[Talk-GB] Size of download into JOSM

2016-02-12 Thread Stuart Reynolds
Hi, Does anyone know if the limits on download size have changed recently? I’ve been working on the schools project by downloading “Southend on Sea” via a place search and then choosing “boundary” from the list of 2 - that gives me the whole Borough in one go. But today (having upgraded to

[Talk-GB] Schools Mapping Progress Tools

2016-02-12 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
A few additional features that I've added to my tools at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/ recently: * On the maps on postcode area pages e.g. http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/IP/ , matches via ref:* tags are now distinguished from matches based on proximity. The former are

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Lester Caine
On 11/02/16 21:32, Michael Booth wrote: > So my question is, how are we defining villages, towns and cities? Only > by population, or do we also take into account their generally accepted > status (whilst trying to be consistent across the country)? Population is only a rough indicator ... as you

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread SK53
Like you I would certainly expect Kirkcaldy & Dunfermerline as place=towns. They were elevated to this status only in the past 2 months, after having been towns on OSM since 2007. I'll restore them to that status. Unfortunately the rules for places described on the wiki are poorly conceived and

Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

2016-02-12 Thread Tim Waters
Hi Richard, Are you still having issues? That map appears to be okay now, last rectified 3 days ago and was able to rectify it just now. I've a screenshot here: http://imgur.com/bOjMnWq http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261#Preview_tab Find me on IRC as chippy sometime if you are still

Re: [Talk-GB] Additional Tagging Suggestions for Schools

2016-02-12 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 12 February 2016 at 09:51, Stuart Reynolds wrote: > As a side issue, does your tool currently ignore disused:amenity=* tags? If > not, can it please. Thanks. The tool only fetches amenity=school and amenity=college objects, so disused:amenity=* (and other

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Paul Berry
Hi Michael, Going the other way, what's the cutoff between a hamlet and a village? Population 50? 100? I'd say that with these categories there's some fuzziness so go with what feels right. On the ground experience over armchair mapping wins out here I think (as it does for most things OSM). More

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Colin Smale
According to Wikipedia, it is country-dependent. As it is an English word, we should only discuss about its meaning in an English-speaking context. There is no such thing as a hamlet in Germany for example; they have different words with different semantics, which may or may not map onto English

Re: [Talk-GB] Size of download into JOSM

2016-02-12 Thread SK53
It's a limitation in the API (quarter of a degree or 50k nodes IIRC), so Southend has crept over that limit. There are a number of options: - Perform multiple downloads & then keep a Southend file locally. You can then request that it be updated before editing (I do this for a couple of

Re: [Talk-GB] Size of download into JOSM

2016-02-12 Thread Stuart Reynolds
Thanks. I discovered that I *can* actually get the whole Borough, if I dispense with about a mile and a half of sea to the south. As there aren’t many schools down the pier, I thought I could probably live with that :) Will take your advice and save locally / update. Cheers Stuart

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Ian Caldwell
On 11 February 2016 at 21:32, Michael Booth wrote: > So my question is, how are we defining villages, towns and cities? Only by > population, or do we also take into account their generally accepted status > (whilst trying to be consistent across the country)? In England

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Tom Hughes
On 12/02/16 11:51, Ian Caldwell wrote: On 11 February 2016 at 21:32, Michael Booth > wrote: So my question is, how are we defining villages, towns and cities? Only by population, or do we also take into account their generally accepted

Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

2016-02-12 Thread Richard Symonds
yep, seems to be working now! I'll get cracking. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street,

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/02/2016 13:15, Colin Smale wrote: According to Wikipedia, ... ... I wouldn't assume that what wikipedia says has any particular relevance with respect to how something is mapped in OSM. The language used in the English wikipedia is a mix of American and English (and other) usages,

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Stuart Reynolds
Leigh-on-sea has a Town Council. And the residents of Leigh (myself included) like to give it an identity that is distinct from Southend-on-sea, which historically it was. But in practice you would be hard pushed to claim that Leigh was a separate town. Administratively, it has been part of the

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Chris Hill
On 12/02/16 11:51, Ian Caldwell wrote: On 11 February 2016 at 21:32, Michael Booth > wrote: So my question is, how are we defining villages, towns and cities? Only by population, or do we also take into account their generally accepted

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri Feb 12 13:52:13 2016 GMT, Andy Townsend wrote: > > which makes it clear why using the "legal city definition" might not > make sense in OSM _across the board_. It might in some places (it's > essentially what the Irish do, I believe), but I'd argue it doesn't here > because of e.g.

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread SK53
On 12 February 2016 at 13:15, Colin Smale wrote: > According to Wikipedia, it is country-dependent. As it is an English word, > we should only discuss about its meaning in an English-speaking context. > There is no such thing as a hamlet in Germany for example; they have >

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Killyfole and District Development Association
Hi all, In Northern Ireland we have a government body called the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency, who work with the census data to determine the size and definition of a settlement - http://www.nisra.gov.uk/ Do you not have the same in the rest of the UK? Usually when they

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Colin Smale
Can I mention the City of Brighton and Hove? The city status is held by the unitary authority (Brighton and Hove City Council). Neither Brighton nor Hove is a city. //colin On 2016-02-12 15:23, Chris Hill wrote: > On 12/02/16 11:51, Ian Caldwell wrote: > >> On 11 February 2016 at 21:32,

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Colin Smale
We are never going to get worldwide consensus on this, so let's stop trying. Just focusing on the UK situation, as has been mentioned many times before, there are multiple definitions of these terms, all equally correct within their own contexts. there is the legal definition, the people's

[Talk-GB] Additional Tagging Suggestions for Schools

2016-02-12 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
A couple of areas where I think we could improve on our tagging to help data users: * I think it would be useful if we had a machine-readable way to tag an amenity=school area that is actually a site shared between two or more individual schools. In this case, while the area will probably be

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

2016-02-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2016-02-12 at 14:53 +, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Fri Feb 12 13:52:13 2016 GMT, Andy Townsend wrote: I'd be interested to see the history of St David's.  The current node http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=3712052604 was only created in August 2015; I wonder what it was

Re: [Talk-GB] Additional Tagging Suggestions for Schools

2016-02-12 Thread Lester Caine
On 12/02/16 10:51, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > That said, it's on my To Do list to look at doing a fuzzy name > comparison -- probably by deleting common words / phrases (School, > Academy, CofE, Voluntary Controlled, and, &, etc) from both strings > and then seeing if what's left is

Re: [Talk-GB] Additional Tagging Suggestions for Schools

2016-02-12 Thread John Aldridge
On 12-Feb-16 20:22, Lester Caine wrote: On 12/02/16 19:34, John Aldridge wrote: On 12-Feb-16 17:31, Lester Caine wrote: I adopted the standard of official_name=xxx where the edubase listing differs from the signage or other local 'format'... I'm not objecting, but why did you feel you wanted

Re: [Talk-GB] Additional Tagging Suggestions for Schools

2016-02-12 Thread Lester Caine
On 12/02/16 19:34, John Aldridge wrote: > On 12-Feb-16 17:31, Lester Caine wrote: >> I adopted the standard of official_name=xxx where the edubase listing >> differs from the signage or other local 'format'... > > I'm not objecting, but why did you feel you wanted to clone information > from