Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ?

2012-10-25 Thread Teddy
Hello, I am a member of an asbl based on Londerzeel. We have an international reputation. But for Belgium : It is impossible to have subsidies from the Wallonie ! Because the adress is in Vlanderen... We work on the territory of the 3 regions and we have now 3 antennas, one in each region. Take

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ?

2012-10-25 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
2012/10/25 Teddy e...@swing.be: Hello, I am a member of an asbl based on Londerzeel. We have an international reputation. which asbl is it ? Could you give us an URL ? But for Belgium : It is impossible to have subsidies from the Wallonie ! Because the adress is in Vlanderen... yes,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ?

2012-10-25 Thread Teddy
www.comitejeanpain.be Bien à toi. 2012/10/25 Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be 2012/10/25 Teddy e...@swing.be: Hello, I am a member of an asbl based on Londerzeel. We have an international reputation. which asbl is it ? Could you give us an URL ? But for Belgium : It is

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ?

2012-10-25 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
2012/10/25 Teddy e...@swing.be: www.comitejeanpain.be merci Bien à toi. -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : +32 496 24 55 01 Lepacte.be - « promouvoir les libertés numériques en Belgique » - hetpact.be ___ Talk-be mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ?

2012-10-25 Thread Julien Fastré
Hi ! I had a contact with Région Wallonne. It seems that it will be too late for getting some money this year... We should have applyed for monday (sooner than expected). But I think this is a chance: we have time to think about our association, and do some stuff for applying next year. I

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ?

2012-10-24 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Dear Jean-Louis i totally agree with you Julien. It was my vision too. Personnaly, I would like to insist on the use of data in universities and schools. Present how to import these data into QGIS and other GIS. Because availability of Datas was a big gap in my education. please add that

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium

2012-10-16 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Pierre, Thanks a lot for you input We have not yet thought of any specific website. As far as I see it, as of today, the official OSM wiki does the job and we do not have to maintain (= devote some workforce) to its technical maintenance. May I also suggest to think about a support from the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium

2012-10-16 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 15 October 2012 21:10:55 Pierre Parmentier wrote: Hello, I am following with interest the discussion about the 'OpenStreetMap Belgium asbl/vzw' project and the arguments in favour of one or two associations. 1. As an argument in favor of _one_ association, I can present the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-15 Thread Julien Fastré
I am sorry for the late answer, the week-end was full of activities. I would also prefer a belgian assocation than a regional one. - we are quite few, we need to do a lot of work: I think we should gather our energy and, maybe later, thinks about splitting if necessary. We are to few for a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-15 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 15 October 2012 17:35:27 Julien Fastré wrote: I am sorry for the late answer, the week-end was full of activities. I would also prefer a belgian assocation than a regional one. It all depends on what you want to do with the association. And so far it's been mostly about applying

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Benoit Coumont
Hello, I would be in favor for two associations, one in Wallonia and Brussels and one in Flanders and Brussels. In Wallonia, we need to give priority to this open door with the Region. It will be possible later to create a network linking belgian and europeans associations to work together in

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
What is the personnal involvement you are refering to Benoit ? You say I'm working in an ancient national environnemental association who has splitted in the 80's in three regional association. Have you got an idea of the good reasons to split ? Some reasons could be : to do as anyone else at

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 12 October 2012 13:44:59 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: I am now asking myself and the list : if we follow you, what about going on with this list and the OSM wiki as usual, see this as the true OSM-BE and consider the associations, one in each parts on Belgium, as some kind of

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
2012/10/12 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com Er, that's basically what the vzw/asbl would be: to support the community. The vzw/asbl won't ever *be* the community if that's what you're suggesting. And it will certainly not be some kind of governing power over the community. exact. Just

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Dennis Bollyn
The problem for me is that the association is basically overhead. It costs money and effort to maintain it while not offering any intrinsic benefits. The only reason we are considering it is because of a (possible) donation from the government. Creating two separate associations would double the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 12 October 2012 14:49:45 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: In such a way, why do we really car that the association be one or two for Belgium, where indeed, in order to get money, you would better, in general, in the culture fields rather be regionnal ? We should care if it matters to the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 12 October 2012 17:21:16 wannes wrote: In favor of KISS: Just make a Belgian asbl, based in Wallonia/Brussels with French bylaws. If needed we can always found a second Belgian asbl, with Dutch bylaws. If not needed we don't. I vote for one Wallonian/French speaking

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Ivo De Broeck
2012/10/12 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com I vote for one Wallonian/French speaking organization. If it's ever needed we can extend that organization to cover the whole Belgium, or start a Flemish one, after having thought about it a bit more than two days and after having had more

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Ivo van den Maagdenberg
Hey everybody. I am the one refered to by Eimai, and did the exercise a few years ago to create the bylaws, but stopped because there was no urgent need at that time; no assets, no concrete fundgathering initiatives on the horizon. It is cool to see movement as people see the need to have a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Pol
Je suis dispo pour aider ! -*φol d.*- 2012/10/10 Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info Goeieavond, Bonsoir, (français ci-dessous) Ik ga mij in het Frans uitdrukken: het is gemakkelijker voor mij. Maar ik heb geen probleem als iemand liever in het Nederlands schreeft ! Een klein

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Le 11 octobre 2012 10:29, Pol d.paol...@gmail.com a écrit : Je suis dispo pour aider ! -*φol d.*- super. Merci de partager avec nous tes suggestions dans cette liste et dans la proposition de statuts éventuellement. Que proposes-tu de faire ? De prendre en charge ? D'organiser ? Où

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi, one question I have of course: if you do get the money, what will you be doing with it :-) Also, living on the other side of our linguistic border, what do we actually prefer: one such organization to span Belgium, or two separate ones? Right now I don't see many Flemish people

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread wannes
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Also, living on the other side of our linguistic border, what do we actually prefer: one such organization to span Belgium, or two separate ones? Right now I don't see many Flemish people involved... I prefer just

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Sander Deryckere
2012/10/11 wannes wanne...@gmail.com On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Also, living on the other side of our linguistic border, what do we actually prefer: one such organization to span Belgium, or two separate ones? Right now I don't see many Flemish

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread wannes
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Dennis Bollyn den...@gyrbo.be wrote: I would also prefer to have a single organization for Belgium. This does have some practical implications. For one, the siège social/maatschappelijke zetel should probably be in Brussels. This allows the statuts/statuten to

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread eMerzh
I can help too... (i live in brussels) The first thing to choose is if we do 2 or 1 organisation (with maybe regional points) Then we need to discuss the object of the association ... and i think we need to become a real local chapter to be able to use osm logo / ...

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Jo
My vote goes to 1 organisation (until we split the country, lol, just kidding). I don't see a problem with only having the bylaws in 1 language, even if it is French :-). Jo 2012/10/11 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com I can help too... (i live in brussels) The first thing to choose is if we do 2

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread eMerzh
about the bylaws published i have some comments but should i set them on the wiki (discussion? ) or here? like the Object de l'assoc.. (art 3.1 ) .. we need to be more OSM specific . I like the opendata mouvement but OSM-belgium is about OSM ..; if we can in the process give access to other

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Julien Fastré
I was proposing voting on the modifications, not on the bylaws ! I am sorry you misunderstood... Of course, it is not the time to vote !!! and we will need a real meeting for that !! Julien Le 11/10/12 15:17, Ben Laenen a écrit : On Thursday 11 October 2012 15:06:47 Julien Fastré wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
2012/10/11 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com I would also like to fully support this any way I can... Also 1 organisation please! :-) +42 (the answer to the question of the universe) until as said, the country is splitted or we are forced or convinced to split. As far as I know, we

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread wannes
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote: As far as I know, we can start with the statuts/Statutes in 1 language and the have them translated, either officially (= published to the moniteur with the first one) or unofficially (= just for us and interested

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Sander Deryckere
Online this will probably take long. Is anyone willing to organise a meeting in real life (preferably on some central place)? Maybe make a doodle to see when most people are available. 2012/10/11 Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be +1 to the idea to get input from the person who proposed

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
2012/10/11 wannes wanne...@gmail.com Yes. Please go for French bylaws and unofficial translation, if speed is important. indeed As I live in Brussels, I also propose and would like to be involved in the association. Would it be possible to have te official adress at your place? yes

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 11 October 2012 16:11:52 wannes wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote: As I live in Brussels, I also propose and would like to be involved in the association. Would it be possible to have te official adress at your place? Because

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Dennis Bollyn
The only problem I see with Triodos is that it doesn't seem to be possible to do any cash transactions (withdraw or deposit money) or have a card. This would make simple purchases quite difficult. Keytrade doesn't seem to have these problems, but I have no personal experience with them. On Thu,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread wannes
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote: Because Brussels is bilingual it would make things easier moving to a bilingual ASBL/VWZ afterwards (altough I don't see any benefit from being bilingual officialy, now we do almost everything in English ...) as long

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ?

2012-10-11 Thread Jean-Louis Stanus
Hello all, I will answer or respond to what i read Julien : about the question: what to do in this asbl and what to do with the money, i thought about such things: - organising some mapping parties and events and communicate about it (to let know OSM) ; - let do some research by

[OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-10 Thread Julien Fastré
Goeieavond, Bonsoir, (français ci-dessous) Ik ga mij in het Frans uitdrukken: het is gemakkelijker voor mij. Maar ik heb geen probleem als iemand liever in het Nederlands schreeft ! Een klein samenvatting, toch! Een subsidie is haalbar bij de Waalse Regio voor een openstreetmap vereniging.