David,
When we first proposed (and started using) the 4wd_only tag, there was a
lot of pushback from people who complained that it was not a verifiable
tag. Track type had the same response. We were able to show them that there
are signs all over Australia that say 4WD only at the start of a
David,
It's up to the rendering engine how it wants to display the POI's. It
doesn't matter how far apart they are, if you zoom out enough they'll
overlap anyway. The thing to remember is we provide the data, the people
who render the maps decide what to do with it. If they're making a static
Well, there's a couple of reasons why you might want to save it anyway with
roads close together but not joining, so JOSM can't force you not to save
it. They might not actually join. There's a couple of examples near me
where roads end less than a meter away from another road, but don't join
On 20 September 2012 09:41, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Yes it is a small roundabout as you can not legally drive over it unless
it is impractical to do so.
The vehicle in the street view is clearly about to drive around the center
island. Whereas if it was a truck/bus/caravan it
I'm not saying that a mini-roundabout isn't a roundabout, it is, and all
the normal signs and laws apply. What it also is, however, is traversable.
If you have a vehicle that cannot go around it, because it is too large,
then you're allowed to go over it.
I'd be just a happy to use a normal
I've seen it flatly stated that Australia didn't have any real
mini-roundabouts. That may have been true once, but the last few new
roundabouts I've seen built near me have all been either true mini
roundabouts (nothing but paint) or a couple where there is a raised centre
concrete disc, but it's
On 11 September 2012 01:28, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, for the sake of argument, how would provider A demonstrate that
OSM's data was made by copying its compilation of facts, when
providers B and C contain exactly the same facts?
Because B and C would not contain the same
On 1 September 2012 11:35, Russell Edwards russell...@gmail.com wrote:
I am still curious to know what the positional accuracy of survey markers
is meant to be, if anyone can enlighten.
First question you have to ask is how old the survey is? Australia as a
whole moves north about 7-8 cm a
Diego,
The discussion happened a while ago, but the redaction bot only ran a few
weeks (maybe a month?) ago. It shouldn't run any more, as I understand it.
Stephen
On 21 August 2012 14:25, Diego Molla-Aliod diego.molla-al...@mq.edu.auwrote:
The discussions about licence change happened
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there would only be one bus stop there, or possibly
one each side of the road, at best. I'll see if I can swing by that way
next time I'm over that side of town, if somebody doesn't beat me to it.
I suspect that a few of the other double pairs nearby should only be
singles
Yeah, I'm working on it - up in the northern suburbs at the moment, it's
the area I know best. It's interesting that many streets that were showing
as OK in the tools prior to the change may still be there, but are missing
many nodes, so they don't match reality any more. I find you have to
On 19 December 2011 22:10, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
The original coastlines were from NASA PGS data and if they have been
deleted and/or merged to the ABS data then the coastline is going to be
deleted as well.
Years ago, some of us spent quite a lot of time cleaning up the
On 11 December 2011 11:54, mick bare...@tpg.com.au wrote:
In northern Brisbane I have yet to see anything that shows you are moving
into a 50kph default zone.
In Queensland the 50kph limit applies to all built up areas unless the
street is marked otherwise. They don't mark the individual
On 30 November 2011 21:51, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
And in the case of something like sparseness I think you can come up
with at least equivalently correct results, by developing the
algorithm hand in hand with input from a good human mapper.
Oh, definitely. That's why I think we can
On 29 November 2011 23:53, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
Having a place tag is good, having a population tag is good. Faking
either of those for the renderer or otherwise seems bad.
We're talking about hinting, not faking. Marking something as a city when
it's not, that's bad.
True, but that doesn't mean we need to use it. When they actually
bother to give the SI unit a name, I'll think about using it. In the
meantime, the named metric unit of volume is the litre (L), and you
can use it with all the prefixes, including KL (or cubic metre), ML
etc. The prefixes don't
Ben,
True. But it also says that it is supposed to be showing a still
physically visible item. Cuttings, grading, a physical scar on the
landscape. If it was on an area that's been completely built over so
that you would have no way of knowing something was ever there, then
I'd change the tag.
On 5 February 2011 15:30, Andrew Gregory andrew.greg...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely that can't be correct?
That is the way it was explained on one of the mailing lists a while
back. I haven't seen any notice that it is going to change, though
with the mushroom treatment we're getting, I could have
I'd keep both names - name= and alt_name= ( or old_name=). This is
better for lookup purposes, as either version would then find this
station. And it's not wrong, as it seems the other version was
correct at one time.
Whether that would be acceptable to the other editor is another problem.
On 27 January 2011 21:17, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Note to self: add feature to hide and render unselectable all admin=boundary.
I used to always do this (using Josm filters) when working in country
areas around Qld, the shire boundaries and roads were always
interfering with
On 27 January 2011 08:58, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Although it's a non-issue here as pointed out below, we really should
get a policy on this. IMHO tags should reflect whatever makes the most
sense to the most people, whether that's British, American or
otherwise.
I'd agree,
Ben,
some interesting shots there. I take it the MultiView part won't be
up until later? It seems to be showing older imagery at the moment.
A little bit of unfortunate image slicing here in just the wrong place. :)
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.475182,153.020904z=20t=knmd=20110113
And I
I heard that they were planning to do flights up north a few days ago,
but couldn't get flight permissions, what with the state of emergency.
And in the southeast (actually, pretty much everywhere, today), you'd
get lovely grey clouds right now. In fact, if you look at Brisbane,
it hasn't been
On 26 November 2010 08:57, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Excellent. The thought does occur that if one used source=bing, and
started tracing now, and for some reason the legal agreement didn't
eventuate, it would be easy to simply wipe all that data. But that
would be making life
On 25 November 2010 13:20, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
On 25 November 2010 03:00, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no news here until they actually allow it, so far they are
claiming they can't.
Interesting choice of words.
I think you'll find there
On 30 July 2010 22:27, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Meh. I look at the definition of landuse=recreation_ground and I think
it could include almost anything. Maybe you're right. There are so few
showgrounds it won't matter much either way.
Steve
Actually there are a lot of
On 29 June 2010 21:49, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote:
3) State Forests get landuse=forest. Any leisure activities (e.g camping) get
marked as their own thing, like tourism=camp_site, which isn't in this dataset
4) Forest Reserves and Timber Reserve (which are often adjacent to
I'm doing some work on the outskirts of Brisbane, where the properties
start to get bigger, doing some clean up. And I got to wondering about
residential landuse.
At one end of the scale, you have inner city housing (350-1000 sq m
lots), and there's no question they are residential. At the
No. But when I do buildings, it's almost always as part of a larger
compound of some sort.
So a I might tag a whole area as a school or tafe, retail centre or
church, then tag the buldings inside them as just building. If I was
doing stand-alone buildings I would be more likely to tag them
A couple of things about the bridge.
First, even though it was officially opened today, it doesn't have
traffic on it until Monday week (24th). Then they do changes to the
approaches, and a bit later shut the old bridge down for six months
for refurbishment. We'll have to keep changing things
Andrew,
Is this what you are talking about?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/basin%3Dinfiltration
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-February/034383.html
Stephen
On 17 May 2010 14:15, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote:
I'd like to thank everyone
On 27 April 2010 10:53, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Some whisper that they have seen a painted roundabout on the road, but whether
this is a roundabout is not for us to know - according to the Road Rulez it
ain't a roundabout.
and
They are very rare, and perhaps we should draw them out as
On 25 April 2010 18:18, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
Having just done a bit of research, I agree. The Aust Road Rules define
a roundabout:
A roundabout is an intersection:
(a) with either:
(i) one or more marked lanes, all of which are for the
use of vehicles travelling in the
Well, I understand the resolution over Rottnest Island is better than
anywhere else, so that ought to give an idea of what they can do. But
I got the impression on the forums somewhere that they got that by
flying lower, thus requiring more passes, though I may be wrong - I
can't find it again
Please be careful removing duplicate nodes. If a couple of ways
cross, and have nodes in the same place, please make sure they should
connect before just stitching them together. I've seen at least one
example where a road on a bridge crossing another road underneath have
been connected together
2010/1/25 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
The 'Local Traffic Only' sign is an advisory sign only and is not
regulatory.
I don't think this is important, but this could be specified using
motor_vehicle:regulatory=no (or inferred from
motor_vehicle:source=Local Traffic Only sign)
This is another one of those cases where the instructions used to be
in unclear. For a while the Wiki said the count was number of lanes
in each direction. Some did that, some did total lane count. It
has since been changed to the current (and I'm told former) total
count, but there is quite
2010/1/21 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
Also, from the wiki for 'service':
Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach,
campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc..
This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or
campsite, why not to
I think he's talking more about things like tourist trails, ie preset
routes, and usually not the shortest way. Or bus routes, or similar
things.
There's a tourist route near me I keep meaning to go see if I can find
the other end of, sometime.
Stephen
2010/1/9 John Smith
2010/1/7 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
===Footway==
Now, bicycles aren't allowed on *footpaths* - ie, the path that runs along
the side of the road. But they're generally allowed on most other paths,
like into or
2010/1/7 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:49 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote:
From a quick skim of the wiki, it seems that 'bicycle=yes' means that
bicycles are allowed on the way, where 'bicycle=designated' means the
bike has right of way. Bikes have right of way
2010/1/5 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com:
John is right about the distinction between the landuse natural tags.
landuse is about what is on the ground (trees, farming etc). I am assuming
national/state/other parks/areas should be attributed with the natural
tag, but natural=what?
That's not just Sydney. Brisbane will clear you off the motorways,
and if you break down in the City centre area they'll take you off the
street there too.
Stephen
2009/12/26 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
Oh and most/all motorways in Sydney have their own vehecals to tow
people off
Not all the img files you'll find lying around are routable. Some
are, some aren't. As Matt said, some of the ones on the OSM Australia
are, but not all. There are other sources as well - see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download for a
partial list. (Check the routable
2009/12/21 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net:
I think using a bus route type could get muddled with public transport
and we will have german tourists trying to catch the library truck to get
around.
Yeah, they're not really really related to bus-stops. All the mobile
libraries I've seen tend
The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government
here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used
to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only
rules, connection to a sport club, etc. This connection can be quite
vague - the one nearest my
I'm looking for some guidance on tagging for Sports Clubs. I'm not
sure if these are an Australian wide thing, or just a QLD invention.
I'm talking about the buildings that are run by (or for), are named
after, and support a sports club or organisation, but actually don't
have any thing to do
I have a question about the suburb boundary ways that have been
imported for Australia a while back.
The boundary ways often follow a road, or the coast, or a stream or
river. Some of the ways are other things, as well as a boundary (a
stream, for example) but some of the boundary ways are
2009/10/6 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
If you look at this from the point of view of territorial waters the
coastline is from either the high or low tide marks, they spell it out
in legalese and I can't remember off the top of my head, but the coast
line cuts across any
2009/9/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
No, source=survey isn't ambiguous at all it's spelt out clearly on the
map features page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation
Actually, that is ambiguous - or rather incomplete. It says gpx
track or other physical
2009/9/22 swanilli swani...@gmail.com:
I agree with Evan's view that We should emphasis tagging properties and not
uses. Some of my local streets have a painted cycleway sign but it makes
little sense to tag the street as highway=cycleway, rather than say,
highway=residential.
A cycleway
2009/8/26 Jeff Price jeff.pr...@rocketmail.com:
The council are also interested in correcting errors in their own data given
that today they are largely corrected via public complaints and subsequent
site surveys. If someone has some wizzy ideas on how to determine the
difference between the
I bought mine from Graham Smith in the UK (last year some time). He
still uses sonicresolutions domain to host pictures and email etc, but
you're not buying from the company as such. And that assumes he's
even the person still selling them, which I'm not sure. It was Andy
talking about them on
I just double checked on the way home from work. There are no A1
markings anywhere near the end of the Bruce Highway.
The gateway arterial is marked as M1 - I'm not sure how far, but I
think from memory at least as far as where it runs into the SE Freeway
on the other side of the river, at which
Hopetoun, Vic and WA, both towns. I got into trouble with this once,
because I'd only ever heard of the Vic one, and one of our clients was
talking about the WA one, so I arranged for a meeting in the wrong
state. Not quite as bad as the French firm that tried sending a
package to me in Austria,
Yeah, that's correct. Sorry, I didn't mean to use it as a reference
in that way, but a quick run through of the list in name order will
give you an idea of how many duplicates there are, and how big the
problem is likely to be. It's interesting to have a quick look in
postcode order as well -
Umm, not the case at all. Highway= comes from the old english use,
where highway means way/path/track you use to get somewhere. These
days we assume roads and cars, but that's not the way it was
originally designed.
Stephen
2009/8/10 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
To play devils advocate
No, you're wrong here. Maxheight is an element of the way that goes
under the bridge. It is caused by the bridge, but it is not part of
the bridge. It is the road under the bridge that has the limitation,
not the bridge. Divided roads often have different max heights on each
side, but it is one
'Seventh-day Adventist' is the official name, but commonly abbreviated
to Adventist or SDA.
Technically, an adventist is someone who believes in the (soon) second
coming of Christ (the Advent), so most Christian faiths can be called
adventists. However, it's usually applied to a number of
While we're talking about the Sunshine coast area, is anybody going to
the Muster this year? It wouldn't hurt to map the campgrounds and
festival while they're there - most of the year it's just a few empty
fields.
Stephen
2009/7/24 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
--- On Thu, 23/7/09,
This is most definitely a problem with Gosmore. The fact is, most
roundabouts do not have names, and artificially giving them one to
make a renderer (or routing program) happy is tagging for the
renderer. Even if a roundabout did have a name, I'd be happier if the
routing software just said turn
How accurate are you wanting to go? To be truly accurate, you're going
to need to take weekends and school holidays into account as well.
Actually, on a serious note, I'd love to have a routing algorithm that
avoids schools during child dropoff and pickup hours when possible. I
don't mind the
I've ever used Potlatch-I was nervous about having an editor that was
always live - no 'edit-check-save' cycle. I understand that has
recently changed, but the point is it's not that hard to use some of
the other options.
Stephen
2009/6/17 Dan O'Hara oha...@homemail.com.au:
As a total newbie to
Sorry- that should be _Never_ used potlatch
2009/6/18 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com:
I've ever used Potlatch-I was nervous about having an editor that was
always live - no 'edit-check-save' cycle. I understand that has
recently changed, but the point is it's not that hard to use some
2009/6/18 Rick Peterson ausr...@iinet.net.au:
Background:
I was having a look at my local area with Keepright and spotted a couple of
dead ended one ways. On close inspection in Potlatch, I see that the
junctions have not been formed correctly. The layout of the streets, street
names etc all
2009/5/25 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
Something else I can't work out how to tag is a jetty, the thing that juts
out into water and boats tie up to. But after 8 years of drought here,
perhaps I needn't worry too much.
Just be grateful you're not trying to teach English to some-one who
speaks
To get imagery in Josm, you need to use the WMS menu at the top to add
an imagery layer. You may need to set it up first with some plug-ins.
It is certainly possible, though.
Stephen
2009/5/20 Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
I tried JSOM briefly the other day but the entire
2009/1/18 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
Important matter on copyright duration
I realised only very recently that we haven't been reading the rules correctly
and published material - the street directory, the paper map, expires after 25
years at midnight on the next New Years Eve
Published
I'm a little confused. Everywhere I've seen a park on the side of the
road like that, it has used the same nodes, but not the same way.
Splitting the way should not effect the park at all, except if you add
nodes, in which case you'll need to add them to the park way as well.
Or am I thinking of
There is no problem adding a turning circle to courts as long as they
have one. Before the turning circle tag was rendered, I saw the
occasional mini-roundabout used as a turning circle, because it made
the map look right.
Stephen
2008/12/11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
+1
I completely agree with all
I'm not positive, but I think that the very low zoom views don't
actually get a lot (any?) of their data from the live OSM data.
Rather they do, but they are only updated on very occasionally. There
is just too much data to be continually recreating tiles that large
from the main database.
The
2008/10/21 Kim Hawtin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
- Are the rail and road under passes right? I have set them as
tunnels, because it makes more sense than the freeway being a
bridge, how ever what do other folks use?
Without actually looking at what you've done - I've done both. If the
underpass
I hadn't heard of that one before. Do you have any idea how long it
operates as a GPS on battery? The GPS I have now is a multifunction
device - it goes for hours without the GPS on, but turn the GPS on and
it dies quickly. It is going to be used in the car with power, the
one I'm looking to
Yeah - look to see if they have a notes tag.
Are these the Yahoo coverage boxes you are talking about? I noticed the
one for Adelaide appeared a few months ago and confused me until I
realised that's what it was for.
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In the Brisbane Metro area, Pine Rivers shire (soon to be part of
Moreton Bay) has maps available of bike routes. I looked at one to
see how many there would be to map in the region. From what I can
tell, they've marked every wide footpath on the map, as well as shared
walkways through parks
A number of people seem to misread the lanes tag as total lanes on the
road, not lanes in each direction. A case could be made that it
should be total lanes, as that would allow for asymmetric roads to be
modelled. I suspect that a lot of the lanes=1 tags really mean that it
is a narrow, unmarked
There is (was?) a simplify way command available in JOSM, but you need
to add one of the plugins first.
Stephen
On 18/02/2008, Paul Zagoridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Greg
Ah I did it on Potlatch -- sorry about that.
Regards
Paul
Greg Harper wrote, On 17/2/08 3:32 PM:
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