On 16/06/2009, at 1:08 AM, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Now does anyone have suggestions on how to basically drive the
entire town the most efficiently with the minimal amount of overlap,
or how does one plan such a feat.
There's a nice mathematical algorithm for figuring out that. All you
need
On 16/06/2009, at 1:52 PM, Liz wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Most likely I'll be returning via a different direction, I don't
particularlly like going out west, there is whole lots of nothing
inbetween
a few somethings.
OSM makes you look for somethings out there
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Rick Peterson wrote:
Hi Folks,
I’m a newcomer to the OSM project with a couple of questions.
BACKGROUND:
Welcome Rick.
Perhaps if we give the history of the changes you will understand how the
boundaries work.
In the beginning was the void.
On the first day some
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
It's a problem given to all computer science students to
solve:
the travelling salesman.
The more points to cover, the more processing power it uses
which makes the way the human brain can solve those
problems really cool.
The
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Dan O'Hara oha...@homemail.com.au wrote:
I have two immediate questions
(actually I have a lot but
these have been preying on my mind as a result of my
breach). When you go
to an attraction, be it an outdoor winery/farm tour or say,
fun park or caravan
park, are the
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
See if the way has a source tag if it does and this is
other than survey or gps then it's generally fair game to
move it.
There is more ways than I care to count that are marked as survey that were
poorly traced.
I don't have a
JOSM can do all this offline and you don't have to upload the gps trace to the
osm server before editing it.
It is easy to use and for major work is better than potlatch. Have a read here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_editors
Best of all if it doesn't look right don't
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 19:27 +1000, Liz wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, James Livingston wrote:
There's a nice mathematical algorithm for figuring out that.
It's a problem given to all computer science students to solve:
the travelling salesman.
The more points to cover, the more processing
Thanks for your comments everyone. More reading.
Delta Foxtrot - I access OSM through GPS traces/see your traces link then
edit (another person uploaded a lot of my tracks before I came to OSM but
put my username in the tag so I could find and fix, do POIs, road surfaces
etc). It is
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't have a problem with uploading gps traces to osm but
I can see no benifit if I'm just going to edit them in josm
anyway and given that they are all one second data that's a
lot of data to put on
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Dan O'Hara oha...@homemail.com.au wrote:
Delta Foxtrot – I access OSM
through “GPS traces/see
your traces” link then “edit” (another
person uploaded a lot
of my tracks before I came to OSM but put my username in
the tag so I could
find and “fix”, do POIs, road surfaces
I've ever used Potlatch-I was nervous about having an editor that was
always live - no 'edit-check-save' cycle. I understand that has
recently changed, but the point is it's not that hard to use some of
the other options.
Stephen
2009/6/17 Dan O'Hara oha...@homemail.com.au:
As a total newbie to
Sorry- that should be _Never_ used potlatch
2009/6/18 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com:
I've ever used Potlatch-I was nervous about having an editor that was
always live - no 'edit-check-save' cycle. I understand that has
recently changed, but the point is it's not that hard to use some of
the
Secondly, come the day when MegaMap Inc, decide to sue OSM, due to a part
of the map looking suspiciously derived from MegaMap's products, the
existance of GPS traces in OSM may assist greatly in defending against
that
threat.
Also a good reason to use simplified gpx tracks from JOSM as then
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Why should I. No where in osm does it state that a
GPX file has to be
uploaded.
You don't have to upload anything to OSM, but you should if you care for the
accuracy of the information you'll upload the gpx files which will give
Who said I was trivialising the problems, I only gave an
example I can
think of at least 50 possible errors when using gps.
I'm not going to
list every possibility every time I make a comment.
If you make specific claims then people will assume that's all you had in
mind.
What specific
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Generally it was directed at the comment should upload
, made
without anything to back it up and also rhetorical.
Just because some
think they should be uploaded does not mean everyone wants,
or has, to.
Should doesn't
Hello again talk-au,
I'm new to editing in the OSM project and before I start making
significant changes to another's work, I thought I should check with
people more experienced with the project to make sure I'm correct.
Background:
I was having a look at my local area with Keepright and
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
No kidding, I'm well aware of the difference betweend
should and must.
You keep implying must when I've said should.
You did not say anything about the greater good and I've
yet to see any
reason that it is for the greater good.
you will see that none of the junctions for side roads
are correctly joined to Luttrell Street. This problem appears to be
repeated across the area generally.br
They should be joined with nodes at the junctions for all junctions, T or
cross roads. It does not make much difference to the
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
Unless you have better than consumer grade kit you won't be
consistently getting within 2m of accuracy all the time, and
I think that sums the argument up right there, you're
assuming you will.
Let me re-phrase... The main
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
No kidding, I'm well aware of the difference betweend
should and must.
You keep implying must when I've said should.
No i'm not implying must. I asked why SHOULD we be uploading them.
You did not say anything about the greater
Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Because they aren't joined,
Hi Delta, thanks for the reply.
Because they aren't joined is exactly the reason they should show in
Keepright IMO, although I take your point about false postives with
service roads etc.
>From Keepright:
"almost-junctions
Streets
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
The greater good is supported by the end product not by
data (GPX files)
that, although supports the end product, is not shown in
the final map or
routing solutions.
We were always told to show our working out in school for a
2009/6/18 Rick Peterson ausr...@iinet.net.au:
Background:
I was having a look at my local area with Keepright and spotted a couple of
dead ended one ways. On close inspection in Potlatch, I see that the
junctions have not been formed correctly. The layout of the streets, street
names etc all
If the data was challenged that I entered then osm can
contact me for the
original data. In the meantime why are we filling up
storage on osm with
data that is not producing the final product ie the map.
Why do I need to challenge you to prove what you did was correct, if the
GPX
--- On Thu, 18/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
How do I take your word for it when you use an anonymous
mail address and
don't sign your name to any email.
Just because you used a less common alias, how do I even know the name you
supply is true?
In reality it doesn't actually
the other hand you can get 10,000+ point files being
uploaded as well and I need to run gpsbabel over the file
before uploading it.
Does anyone know if this is a good filter to use against gpx files?
gpsbabel -i gpx -f test -x simplify,crosstrack,error=0.0001k -o gpx -F
test.gpx
--- On Thu, 18/6/09, Peter Ross pe...@emailross.com wrote:
In that case I can't help you whether it's a good idea or
not.
Generally I upload all my points to OSM and then let other
people
decide whether or not they want to filter them.
I have no problem doing that, but I thought I was
--- On Thu, 18/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Have you loaded both into josm and seen how they compare?
That would give you an idication on how the filter affects
the data.
No I hadn't, but I'm in the process of doing it now.
I was hoping for a common consensus, if there was
* improving routing information, by working out average speed on roads
(at different times).
If your connected to the internet that's fine but it's no use for on the
road re-routing, unless you have all the gps traces downloaded to your
gps.
This should be tagged by maxspeed anyway.
Some one
Have you loaded both into josm and seen how they
compare?
For the most part they are almost identical, but there is a few small
differences, although probably not enough that most people would worry about,
but the bigger question is how OSM stores them, if they compress the files the
--- On Thu, 18/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
We have to trust that osm's are putting in accurate data
but from what
I've seen the data already there is miles better than
google maps
particularly in rural Australia.
The benefit of collecting fresh data, so knowing rought times
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Andy Owen andy-...@ultra-premium.com wrote:
(oh, and someone suggested that if the roads were all in a
grid, you
could do smart things to take into account the redundancy,
and just
zig-zag through, knowing you can extrapolate later... I
don't know of
any algorithms
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