Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet

2011-07-05 Thread Mike Duffy
Anyone going to Halesowen on Thursday evening? Miked29 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet

2011-07-05 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
You mean Harborne I hope Mike ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 05 July 2011 11:10 PM To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet Anyone going to Halesowen on Thursday evening?

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread Tom Chance
On 4 July 2011 14:05, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: On 04/07/2011 12:48, Donald Noble wrote: Sorry if this has been covered before, but I was just wondering what the copyright position is with checking details of, say a church or a shop, on their website and then adding those

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Chance wrote: So I suspect it's potentially breaching copyright, and a matter of judgement as to whether it's worth the risk. For example, if you were copying in data from a commercial web site whose business model was based around that data (like a listing of pubs) you might get

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Borbus
On 04/07/11 18:36, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: So presumably we also need confirmation from Ordnance Survey that they're happy for their content to be distributed under DbCL (or at least under the ODbL+DbCL combination). No, because they've agreed that licensing their data under ODbL is not

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Fantastic news - thanks to the License Working Group for their efforts on this. I've added a new answer to the http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/5792/can-i-accept-the-new-contributor-terms-if-ive-contributed-data-from-ordnance-survey-opendata /Can I accept the new Contributor Terms if I've

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Ed Avis
Michael Collinson mike@... writes: Ordnance Survey has explicitly considered any licensing conflict between their license and ODbL and has no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0. As I understand it the objection was not so

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread Ed Avis
My rule of thumb is that getting facts from an individual website for a cafe or shop or church is fine, but do not copy from online directories or the databases maintained by search engines. If adding details from a website I will usually note it in the 'source' or 'uri' tags, or in the changeset

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Earl wrote: Even then, to infringe database copyright under UK law you would have to copy a substantial part of the database. Checking or obtaining a few names against such a list isn't database copyright infringement Oh, absolutely. The thing I've always been anxious about, though, is

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/07/2011 11:26, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Earl wrote: Even then, to infringe database copyright under UK law you would have to copy a substantial part of the database. Checking or obtaining a few names against such a list isn't database copyright infringement Oh, absolutely. The

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK Michael Collinson mike@... writes: Ordnance Survey has explicitly considered any licensing conflict between

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread Nick Austin
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:58 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: To take a different example, the Royal Mail (still) claims database copyright over the PAF (postcode address file) database. Would crowd sourcing the address vs postcode data by each individual putting in their own

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/07/2011 12:28, Nick Austin wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:58 AM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: To take a different example, the Royal Mail (still) claims database copyright over the PAF (postcode address file) database. Would crowd sourcing the address vs postcode data

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread 80n
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Following my correspondence and a follow-up informal meeting by Henk Hoff, I am now pleased to announce that the licensing group of the Ordnance Survey has explicitly considered any licensing conflict between their

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: So presumably we also need confirmation from Ordnance Survey that they're happy for their content to be distributed under DbCL (or at least under the ODbL+DbCL combination). I think that's a red herring, isn't it? ODbL imposes additional requirements over and

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 5 July 2011 13:14, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I think that's a red herring, isn't it? ODbL imposes additional requirements over and above DbCL. OSM is not distributing OS OpenData under DbCL alone, nor does it permit anyone else to do so (subject to the usual 'Substantial'

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: In the context of OSM, the fact that the contents will be under DbCL will enable users to make use insubstantial extracts without having to provide any attribution or share-alike or anything else. Again, as I said, insubstantial is statute law - both the EU

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread 80n
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: So presumably we also need confirmation from Ordnance Survey that they're happy for their content to be distributed under DbCL (or at least under the ODbL+DbCL combination). I

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: So if I understand what you're saying correctly, because there are already provisions in UK law (and possibly elsewhere) that allow you to make use of insubstantial parts of a work in any way you want without infringing any copyright or database rights, we

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 04 July 2011 2:03 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK Mike Collinson wrote: I would like to thank the Ordnance Survey for their kind consideration and the speed in which they were able to