Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:24:44 + John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: Hello John, In one case, the location of the path is clear, because it runs between two walls and the green Public Footpath signs are present, but a section of it has become completely and densely overgrown with

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-26 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 26/01/13 14:41, Brad Rogers wrote: John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: In one case, the location of the path is clear, because it runs between two walls and the green Public Footpath signs are present, but a section of it has become completely and densely overgrown with brambles. It

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:56:53 + Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote: Hello Jonathan, Actually, AIUI, the landowner can't be forced to, but if the landowner won't reinstate and clear the path, the council must. The council can then charge the full cost of them doing so to the landowner

[Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread John Aldridge
All this discussion of rights of way reminds me: is there a consensus about how (and whether) to map rights-of-way which are either impassable or invisible? I've encountered examples of both round here, and have so far chosen not to map them at all, on the grounds that we're trying to map the

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 10:09 +, John Aldridge wrote: All this discussion of rights of way reminds me: is there a consensus about how (and whether) to map rights-of-way which are either impassable or invisible? I've encountered examples of both round here, and have so far chosen not to

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Hill
not add it until becomes passable. --- Cheers, Chris OSM user: chillly Original message From: John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk Date: 25/01/2013 10:09 (GMT+00:00) To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way All this discussion

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread Dave F.
On 25/01/2013 10:09, John Aldridge wrote: I've encountered examples of both round here, and have so far chosen not to map them at all, on the grounds that we're trying to map the actual state of the ground, not some legal fiction. We should be mapping to both conditions, If, on the ground,

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 13:58 +, Dave F. wrote: Blockages of ways are often just temporary. I disagree with Andy Street's comment: If you can't traverse a right of way then it shouldn't have a highway tag. Okay perhaps I could have been clearer but I wasn't suggesting omitting the highway

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 18:52 +, Andy Street wrote: when someone builds a house over a public right of way Does that happen often? Is there not some requirement to then knock the house down again if it's blocking a right of way? hen ___ Talk-GB

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 19:01 +, Henry Gomersall wrote: On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 18:52 +, Andy Street wrote: when someone builds a house over a public right of way Does that happen often? Is there not some requirement to then knock the house down again if it's blocking a right of way?

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread ASnail Snail
it as official in OSM and the source is the notice board, otherwise I guess they can only mark it as a path.From: h...@cantab.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:01:42 + Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 18:52 +, Andy

Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-25 Thread John Aldridge
On 25/01/2013 18:52, Andy Street wrote: On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 13:58 +, Dave F. wrote: Blockages of ways are often just temporary. I disagree with Andy Street's comment: If you can't traverse a right of way then it shouldn't have a highway tag. Okay perhaps I could have been clearer but I

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-20 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 21:37 +, Graham Jones wrote: The map tiles for the canal map I just generated take up 2.4GB (down to zoom level 14). I just extracted the canal data from the database (lines, points and polygons) and as a simple text file it was less than 57MB. Gzip compression took

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-19 Thread Chris Moss
Thanks Graham and Malcolm, Certainly I can see for the first time where the gaps are in the waterway coverage and it encourages me to explore mapnik and see how everything works. Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Peter Miller
In addition to the above, ITO will shortly be releasing a number of additional views of the data together with a way of simply defining additional views. The rending will be reasonably basic compared to Mapnik, however the scripting will also be simple. We are going to start with some 'canned'

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
already spend lots of their free time keeping the worldwide OSM platform going. Jerry From: Chris Moss mosch...@googlemail.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Mon, 17 January, 2011 23:05:56 Subject: [Talk-GB] invisible I'm interested in the GB waterways

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Tom Chance
Graham, Nice power map! Does it take account of the new, more powerful tagging schema? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator Also, you might like this: http://tomchance.dev.openstreetmap.org/kml/power_uk.kml You can pop it into Google Maps or Harry's KML viewer, though the

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Chris Moss wrote: Shouldn't maps allow you to concentrate on whatever you're interested in? Can someone please explain to me how or if this can be done with openstreetmap? It can certainly be done if you're prepared to put the effort in. Bear in mind that OSM isn't really an end user map

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Chris Saunter
Hi Chris, I've read through the replies to your post and my take on this is client side rendering - it's hard to make this as pretty or neat as bitmap tiles, but for random exploration of the dataset it's powerfull. Pre-generating tiles for every concievable view of the OSM dataset is not a very

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Chris Saunter wrote: 2) Browser based viewer using javascript - this could be a hybrid bitmap/vector renderer that annotates bitmap tiles FWIW Potlatch 2's renderer, Halcyon, is fully stylable (using MapCSS) and also exists as a stand-alone SWF applet that you can simply drop into any

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 18/01/11 11:02, Chris Saunter wrote: I have an iOS app that renders vector map data on the fly, to allow configurable rendering with selectable views (contours, waterways etc). Streaming data to the app is a bit of a problem, so it runs from an offline binary cache that is pre-optimised for

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 11:02 +, Chris Saunter wrote: Pre-generating tiles for every concievable view of the OSM dataset is not a very efficient way of dealing with different people wanting to view different geographic areas in different styles. Why can this not be done (to a reasonable

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Graham Jones
Tom, I'll have a look at how it works tonight - It is getting the power source from somewhere, but I don't remember parsing tags with colons in themMaybe there is an old schema that I used.I think I set it up by analysing the tags used in the databse rather than reading documentation -

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 18 January 2011 11:09 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] invisible Chris Saunter wrote: 2) Browser based viewer using javascript - this could be a hybrid bitmap/vector renderer that annotates bitmap tiles FWIW

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Robinson wrote: Richard, have you got (or know of) an example of this which is up and running and accessible somewhere? There's an old old version at http://www.geowiki.com/halcyon/ . I'll try and put a new version up this weekend. cheers Richard

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Graham Jones
Henry, I think you are describing what my examples do - for example the map at http://maps.webhop.net/topo uses a simple base map and the OpenLayers javascript program running in the web browser draws the selectable overlays on top of it - the overlays are PNG images with a transparent background.

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Chris Saunter
Hi Folks, Using transparent overlays is easy - you do not need to do any real time processing - just get an image from a server and dispaly it.   Going for something cleverer like vector rendering needs a database to give you the correct data, then the javascript in the web browser needs to

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 13:00 +, Graham Jones wrote: I think you are describing what my examples do - for example the map at http://maps.webhop.net/topo uses a simple base map and the OpenLayers javascript program running in the web browser draws the selectable overlays on top of it - the

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Chris Moss
Many thanks to everyone who's replied. I have a page full of notes from all your suggestions. The amount that is going on is very impressive. Richard's point that OSM is a data project rather than an end user map website puzzles me. I can understand that in server terms there are huge

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Chris Moss wrote: Richard's point that OSM is a data project rather than an end user map website puzzles me. I can understand that in server terms there are huge demands but isn't one of the ways of coping with that by being selective about the data that's given out. We're a data

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I think that a static (periodically refreshed) 'binary tile' architecture where the OSM DB is boiled down into tiles designed for the single purpose of being rendered quickly is the way to go. Ideally a map viewer can then call upon both the standard bitmap tiles and the vector tiles and combine

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Jason Cunningham
I've also got an interest in waterways and found it was possible to make them leap out using OSM Inspector in the Geofabrik Tools website http://tools.geofabrik.de/ This is the link I use to view water in South London

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Graham Jones
Hi Folks, To reply to the original question, I have had a *very* quick go at rendering an overlay showing canal infrastructure over the standard OSM map rendering. The higher zoom level tiles are still generating, but most of it is at http://maps.webhop.net/canals. It is running on my home server,

[Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Moss
I'm interested in the GB waterways and it seems there's quite a bit of work done but it's totally invisible. Is anyone working on a layer like the cycle map, which leaps out from the overlays as the only minority interest yet developed? It's not the only layer I'd like to see. What about

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-17 Thread Graham Jones
Chris, I don't know one about waterways, but for walking routes it is worth looking at Lonvia's hiking map (http://osm.lonvia.de/world_hiking.html) - I use this one. I have had a bit of a go at learning how to create overlays for other things - I started with supermarkets

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/01/2011 23:21, Graham Jones wrote: Chris, I don't know one about waterways, but for walking routes it is worth looking at Lonvia's hiking map (http://osm.lonvia.de/world_hiking.html) - I use this one. That's really useful - I'd no idea that there was anywhere that rendered these all

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/01/2011 23:05, Chris Moss wrote: ... What about ... bus routes ... There's http://openbusmap.org/ , although that's not being updatd currently. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-17 Thread Craig Wallace
On 17/01/2011 23:05, Chris Moss wrote: I'm interested in the GB waterways and it seems there's quite a bit of work done but it's totally invisible. Is anyone working on a layer like the cycle map, which leaps out from the overlays as the only minority interest yet developed? It's not the only