ easier. Big thanks to IZ for this!
Cheers,
-Jaakko
--
jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 *
http://go.hel.cc/about.me
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Re: [OSM-talk] Source as attribute of object or changeset ? [was: Re: Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance]
Have such schemes been proposed before ? Not sure about that. But this is logical and feasible _if_ all added/edited objects in a changeset had/have the same source. I can only say for sure about my own mapping: It would be almost always impossible for me -- except when tracing in areas I've never been to. Other than that my sources are a colorful mix of: survey, knowledge, GPS, GPS-aligned imagery, imageries (Bing, Google 2010 in Haiti, etc). This in a way that is totally impossible to tag to changeset. Other than the showstopper above I also find the source tags of/on objects quite often _very_ useful for estimating the accuracy/reliability of the data in question. It also follows the data through extracts and various outside-the-OSM-universe use, which I think is a good idea. So, I see no good reason for tagging source to changeset (only). Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:20:29 To: Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Source as attribute of object or changeset ? [was: Re: Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance] On 19/09/2012 15:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: It seems that you generally apply the source-tag to the osm object instead of the changeset comment, but I'd propose to do it the other way round. There are already tens of millions of objects in the db with related source-tags http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=source+%3D+cadastre-dgi-fr and putting it into the changeset comment could possibly reduce the size of the objects tables in the db. This leads also to another question: how should a mapper deal with these source tags when he applies modifications to the object? I suggest inheritance of source from the changeset, unless overridden by the object's source tag : let the changeset have an optional source attribute that applies to all the changeset's objects that do not have a source tag. Editors such as JOSM could display a virtual source tag that contains information from its changeset's source attribute if it is present. Have such schemes been proposed before ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding key info from good email threads to help.osm.org? -- Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area
Yes, I did ask you to ask the Q at help.osm.org -- but I also realized that it's a bit tedious process and will most probably result in many back and forths even if such process would be accepted in general (that someone who thinks this is a good thread would need to ask the original person who asked the question to post it to help.osm..). I'd think that it would make most sense that Someone would simply pick up the Q ask it at at help.osm.org and then answer it with the core points from the thread. ... That just doesn't result in an attribution nor a thread in a way that the organic asking/answering of questions at help.osm does... I think the only issues here are the odd(?) setup of one asking and answering + perhaps to some the loss of attribution (to user accounts; attribution is easy to write-in, of course). So, I was really asking for thoughts on *how *to manage this process of documenting good question+answer pairs into help.osm.org... Cheers, -Jaakko On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 03/09/2012 21:30, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: Hi there, Is there some policy or common understanding of how key info from good email threads should/could be added to help.osm.org? .. I mean, it of course only takes someone to ask a question -- but if some_one_ wants to add someone's question and then answer it, too, then how does that work? Colin: Would you like to answer your question at help.osm.org? ... (This seems a bit complicated, as a procedure, eih?) I *think* you are suggesting that I *ask* the question there? Once a discussion has died down, some actually result in some level of consensus (suprising though it may sometimes seem). It would be great if we could then edit out all the tangential stuff and link the original question to the consensus, with a link to the full debate if anyone's interested. Let's call it an 'FAQ'... Colin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ht] [CrisisMappers] Tropical storm (Haiti) Typhoon (Taiwan)
Good to hear that there's a crowdmap up and running for Isaac / Haiti. (Added HOT@osm to the list.) I am in the country (have been here about two years) and have started to prepare to the storm with fellow-HOTties. As of now we are doing standard HOT preparations (locating equipment, mappers, checking up with local actors, continuing with checking OSM data (after the license change bot), etc). I have a team of local mappers who are helping out to ensure that we have the capacity to respond as needed. The government has raised the alert level to red (the highest level). It seems that while we may well get a major amount of water and possibly hurricane class winds and there's a possibility for heavy damage (rain of possibly 20-30 cm) it's also quite possible that the wind speeds may not pick up to total destruction levels. The humanitarian threat is real nevertheless to major with some 400,000 people still in camps and a possible trajectory of the center of the storm that might cross right over this area.. Any other people in Haiti or working with / doing things related to the storm on these lists? Links to the storm info: * Overview of things + links: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/cyclones/ * Tropical Storm Force Wind Speed Probabilities (5 days): http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/060337.shtml?tswind120?large#contents * Coastal Watches/Warnings and 5-Day Forecast Cone for Storm Center: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/115735.shtml?5day?large#contents This just in: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2012-08-23_hurricane_isaac_getting_to_haiti Now off to personal preparations for the storm... Regards from Haiti, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-3726-9154 On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Janie Desjardins desjardinsja...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon This is the one we will use in Haiti : https://hurricaneisaachaiti.crowdmap.com/ Have a good day Janie 2012/8/23, Patrick Meier (CrisisMappers) patr...@crisismappers.net: Dear CrisisMappers, Anyone engaged in any crisis mapping preparations for these two incoming hazards? If so what, and can you share any links info? Many thanks, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en. ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?
Not OSM, but slightly (and possibly-maybe increasingly) using OSM (website only, and as background layer only, currently): Foursquare. I actually started using 4sq again after they not only started using OSM (with above limitations) and blogged about their wish to do more with OSM -- but after I read more about MapBox's involvement with supporting 4sq to use OSM (and learn it more thoroughly, I guess). I've copied Alex here (even though I think he follows talk@osm) who's at least one of the main OSM-4sq guys at MapBox. What I'd love to see is 4sq contributing their POI data to OSM in a way or another. .. I'm most probably not the only one thinking about this and there are certainly a number of hurdles in making that happen. Some linking/-age system between OSM data and 4sq POI data would also be nice. Cheers, -Jaakko On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, I am currently on the holidays in Italy (whole review of using OSM will come when I come back), but one thing I really wonder about is whether there is some Yelp/Google Reviews community based equivalent. The first thing we came to the camp in the Italy, we have picked up Google Maps (in the Android phone) and asked for the nearest restaurants. We've found one, but I felt really sorry I cannot share my review of the restaurant with a community (I don't have Google+ account and I don't want to have one, which is a prerequisite for making reviews, moreover I don't want to provide my work for the advertising agency). Is there some project like Yelp/Google Reviews community-based and based on OSM, or at least plans to do something like that? Matěj __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bulk Uploading GPX files on the OSM website
(Copying to hot + dev because there are certainly many similar cases as I describe in hot's regions that would benefit more-than-average-places of more traces dev as that's where the brains/skills to fix this problem are. Replies to dev only?) I'll just +1 this post, its remarks and suggestions. As a similarly positioned tech savvy but not a coding-capable person I can only hope that someone with dev capabilities would pick up on the task. Another data point from behind bad connections of Haiti: I've been here now nearly two years and have caught myself uploading GPS traces only twice (en masse, a few other uploads of single tracks other than that). This has been due to what Ben describes and looking at the bigger picture--a recent quick analysis I did of the GPS traces downloaded for all the territory of Haiti--I am tempted to guess that this difficulty of uploading GPS traces leaves many traces unuploaded, which is a clear loss to the project. Why do I think so: a simple comparison of my Haiti GPS trace folder size with the size of all GPS traces for Haiti shows that I've uploaded almost half of the tad over 400mb of traces. Additionally the number of traces uploaded by someone else than me vs total (tagged with Haiti or haiti) is/was perhaps 40-50 (for the total history), iirc. .. And there have been hundreds of OSM contributors going around with GPSs here. Now, it's most certain that the technical inconvenience of uploading is only a part of the problem. .. But it _is_ part of the problem... I know that it's not a secret that the GPS trace functions of OSM both up- downloading are not as developed as data editing, map renderings available, etc and since can't really fix this problem I can only hope that someone else will (one day). Cheers from Haiti, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Ben Robbins ben_robbi...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:22:31 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Bulk Uploading GPX files on the OSM website ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City routing grid for Australia and the US
Clodmade's (most!(!)) current data is from last December. Close enough? Dunno if you can query their API on the distance, so u gotta check that out. I just got a response from them the other day asking about when it will be updated and the response was that their engineers are assigned to other things... So, it seems that it will be one pre-redaction OSM reference for a while. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Mike N nice...@att.net Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:04:33 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] City routing grid for Australia and the US On 7/24/2012 2:59 PM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: Does anyone know of any other services which could provide reference distances? Does anyone have a pre-redaction planet that could have an OSRM instance created? I would think that this would not violate the ODBL or CC-BY of either state if it is just used for route comparison. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Re-mapping Hispanola = verifying that Haiti is ok, fixing Dominican Republic
*En francaise plus bas -- an kreyòl plis desann* --- Dear all, After a the license change bot ran over Hispanola and removed all edits incompatible with the new license there's a good amount of things to do, especially on the DR side to fix things. On the Haiti side we shouldn't have much damage but taken in consideration that OpenStreetMap is not only the best map of Haiti but also really the only good map it is critically important to verify that things are ok and fix where they are not. Thanks to Simon Poole setting up an installation of the H.O.T. developed Tasking Manager (Thanks to Pierre all!) I was able to set up sort of over view tasks for 1) Verifying that all of Haiti is ok (for the major parts): http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/20 , and 2) Fixing DR (for the road network): http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/19 . Please note that neither task's idea is to map everything in the task areas but merely to check that the road network (and perhaps major rivers) are ok and to fix anything that sticks out badly such as adding pieces of road that are clearly missing (and are part of the main road network. Also note that this is the first time I've used the Task Manager + created the tasks in 5 minutes, so I don't even claim that they would be well thought. .. All comments are more than welcome and I will tweak the tasks descriptions, etc as suited. Finally, especially for the DR side, the task areas are surely way too large in densly mapped (urban) areas. .. I will create separate tasks for those. (At least Santo Domingo). Cheers, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Ps. The tasking manager is only available currently in English as far as I know. And at least the descriptions of the task are only in English _currently_. All translation help is appreciated and I'll be happy to post/add any translations to the descriptions. *-- Francaise a la Google --* Bonjour à tous, Après un bot de la licence changement couru Hispanola et enlevé toutes les modifications incompatibles avec la nouvelle licence, il ya une bonne quantité de choses à faire, surtout sur le côté DR pour arranger les choses. Sur le côté Haïti, nous ne devrait pas avoir beaucoup de dégâts, mais pris en considération que OpenStreetMap est non seulement la meilleure carte de Haïti, mais aussi vraiment la seule carte bonne il est extrêmement important de vérifier que les choses sont ok et fixer où ils ne sont pas. Merci à Simon Poole mise en place d'une installation de la position HOT développé Gestionnaire Tasking (Merci à Pierre tout!), j'ai pu mettre en place sorte de «plus de vue des tâches pour 1) Vérifier que tous d'Haïti est ok (pour les pièces principales): http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/20 , et Fixation 2) DR (pour le réseau routier): http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/19 . S'il vous plaît noter que l'idée ni la tâche est de cartographier tout dans les domaines de travail, mais simplement de vérifier que le réseau routier (et peut-être les grands fleuves) sont ok et à réparer tout ce qui colle mal comme l'ajout d'éléments de route qui sont clairement portées disparues (et font partie du réseau routier principal. A noter également que c'est la première fois que j'ai utilisé le Gestionnaire des tâches + a créé les tâches en 5 minutes, donc je ne prétendent même pas qu'ils seraient bien pensé. .. Tous les commentaires sont plus que bienvenus et je vais modifier les tâches des descriptions, etc comme il convenait. Enfin, surtout pour le côté DR, les zones de travail sont certainement beaucoup trop grande dans densément cartographiés (urbaines). .. Je vais créer des tâches distinctes pour ceux-ci. (Au moins Santo Domingo). Cheers, Jaakko- http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Ps. Le gestionnaire de tâches est uniquement disponible actuellement en anglais autant que je sache. Et au moins les descriptions de la tâche sont seulement en anglais _currently_. Tout aide à la traduction est apprécié et je serai heureux de publier / ajouter des traductions pour les descriptions. *-- Kreole a la Google --* Chè tout moun, Apre yon lisans bot nan chanjman kouri sou Hispanola ak retire tout edits enkonpatib ak lisans nan nouvo gen yon bon kantite lajan nan bagay yo fè, espesyalman sou bò DR ranje bagay sa yo. Sou bò Ayiti a nou pa ta dwe gen anpil domaj men yo te pran an konsiderasyon ke OpenStreetMap se pa sèlman kat jeyografik ki pi bon pou Ayiti, men tou vrèman kat la sèlman bon li se sevèman enpòtan w kapab verifye si bagay yo OK ak ranje kote yo pa yo. Gras a Simon Poole Mete kanpe yon enstalasyon nan cho a devlope Manadjè tach (Mèsi a Pierre tout!) mwen te kapab mete kanpe yon sòt de travay View sou pou 1) Verifye ke tout Ayiti se OK (pou pati ki pi gwo): http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/20, ak 2) fiksan DR (pou rezo a wout): http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/19. Tanpri note ke lide ni travay la se planifye tout bagay yo nan zòn travay, men senpleman yo tcheke ke rezo a wout (e petèt pi gwo rivyè) se OK ak ranje bagay ki kole soti seryezman tankou ajoute moso
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Licence change redactions occurring in Haiti in the next half hour
Hi Bill / anyone interested to help in last minute fixing of Hispanola, *(adding to talk@osm in case there would happen to be anyone with interest and time to help)* Super glad to hear of you... Unfortunately I've wasted your to-be-contribution by a delayed response (having been swamped with other work). If you still have time more or less now or at least today I would advice to: *Look through especially Santo Domingo's named roads *(created or named by non-agreers)*.* I'l advice with other cities you mentioned later. *What has been done already in the area?* * (especially) 42429 has done a tremendous job in cleaning (simplifying) the priorly quite over-noded road grid and adjusting the geometries by tuning the positions of most of the roads' nodes in Santo Domingo, which me, my team in Haiti, and a few other contributors have continued from * I went through nearly all of Santo Domingo's area yesterday with a few JOSM filters, namely highway=* -name=* -modified -odbl=* which made it easy to check quickly the existence, classification (and other possible tags) for roads without names (that is easy to do for me who only knows a fraction of the road names there + was a very easy way to save a lot of roads fast = totaled a tad over 1200 bits of road = ways) * I also started to go through the named roads (for what I know) that you can make easier to find by flipping the name key in the filter to highway=* name=* -modified -odbl=* Realizing how freaking fast the bot is and not being sure of it will complete the rest of the Eastern hemisphere last night already * I already deleted name tags of a few (main) roads (for which I don't know the names for) +added the odbl=clean tag to them of course, which is obviously the whole point of this exercise after all else is ok -- to make sure those roads wouldn't get nuked. .. Adding the name to a road, I've gathered, is significantly easier/smaller task / can be done by a less advanced person than remapping after probably at least somewhat messed geometries when the bot has run over. *SO:* I'd advice to continue going through the roads that have names, which is what I/we remote ppl w/out super-good (or any) local can't do. - If you use JOSM then I'd recommend the filter above (and tick all the boxes to hide all objects that don't match the filter. - If you use P2, then simply tick on the license status from your options if you haven't already and just go thorough all the red roads with name that you see and that don't yet have odbl=clean tag on them (which you can see in the Advanced mode) and add the odbl=clean tag as you see appropriate. And as always (especially at this point): If you run into tags that you can't stand behind (oneway, paved, lanes, what not) that have been created by non-agreers, nuke 'em. The bot status (with a global view that currently makes sense) is: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php?zoom=3lat=15.85147lon=-153.37871layers=B00FTTFF and with the recent areas http://grant.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php *As of now, we seem to have about 23 degrees longitude of bot processing time* -- mostly in empty ocean areas -- to fix things. That *might not be many hours.* My very next step is to take an overview of other areas of DR, do as many quick fixes as possible (like other unnamed roads in urban areas + connecting bits of the road network + if I still find areas outside of SD for which I know road names for). I'll report back with my findings of other areas to check for names -- in case you respond back and it seems that you (or some other) would magically have the time to fix all of SD and would yearn for more ;) Let me know if there's anything more you need / if I was unclear on anything above. Skype is good communication channel, as is IRC (#osm, #hot + I've created #osm-ht and #osm-do in OFTC for hispanola, where you can find me as jaakkoh or something alike). My GTalk/Jabber username is jaakko@helleranta.comshould you/someone want to reach through that. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:37 AM, William Morris wboyk...@geosprocket.comwrote: Do you have a changeset or bounds where road names need verification in the DR? I can cover Santo Domingo, SF de Macoris and Nagua. Pa'lante -Bill ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ht] Fw: [HOT] Licence change redactions occurring in Haiti in the next half hour
Big thanks to Andy for arranging us a little bit more time to license-clean/rescue data. I'll try to keep a continuous eye on the progress of the bot but would be super thankful to anyone who can guestimate the bot's progress enoguh to give 24-48hrs heads up on the bot's arrival to Hispanola (Haiti/DR). .. Reason being is that while especially user 42429 has done a big job in saving nodes of roads and our team is working on saving road network info (joining nodes + verifying rd classification) we are still working on some last minute possibilities to find locals (especially in DR side) to verify road names before the bot arrives. We're marking roads with odbl:rd_class=clean when we've verified their existence + class but will hope to either get some locals to verify the name (+ other possible attributes) and change the tag to odbl=clean -- or to nuke the uncompatible tags + chnage the tag ourselves. .. And for that a last minute mass-operation is needed. From the bumpy rds of HT, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:10:38 To: talk-ht@openstreetmap.orgtalk-ht@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Subject: [Talk-ht] Fw: [HOT] Licence change redactions occurring in Haiti in the next half hour * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron - Forwarded Message - From: Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk To: h...@openstreetmap.org h...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [HOT] Licence change redactions occurring in Haiti in the next half hour Correction. There's actually a secret exclusion zone been placed around Haiti :-) The bot will *not* be processing Haiti in the next half hour. But it will get to Haiti later on after the rest of the world has been processed. This gives the Haiti OSM community at least of couple more days to perform remapping (difficult to say exactly how long) Harry From: Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk To: h...@openstreetmap.org h...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012, 12:17 Subject: [HOT] Licence change redactions occurring in Haiti in the next half hour The licence change redaction bot has started in the North America bounding box. This includes Haiti, where we are due to lose some data. Bot progress map: http://bit.ly/MjXHlN In fact I would estimate it will process Haiti within the next half hour. No action is required just now. In fact it's probably best not to edit there while the bot is processing it, but afterwards... There will be some missing patches to patch up. As is usual for OpenStreetMa, mapping is best done by folks on the ground, but could be quickly done by armchair mapping (anyone anywhere in the world) Can we forward this message on to folks in Haiti, and decide what's the best approach? Harry ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages. ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
Re: [Talk-ht] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Réf.: Re: Suivi des opérations du Redaction bot
en français ci-dessous en anglais --- Dear all, As JGC mentions the license change process is in its last step, which means on one hand that - the bot (script) that is cleaning up the database of data that is not compatible with the new license has begun to run (you can see the global status here: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php ) On the other hand - we have a small group of more advanced mappers who are working hard to clean up all critical data in Haiti and the whole island. The cleaning up operation is currently a little bit complex process that requires advanced skills and good guidance. I have introduced a few mappers to it here, have been cleaning a lot myself, and there are a few other advanced/expert mappers elsewhere who are doing this cleanup for Hispanola. Based on the experience I have with introducing more advanced Haitian mappers to the cleanup process *I ask that nobody who is not introduced to the cleanup would start to do it now. There is a risk of messing the data more than helping and/or messing up the previously occurred remapping. * * * After the license bot has run over the island there will be plenty to do with remapping where we have lost data at which stage all can participate. If anyone fluent in French and English finds any lack in any even semi-critical part of this message in the Google Translation below, _please_ translate it so that nobody misunderstands this message. With best regards, -Jaakko (Who woke up today at 3am to do work that he couldn't do over the weekend due to fixing problems with remapping activities...) *-- en francais a la Google --* Bonjour à tous, Comme JGC mentionne le processus de changement de licence en est à sa dernière étape, ce qui signifie d'une part que - Le bot (script) qui est le nettoyage de la base de données de données qui n'est pas compatible avec la nouvelle licence a commencé à courir (vous pouvez voir l'état global ici: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change / botprocessing.php) En revanche - Nous avons un petit groupe de plus de cartographes expérimentés qui travaillent dur pour nettoyer toutes les données critiques en Haïti et l'île entière. Le opération de nettoyage est actuellement un processus peu complexe qui nécessite des compétences avancées et une bonne direction. J'ai introduit quelques cartographes peu à ici, ont été le nettoyage beaucoup moi-même, et il ya quelques autres mappeurs avancés / experts d'ailleurs qui font ce nettoyage pour Hispanola. Basé sur l'expérience que j'ai avec l'introduction plus avancés cartographes haïtiennes à le processus de nettoyage* je demande que personne qui n'est pas présenté à l'assainissement serait de commencer à le faire maintenant.* *Il ya un risque de semer la pagaille des données plus que d'aider et / ou de gâcher le remappage déjà produit.* * * Après le bot licence a exécuter sur l'île il y aura beaucoup à voir avec le remappage où nous avons perdu des données à quelle étape chacun peut y participer. Si quelqu'un parle couramment le français et l'anglais constate un manque dans n'importe quelle partie, même semi-critique de ce message dans la traduction Google ci-dessous, _please_ traduire afin que personne ne se méprend sur ce message. Avec mes meilleures salutations, Jaakko- (Qui s'est réveillé aujourd'hui à 3h du matin pour faire le travail qu'il ne pouvait pas faire ce week-end en raison de la résolution des problèmes avec les activités de remappage ...) 2012/7/17 Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.org (English version below) Bonjour, Le robot de nettoyage pour le passage à la licence ODbL nécessite apparemment pas mal de corrections et réparations après son passage, même sur la France où il y a pourtant un très fort tôt d'acceptation de la nouvelle licence. Vous pouvez suivre un fil de discussion qui en parle, et dont le message ci-dessous est extrait, à partir de http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2012-July/thread.html#45439 et de http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2012-July/thread.html#45487 Je n'ai pas trop suivi les opérations de sauvetage préalables, mais peut-être est-il encore temps d'agir pour limiter les pertes de données sur Haïti... Bien cordialement, Jean-Guilhem - Hi, The redaction bot for the shift to ODbL apparently requires a good amount of corrections and repairs afterwards, even in France where the acceptance rate for the new licence is very high. Those reading French can follow a thread about this from the links given above. I didn't follow much of the prevention operations (did they rely on the JOSM plugin mentioned in the email below ?), but it might still be time to act to fix data loss in Haiti (or to get ready to fix it later). Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem Message original Sujet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Réf.: Re: Suivi des opérations du Redaction bot Date : Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:42:27 +0200 De :
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ASTER or no ASTER?
I think it's as clear as a non-standard license can be. As you noted: What are some examples of derived products that are re-distributable? 2. Creating a slope map That's really it in quite explicit terms, I think. My guess is that they want to limit the distribution of the data itself so they would have a bit better understanding of how many organizations/projects/people are using the data. This may impact their financing, etc. .. Just guessing of course. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 15:30:02 To: Licensing and other legal discussions.legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] ASTER or no ASTER? Hi, I'm slowly getting a headache from trying to find out wheter the use of ASTER data (for hillshading) in the creation of CC-BY-SA licensed map tiles is permissible or not. There are people who say that ASTER is only free for science and educational use. I used to think that too. But it's hard to find a good statement about that. From http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20090629.html: NASA and Japan's Ministry of Economy, Trade and industry (METI) released the Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer (ASTER) Global Digital Elevation Model (GDEM) to the worldwide public on June 29, 2009. No license info on that page, but release to the worldwide public is something different from for academic purposes only, isn't it? Then http://asterweb.jpl.nasa.gov/gdem.asp: As a contribution from METI and NASA to the Global Earth Observation System of Systems (GEOSS), ASTER GDEM V2 data are available free of charge to users worldwide from the Land Processes Distributed Active Archive Center (LP DAAC) and J-spacesystems. No license info again, but free of charge to users wolrdwide. Hm. Then https://lpdaac.usgs.gov/products/aster_policies gets interesting but the language is somewhat twisted: ASTER Redistribution Policies for the General Public ASTER Global DEM (GDEM) data are subject to redistribution and citation policies. Before ordering ASTER GDEM data, users must agree to redistribute data products only to individuals within their organizations or projects of intended use, ... But this is about the *redistribution* of data, and I don't want to redistribute - I want to make tiles from it. Further down (Click here for additional GDEM redistribution information) it says: The general principle is one of reversibility: If someone can recover the original x-y-z values from the new product, then that new product can NOT be re-distributed. ... What are some examples of derived products that are re-distributable? 2. Creating a slope map This all sounds as if I *can* download the data and use it for hillshading as long as I don't redistribute the data itself. Doesn't it? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
I'm open to change title of the document, if you have good one. MOU - A brief document to clarify the worries of some in the OSM community about the compatibility of the NLSF Open Data license with OSM ODbL license + OSM's CTs? :) Cheers, -J Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Pekka Sarkola pekka.sark...@gispo.fi Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:15:05 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.'legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: pekka.sark...@gispo.fi, Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF Chris, Kate, Paul and Jaakko, Thanks about your comments. Here is few re-comments: This is Memorandum of Understanding, not an agreement. I think Wikipedia (again) explains carefully the differences between MoU and an agreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_understanding. This could be also Gentlemen's Agreement, maybe. NLSF's Open Data License is more free than OSM licenses (CC-BY-SA or ODBl): http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/NLS_open_data_licence_version1_20120501. Some Finnish OSMers has been worried about last item in sectin 2.2: remove the name of the Licensor from the product or service, if required to do so by the Licensor. and some has been worried about other things in the license. So, this is maybe more for OSMers (OpenStreetMap Foundation, community, contributors and other fellows) to clarify the situation. Signing of the MoU: I thought that this won't be officially signed document. Easier to NLSF, they just can send email. It will be impossible to get signature of OSMers for this MoU. Tying mapper hands: I don't understand this. How? If I (as OSMer) will make guidelines, all necessary mandations is done by all OSMers. Other mappers will follow guideline or not: this just normal procedure in OSM world, right? Dangerous precedent: I don't understand this. I think more and more government data will be open in the future. In some areas it is very valuable to OSMers to benefit those data sources. I hope this will also help other agencies to open their topographic datasets. Did I miss something? Requirements of MoU: I see only one requirement: preparing guideline. I will do that. Do you see other requirements in this MoU for OSMers? Contract: this is not contract, this is Memorandum of Understanding. There is big difference between those. This MoU is more for OSMers than NLSF. As Jaakko mention, this could be titles as License clarification. But this is not license clarification, because we didn't take any lines about licenses into this MoU. NLSF's license is more free than OSM licenses. So, we just need to attribute them in our wiki pages. And this MoU just clarifies that. I pick this title Memorandum of Understanding, because it's widely known term and make sense about spirit of the document. I'm open to change title of the document, if you have good one. Rgs, Pekka Pekka Sarkola – pekka.sark...@gispo.fi – www.gispo.fi -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 3. heinäkuuta 2012 20:51 To: pekka.sark...@gispo.fi; Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF On 03/07/12 17:02, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter “MoU”) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Background NLSF started to use a new Open Data License for their topographic information datasets (hereinafter Data) on 1st of May 2012. NLSF’s Open Data License grants a worldwide, free of charge and irrevocable parallel right of use to open data. This MoU clarifies how Data can be used when OSM are collecting data to be part of OpenStreetMap database. Usage of NLSF’s data NLSF data can be used at least two (2) ways by OSM: - As reference data: NLSF Data can be used as reference data. For example NLSF’s raster maps or aerial photographs can used as source data when OSM databases are digitized, corrected, validated or in any other way. - As import source: NLSF Data can be imported to be an integral part of OpenStreetMap database. Attribution OSM will add NLSF’s contribution to OpenStreetMap wiki pages as follows: Finland National Land Survey of Finland Contains data from National Land Survey of Finland Topographic Database and other sources, data extractions started on 05/2012. More specific data sources and data extraction dates are documented as part of data and in OSM wiki pages OSM are preparing guidelines
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF
The way I see this is: Don't allow the term MOU make you not see The Point of this text and that is a clarification to the license terms. In plain(?) English the Finnish authority says that the OSM community is allowed to use the data _in OSM_ with the articulated clarifications because some in the community have felt that the license is problematic for using this Open Data in OSM. Unless I misunderstand something here it seems to me that regardless of the MOU (that is most usually drafted in collaboration _and_ signed by two parties) the idea here is that the Finnish authority declares one-sidedly (because OSM community is practically impossible to do 2-sided agreements with) that: If you abide to these (super-simple) rules/requirements then you are free as in free speech allowed to use the data. So, find+replace MOU with License clarification and perhaps -- just perhaps-- this seems better? Or am I missing something (again)? Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: From: Pekka Sarkola [mailto:pekka.sark...@gispo.fi] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:03 AM To: OSM - talk-fi; legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF Dear Friends, I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment: Memorandum of Understanding This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter MoU) is between the National Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors (hereinafter OSM). Who would this agreement be between? It can't be between OSM contributors. It could be between NLSF and *some* OSM contributors who individually agree to it but it can't be for all OSM contributors. It couldn't impose any requirements on users of NLSF or NLSF-derived data in OSM, including OSM contributors. A MOU is essentially a contract between two parties, but I don't see who the second party is in this case. A contract or MOU makes sense in some cases, like if you are purchasing commercial imagery, but there's two clear parties then. I suppose you could have a data provider who didn't want to make their data directly publically available but was willing to let people contribute it to OSM, but such an import might run into problems following the guidelines. OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how to include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data features. I'm not saying this isn't important - you'd likely to do this as part of the import process - but does it belong in a MOU? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] No icons (rendering)? -- was: Re: Icons
Would anyone else here like to see objects, namely POIs from accepted categories listed in the OSM but that don't have an icon render always (when there is space on the Mapnik map)? I think that the fact that most often such POIs don't get rendered -- albeit sometimes they seem to, dunno why -- is one of the major flaws of OSM currently to really push it into main stream use or perhaps more so to broaden our contributor base. The thing is that when eg office=* (or shop=mobile_phone or many others) + name=* doesn't get rendered as a node u need to do work-arounds like put the tags on a building or landuse to get such simple POI/object to render. I've run into many enough cases where people have wanted/tried to put something on the map but have given up because the result doen't actually show on the map to come to think that this is a problem that should b resolved. One easy(?) way would be to use a generic icon for all POI types that are officially accepted (ie in the wiki and approved after voting) -- if some icon is really needed (which might b a good idea to point the location bit more accurately). Google seems to use a tiny square for such cases. Could we use a dot? Anyways. This itches me. Would anyone want to help fix this issue? (I don't know how to code.) Cheers, -Jaakko On Jun 27, 2012 6:07 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons please? Currently JOSM has its own set, various rendering systems have their own sets but a single recommended set that covered more would be better. Currently skateboard, Softball, T-ball, toboggan are things that don't seem to have an icon. Locally we have splash-pads where young children can run in and out of a spray of water. Very useful in hot weather but not something I'd expect to see in the UK for example, however a standard name and an icon would be helpful. Thanks John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ht] Projet d'amélioration de points de contrôle au sol sur Haïti
I'm not sure I understood all the key points of the messages. .. Hopefully some. So, the project would bring 100% coverage of 2.5 resolution SPOT imagery for Haiti, right? And that would be available for OSM usage under the linked license? And could then be used if for nothing else but aligning Bing (or other) imagery -- if this imagery can be aligned well enough... This should good to me as even with the newest addition to Bing coverage we are missing some areas there -- and there are clear problems with the aligning of the Bing imagery. Now, for the alingment points. It would be good to get a .xml (/.osm) or .kml file of the chosen points. I guess shapefile is the format that they are in currently? (I still don't use proper GIS systems). Or is there e.g. a shared spreadsheet with the given points and their coordinates (with possibly a note on who's checking what and based on what)? So, pls let me know how I can help -- or put me in contact with the person/people doing this excersice. Cheers, -Jaakko 2012/6/21 Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com Bonjour à tous, Nous étions au rendez vous de Kalhaiti avec Jean, d'ou est ressorti ce petit projet. Ce projet étant sur trois ans et pourrait permettre l'acquisition de nouvelles images sur l'Artibonite et d'autres zones. Il y a aussi des projets de recherches associés et autres possibilités que nous creusons avec les coordinateurs du projet. Nous vous tiendrons au courant au fur et à mesure des discussion. Je laisse Jean coordonner cette activité pour Kalhaiti auprès de vous. Ne pas hésiter non plus a lancer des sujets sur le Talk Haiti, ou des idées d’activités autour de OSM. Amicalement, Moine Frederic ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages. ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
Re: [Talk-ht] Projet d'amélioration de points de contrôle au sol sur Haïti
Note also that a side product of this project should be to have at least some GPS tracks in areas of Haiti where there is currently none. Related to this: Has anyone hacked a way to download all of Haiti's GPS traces? Looking at things based on traces' tags there aren't too many GPS traces uploaded to OSM (with Haiti or haiti tags, that is) -- and I don't think there are much over a dozen or so users that have uploaded any traces. I'd be interested to see the coverage of the traces currently in the db. .. And it would of course also be interesting to see who has uploaded them. Downloading with JOSM piece by piece is possible but tedious. .. I do have downloaded traces of a number of the cities already, though, so maybe continuing that path is an option. Cheers, -Jaakko ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
Re: [OSM-talk] Unauthorized mechanical edit - changeset 11913785 - amenity=airport-aeroway=aerodrome
No. Reverting does _not_ mean uploading old version. It means undoing your changeset completely or partially. See info about JOSM plugin Reverter (IIRC). .. And probably makes sense to look into it a bit before actually reverting -- as you may mess up more when reverting. As some commenter said, it's easier to revert sooner than later. Good luck and ask for help if in doubt, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh --Original Message-- From: bruno To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Unauthorized mechanical edit - changeset 11913785 - amenity=airport-aeroway=aerodrome Sent: Jun 17, 2012 11:15 On dom, 2012-06-17 at 16:30 +0200, colliar wrote: It is your decision but you will probably gain more friends by reverting and making more careful mechanical edits including reporting about it in advance. reverting means to upload the old version of those nodes/relations, right? /bruno -- CONTACTS == http://tracciabi.li/~bruno/contacts.html == ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wikimapia data now under cc-by-sa
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.comwrote: If this data covers the geographical coordinates which have been derived from google maps service, then it doesnt make any sense. Sense or no sense? I guess it depends among other things on whether you think (and the jurisdiction you are in thinks) that coordinates can be copyrighted in any way, if individual coordinates can't be copyrighted -- but that lists of coordinates (or databases) can be copyrighted (case from Finland: the list of namedays is copyrighted but individual namedays aren't), whether deriving coordinates (one by one) from imagery has to do with copyrights or TOS issues, etc. OSM community at large wants to be very clearly on the safe side on these (which I think makes all the sense in the world for a project like this). Someone else having a slightly different opinion is just that--an opinion, a stance--until proven in court or being hunted down and squeezed to death by corporate lawyers, I guess. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tag combinations: amenity and highway
(Added tagging@osm. Isn't this more of a tagging discussion all-in-all?) Should both description and note keys be encouraged especially when using atypical tags/combinations? -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Maarten Deen To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tag combinations: amenity and highway Sent: Jun 13, 2012 02:01 On 2012-06-12 22:28, Peter Wendorff wrote: 32 (tourist, bus_stop): amenity=tourist is over all only 32 times in the database, so at least I would count amenity=tourist as useless. Could it be meant as a bus stop for tourist/sightseeing busses? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] new bing hires updates not visible in JOSM?
Make sure you are viewing the highest zoom levels (z18-19) when trying to look for the highres imagery. This trick showed some additional hires imagery for some areas in Haiti last year. It was in JOSM, though and the bug may have been solved (haven't checked actually). .. So, may not help you but good to try. Cheers, -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: maning sambale To: osm-talk Subject: [OSM-talk] new bing hires updates not visible in JOSM? Sent: Jun 12, 2012 20:39 As the subject says, we spotted new imagery from Bing. Potlatch2 can load the imagery, but JOSM still shows the lowres Landsat image of the same area. This area for reference: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=9.305565lon=123.308057zoom=18 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tag combinations: amenity and highway
Thorough analysis. I think you're right on at least most of the 2 objects? And my guess is that: 46 (parking, bus_stop) how is this in other countries? in germany this would usually be an error. Would imply two objects, too. ... Or then if someone wants to denote that this specific bus stop has parking facility connected to it it might make sense to use parking=yes in stead of amenity=parking and add the other object(s) for the actual parking spots. .. Haven't checked if anyone has done or suggested this, though, so just my thinking-aloud. It's a bit of a similar question as how facilities within facilitiesw should be tagged? Amneity=atm or atm=yes, amenity=restaurant or restaurant=yes, ... Bar, sauna, gym, patio, pool, AC (as in air conditioning). My understanding(?) is that there's no clear convention to this. Imho in your cases amenity=bus_stop + parking=yes doesn't sound bad at all for bus stops targeted to (partly car traveling) commuters, for example. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:28:39 To: talk@openstreetmap.orgtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Tag combinations: amenity and highway Hi. While developing the look-and-listen map I currently do some research about tagging and tag combinations as I have to build some kind of decision tree to determine how to describe a given osm object as text. I thought about first level tags in the osm database and looked into the most often used keys and tags according to taginfo for that. Some of the most used relevant keys are amenity and highway, and I did a summary of value combinations of these. It turns out, that at objects, that have both keys these often are redundant. Before I start: in sum my overpass-api export of yesterday returned 2668 objects with both tags. I would really appreciate some comments and thoughts about my suggestions (as written behind the corresponding combination). In order of appearance the combinations are count (amenity, highway): (neither all combinations listed, nor all most used ones): redundant combinations: 845 (bus_station, bus_stop) 69 (lamp, street_lamp) 34 (bus_stop, bus_stop) 25 (speed_trap, speed_camera) 10 (street_light, street_lamp) 7 (doctors, emergency_access_point): probably I'm wrong here, but why should I go to a doctor to call a doctor for an emergency? I'm confused about these. 7 (elevator, elevator) 4 (public_lift, elevator): where public_lift is used only 5 times over all 2 (bus_station, bus_station) 2 (elevator, lift) 2 (light_post, street_lamp) 2 (mountain_rescue, emergency_access_point): additionally amenity=mountain_rescue is not documented (but listed on the german how-to-map-A) 2 (speed_enforcement, speed_camera) not redundant combinations: 213 (waste_basket, bus_stop) 136 (bench, bus_stop): alternative: amenity=bus_stop; bench=yes (already used around 50k times) 118 (parking, rest_area) 107 (shelter, bus_stop): alternative: amenity=bus_stop; shelter=yes (already used 108k times) 92 (parking, turning_circle) 59 (parking, services) 37 (waste_basket, street_lamp) 35 (post_box, bus_stop): but often two objects, I think 15 (shelter, emergency_access_point) 6 (toilets, bus_stop): should be two objects, I think. 6 (waste_disposal, bus_stop): IMHO again two objects. 5 (watering_place, ford) combinations I guess to be an error: 46 (parking, bus_stop) how is this in other countries? in germany this would usually be an error. 45 (fuel, services) well, related, but amenity=fuel should not be tagged on the highway, right? 32 (tourist, bus_stop): amenity=tourist is over all only 32 times in the database, so at least I would count amenity=tourist as useless. It's not documented in the wiki. 30 (sloped_curb, crossing): outdated, as amenity=sloped_curb should be replaced by sloped_curb=yes (or better) or kerb=* 27 (restaurant, services): should be more than one object. 16 (school, bus_stop): should be two objects 15 (bicycle_parking, bus_stop): should be two objects 13 (fuel, service): probably services? 12 (trash_can, bus_stop): waste_basket instead of trash_can? 10 (fuel, bus_stop): two objects? 8 (fountain, mini_roundabout): if a mini-roundabout is a fountain in parallel, I would suggest the center not to be traversable, that would be a contradiction to the mini_roundabout definition we found in the discussions in the last weeks. 8 (recycling, bus_stop): I guess, this is most often a waste_basket, not what we usually call amenity=recycling. If that's wrong, these should be two objects. 8 (toilets, rest_area): should be two objects, as the toilets are much smaller than the rest area I guess (else I would not call it rest_area any more, but toilets only) 6 (grave_yard, turning_circle): sounds strange... 5
Re: [OSM-talk] Changing capitalization (Lima)
(Added HOT to the list as the issue here is probably of interest In the areas where HOT is active.) Andrzej, What was your process / what tools did you use? In general: I've dreamed of solutions to fix not only capitalization errors / fuckups but also various other typing errors / mistakes in names to use especvially in Haiti where I've spent countless hours trying to combat things that various helping hands are creating on a steady basis. My dream solution would be a simple(?) export-import tool that would make it possible to: 1) Export desired tag values (1 at a time) to csv / your_favorite_spreadsheet_format 2) Fix the typos/etc errors in that give data 3) Import/Upload the fixed data back to OSM. As Alex originally questioned/thought_aloud fixing of names _could_ happen simply by editing the xml file manually -- but you'd need to always remember to add the edited tag into the right place for the edit to work / get registered in the data upload. .. And such data manipulation is simply _so_ much easier in a spreadsheet application -- and can be outsourced to people who understand nothing about geo/tech tools but who know how to fix CapiTAliZaTi0n errors / typos. The additional reason I'd _love_ to have such tool is that it could make it possible to create a simple list of eg all schools, hospitals, restaurants, what_not within a given osm file. .. Especially convenient would be if the developer of such tool would make it possible to export / list more than just one field into the csv/spreadsheet file; say, name, address, phone, email, website, description, etc. Adding and updating such attribute data would imo be _so_ much easier / more efficient in a spreadsheet than one-by-one in JOSM/Potlacth/etc. If someone would have a Kickstarter/etc project to do this (or can point me to an existing such solution) I'd be very much willing to contribute, say, $100-200 depending on the richness of features of such tool. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:34:21 To: Alex Bartha...@mapbox.com Cc: openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org; ru...@developmentseed.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Changing capitalization (Lima) On 31 May 2012 17:39, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: We're currently working with Ruben (user Rub21) on fixing street name capitalization in Lima - a lot of the street names are ALL CAPS where they should be properly capitalized. We're doing this work manually right now and are well under way. It's quite time intensive though - any examples of where such a cleanup process has been automated on OSM before? I ran such a process on the POI names in Girona that were imported just before the SOTM'10. Accents were correct already and python dealt with them correctly. The only special cases were some prepositions that are written in lower case and the Catalan use of apostrophe. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5073672 is one of the changesets. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Old versions of OSM?
You can get sort of a touch and feel to how the map looked before if you have the .osm file for that time. Slice a suitable piece of it and view it in JOSM with Mapnik (true) Paint Style. The custom paint styles are available via Edit Preferences: Map Settings (3rd left side tab from top) Map Paint Styles and move the Mapnik (true) to the right side from there.e Not exactly the real thing, but decent. Cheers, -Jaakko On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Is it possible to view an older rendering of OSM, such as how an area was mapped earlier this year/last year. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
It would be _super_ good if we had some tool that would flag and notify some advanced active mapper in a given area of any changesets that delete more than 2 features. .. I'd be totally up for checking any and all changesets in Haiti that delete _anything_. This is an increasing problem and especially where there's limited number of advanced mappers _actively_ monitoring and fixing an area this issue can become a killer for the map in that area. .. And I would include merges into this deletion category. (The Airport Road of PaP is still a 2km bridge after a misguided edit w/ a merge perhaps 2wks ago -- haven't had the time to fix that and neither has anyone else, it seems..) Cheers from sunny Hispanola -- the island of one soon sinking capital city (sinking from The Map, that is), -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:56:08 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New editors This seems to be a recurring thing. I have personally caught, contacted and reverted 3 people who just wanted a simplified map of an area. I just happened to spot their edits in LiveEditMapViewer. I haven't really been paying as much attention to it lately so I'm sure a number of such edits have slipped through. Somehow the users didn't understand that they were saving their changes to THE database and that it would affect everyone who uses OSM data. I'm not sure how to get the message across any better. Toby On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: But one newbie deleted about 300 streets, seemingly for a wedding-related event map :-( ... I couldn't help laughing, that's actually pretty funny. Did you contact the user? Yes, I sent a message, but got no reply. Perhaps they were too embarrassed, so the revert will be initiated. It would be funny to get the printed wedding invitation, containing just the remaining major streets! This kind of wedding map edit actually happened to my country in 2010. :-) http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-June/002314.html I wonder what the intent of the user was? It appears to me that they were attempting to create a certain type of map by altering the data. Here on the list we would argue that the issue the user is tackling is a rendering issue, not a data issue. Is this a clue to a different way of rendering? In the same way that streetmap and cyclemap have the same data but produce different looking maps? Perhaps a renderer could make a weddingmap :-D It could work by having the user center the map on their one point of interest, and then the rendering process would have high detail around that center point, but have the detail drop off successively the greater the distance from the center point. So minor streets around the wedding venue would be rendered because that is useful for navigation and parking. But minor streets further away from the venue would not be rendered, because the intent is to highlight only the chosen point of interest and major transportation routes to that point. nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list
[OSM-talk] Experiences of OSM collaboration with mobile operator(s) / device distributor(s)?
Hi there, Does anyone know of cases where device distributor(s) or mobile operator(s) would have collaborated/interacted with OSM in a way or another? I'm especially interested to know of any cases that would have pre-installed OSM using app(s) on Android devices but I'm keen to learn/hear of any collaboration/partnerships including any possible activities in partnering with these players to encourage the public (ie the device users in this case) to improve the map. Reason for asking: there's a device distributor who is bringing Android devices to market in collaboration with a large operator in a country where OSM maps are the only good maps. This distributor had barely heard of OSM before but upon presenting the map+data and various aspects of the project is thrilled to get both OSM maps app as well as a map that would bring together local information around the user/device. So, any experience, thoughts, ideas, etc on how this could/should/shouldn't be handled are most welcome. As per apps that I think could be good choices: all suggestions on this, too, are most welcome. - Mapquest has a pretty nice/solid general use app. - Maverick is my own favorite. Even though it doesn't interact with OSM. - OsmAnd is an obvious choice fore at least shoerlisting. What other apps would you suggest to be considered (for pre-installation)? These would need to be more or less general use maps -- but I think some Mapdust/OpenMapBugs app wouldn't be a bad addition on the list? Thoughts? -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
+1 for # of rooms. It's pretty much the same as # of parking spots in a parking lot, imho. As per prices I think hotel prices are not _that_ different from toll prices (at highways, parking, etc). For hotels, I'd opt for a price range system rather than exact prices, though, due to both the range of prices as well as price changes over time (due to inflation). A bit similar as the hotel ranking star system but classes for eg cheap, inexpensive, mid-range, costly, expensive, shit-expensive? Cheers, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:10:22 To: Andrew Erringtona.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk Cc: openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel Am 13. April 2012 07:14 schrieb Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk: On Fri, April 13, 2012 12:33, Frans Thamura wrote: Option 1: Add all data for all hotels into OSM. Now you have only one database. But the problem is that some data should probably not be entered into OSM. For example, number of rooms, or price of rooms. probably this is offtopic in this thread, but the number of rooms would be an interesting information to roughly tell how important a hotel is. I would like to have this in OSM. Prices on the other hand are also of interest if you look for a hotel, but there is currently no hope to keep this information up to date (and usually there are lots of prices, dependent on the particular room (view/orientation, location, size, ...). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ht] incorrect health facility imports
Desole seulment en francoise. Svp utilise http://translate.google.com si tu comprends pas l'anglais. -- (This is a few days old by now as the reply didn't get sent before the other replies but these r my thoughts anyways.) I see this being somewhat closely related to a wider problem about adding crisis response data / less-than-desirable-quality data into OSM during after acute crisis. On one hand it's purely against OSM import rules. One the other hand, Haiti was the first time such broad use of OSM happened in a such a big crisis. .. And in an area where the original map was practically non-existent. The problem has different perspectives to it of which I can think of two top issues: * it was more or less an emergency import (which doesn't mean that we can't clean it) - due to this there's a _ton_ of emergency health facilities (field hospitals, etc). These I tend to delete unless there's a reason to believe that there may be something there, of course. * the health facility imports done were the best data that was available. You can find more or less the same data in the Government's Carte Sanitaire (Haiti Health Map, http://j.mp/cartesanitaire if I remember the shortlink right) (which is no excuse to dump crappy data to OSM...) This includes hospitals in the middle of the ocean, which I've usually dragged closer to the shore :) ... Now what to do with these you ask? Good question. I personally haven't removed the amenity=hospital tags even though they _are_ polluting the map as you say. When trying to improve things by my self I've tried to move nodes closer to what I'm guessing may be the place where the health facility is -- if I have any clue. The thing is that there may very well be _some_ heath facility in the area as I have found out by asking about the existence / locations of a number of facilities from health sector people I know. I've adjusted a number of health facility locations with locals / people with local knowledge and this has usually been very ad hoc let's look at the map since you know the area and you can tell me if these facilities exist somewhere in the area so we can adjust the locations and information. If the amenity=hospital tag is removed this kind of fixing can not happen. .. Also, deleting the main tag would simply hide the problem and significantly(?) increase the risk of someone entering a new node of the facility and nobody spotting the duplicate afterwards. So, rather than deleting the main tag I try to tag them with FIXME=survey location/existence or something alike. I guess I adhere here to the though of: Better roughly right than precisely wrong -- or not there at all even though the health facilities (including some of the by-now-non-existing cholera treatment facilities, btw!) are polluting the map and are annoying... As you can see, I have no clear solution/suggestion to the problem. Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anyone?? Cheers, -Jaakko P.S. This issue relates also to other quake response data added en-masse to OSM soon after the quake: I've recently nuked a ton of collapsed building nodes (a surprisingly large share of which were not collapsed to begin with, btw -- just normal Haitian unfinished constructions looking like collapsed for unexperienced remote mappers..). There's similar issue with mudslides (being in reality just typical soil erosion), etc. P.P.S. HOT list has an partly related active topic on the issue of natural hazards in OSM. Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Brian Wolford worldwidewolf...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:03:40 To: Talk-HT@OSMtalk-ht@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ht] incorrect health facility imports ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
[Talk-ht] Pas des edits pour 4(?) jours -- Fw: [OSM-talk] It has begun
Dear all, Ce n'est pas possible de editer OSM pour environ 4 jour. Quel q'un qui parle ( ecrire) francoise meilleur que moi peux expliquer plus, mais I'll y'a deux choses qui passe: - change de serveur - change de license de OSM data Si Tinono lire cette ca list: est-ce que tu pourrait contacter quel'qun (moi, Fred, Nicolas, Sev, Guens) pour verifier que tu accepte le change de license. -- So, the database is read only for a couple of days now. Mapping efforts can focus now on data gathering, reading the fine manuals / learning, etc. Cheers, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh --Original Message-- From: Toby Murray To: Talk@OSM Subject: [OSM-talk] It has begun Sent: Apr 1, 2012 03:17 OSM is in read-only mode as of 8:02 UTC. Looking at the minutely replication files, this was the last changeset to upload: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11173886 Let's all wish the hard working admins good luck. Toby ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
[OSM-talk] Bookmarklets for easier viewing of user contributions or object history (node or way)
Hi all, Sorry for cross-posting but I got so thrilled about creating my first ever bookmarklets as well as my first OSM Diary entries that I can't help but posting this to y'all who might be interested... From #OSM IRC chat: Since I got good feedback about the bookmarklets I created for Your OSM Heatmap and HDYC, here's a link to my OSM diary note about them: http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh/diary/16569 -- my 1st OSM Diary entry, yai! and I also created a bookmarklet viewing OSM object's (node or way) Deep History (from the object info page): http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh/diary/16587 I don't know how what would be the easiest way to embed JavaScript bookmarklets to a web page (it didn't work in the OSM Diary, seemed to jam the system). But copying the text is just a tiny step more. Cheers from Haiti, -Jaakko *-- En francoise a la Google Translate --* Salut à tous, Désolé pour le cross-posting, mais je me suis tellement ravie de la création de mon premier bookmarklets jamais aussi bien que mes premières entrées de journal OSM que je ne peux m'empêcher de poster ce à vous tous qui pourraient être intéressés ... De # OSM chat IRC: Depuis que j'ai de bons commentaires sur les bookmarklets j'ai créé pour votre OSMHeatmap et HDYC, voici un lien vers ma note le journal OSM à leur sujet:http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh/diary/16569 - ma 1ère entrée du journal OSM , yai! et J'ai également créé un bookmarklet visualisation OSM objet (noeud ou voie) Histoire de Deep (à partir de la page d'info objet): http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh/diary/16587 Je ne sais pas comment ce serait le moyen le plus facile à intégrer bookmarklets JavaScript dans une page web (il ne fonctionne pas dans le Journal de l'OSM, semblaità la confiture le système). Mais la copie du texte est juste une petite étape de plus. Salut de Haïti, Jaakko- -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-us] Duplicates in data uploads (using JOSM) -- was: Re: [Imports] Uploads to City of Salisbury, MD
With previous large uploads I have experience the same behaviour resulting in massive dupes. So I guess it is not a conversion issue. I don't have experience with conversions nor (mass) imports -- but I _have_ had massive dupes problems a number of times when uploading larger amounts of data with JOSM over a bad connection. The problem has always been related to the combination of large uploads and bad connections where (if I understand right) the JOSM data upload connection gets a hick-up at some point and isn't able to finish the job -- and doesn't leave a note for itself where it was left of. Then, because of reasons I don't _exactly_ understand there's duplication of data on the next upload(s (attempts)). My vague understanding is that this is due to at least the fact that JOSM uploads nodes first and only after that the information about ways (i.e. which nodes belong to which ways). And then when it hasn't gotten or confirmation for succesful uploads (or it hasn't recorded that to it's data file(?)) it considers the uploaded nodes to still be new at next upload(s (attempts)). I feel that duplication sometimes happens also to partial uploads where the ways have uploaded, too, resulting in duplicate uploaded ways but I haven't documented this well enough to say this solidly. If you have a bad connection / feel that this may be your problem it is a good idea to tweak the JOSM Advanced upload settings (Upload Advanced tab: Upload data in chunks of objects. Chunk size: , where is your number of objects per chunk. I use 200 in with my Haitian connection. Cheers, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Marc Zoss marcz...@gmail.com wrote: Nick and Josh thanks for the clarification on your upload strategy. With previous large uploads I have experience the same behaviour resulting in massive dupes. So I guess it is not a conversion issue. If you want me to commit the remove duplicates changeset, I can do so. But you will have to go through the data subsequently and check if the issues are resolved and no new ones emerged. M On 22.03.2012, at 14:12, Nick Chamberlain wrote: Josh and Marc, Thank you! I apologize that I'm unable to speak the OSM language as well as everyone, I'm working on it :) I posted on the Salisbury, Maryland Import page that Josh created to give more detail about my uploads. I didn't really think that I created so many duplicates, because I did a lot of things in JOSM before I actually chose to upload. One thing I know for sure is that I didn't I upload until I was actually able to - I was getting a proxy error and the uploads were timing out when I attempted to upload the entire batch. I assumed that these attempts were unsuccessful, which I might be wrong about and might have resulted in duplication. I assumed that my successful attempts started, maybe @ 10901673, when I realized I needed to break the original shapefile up tabularly into percentiles and upload 10 segments of the building footprint dataset, one after the other. These were all definitely successful, and were only done once per percentile. Josh, where are you finding the list of changesets in the format you posted? I can only figure out how to list them in my editor profile with my comments. If you believe that the method you mention that removes the 71,000 nodes is the best approach, please feel free to do so. I will also gladly manually fix the inner ring tagging issue as the data gets fixed. Please let me know what I can do to help. I am also willing to share the .osm files and/or shapefiles if that will help. Thanks. - Nick -Original Message- From: joshthephysic...@gmail.com [mailto:joshthephysic...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Josh Doe Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:51 AM To: Marc Zoss Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org; talk-us@openstreetmap.org; Nick Chamberlain Subject: Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] Uploads to City of Salisbury, MD On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Marc Zoss marcz...@gmail.com wrote: I briefly downloaded all sby:bldgtype-tagged ways and relation of Maryland through the overpass-api. Then removed the ones having only a sby:bldgtype tag, run the validator and deleted the duplicated nodes and ways. This would result in a changeset to remove the roughly 71'000 duplicates nodes and ways. If the area was edited since the import and reverting gets tricky, this might be the option to go, at least the result looks ok at the first glance. Please also note that the conversion step seems to add a building=yes tag on on inner ring of building polygons () which is certainly bad tagging, despite the correct rendering (52 occurrences, so could be fixed manually). Thanks for doing that, as that was the next step I was going to try. I
[Talk-ht] Tip to Problem re-activating Natcom data plan
Salut tous, Since there is an increasing number of people on this list using a Natcom data connection in a way or another related to mapping activities here's a little tip for fixing the problem of re-activating a data plan (eg. Brian and I have both tried to re-activate without success - getting a system not available error message and with Natcom's phone tech support not being able to help). So! Solution for problem reactivating Natcom data plan: 1) Sms: off to 132 + confirm with yes when prompted 2) Reactivate plan, eg. Unlimited with: Sms: mu to 132 + confirm with yes when prompted Essentailly u just turn off the data plan first with the OFF command and then re-activate what ever plan u want (MU, M1, M5, etc). And u always need to confirm by sending YES as a confirmation to the request (when prompted by sms reply by the system. Thanks to Bully for pulling this information out of Natcom tech support guy in the Petion-Ville office (18.51508,-72.28378)! Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps
Jaime wrote: My guess is that, at least in my area, they are mixing OSM geometries and names with -very poor- labels from other source. ... Which would mean that (mixing and matching data in an area) they should be contributing back to OSM, eih? Would that poor old local name of Madrid be old_alt_loc_name=[whatever] in OSM terms?? -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:47:00 To: Iván Sánchez Ortegai...@sanchezortega.es Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps El día 8 de marzo de 2012 02:05, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es escribió: On Jueves, 8 de Marzo de 2012 01:41:22 andrzej zaborowski escribió: Great :) -- Madrid is rendered with a name worthy of a map prank, although it would fit loc_name too. I'm guessing that's an old toponym, now deleted from OSM. But we Madrileños refer to our city as that sometimes :-) My guess is that, at least in my area, they are mixing OSM geometries and names with -very poor- labels from other source. I would bet that some of these wrong names were never on our database (city names and neigbourhoods) -- Jaime Crespo ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data
Umh. Of course other (as in any) maps can be used for _some_ level of verification (such as: oh, there seems to b a rd here! I should go out and survey that!) -- Or should I rather say navigation to help in one's own surveying. I'd be very very surprised if let's say any new company in the maps business doing their survey of roads would not be doing it based on other providers maps. They'd send out cars with GPSs to just randomly drive around the country?? Unlikely. Rather, they'd buy a Garmin/TomTom/WhatNot and drive all the roads on that, make their own notes of the road classifications, etc details, and build their map data based on that. It's only(?) crowd-sourced community-created maps like OSM, Waze, etc that have (some) patience in building their map road by road (and even these do imports -- and keep eyes open when looking at other maps). Perhaps we're going into nitty-gritty over the term verification, here? Cheers from Haiti, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 21:40:41 To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Feedback requested ... OSM Poland data Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes: If we were to say we don't think verifying data creates a derived work, would the great mass of OSM mappers be content to see Google (for example) use our effort to determine where new streets are; send the StreetView cars/satellites out; and have the new streets on Google Maps within a couple of days? More to the point, would OSMF be happy for mappers to do the reverse operation, using Google Maps as a guide to where to go out and resurvey? If OSMF makes a statement that verifying data doesn't create a derived work, it must do so only on the basis of justifiable legal opinions, which are publicly reviewable. Anything else would not be a statement of belief about the law, but a special exemption or extra permission outside the normal licence, which cannot be done without a 2/3 vote. If OSMF does decide, after careful consideration of the legal evidence, that verifying data does not create a derived work under copyright or related rights, then a necessary consequence is that OSM mappers will be able to make use of other maps to verify their work, just as UMP will be able to use OSM. All this goes away if the OSM map continues to be published under CC-BY-SA in parallel with ODbL. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Recommendations for cheap passive GPS trackers / vehicle mountable GPS loggers?
Hi there, There was a thread a while ago on GPS loggers but I'd have a slightly modified question on the same field: Could someone recommend essentially GPS logger solutions that would be temporarily installed in vehicles for gathering information for preferrably a week, two or even three for every 1-2 meters the vehicle drives. In my vocabulary (working with active tracking systems) this would be a passive tracking system, which I don't know details for. The idea is/would be to find cars that are driving actively around Haiti or/and the capital area and record their tracks into GPS traces so we could verify the road network. A standard GPS logger with a power source (I already have a stack of 12V usb power sources) might work but option for external GPS antenna would be a plus. My quickish searching didn't return any concrete cases for mapping use. Tracking yes but I'd love to hear of any experience for mapping purposes. Any recommendations? Thanks, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign
I don't remap because I lack official and final rules (and tool(s)) for what needs to be remapped. +1 In addition to this my other reasons are: * Limited time vs. Possibility to reduce re-mapping needs by undecided accepting the new license+CTs. Toby has clearly detailed how powerful this _may_ be. (Note-to-self: 2do) * Possibility of considering undecided as accepted (if they don't respond) due to the listed imho good reasons (that, in essence, many if not most undecided don't know of the change and assumingly would accept if they would know) (note-to-OSMF: 2consider) * the above (and other) undecided impacts to remapping in cases where features have been mapped over time by a mix of accepted, declined and undecided mappers. I may well not understand something of the big picture here but I think it could be a good idea to have at least a month or two of time between the time when undecideds are considered accepted and before the switch/cleanup is done in the data, would be imho good to be combined with what someone suggested as stating clearly that if those who are undecided and don't respond now will complain later then the cleanup of their data will happen later than sooner (as the community's time permits). This would (hopefully) dis-encourage those who everyone knows will not accept the license change (and who know about it) but who are not declining for whatever reason. Cheers from sunny Haiti, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Václav ehák rehak...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:32:55 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign Therefore I can't see any reason that all OSM contributors are not madly remapping right now, whether from an armchair of foot/bike/car. I don't remap because I lack official and final rules for what needs to be remapped. In my neighborhood there are many tainted roads that will cause the network to break and I tried to remap one street. I found that I don't know a) whether to replace node without tags created by decliner it the node was moved from the original position b) whether moving all nodes and checking all tags make way clean or I need to delete it and recreate c) how to remap a way and don't break the relations etc. And most importantly, I need a tool that tells me if the state of the map after applying my changeset is clean or not. For this reasons I'm not remapping and waiting for more informed mappers to do it or for OSMF to delete the data they don't like so I can than fix it being 100% sure what needs to be done. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [CrisisMappers] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
(Added talk-ht@osm as that might well reach some ppl involved that the other lists don't.) Having bn part of the below-mentioned #OSM IRC discussion (finally using irc after 15 years of avoiding, ayii!) Here's my 2 cents: The OSM Haiti data's v1 odbl complient edit rates for nodes and ways are 68% and 54%, respectively. v1+last edit comopliency rates are 89 and 95%, respectively. These figures r for data of the whole island and the losses in DR are _significantly_ higher. That will have a partial impact on e.g. Local OpenGeo-related economic activity, which has a direct link with local sustainable hunanitarian activities and all data activity on the Haitian side. In any case the direct impact is -- in my guesstimate -- to at least a quarter of Haiti data. And the viability of OSM will take a clear hit because of this. And that impacts humanitarian use without a doubt. Unless there's a renewed interest to help remap Haiti from the community -- or(/and) the data damage is limited in some ways. The thing is that we (in and currently actively involved with Haiti mapping) are limited in capacity to do more advanced data loss mitigation and I think also the capacity to remap is limited in a number of ways. So, having heard that some gave and got a special right to allow retaining his data in OSM for a given bbox _in the U.S._ I don't see why we wouldn't try that in Haiti as well as other humanitarian operations areas. With best regards from Haiti, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Larry O'Neill larryone...@gmail.com Sender: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:23:10 To: hoth...@openstreetmap.org; crisismapp...@googlegroups.com; OSM Talktalk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Subject: [CrisisMappers] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions. Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
This is kick-ass great, again. Dead-simple way to create areas to follow. I love it how easy it is to create the polygons -- and get the plain txt coordinates for them. Could this polygon tool pt b integrated w OWL? Can someone give guidance on visualizing the feed content? I'm copying this to both hot talk-ht as I just yesterday talked w Nico Brian about (and pulled hair out of my head due to) following edits in defined areas and know that this will help many operations on the field. I'll send the polygons later, Mike. Thnx! And cheers from the bumpy rds of PaP, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:57:59 To: openstreetmap Openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe I didn't take it that way, Serge, but thank you. To be honest I didn't really think about OWL and ITOWorld when writing this. I was just looking for a minimally useful thing that handled polygons smoothly and was fast to set up. I was motivated by the potential needs of US users like Learon Dalby, who spoke at the Atlanta SOTM-US about his need for a way to see changes in Arkansas so that he could notify county GIS managers about them and make appropriate corrections to government data. Administrative boundaries are large, irregular shapes, and OWL seemed to be focused on small urban areas (correct me if I'm wrong about this). Mikel: I'm using Atom; can I just namespace GeoRSS into an Atom feed and have it work? Are bounding boxes for changesets the most useful thing, because I'm using node positions to calculate intersections. -mike. On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I received some feedback that I was not very positive on this project. If my question came out that way, I want to publicly correct this perception. I find this code very exciting, and can see several potential uses for it already. - Serge On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ht] [CrisisMappers] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
(Added talk-ht@osm as that might well reach some ppl involved that the other lists don't.) Having bn part of the below-mentioned #OSM IRC discussion (finally using irc after 15 years of avoiding, ayii!) Here's my 2 cents: The OSM Haiti data's v1 odbl complient edit rates for nodes and ways are 68% and 54%, respectively. v1+last edit comopliency rates are 89 and 95%, respectively. These figures r for data of the whole island and the losses in DR are _significantly_ higher. That will have a partial impact on e.g. Local OpenGeo-related economic activity, which has a direct link with local sustainable hunanitarian activities and all data activity on the Haitian side. In any case the direct impact is -- in my guesstimate -- to at least a quarter of Haiti data. And the viability of OSM will take a clear hit because of this. And that impacts humanitarian use without a doubt. Unless there's a renewed interest to help remap Haiti from the community -- or(/and) the data damage is limited in some ways. The thing is that we (in and currently actively involved with Haiti mapping) are limited in capacity to do more advanced data loss mitigation and I think also the capacity to remap is limited in a number of ways. So, having heard that some gave and got a special right to allow retaining his data in OSM for a given bbox _in the U.S._ I don't see why we wouldn't try that in Haiti as well as other humanitarian operations areas. With best regards from Haiti, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Larry O'Neill larryone...@gmail.com Sender: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:23:10 To: hoth...@openstreetmap.org; crisismapp...@googlegroups.com; OSM Talkt...@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Subject: [CrisisMappers] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions. Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en. ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
This is kick-ass great, again. Dead-simple way to create areas to follow. I love it how easy it is to create the polygons -- and get the plain txt coordinates for them. Could this polygon tool pt b integrated w OWL? Can someone give guidance on visualizing the feed content? I'm copying this to both hot talk-ht as I just yesterday talked w Nico Brian about (and pulled hair out of my head due to) following edits in defined areas and know that this will help many operations on the field. I'll send the polygons later, Mike. Thnx! And cheers from the bumpy rds of PaP, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:57:59 To: openstreetmap Openstreetmapt...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe I didn't take it that way, Serge, but thank you. To be honest I didn't really think about OWL and ITOWorld when writing this. I was just looking for a minimally useful thing that handled polygons smoothly and was fast to set up. I was motivated by the potential needs of US users like Learon Dalby, who spoke at the Atlanta SOTM-US about his need for a way to see changes in Arkansas so that he could notify county GIS managers about them and make appropriate corrections to government data. Administrative boundaries are large, irregular shapes, and OWL seemed to be focused on small urban areas (correct me if I'm wrong about this). Mikel: I'm using Atom; can I just namespace GeoRSS into an Atom feed and have it work? Are bounding boxes for changesets the most useful thing, because I'm using node positions to calculate intersections. -mike. On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I received some feedback that I was not very positive on this project. If my question came out that way, I want to publicly correct this perception. I find this code very exciting, and can see several potential uses for it already. - Serge On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] whitewashing nodes without tags
Q: what would be copyrightable from this? A: Nothing (imho). Copyright protects (a specific) form, not an idea (or so I was taught at IPR 101 at my university in Finland; in case the country matters in this case). And even the form must meet originality the criteria (if that's the proper term in English). Surely some could argue that Dec1 had the idea of nodes (in that area, or something) but that is hardly of any originality within a mapping project, or outside of it for that matter. But copyright wouldn't protect that anyways. Someone (such as Dec1) such as could also claim that Dec1 did a heck of a job collecting data on that way and Ac2 only moved his/her nodes to remove the copyright. I'd ask: source tags (on the objects or changesets)? But is hard work (of collecting geo data / converting it database entries) copyrightable)? This brings us to _one_ of the core reasons of changing the license (unless I've completely misunderstood something, of course)! And that is that: In a global project like OSM we must be able to get whatever protection it is we want to get everywhere and not just in one(/some) place(s) -- and copyright doesn't do that because what is copyrightable varies from country to country. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:13:00 To: Licensing and other legal discussions.legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] whitewashing nodes without tags I know that some variants of this topic already have been under discussion, but I'd like to add another version to it, where I believe that indeed there will be no copyright left by the declining mapper. Three mappers Ac1, Ac2 (acceptors) and Dec1 (decliner) edit an object: 1. Ac1 creates a highway or any other way (i.e. a way with nodes and tags on the way). 2. Dec1 adds nodes to the highway/way (no tag modification) 3. Ac2 moves the nodes of the way (interesting for us only the ones from Dec1) For all nodes that Ac2 has touched (moved or added tags to them) I would expect that it doesn't matter if Dec1 had created them, because anyway there is no information from him left. This might be interpreted differently if Dec1 would have also created the way, and surely if he added tags, but if he only added nodes, and they are no longer on their original position because Ac2 has moved them, what would be copyrightable from this? cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Moderating / Quality checking OSM contributions -- was: Re: OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model
This is precisely what I've seen in Haiti and discussed with a number of the local contributors, too. That is: as the contributors' tech-savvyness decreases we see a clear hike in various sorts of data problems. Bundle that with not-so-large active user base (of people who do quality fixing) and you have a problematic situation at hand. There were some really good replies earlier (imho) to the questions of moderation/quality_checking (I think this was a little while after SoTM -- check talk@osm archive if u missed them and are interested). What I'd love to see and what the contributors here would also want to have is a system where contributors can flag their edits with something that would que the changesets in question to an (open) review stack. This kind of review que wouldn't actually moderate anything but would simply flag the changesets for review (quality ensurance, if u may). This should most certainly b opt-in in general but imho it could and should b used used as default for eg situations where osm is taught in the classroom. I'd also very much like to see some (open) mechanism where users that cause problems time and again could be flagged like this. Not having _something_ like this is a major problem. Example: I just spent nearly half day yesterday fixing one beginner's mess in PaP and am seeing that wasting time on things like this eats badly from the time that people who end up fixing them could have for creating neat things for OSM be it fixing/creating tools or partnerships, coordinating, or actual mapping. Since I'm not a developer I can't unfortunately create anything that would solve the problem. But could someone tell me how much it would/could cost to create something that would? I want to emphasize that this is something that not only the more advanced people would like to have (in the hopes that it would give them more time for doing something more useful, essentially, to b more productive for the project) but it's also what many regular mappers have specifically asked for (in Haiti) as they don't want to break things. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:52:54 To: Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com Cc: openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org; Aun Johnsenli...@gimnechiske.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model hi all my idea about this program, because we teach contributor, and they are start from 15 years old. every of them must contribute to the map server, and if the map data is not ok, or they remove the data.. i believe that will be nightmare, if hundreds student do mistake. but .. i think also wasting time, if we must redo what they did www.facebook.com/meruvian to know what will we do? F On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:11 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: 2) Post-process the diff files to change the id of any new elements to a negative value. This is simply a matter of multiplying the id by -1 if the element's version attribute is 1. Naive question here: so the OSM copy ends up with negative numbers? Isn't that bad? Also, in any case, you end up with different IDs in the two databases, no? Or do you then also update the ID in the source database to be negative as well, and then reset the id counter? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] You've downloaded too much data
Would someone know if there's any problem w OSM servers right now? We're having a training in Haiti (for mobile money agent mappers) and the server refuses download with error code 509. I first thought, and partially still do, that this was/is due to ten students using the same ip-address(?) to access OSM (many via Potlatch). ... But when the same problem came up after connecting via an Android-powered mobile wifi hotspot to a different service provider I'm tempted to think that there's some other problem. Any ideas? Thanks, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Friends
Maybe we should allow teenage users to shoot nude pictures of themselves, upload, and share with friends. Or maybe, just maybe, some of the blessed developers who know Rails well enough could help make connecting with other mappers easier/smoother/even_delightful So, +1 for Martijn's idea(s). Cheers from Haiti (where challenges in connecting with other mappers in a way that works is one major obstacle in creating a vibrant mapping community), -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Frederik Ramm To: Talk@OSM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Friends Sent: Nov 30, 2011 15:18 Hi, On 11/30/2011 09:06 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: * Whether the friendee is notified about being friended by another user. Yes, because I have had complaints from people being friended by a known obnoxious community member whom nobody wanted to be friends with ;) And most importantly: * How could the OSM friend concept be made more meaningful? Not every non-meaningful feature must be made more meaningful. Burying such a feature is also an option ;) * Integrate with other social networks (find OSM friends through Twitter / Facebook / ...) * Being able to group-send messages to your friends. * Having friend groups I realize that these are some pretty big ideas Personally I would consider none of them useful but maybe that's because I just don't get social. Maybe we should allow teenage users to shoot nude pictures of themselves, upload, and share with friends. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Map of nearby users
I've had the same problem on Windows I think both XP as well as Vista/Win7, at least XP and I think both on Chrome as well as Firefox (at least Chrome). +1 for the desire to (batch) send msgs to all mappers near you. I'd also love to see more mappers around me. It seems to be currently limited to somewhat smallish number. Thanks to whoever has developed the current functionality and thanks in advance to that/those who will, perhaps one day, develop this further. Cheers, -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Martijn van Exel To: Talk@OSM Subject: [OSM-talk] Map of nearby users Sent: Oct 29, 2011 11:11 Hi all, Looking at the map of nearby users on my osm.org user page, I notice that the bubbles that appear when I hover over another user don't stick, so I can't click on the user to send her/him a message. This is on recent Firefox on Ubuntu. Is this happening for other people as well? First clicking on the marker does not help. Also, it would be nice to be able to send a message to all near you (to advertise a mapping party for example, or to draw attention to a mapping issue). Is there already some way to do this? Thanks Martijn -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Will OSM tiles be CC-0 soon?
Getting off-topic-ish but to clarify: CC-0 is the equivalent of public domain (zero rights reserved). My understanding is that this was introduced because many countries don't have the concept of public domain as it exists e.g. in the American legislation. CC-0 enables the creators of creative works in such countries to give up _all_ the copyrights, including the need for attribution, in a standardized, simple, contractual/licensing way. Cheers, -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Erik Johansson To: li...@humanleg.org.uk Cc: Talk@OSM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Will OSM tiles be CC-0 soon? Sent: Oct 26, 2011 09:51 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 15:32, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Wednesday 26 October 2011, Erik Johansson wrote: the tiles produced by OSMF servers can have any license with attribution Hold on, I'm a bit confused here - CC-0 does not require attribution AFAICT. Good to know, sorry for the confusion.. :-) I just assumed that CC would require attribution for all licenses. Moral rights being what they are. -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The Open Source OpenStreetMap Book
I don't have a good enough internet access at hand here but a few thoughts: * excellent! * if/since u go the open source way for the book (which LearnOSM.org is too, eih?): - would it make any sense to still keep it in a/the wiki and go the WikiTravel way creating an OSM version. Of the WikiTravelPress where a designated set of wikipages is set to create a book(let) that can b ordered from Amazon with the latest (in WikiTravel I think it's approximately monthly??) updates. ... MediaWiki's wiki-to-PDF feature/plugin(?) would b a good addition to the selection palette (not sure if the osm currently has that..). Good stuff, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:24:51 To: talk...@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmaptalk...@openstreetmap.org; OSM Talktalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] The Open Source OpenStreetMap Book ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-ht] MappingHaitiCamp this Saturday (October 15) at ESIH
Dear You/All interested in mapping, maps of Haiti (how to find/use them), geo-information, GIS systems, etc. In the spirit of open communities, open source and making the only the best map of Haiti http://j.mp/osm-ht even better a *MappingHaitihttp://mappinghaiti.posterous.com Camp* -- a combination-event of OpenStreetMap (the free map of the World) Mapping Party http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_parties and BarCamphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp -- will be hosted *this Saturday, October 15, from 10am to 3pm at Ecole Supérieur d'Infotronique d'Haiti (ESIH) * *Address*: 29, deuxième ruelle Nazon, Port-au-Prince *Map*: http://j.mp/osm-esih + *Coordinates*: 18.54069, -72.31952 This is the first MappingHaitiCamp (to be arranged every month after this) so what it will turn out to be is to be seen. The main ingredients of a Mapping Party + BarCamp = MappingHaitiCamp are: * *Mapping Party*: - Understanding what OpenStreetMap is and how it enables anyone and everyone to map their neighborhood, city, country .. and the world. - Actually mapping your world (we will start with the neighborhood we are at ;) with on-the-ground survey and editing of the collected data. .. You can also edit the map of your favorite area if you wish (home, school, work, work projects, etc). As you can see from the above map link the OpenStreetMap map of the ESIH surroundings (and most of Haiti) is already quite good. But no worries, there is a _lot_ to still work on, to add to the map, to fix, etc. OpenStreetMap is a wonderfully flexible map platform that encourages adding any real-world physical objects into it from roads to footpaths to walls to individual streetlights and trees to schools, restaurants, hotels, (all) buildings including huts and shelters to rivers and streams to practically anything else! * *BarCamp atmosphere* means that all participants are equal makers of the event. In the beginning of the event anyone can and everyone is encouraged to suggest what they would like to see happen that day. This broadens the theme from mapping only to the any mapping-related and geo-information systems (GIS) issue. What kinds of map services would you like to see in Haiti? How can we set them up? How can collaboration between various organizations working in with mapping related issues be improved? How to make paper maps out of digital maps and how to find and use maps in general? It is fundamentally important that You as a participant understand that You are just as important piece in creating this event (and the future events as anyone else). I have initiated this event, Patrick Attié of ESIH has been kind to offer space, internet connection and computers in the class rooms for the event, local mappers from Communitaire OpenStreetMap d'Haiti (COSMHA) are coming to help newcomers learn mapping faster (than they would by themselves). But it is only through the active participation of all of You that we can make this and future mapping events not just good but great. For example: I am not fluent in French and don't unfortunately speak Creole. If you want to (properly) translate any parts of this invitation (or write your own invitation text) in French or Creole, please do so! What do you need? A: Bring (if you have): - pen and paper - laptop - digital camera (helps in documenting on-the-ground surveying, mobile phone camera is often good enough) - GPS or a smartphone with a GPS (iPhone, Android, many of the Nokia/Symbian models) - a compass (that can help people who are not good in reading maps to learn reading maps) If you want to dive into OSM / mapping before Saturday you can do so by either diving into the OSM Wiki at http://wiki.osm.org or perhaps a more compact point-of-entry would be the recently published LearnOSM: Beginner's Guide to OSM, which is available freely at http://www.learnosm.org/beginners-guide/ (in HTML as well as a hefty 37 page, 43MB PDF document). Light snack in the form of water bread w/ peanut butter jam will be server during the event. Please pass on this invitation to anyone you think could be interested to join or knows people who could be interested to join us. Please also RSVP if you are coming to the event either at the Facebook event page http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=173137986104264, adding a comment to this invitation at http://mappinghaiti.posterous.com or by replying me (/sending email to jaa...@helleranta.com). I hope to see you on Saturday and/or in the mapping events to come! -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Ps. All interested in mapping haiti, please add yourself to the Mapping Haiti Facebook group http://j.mp/mappinghaiti-facebook to help with communicating and connecting. == EN KREOLE (par Google Translate) == Chè Ou Tout enterese nan kat, kat nan Ayiti (ki jan yo jwenn / sèvi ak yo), Geo enfòmasyon-, sistèm GIS, elatriye Nan Lespri Bondye a nan kominote louvri, sous louvri epi fè sèlman kat la ki pi bon an Ayiti menm pi bon yon MappingHaitiCamp
[OSM-talk] Helping mappers feel comfortable about their contributions / quality control
Hi, Some thoughts regarding various discussions about quality control / mechanisms in OSM: We (Seb and I) had a brief discussion yesterday with one of the advanced Haitian mappers about what improvements the locals would like to see in OSM tools to make their contributing to the project easier / more fluent. One of the first things that came out was a request to have some sort of edit review system for anyone who doesn't feel super comfortable about their edits when sending them (or for those mappers' edits that the group would like to have reviewed before uploading). This is pretty much exactly what Ian suggested in the Barriers of Entry thread the other day. Interestingly I got a personal experience in using such a tool just a moment ago when I read a system message from Google Map Maker regarding my approved edit in Map Maker. I've attached the message below for reference. Now, I obviously don't know how the Google system works (more than what I can see). But what I saw when making the edit is that there is a part (that I think all must fill - for all edited/added features, afaik) that asks the contributor how confident they are about the edit(s): Very much so, pretty confident, somewhat confident, I'm just guessing - or something along those lines. I think this makes all the sense in the world. So, in short: 1) It would be really great if we could cater to the Haitian mappers and all others who would rather have someone review their edits before they are uploaded (or at least have a flag system for review requests). I'd love to use such system for my own edits, too, at times! 2) A confidence level indicator either on node/element edit level or perhaps on changeset level (or something else?) would also be nice -- combined with / linked to above-mentioned (optional) review system. I think having something like this will become imperative if OSM wants to / ends up expanding its contributor base significantly. Cheers from Haiti, -Jaakko -- Forwarded message -- From: ** Date: Monday, September 12, 2011 Subject: Map Maker review alert To: Jaakko H. Dear Jaakko H. Your changehttp://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=55editids=8Fvpi8vIqqywJA2G6Tiwloc=0_0t=hdtab=overviewhas been Approved by Google Reviewer Thom, a trusted reviewer but will be looked at by other reviewers. *Comments:* *Hi, thanks for the edit. This should also be marked Enclosed Traffic Area/Parking under segment usage because this is a parking lot. I can fix this for you. For more info on attributes go here: http://goo.gl/eXR7q .* Click here to replyhttp://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=55editids=8Fvpi8vIqqywJA2G6Tiwloc=0_0t=hdtab=moderate [image: Enable display of images to see the map.] http://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=55editids=8Fvpi8vIqqywJA2G6Tiwloc=0_0t=hdtab=overview This change has total 1 approvals and 0 denials *Previous comments:* * added parking aisle to USPS office * (by you) -- Google Map Maker -- -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry
I very much like Ian's idea. Coincidentally I talked about this with some people at SotM. It seems to me that a number of people have started editing osm after a significant delay because they've felt the barriers badly (both regarding tools and technical creation of the map as well as fear of breaking the data). I remember these fears / issues being one cause for my delayed start to contributing to osm. Now, what if we had a more or less obviously optional (opt-out) graduated access scheme? What if we simply required the promise of users to say that I know how to edit this that feature, Sure I understand what tertiary roads are over unclassified/residential -- and I promise not to tag all roads I edit with tertiary!, I'll definitely look into empty nodes history before deleting them to make sure that no one has deleted the tags by accident, or Of course I won't mess up the coastline. Etc. What if we simply trusted that people can recognize when they are able to do certain types of more difficult edits? There could also be an I'd love it if someone more experienced (or self-confident) could double check that my edits are ok before they get submitted to the live database! option. Since there were multiple people at SotM who think they would have started editing sooner than they ended up doing I'm wondering how many people there r out there that have signed up but have never made an edit that could already have made edits if we would have such options in place? I'm also pretty confident that such options, even when set to be voluntary, could reduce some common quality problems. Cheers from Haiti (which I think would benefit from some of the above mentioned options), jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:02:08 To: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmeng.grem...@cetest.nl Cc: Talk Openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-ht] Welcome to OpenStreetMap's Haiti talk email list! * Byenveni nan Ayiti lis OpenStreetMap nan imel pale (talk-ht)! * Bienvenue à la liste d'OpenStreetMap Haïti email parler (talk-ht)!
FYI all: I just created this welcome message for the talk-ht list. - Cher tous: Je just cree le bienvenue message bas (que toutes les personnes qui souscriver pour le list va recoir quand ils souscrive). Si tu veux traduire cette message meilleur, c'est bon (et s'il te plait et fait ca), si non, ce la-bas peux etre soufficement :) Cheers, -Jaakko -- * Welcome to OpenStreetMap's Haiti talk email list! * Byenveni nan Ayiti lis OpenStreetMap nan imel pale (talk-ht)! * Bienvenue à la liste d'OpenStreetMap Haïti email parler (talk-ht)! -- * Welcome to OpenStreetMap's Haiti talk email list! Before I forget: remember to check out the OSM Wiki project Haiti page at http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti. So: This list exists to facilitate coordination of mapping activities in Haiti and the whole island (until there is a separate talk-do(minican republic) list). The language of the list: Please feel free to post here with any of the main languages of the island that you feel comfortable with. It is desired that you would also translate your message to Haitian Creole, English, and French ( http://translate.google.com is sufficient). In case a message is not translated the same tool obviously works for your translating the message into the language you prefer. ... Please not that Gmail has a feature that allows translating emails with a simple click of a button directly from the message view (Options Mail settings Labs : Message Translation). This Gmail tool is highly recommended for any and all people who do not speak all the languages that they get exposed to via email :) . Topics: Feel free to ask _any_ questions regarding mapping of Haiti / Hispanola and the tools to do it. While this is an OpenStreetMap list there is no reason that we can't try to help those who are mapping Haiti via other projects. (If such traffic would ever get too common we can create a new list for such other topics.) So, welcome again on behalf of me / whoever happens to be the owner/moderator of the list when you join it -- and the whole mapping community in Haiti! Have fun! -Jaakko (http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh) Ps. One handy short link to the basic OSM map of Haiti is http://j.mp/osm-ht(as in jump to osm haiti) -- * Byenveni nan Ayiti lis OpenStreetMap nan imel pale (talk-ht)! Anvan m bliye: sonje yo tcheke soti OSM Wiki pwojè Ayiti paj la nan http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti . Se konsa,: Lis sa a ki egziste fasilite kowòdinasyon nan aktivite kat an Ayiti yo ak tout zile an antye (jiskaske gen yon lis separe talk-do(minican repiblik)). Lang nan lis la: Tanpri, santi yo lib yo Post isit la avèk nenpòt nan lang prensipal yo nan zile a ke ou santi ou konfòtab ak. Li se vle ke ou ta tou tradui mesaj ou a kreyòl ayisyen, angle, ak franse (http://translate.google.com se ase). Nan ka yon mesaj se pa sa tradui zouti nan menm evidamman travay pou ou tradui mesaj la nan lang la ou prefere. ... Tanpri, pa ki Gmail te gen yon mak ki pèmèt tradui Imèl ak yon klike sou senp nan yon bouton ki sòti dirèkteman nan gade nan mesaj (Opsyon Mail anviwònman Labs: Message Creole). Sa a se zouti Gmail trè rekòmande pou nenpòt ki ansanm ak tout moun ki pa pale tout lang yo ke yo jwenn ekspoze a via imel:). Sijè: Santi w lib poze kesyon konsènan _any_ kat nan Ayiti / Hispanola ak zouti yo fè li.Pandan ke sa a se yon lis OpenStreetMap pa gen okenn rezon ke nou pa kapab eseye ede moun ki gewografik Ayiti atravè pwojè ak lòt. (Si tankou trafik ta janm jwenn twò komen nou kapab kreye yon lis nouvo pou sa yo sijè lòt.) Se konsa, akeyi ankò sou non m '/ moun ki va k ap pase yo mèt kay la / moderatè nan lis la lè ou antre nan li - yo ak kominote a kat antye nan Ayiti! Pran plezi! -Jaakko (http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh) PS. Yon lyen sou la men kout kat la OSM de baz yo Ayiti se http://j.mp/osm-ht (tankou nan Ale nan OSM Ayiti) -- * Bienvenue à la liste d'OpenStreetMap Haïti email parler (talk-ht)! Avant que j'oublie: n'oubliez pas de vérifier l'OSM Wiki projet Haïti page à http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti . Donc: Cette liste existe pour faciliter la coordination des activités de cartographie en Haïti et toute l'île (jusqu'à il ya une liste séparée talk-do (do par République _do_minicaine)). La langue de la liste: S'il vous plaît n'hésitez pas à poster ici avec l'une des langues principales de l'île que vous vous sentez à l'aise avec. Il est souhaitable que vous souhaitez également traduire votre message à le créole haïtien, anglais et français (http://translate.google.com est suffisant). Dans le cas d'un message ne se traduit pas le même outil fonctionne évidemment pour votre traduction du message dans la langue que vous préférez. ... S'il vous plaît pas que Gmail a une fonction qui permet de traduire des emails avec un simple clic sur un bouton directement à partir de la vue du message (Options Paramètres de messagerie Labs: Traduction message). Cet outil Gmail est fortement recommandé pour les personnes toute et tous
[Talk-transit] Haiti tap-tap (public transportation) routes starting to show up
As Sebastien informed in his email yesterdayhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/2011-September/001550.html the Haitian OSM community has started to map the local bus (tap-tap) routes in OSM. Thanks to Michael's tiphttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/2011-September/001553.html I found out that Ieskok's OpenMap.lt ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ieskok/OpenMap) is already showing the routes that have been mapped. A shortlink to the Port-au-Prince area in OpenMap.lt with transit layer enabled is http://j.mp/pap-transport Especially if Ienskok is reading this: THANKS from Haiti on behalf of today's Friday mappershttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Mapping_meetups#Vendredi_2ieme_Septembre_.289.2F2.29 ! And thanks to others on the tips, too. Any thoughts from anyone regarding similar mapping projects are most welcomed here. We've found Mikel's mention of the Matatu Mapping http://www.slideshare.net/mikel_maron/osm-transport/32 already (but haven't looked into it much). Cheers, -Jaakko --- en kreole --- Kòm Sebastien enfòme nan yè imel l 'gen ayisyen OSM kominote a te kòmanse kat jeyografik otobis lokal la (tiyo-tiyo) wout nan OSM. Mèsi a pwent Michael sa a, mwen te jwenn deyò ki OpenMap.lt Ieskok a ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ieskok/OpenMap) se deja ki montre wout yo ki te trase. Yon shortlink nan zòn nan Pòtoprens nan OpenMap.lt ak transpò piblik kouch pèmèt se http://j.mp/pap-transport Espesyalman si Ienskok se lekti sa a: TOO ki soti Ayiti sou non kartograf Vandredi jodi a! Ak mèsi yo bay lòt moun sou konsèy yo, tou. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-ht] Haiti tap-tap (public transportation) routes starting to show up
As Sebastien informed in his email yesterdayhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/2011-September/001550.html the Haitian OSM community has started to map the local bus (tap-tap) routes in OSM. Thanks to Michael's tiphttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/2011-September/001553.html I found out that Ieskok's OpenMap.lt ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ieskok/OpenMap) is already showing the routes that have been mapped. A shortlink to the Port-au-Prince area in OpenMap.lt with transit layer enabled is http://j.mp/pap-transport Especially if Ienskok is reading this: THANKS from Haiti on behalf of today's Friday mappershttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Mapping_meetups#Vendredi_2ieme_Septembre_.289.2F2.29 ! And thanks to others on the tips, too. Any thoughts from anyone regarding similar mapping projects are most welcomed here. We've found Mikel's mention of the Matatu Mapping http://www.slideshare.net/mikel_maron/osm-transport/32 already (but haven't looked into it much). Cheers, -Jaakko --- en kreole --- Kòm Sebastien enfòme nan yè imel l 'gen ayisyen OSM kominote a te kòmanse kat jeyografik otobis lokal la (tiyo-tiyo) wout nan OSM. Mèsi a pwent Michael sa a, mwen te jwenn deyò ki OpenMap.lt Ieskok a ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ieskok/OpenMap) se deja ki montre wout yo ki te trase. Yon shortlink nan zòn nan Pòtoprens nan OpenMap.lt ak transpò piblik kouch pèmèt se http://j.mp/pap-transport Espesyalman si Ienskok se lekti sa a: TOO ki soti Ayiti sou non kartograf Vandredi jodi a! Ak mèsi yo bay lòt moun sou konsèy yo, tou. Cheers, -Jaakko -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
[Talk-ht] Mapping Vendredi = demain @ GRU
Hi all, Comme avant nous allons faire le Mapping Meetup a GrassRoots demain pour fixer le qualite de la carte. Le session pour les personnes plus commence a 9am et le session pour les personnes dans le niveau basique / intermediate commence a 1pm. See you tomorrow! - A demain! -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
[Talk-ht] Mapping Friday = Quality Friday -- Transfòmasyon Vandredi = Kalite Vandredi -- Cartographie Vendredi = Qualité vendredi
Dear all, Friday is approaching again, which means that we will be having another Mapping Friday Meetup or Mapping Friday at the GrassRootsUnited. Talking with Seb we came to the conclusion that rather than training something new and doing a little mapping related to the newly learned thing we should focus on working on the various mapping quality related issues to actually improve the map quality. Practice makes perfect and at the end of the day the only way to get inaccuracies and plain errors out of the map is to actually work on the map. So, what we will be doing is basically the same as last week but with a slightly different focus. 1) The morning will be targeted for the more advanced mappers. Sebastien will show one new quality tool briefly after which each will work on a designated area to solve the problems that the map has (in that area). 2) The afternoon will similarly be for the intermediate beginner mappers and will start with a view to a quality tool but will also have an emphasis on working on designated areas for improving the quality of the map. Let's start at 9am and 1pm. Please note that we will look at the new quality tool in the beginning and are aiming to start on time. Cheers, -Jaakko - - - - - 8 - - - - - 8 - - - - - 8 - - - - - Chè tout moun, Vandredi ap apwoche, ankò, ki vle di ke nou pral gen yon lòt transfòmasyon Vandredi Meetup oswa Vandredi transfòmasyon nan GrassRootsUnited la. Pale avèk Sèb nou te vini ak konklizyon an ki olye ke yon bagay fòmasyon ak nouvo fè yon kat ki gen rapò ak ti kras bagay la ki fèk aprann nou ta dwe konsantre sou travay sou pwoblèm yo ki diferan kalite kat ki gen rapò ak aktyèlman amelyore kalite nan kat jeyografik. Pratike fè pafè e nan fen jounen an wout la sèlman nan jwenn ereur yo e erè plenn soti nan kat jeyografik la seaktyèlman ap travay sou kat la. Se konsa, ki sa nou pral fè se fondamantalman menm jan ak semenn pase, men ak yon konsantre yon ti kras diferan. 1) ap denmen maten an ap vize pou kartograf yo ki pi plis avanse. Sebastienap montre yon nouvo zouti yon ti tan apre bon jan kalite ki chak ap travay sou yon zòn ki la pou yo rezoud pwoblèm yo ki gen kat la (nan zòn sa). 2) aprè midi a ap Menm jan an tou ka pou yo kartograf entèmedyè debutanepi yo pral kòmanse avèk yon View nan yon bon kalite zouti, men pral gen touyon anfaz sou ap travay sou kote ki deziyen pou pou amelyore kalite edikasyon nan kat la. Ann kòmanse nan 9am ak 1pm. Tanpri sonje ke n ap gade tout zouti a bon jan kalite nouvo depi nan konmansman an, epi yo vise yo kòmanse sou tan. cheers, -Jaakko - - - - - 8 - - - - - 8 - - - - - 8 - - - - - Chers tous, Vendredi se rapproche à nouveau, ce qui signifie que nous allons avoir un autre Cartographie vendredi Meetup» ou «Cartographie vendredi à la GrassRootsUnited. Parler avec Seb nous sommes arrivés à la conclusion que, plutôt que quelque chose d'une nouvelle formation et en faisant une cartographie peu liée à la chose nouvellement acquises nous devrions nous concentrer sur le travail sur les différentes questions liées à la qualité de la cartographie réellement améliorer la qualité de la carte. La pratique rend parfait et à la fin de la journéede la seule façon d'obtenir des inexactitudes et des erreurs plaine de la carte est de travailler effectivement sur la carte. Donc, ce que nous allons faire, c'est fondamentalement la même que la semaine dernière, mais avec une approche légèrement différente. 1) La matinée sera ciblée pour les cartographes les plus avancés. Sébastien va montrer une brève nouvel outil de qualité après laquelle chacun va travailler sur une zone désignée pour résoudre les problèmes que la carte a (dans ce domaine). 2) L'après-midi sera de même être pour les cartographes intermédiaires etdébutants et débutera avec une vue à un outil de qualité, mais aura également un accent sur le travail sur les zones désignées pour améliorer la qualité de la carte. Commençons à 9h et 13 heures. S'il vous plaît noter que nous nous pencherons sur l'outil de nouvelle qualité dans le début et visent à commencer à l'heure. Cheers, Jaakko- -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
