Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread Christian Quest
Where have the translations gone ? The welcome, help and about are now english only ? This is the most critical point in this switch that looks a bit premature to me. Browsing objects gives way too much space for the map, hiding some tag values. When checking show map data, there used to be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread Simon Poole
I believe that is just a result of that the original text (English) only gets pushed to translatewiki when it has been deployed (without doing something special which we did for the welcome page a while ago). AFAIK now it is just a question of translating the new bits and then waiting for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 00:35 2013-12-02, Christian Quest wrote: Where have the translations gone ? The welcome, help and about are now english only ? This is the most critical point in this switch that looks a bit premature to me. The OSM website is translated at translatewiki.net. Every time an interface

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread Tom Hughes
On 02/12/13 09:16, Simon Poole wrote: I believe that is just a result of that the original text (English) only gets pushed to translatewiki when it has been deployed (without doing something special which we did for the welcome page a while ago). AFAIK now it is just a question of translating

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread Barry Hunter
On 1 December 2013 12:37, Lester Caine wrote: The new setup seems to be saying 'if you are not here to map go away!' If this is really the case then perhaps we need a NEW site for those of us who contribute data with a view to actually using it live? http://open.mapquest.co.uk/ ? That is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread Lester Caine
Barry Hunter wrote: The new setup seems to be saying 'if you are not here to map go away!' If this is really the case then perhaps we need a NEW site for those of us who contribute data with a view to actually using it live? http://open.mapquest.co.uk/ ? That is a site for end users of OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread Philip Barnes
open.mapquest.co.uk only seems to find banks and bars that are mapped as nodes. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 02/12/2013 13:16 Barry Hunter wrote: On 1 December 2013 12:37, Lester Caine wrote: The new setup seems to be saying 'if you are not here to map go away!' If this

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread Barry Hunter
On 2 December 2013 13:54, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Barry Hunter wrote: The new setup seems to be saying 'if you are not here to map go away!' If this is really the case then perhaps we need a NEW site for those of us who contribute data with a view to actually using it live?

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread JB
Le 30.11.2013 20:24, SomeoneElse a crit: 1) On the main osm.org site, the extra space taken up by the bar at the top and the huge "welcome" area at the left distracts from the map in a way that the rectangular left-hand bar didn't - it's easier to mentally exclude a left-hand bar and concentrate

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-02 Thread SomeoneElse
JB wrote: Besides, now that I'm connected, but do not have a picture to illustrate myself in my profile, where/how do I click on modify ? It certainly doesn't look like that for me. Perhaps you need to see if someone's already logged a

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Lester Caine
Paul Norman wrote: I know that there is a lot of support for NOT providing services I'd say there's a wide desire for offering services like OWL and routing on OSM.org. Of course, these take development hours, time, and money, so a wide desire doesn't translate into actually adding the

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Simon Poole
My 2 cents: the deployment yesterday was the final step to making the design and the user interaction consistent over the the whole site (forgetting about the handful of real usability issues that should be addressed). The baby steps that had been made over the last year or so had led to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Simon Poole
Am 01.12.2013 11:25, schrieb Lester Caine: ... And I still need to find out where the 'export' is intended to go? Is that were we should be able to create embeded frames or somewhere else? Share does not provide the material and hacking the code manually is not something novice users can do

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 1 Dec 2013, at 10:25, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Paul Norman wrote: I know that there is a lot of support for NOT providing services I'd say there's a wide desire for offering services like OWL and routing on OSM.org. Of course, these take development hours, time, and money,

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Ed Loach
Martin wrote: the wiki was linked directly. Our wiki is the principal (loosely) structured key about osm, created by the community. Its starting page is a good entry if you want to get serious, and I am sure also longtime contributors go there rather often. I think it is better on the Help

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Lester Caine
Shaun McDonald wrote: osm.org is aimed at mappers and people mapping, rather than as a general purpose go to site for navigation. I'm not arguing otherwise, but at present even FINDING another site that CAN be used for routing from the new front page is a nightmare. Alright the old page was

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Ed Loach
Lester: The about page is VERY short on help to get to other material ( but I do not object to advertising sponsors on that page ), and I probably need to try the site as a cold user to se if registering a new account is any more helpful, but trying to establish what is needed to help

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Lester Caine
Ed Loach wrote: Lester: The about page is VERY short on help to get to other material ( but I do not object to advertising sponsors on that page ), and I probably need to try the site as a cold user to se if registering a new account is any more helpful, but trying to establish what is

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 30.11.2013 20:57, SomeoneElse wrote: Understood (hence my Henry Ford quote) but on that general point - can anyone explain in what way the new site is better than the old one? Most people who reacted favourably to the new design said things like it looked fresher or more modern. Most

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread SomeoneElse
Frederik Ramm wrote: This redesign was done by employees of MapBox, and they spent a lot of time on it. I'd prefer them to weigh in in this thread themselves Thanks Frederik. I think that it would help if they did; it might help to put a human face on some of the design decisions beyond a

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-12-01 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 18:17 2013-12-01, SomeoneElse wrote: The changeset close time has a dotted underline and the mouse pointer changes from a hand to a question mark - I still don't know what this is supposed to signify. That's HTML's abbr tag. It's primarily meant to give abbr title=three-letter

[OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Maarten Deen
How do I close the Welcome to openstreetmap box on the new map page? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Rob Nickerson
How do I close the Welcome to openstreetmap box on the new map page? Regards, Maarten Hi Maarten, Firstly a big thank you to everyone who worked on the new design for OpenStreetMap.org website. I'm not going to try to name everyone as I am bound to miss someone out, but as you will see online

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-11-30 13:51, Rob Nickerson wrote: How do I close the Welcome to openstreetmap box on the new map page? [snip] On the subject of the Welcome Text, the idea of being able to close the welcome box was discussed but ultimately not implemented. The box does go away if you log in. I should

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Rob Nickerson wrote: I appreciate that this may not be what you wanted to hear, but as with any big change, there is likely to be a few teething issues. Unfortunatly this has now broken many inter site links so personally I'm looking for a route to retore a more usable interface for those of

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Lester Caine wrote: I appreciate that this may not be what you wanted to hear, but as with any big change, there is likely to be a few teething issues. Unfortunatly this has now broken many inter site links so personally I'm looking for a route to retore a more usable interface for those of us

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Lester Caine wrote: This new front page simply does not work on many levels and I hope I'm not the only person who thinks that? No this is getting even more iritating ... Can someone with the capability to sort out DNS PLEASE create old.openstreetmap.org with a link to the old front page.

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Lester, If you are after a full screen map for your website, it is very easy to create one with a simple html page that links to Leaflet (the tool for providing pan and zoom, etc) and the tiles server at OSM. I've attached something I was able to get up and running quite quickly. My web

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi Lester, If you are after a full screen map for your website, it is very easy to create one with a simple html page that links to Leaflet (the tool for providing pan and zoom, etc) and the tiles server at OSM. I've attached something I was able to get up and running quite

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 11/30/2013 02:03 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: Yeah. This is a bad decision. That means that non-logged in users (which is any user that does not have an account, and that would be the majority of the users of the map page, if it is successful) will be bothered by this box all the time. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Simon Poole
Lester Isn't a) the welcome box and b) the Learn more/About page a -lot- better on explaining what OSM is about than anything you could find within one click (if at all) on the old site? I really fail to see what you believe was better about the old layout, maybe if you could give an example?

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 30.11.2013 16:02, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Anyway, I think nobody will be hurt if we have a little [X] button in the top right corner of that welcome message, which then sets a cookie and kills the message. I'm sure someone who is bothered enough will submit a pull request for that. +1000 And

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread malenki
On 30.11.2013 14:03, Maarten Deen wrote: So yes: this is a bad decision and I can only ask to make something that you can close this box ASAP. +1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread James Mast
Well, I do know with the new map page change, all the changeset search feeds are now completely broken. For instance, this url [1] used to create a feed for the for following area -80.54,40.358,-79.526,40.779 and let me know if there were any changesets that in that bounding box. Now, all I

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Tom Hughes
On 30/11/13 17:54, James Mast wrote: For instance, this url [1] used to create a feed for the for following area -80.54,40.358,-79.526,40.779 and let me know if there were any changesets that in that bounding box. Now, all I get are the last 20 changeset in all of OSM!!! That isn't good at

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 30/nov/2013 um 16:51 schrieb Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: I really fail to see what you believe was better about the old layout, maybe if you could give an example? the wiki was linked directly. Our wiki is the principal (loosely) structured key about osm, created by the community. Its

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Simon Poole wrote: Lester Isn't a) the welcome box and b) the Learn more/About page a -lot- better on explaining what OSM is about than anything you could find within one click (if at all) on the old site? I really fail to see what you believe was better about the old layout, maybe if you

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Simon Poole wrote: I really fail to see what you believe was better about the old layout, maybe if you could give an example? Just 5 examples to start with: 1) On the main osm.org site, the extra space taken up by the bar at the top and the huge welcome area at the left distracts from the

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Simon Poole
Am 30.11.2013 20:24, schrieb SomeoneElse: Simon Poole wrote: I really fail to see what you believe was better about the old layout, maybe if you could give an example? Just 5 examples to start with: I was not soliciting general input, just specific to Lesters complaint (which was not

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Simon Poole wrote: As to general complaints, I don't see any way forward without making somebody unhappy Understood (hence my Henry Ford quote) but on that general point - can anyone explain in what way the new site is better than the old one? I'd love to know what I can do with the new

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-11-30 20:24, SomeoneElse wrote: I understand the reticence on behalf of many people to criticise suggestions from the (not being directly paid to do so) developers of the osm.org site. As a software developer myself, being asked how am I supposed to use _that_? and being told that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Simon Poole wrote: I really fail to see what you believe was better about the old layout, maybe if you could give an example? Just 5 examples to start with: I was not soliciting general input, just specific to Lesters complaint (which was not about functional issues for mappers). As to

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Lester Caine wrote: Which is why I simply ask that the old layout is made available again as that only requires access to pages that already exist. Silly question ... where has the 'embed' option gone? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact -

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Simon Poole
Share - HTML ? Am 30.11.2013 23:02, schrieb Lester Caine: Lester Caine wrote: Which is why I simply ask that the old layout is made available again as that only requires access to pages that already exist. Silly question ... where has the 'embed' option gone?

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Simon Poole wrote: Share - HTML ? Am 30.11.2013 23:02, schrieb Lester Caine: Lester Caine wrote: Which is why I simply ask that the old layout is made available again as that only requires access to pages that already exist. Silly question ... where has the 'embed' option gone? Tool for

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page

2013-11-30 Thread Paul Norman
From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:51 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page Which is why I simply ask that the old layout is made available again as that only requires access to pages