Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

2020-12-13 Thread Philip Barnes
We as a UK community, certainly from the countryside mapping point of view tend to be walkers and cyclists. We see a track, we know its a track because the tagging language of OSM is after all our native language. Take for example http://trigpoint.myzen.co.uk/photodump/20201212_150029.jpg This

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway across field

2020-12-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Firstly, before worrying about mapping is to report the illegal obsruction, i.e. the locked gate to the highway authority so that action can be taken to get the problem resolved. In my experience they like a photo of the problem. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 8 December 2020, Mark Lee via

Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

2020-11-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:36 +, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: > I am pretty sure that I remember checking bridges in my area some > time ago, using a tool that someone kindly provided, which flagged up > all bridges, where the clearance height was not specified in OSM. > > I regret that I

Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

2020-11-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-11-12 at 23:54 +, Neil Matthews wrote: > https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/network-rail-reveals-most-bashed-bridge-in-britain-09-11-2020/ > > Saw this and thought it might suit a small virtual project - to > check/add bridge heights from mapillary images or similar might

Re: [Talk-GB] Weight restrictions

2020-11-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:32 +, Edward Bainton wrote: > Hi all > I've been reading the wiki here on conditional restrictions. > > Should these be along the whole length of the relevant road, or can > they be on a fragment of way near the restriction sign? > > Eg, the whole of Stanwick,

Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts

2020-11-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-11-10 at 11:31 +, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 10/11/2020 10:55, Jon Pennycook wrote: > > Returning to this subject, but not necessarily at roundabouts - > > turn > > restrictions are still being added even where they don't exist > > (apparently) - e.g. > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 12:10 +0100, Ben Proctor wrote: > Thanks to everyone who has chipped in on this thread so far. > > I'd like to draw out what I see as the key threads of the discussion > so far: > The use of :cy and :en name tags should be encouraged. It allows more > flexibility in

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

2020-10-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-10-16 at 14:28 +0100, David Woolley wrote: > On 16/10/2020 14:08, Gruff Owen wrote: > > With that in mind, and admittedly polemicising the debate a little. > > If > > we accept the premise that the native language of Wales is Welsh > > and > > that OSM is a community mapping project

Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts

2020-10-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-10-03 at 18:36 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2020-10-03 18:16, Tom Hughes via Talk-GB wrote: > > On 03/10/2020 16:57, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > > > > They are intended to stop this type of routing > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/direct

Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts

2020-10-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-10-03 at 16:50 +0100, Tom Hughes via Talk-GB wrote: > On 03/10/2020 14:05, Brian Prangle wrote: > > > There seems to be a predilection for adding turn restrictions , > > either > > no right rurns or no U turns at the exit flares of roundabouts to > > prevent turning back into the

Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts

2020-10-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-10-03 at 14:05 +0100, Brian Prangle wrote: > Hi > > There seems to be a predilection for adding turn restrictions , > either no right rurns or no U turns at the exit flares of roundabouts > to prevent turning back into the entry flares where there are no > explicit signed

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 10:10 +0100, Mark Goodge wrote: > > On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > > Remember: OSM is not an IT project. > > Indeed not. But this is also a good example of the truism that OSM > is > not a map, it's a database. Having the right data in the database >

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and > to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work! > > After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step > as a

Re: [Talk-gb-london] Question about London's habit of mapping

2020-09-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-09-23 at 10:15 +0100, Corentin Furet wrote: > Hello everybody, > > > I am new in London (and in the UK in general) and I started mapping > around me. I have some questions about local habit of mapping. > Welcome to the UK. This list is very quiet, your messgaes will be seen by far

Re: [Talk-gb-london] Question about London's habit of mapping

2020-09-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-09-23 at 22:02 +0100, Inan Hira via Talk-gb-london wrote: > > Along with an in person survey, borough websites/maps could be a good > reference. Also check Royal Mail's postcode finder [3] to see if > you're > missing any building numbers or names. > > [3]:

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Marton, Shropshire

2020-08-17 Thread Philip Barnes
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.62023=-3.07049#map=18/52.62023/-3.07049 Phil On Mon, 2020-08-17 at 22:51 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: > I've identified the postcode, SY21 8JY, and found a list of > properties > which share it: > >http://www.mycounciltax.org.uk/results?postcode=sy218jy

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Marton, Shropshire

2020-08-17 Thread Philip Barnes
Possible at some point, a bridleway passes it. Phil On Mon, 2020-08-17 at 22:51 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: > I've identified the postcode, SY21 8JY, and found a list of > properties > which share it: > >http://www.mycounciltax.org.uk/results?postcode=sy218jy > > It's very close to

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

2020-07-16 Thread Philip Barnes
I must admit that I have never thought of mapping one, we tend to just use them to confirm the legal status of a right of way in much the same as we map speedlimits, not the signs. Probably map them as man_made:signpost or something similar. They are a very common everyday object so would not

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 11:51 +0100, Nick wrote: > That would be great, bearing in mind access rights differ (e.g. > Scotland > and England). Not just England, Wales too. Phil (trigpoint) > > A really interesting point regarding temporary land-use (forestry, > farming etc.) restrictions -

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-07-10 at 11:54 +, Andrew Hain wrote: > I have been doing some tidying based on Osmose, including the warning > for highway=footway foot=yes, which is often left over from a preset > in Potlatch 1. > > > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87672607 > > > > > > I

Re: [Talk-GB] M58 / A49 Link Road Wigan - Open - Needs Mapping

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 18:25 +0100, Tony OSM wrote: > Reported in Local Newspapers > https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/long-awaited-20m-road-linking-18495724 > > the road has opened. > > Can anyone point me to a definitive line to allow me to map it, or > does

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM

2020-06-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-06-21 at 08:42 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: > > > Jun 21, 2020, 01:21 by list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net: > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > You’ll remember that a couple of weeks ago I posted about the > > > work I’m doing to look at getting

Re: [Talk-GB] hgv=discouraged

2020-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi MateuszYou would need to venture deep into the rural UK to start finding these signs, they are quite common around here.An example here https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/Hys6QlJfrRC9fNHsPzeTTQ This one is just narrow, with few ad-hoc passing places, places to squeeze to allow another car to pass

Re: [Talk-GB] Talk-GB Digest, Vol 164, Issue 16

2020-05-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 21:35 +0100, SK53 wrote: > Its quite possible that this just cannot be done. I believe > Leicestershire, and consequently Rutland as well, does not use any > reference to tehe parish in the identifiers used in official > documents. Instead all paths consist if a letter

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW archive

2020-05-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 20:50 +0200, BD wrote: > Hello again, > > I was looking at the discussion about PRoW and how to request the > information from local council. I wonder if there is a comprehensive > list/central location where we have stored information regarding > which council has been

Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

2020-04-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-04-26 at 12:44 +0100, Andy Townsend wrote: > Hello, > > How is it suggested to tag "there are commonwealth war graves here"? > > At least near me, there's usually a fairly large white on green sign > near the entrance, so even if it's not something you'd explicitly go > out > to

Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-03-20 at 18:11 +0100, Colin Smale wrote: > If there is anyone who keeps a weather eye on South-West London, in > particular the Twickenham area, would they like to cast their eye > over the changesets of a brand-new user "tommyf5"? He has been busy > today making many changes that I

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

2020-03-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 19:09 +, Mark Goodge wrote: > > People are beginning to get more used to doing that, though. A lot > of > coffee shop chains offer a discount for people bringing a re-usable > cup. > Waitrose gives customers free coffee if they have a re-usable cup. > So > the

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

2020-03-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 18:59 +0100, European Water Project wrote: > Hi Phil, > I respect your opinion about the fit for the Quarterly Project. I > don't know enough about the project criteria to have an opinion - > even if I am passionate on the subject. I do understand you passion on the subject,

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

2020-03-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 12:17 +0100, European Water Project wrote: > Dear Jez, > Gus Hoyt who was responsible at Refill UK (before being made > redundant), for all partnerships was a vocal proponent of > collaboration and open data. > > Unfortunately, the Refill board has consistently voted to

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

2020-02-24 Thread Philip Barnes
The West Midlands showgroung is tagged as amenity=showground. Phil (trigpoint) On Monday, 24 February 2020, SK53 wrote: > I asked similar questions about 6 months ago: > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2019-September/023452.html > , > and there are other discussions going back

Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-02-03 at 13:47 +, SK53 wrote: > There's one fairly close to me (or at least their sign is still > there, I've not recently verified that they still exist). We used > shop=coal (but see below), which is not far off the more generic > shop=fuel. > > It's over 20 years ago since I

Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sunday, 2 February 2020, Andy Robinson wrote: > Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around, > probably many of them in some countries. > > amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on the > map for your efforts. > >

Re: [Talk-GB] railway=halt

2020-02-01 Thread Philip Barnes
In GB halt has been used to indicate request stops. That is the how they are described by train staff, as opposed to Principal Stations where the train always stops. You will find lots of halts on the Cambrian, Heart of Wales and three on the Shrewsbury Crew Railway. Typical announcement

Re: [Talk-GB] Presumed Vandalism

2020-01-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 29 January 2020, Neil Matthews wrote: > See edits by https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Jackgeo123 > Hi Neil It certainly looks like vandalism and needs to be reverted. However one issue I did spot was there previously, https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1783525689 is unlikely to

Re: [Talk-GB] 2 OSMUK presentations done in the first 2 weeks of 2020

2020-01-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 17 January 2020, Jez Nicholson wrote: > Just FYI, I've started off 2020 with a bang by doing 2 OSMUK presentations > in the first 2 weeks. Firstly to #geomob in London about the FHRS Project + > OSMUK progress. Secondly to the Shrewsbury Geospatial Forum as an intro to > OSM and its

Re: [Talk-GB] WeeklyOSM: Road colouring and local taginfo

2020-01-12 Thread Philip Barnes
This does remind me of seeing a similar map at SOTM Scotland a few years ago showing roads named street which should show mostly urban areas. Unfortunately there was, and still is an issue with Watling Street, a very prolific armchair mapper has added the name to any part of the A5/Watling

Re: [Talk-GB] Map with AI comes to the UK

2020-01-05 Thread Philip Barnes
Thank you Andy, have commented, waiting to see if they respond. Phil (trigpoint) On Sunday, 5 January 2020, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 05/01/2020 21:33, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I have just come across an armchair edit using Facebook AI data. > > > > They do seem to

Re: [Talk-GB] Map with AI comes to the UK

2020-01-05 Thread Philip Barnes
I have just come across an armchair edit using Facebook AI data. They do seem to have failed to check that detections are accurate, or lack experience to identify common Midlands farmland features. They have mapped several hedges as tracks. Something I think we need to watch out for, this tech is

Re: [Talk-GB] Map with AI comes to the UK

2020-01-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-01-05 at 15:02 +, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Thanks Jerry. > > I'd also subsequently discovered the data dump but had not yet got > around to looking at it. What are you using here to view and work > with the data? Is QGIS and 6GB RAM sufficient? > > I would be interested in

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?

2020-01-01 Thread Philip Barnes
I had mapped, but forgotten to add the operator to the Inpost locker at Morrisions. The only thing I have ever collected from Inpost are my two interrail passes for SOTM Milan and SOTM Heidelberg. Maybe a Morrions without such lockers mapped is a survey opportunity? Phil (trigpoint) On Wed,

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?

2020-01-01 Thread Philip Barnes
They are certainly not post boxes, I have used amenity=vending_machine, vending=parcel_pickup which is a combination that probably came from asking on #osm. For example my local one https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5978482863 https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Pna indicates the taging has a fair

Re: [Talk-GB] Tapi Carpets

2019-12-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2019-12-20 at 12:50 +, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 12:44, Andy Mabbett > wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 11:59, Philip Barnes > > wrote: > > > > > I am hoping to add Tapi Carpets to the name suggestion index, > > > howeve

[Talk-GB] Tapi Carpets

2019-12-20 Thread Philip Barnes
I am hoping to add Tapi Carpets to the name suggestion index, however it doesn't have a wikidata tag. Searches lead to Allied Carpets. Is anyone able to create a wikidata tag, or fix the issue? Thanks Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Sailfish device

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a Department Store

2019-12-20 Thread Philip Barnes
Thank you guys. Thinking about it, at that time when all that was entered into the till was the price separate tills would have made accounting for each department easier. Now with barcodes it is a simple piece of software. Phil (trigpoint) ___

Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

2019-12-20 Thread Philip Barnes
As Stuart said, last time I went in one it was interior decoration and didn't sell clothes so probably one which needs a survey for each individual shop. Phil (trigpoint) On Friday, 20 December 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote: > You could generalise if the majority of stores fit the standard

[Talk-GB] What is a Department Store

2019-12-19 Thread Philip Barnes
A simple question, but probably a complex answer. Growing up a department store was divided up into a series of departments, each operated almost as separate shops with their own staff, own till and you paid for what you bought before you moved on to the next department. The obvious example is

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-18 Thread Philip Barnes
t; > > I think barrier=kerb + highway=crossing should be regarded as a mistake. > > Taginfo shows ~ 1000 of them (0.47 of barrier=kerb nodes; 0.03% of > > highway=crossing nodes) which should fixable. > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:37 PM Philip Barnes > > wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, David Woolley wrote: > On 18/12/2019 13:31, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > That said, the same goes for cars - other than the lowest bodied sports > > cars, pretty much all motor vehicles are capable of taking a kerb at low > > speed. > > Although raised

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 16 December 2019, Gareth L wrote: > I’m all for using a polygon per field, but am unsure what to do at the > boundaries. Do I make 2 field polygons meet? Or leave a gap as there’s a > track/hedge/fence/small coppice/ ditch/drain ? I’m probably not going to be > able to map the

Re: [Talk-GB] Strava heatmaps - permission reconfirmed

2019-11-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2019-11-21 at 19:51 +, Rob Nickerson wrote: > If struggling with setting up the Stava layer, or annoyed with > cookies, then may I suggest the following page: > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Strava heatmaps - permission reconfirmed

2019-11-24 Thread Philip Barnes
nnn- nn_fbp_ga_gid_strava4_sessionajs_anonymous_idajs_group_idajs_user_idsp Phil (trigpoint) > On 19/11/2019 19:55, Philip Barnes > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2019-11-18 at 17:28 +, Michael Booth wrote: > > &

Re: [Talk-GB] Strava heatmaps - permission reconfirmed

2019-11-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2019-11-18 at 17:28 +, Michael Booth wrote: > Only problem is that Strava's iD fork > includes the low-res heatmap tiles, plus I don't think the > Slide > tool works anymore and it's a really old version of iD. > > > > > > The high-res heatmap tiles

Re: [Talk-GB] The Range - looking for tagging consensus

2019-11-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 19 November 2019, Silent Spike wrote: > So I think what I'll do for now is go ahead and add this under > `shop=houseware` since both replies here are in favour of that. If in > future consensus changes (and adding this into the index is likely to bring > any disagreement that hasn't

Re: [Talk-GB] Import of UK SSSI data

2019-11-16 Thread Philip Barnes
4425154bfda349ccf493487a80_0/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The data is freely usable, so there shouldn't be any > > > licensing issues. > > > > > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Import of UK SSSI data

2019-11-16 Thread Philip Barnes
What is the source of the data you are planning to import? Remember wikipedia is not a useable source under OSM licensing terms. Phil (trigpoint) On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 15:12 +, Henry Bush wrote: > Hello all, > > (I've sent this to both the talk-gb and imports mailing lists) > > This is

Re: [Talk-GB] Poly Tunnels vs Greenhouses

2019-11-08 Thread Philip Barnes
No problem with boats and greenhouses that don't move. But these are probably seasonal and certainly shouldn't be mapped from aerial imagery alone as they may have long gone. They certainly need a recent survey. It reminds me of the time an armchair mapper carefully traced a Maize Maze that

[Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Name Suggestion Index

2019-11-06 Thread Philip Barnes
My local Hotel Chocolate is also a cafe. Phil (trigpoint) > On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, Paul Berry wrote: > > Continuing with the Hotel Chocolat example, it could well be the case that > > most are tagged with shop=confectionery because that was the nearest-fit > > tag that was suggested

Re: [Talk-GB] Resurrecting the 'find the missing paths for 2026' project

2019-10-01 Thread Philip Barnes
See https://www.ramblers.org.uk/get-involved/campaign-with-us/dont-lose-your-way-2026.aspx https://www.oss.org.uk/what-do-we-fight-for/footpaths-rights-of-way/the-deregulation-act/ Historically we have been able to claim lost rights of way by providing user evidence and have them added to the

Re: [Talk-GB] non-squared buildings

2019-09-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 30 September 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote: > Some people seem quite animated about non-squared buildings in OSMcan > anyone tell me why it matters so much? because 'accuracy'? Was thinking about squared buildings whilst in my local high street a while back. There wasn't one in

Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project will be fixmes and notes

2019-09-28 Thread Philip Barnes
OSMand also shows them. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 24 September 2019, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 24/09/2019 13:24, Michael Booth wrote: > > Fixmes can only be viewed in iD or with a QA tool, while notes can be > > viewed on osm.org and StreetComplete which is useful for actually > > going

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-24 Thread Philip Barnes
I am inclined to go with disused:shop to indicate it is no longer a travel agent, but leave the name as it is likely to remain a landmark for sometime. Our local Toys'R'Us has only recently lost its branding. Also being careful not to remove his statue from outside Leicester railway station,

Re: [Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Not displaying a house number is particularly prevalent with 'end of cul-de-sac' man where this makes working out where odd and even meet. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 30 July 2019, David Woolley wrote: > On 30/07/2019 14:19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Is it typical for post codes to be

Re: [Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes
We can use fhrs to obtain postcodes for businesses which sell food and drink, and these can be extended to other premises. Residential areas are rather more difficult. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 30 July 2019, Andrzej wrote: > Only postbox reference numbers, which are somewhat related to

Re: [Talk-GB] Ground truth v legal truth

2019-07-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2019-07-19 at 07:06 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Tom Hughes wrote: > > That doesn't follow - in the UK we have always (with very rare > > exceptions like Oxford High Street) mapped secondary, primary > > and trunk to the official status of the road. > > It's slightly more nuanced

Re: [Talk-GB] Ground truth v legal truth

2019-07-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2019-07-19 at 16:43 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: > On 19/07/2019 16:04, Philip Barnes wrote: > > As the sabristi have already discovered this one, and the OSM edits > > appear linked to Sabre Wiki edits, I will identify it. > > > > In this case I am concentra

Re: [Talk-GB] Ground truth v legal truth

2019-07-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2019-07-19 at 15:06 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 19/07/2019 14:17, David Woolley wrote: > > On 19/07/2019 13:37, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > > I would say the logical consequence of that argument is that no > > > > road > > > > should be mapped as tertiary, as, unless taken from OS, it is >

[Talk-GB] Ground truth v legal truth

2019-07-19 Thread Philip Barnes
I have always held the view that the great strength of OSM is boots on the ground and mapping what we see is always better than other sources. I currently have a dispute with a remote mapper who is upgrading tertiary roads to primary. In the case of one I see a quiet tertiary road, with no

Re: [Talk-GB] Trig Point references

2019-07-12 Thread Philip Barnes
--- Original message --- > On Friday, 12 July 2019, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > > On 12/07/2019 21:19, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > Hi Brian > > > Each pillar has a plate with an OS reassigned reference, which is easily > > > on the ground verifiabl

Re: [Talk-GB] Trig Point references

2019-07-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 12 July 2019, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Friday, 12 July 2019, Brian Prangle wrote: > > I've noticed that some trigpoints are tagged with a reference prefixed > > TPUK. This is a reference to the numbers assigned by the website > > http://trigpointing.uk/ which h

Re: [Talk-GB] Trig Point references

2019-07-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 12 July 2019, Brian Prangle wrote: > I've noticed that some trigpoints are tagged with a reference prefixed > TPUK. This is a reference to the numbers assigned by the website > http://trigpointing.uk/ which has the following text as a footer: "The > TrigpointingUK database is owned and

Re: [Talk-GB] Shops replaced with those tagged in Google maps?

2019-07-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2019-07-10 at 17:29 +0100, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > Hi > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69064630#map=16/51.3132/-0.3029 > > A user has removed what looks like valid data including shops & > replaced > with those listed in Google Maps > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Newish user causing damage-...

2019-06-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-06-23 at 16:50 +0100, Andy Townsend wrote: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2922 > > (apologies for terseness - sending from pub beer garden) Thank you Andy. I have reverted this, I had already reverted their previous changes. Must admit I thought they had given up.

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Swift Payzones .

2019-06-20 Thread Philip Barnes
There was a discussion on this subject a while back on the tagging list. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 20 June 2019, Brian Prangle wrote: > Hi Andy > > All the original swift collectors were mapped in collaboration with TfWM. > They're tagged as per this example > > amenity=vending_machine >

Re: [Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

2019-06-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a > > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is > > that > > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than > > nothing? > > Thanks

Re: [Talk-GB] Road/Rail Bridge near Preston Park

2019-06-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 4 June 2019, Tony Shield wrote: > Hi > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.83309/-0.14321 > > shows New England Road and Old Shoreham Road Brighton. > > The standard OSM render shows 12 rail lines bridged over the roads, > could be read as there being 12 bridges. > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Playground age limits

2019-06-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 4 June 2019, Martin Wynne wrote: > On 04/06/2019 15:31, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I would map them as separate playgrounds, map the fence and gate then add > > age tags as appropriate to that area. > > > > My towns main rec has such a distinction, ou

Re: [Talk-GB] Playground age limits

2019-06-04 Thread Philip Barnes
I would map them as separate playgrounds, map the fence and gate then add age tags as appropriate to that area. My towns main rec has such a distinction, outside the fenced children's area anyone can use the equipment. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 4 June 2019, Martin Wynne wrote: > In

Re: [Talk-GB] Preston Park, Brighton

2019-06-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 4 June 2019, Tony Shield wrote: > > Parkrun as a relation - why not, its similar to a country walk and we > notate those. Would want to add parkrun description to UK wiki as to the > meanings in the relationship. > We only map walking, or cycling, routes which are verifiable on the

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 24 May 2019, SK53 wrote: > As a walker I appreciate walking through a real hay meadow full of > attractive flowers rather than a sterile green desert of rye grass. And as a walker a real meadow is a very nice place to sit down and enjoy a relaxing lunch or coffee break. Phil

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
I have used farmland=pasture and farmland=arable to cover these cases. Other cases could be farmland=vineyard. Sadly too many mappers use meadow to describe pasture which is a shame as it would be good to be able to find real meadows. Obviously these cannot easily be armchaired. I don't

Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag this?

2019-05-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Also building=phonebox which I use. The most common usage is defibrillators and bookshares. Phil (trigpoint) On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, Martin Wynne wrote: > On 08/05/2019 12:46, Andy Townsend wrote: > > > It's a bit of a stretch, but perhaps some kind of tourist information > > feature? > >

Re: [Talk-GB] London venues

2019-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2019-03-13 at 23:14 +, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi all, > > For the next OSM UK annual general meeting we thought we would try > London as a possible location. Does anyone know of good (and cheap) > venues that we can use? We have 100 members but would expect the > number to actually

Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?

2019-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 18:10 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > barrier=stile seems unhelpful to me if rendered as a normal stile > symbol, for walkers needing to know if they will have to climb any. > > barrier=chicane would perhaps be more descriptive? barrier=chicane will already be in use,

Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?

2019-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 17:18 +0100, Michael Collinson wrote: > ced close to each other (usually in a drystone wall) to > leave a gap wide enough for humans and sheep dogs to squeeze through That is a squeeze stile, stile=squeezer.

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Collaboration with shire transport authorities

2019-04-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 11:45 +0100, Brian Prangle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > Mainly for west mids mappers but cross-posted to talkgb for a wider > audience. > For some time I've collaborated with TfWM who make extensive > use of OpenStreetMap. Together

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping a combined stile and gate?

2019-04-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2019-04-22 at 15:34 +0100, Roger Calvert wrote: > The Lake District National Park instructions to footpath > surveyors > recommends: > > > > "Where there are two items of furniture for the same crossing > (for > example, a gate and a stile alongside each other), then

Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of redundant NaPTAN data

2019-04-04 Thread Philip Barnes
I believe they were the zones covered by plusbus tickets. Although the Telford one is certainly unlikely as it has not been maintained since the import and Telford has expanded beyond it. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 4 April 2019, Stuart Reynolds wrote: > What do you mean by “pay scale”? Are

Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of redundant NaPTAN data

2019-04-04 Thread Philip Barnes
The Telford one certainly looks highly dubious cutting residential areas and bus routes. I agree these and public transport routes are best left to organisations such as traveline. After all a bus route without timetable information is pretty useless. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 4 April

Re: [Talk-GB] State of the Map 2019, Heidelberg 21-23 Sept

2019-04-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2019-03-30 at 14:13 +, Jez Nicholson wrote: > That's interestingI'd wanted to go by train before as its more > eco-friendly and more interesting, but struggled with the cost > compared to flights. Do you use Loco2.com to plan? I have used loco2, but since they have stopped selling

Re: [Talk-GB] State of the Map 2019, Heidelberg 21-23 Sept

2019-03-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2019-03-13 at 17:03 +, Jez Nicholson wrote: > Have you considered going to State of the Map 2019 in Heidelberg? > https://2019.stateofthemap.org/ > Assuming that we are still allowed to travel to Europe, you could > currently get a return flight from Gatwick to Stuttgart for £75 and a

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 15:15 +, David Woolley wrote: > On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote: > > > I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal > > Argos > > store, but just wondering: > > a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in > > another > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 14:58 +, Donald Noble wrote: > I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the > large Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how > best to tag this. > I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in > multiple

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-03-05 at 19:37 +, Andy Townsend wrote: > > but it's a rare bridleway that is only wide enough for a horse, > > As DaveF has already suggested, I suspect that's hugely > geographically variable - I can think of a few examples in > Derbyshire, Notts and Yorkshire where "public

Re: [Talk-GB] How to map new housing?

2019-03-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Field boundaries are often retained (development usually takes a field at a time), look out for these. They are a useful guide to aligning stuff with old aerial imagery. Phil (trigpoint) On Fri, 2019-03-08 at 14:38 +, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > Hi > > Welcome to OSM. > > > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Problem Saving edit to Wiki: United Kingdom Tagging Guideline

2019-02-07 Thread Philip Barnes
Just wondering why the UK retail chains link has been removed? Phil (trigpoint) On 7 February 2019 16:18:35 GMT, Jez Nicholson wrote: >I think it must be you. I just edited the 'See Also..'. Perhaps it >secretly >wants you to create a "Driving Centres in the United Kingdom" page >instead >;) >

Re: [Talk-GB] Cotswolds AONB

2018-12-06 Thread Philip Barnes
Sorry that should be way 645960418, I typed the changeset number in error. Phil (trigpoint) On 6 December 2018 13:12:23 GMT, Philip Barnes wrote: >Not in a position to fix it now, but look at way 64621112. > >Phil (trigpoint) > >On 6 December 2018 12:57:47 GMT, Brian Prangle

Re: [Talk-GB] Cotswolds AONB

2018-12-06 Thread Philip Barnes
Not in a position to fix it now, but look at way 64621112. Phil (trigpoint) On 6 December 2018 12:57:47 GMT, Brian Prangle wrote: > Hi All > >I think this relation must be broken -it's disappeared from the main >rendered map.There's over a 1000 members - anyone like to have a go at >repairing

Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps

2018-11-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On 30 November 2018 11:49:08 GMT, Dave F wrote: > > >On 30/11/2018 11:09, Philip Barnes wrote: >> It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay >provided by the highway authority. > >They're surveyed by local authorities (paid for by us),

Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps

2018-11-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi The changeset comment is absolutely correct, we must not copy from OS maps, any such changes should be reverted. It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay provided by the highway authority. These lines often differ from the on the ground reality which is what

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