Etienne Cherdlu wrote:
They are physically in London. Gekos don't weigh much, it should be
feasible to ship them wherever they would be most useful.
Why not give a set for loaning out to the first ten of the new chapters
you are setting up?
Gerv
Thomas Wood wrote:
I believe the old WMSplugin used to send coordinates in OSGB36 rather
than WGS84?
This seems to be what the server side code expects, at least.
Who is responsible for the WMSplugin? Is this a permanent change, i.e.
do all WMS servers need updating?
Who runs the NPE maps
Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
From outside it looks as though the OSM XML format and API are
developing in the OSM community in a reasonable way. What sort of help
do you think OSM will need? Money to run servers if the load increases?
I think that's a current, rather than a future need :-)
An
http://nick.dev.openstreetmap.org/openpaths/freemap.php?layers=npebbox=-2.5703500,54.4446860,-2.5119329,54.5031031width=500height=500
(This URL was copied and pasted out of an error message spat out by the
latest JOSM.)
Warning: Division by zero in /var/www/nick/freemap/Map.php on line 15
It
John Levin wrote:
Is anyone on this list going to Fosdem? Will there be any OSM workshops
or talks there?
I'm going, but I don't know of any OSM things. I'll be too busy doing
Mozilla things :-)
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Dermot McNally wrote:
2009/1/6 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net:
But it's still fairly ugly :-)
As ugly as upside-down labels? To avoid those (if you will allow track
up mode)
I'm quite happy to have north up, just like I get in my web browser :-)
Gerv
When I heard about the possibility of OSM on Garmin, I imagined
something like the Mapnik Slippy Map on my GPS screen. Now I have a
Legend HCx, it turns out that I get the Garmin vector rendering with OSM
data behind it. This is clearly much better than nothing, but does the
gmapsupp.img format
Igor Brejc wrote:
IMHO converting OSM vector data into raster images and then showing them
on a Garmin unit would mean losing a lot of quality and speed, not to
mention how much more memory card space such maps would consume.
Could be. But they'd look a heck of a lot nicer, and have useful
Igor Brejc wrote:
What kind of a problem are you having with POIs? What do you mean by
useful? I'm wondering because I'm working right now on POIs for
GroundTruth.
Actually, it's not as bad as I thought. They didn't show on the zoom
level I was using, and some I expected to be there aren't
What's the tag for the postcode of something? I'd assume postcode= but
tagwatch seems to say there's only one instance of that in the whole UK.
Map Features is no help. addr:postcode?
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I asked for a Garmin Legend HCx for Christmas, on the recommendation of
various people in this group, and am now trying to connect it to my
Linux computer to do some real-time mapping. Has anyone got this device
working with gpsd? A bit of Googling and other work doesn't turn up
anything - some
Simon Ward wrote:
AFAIK you need to use the garmin_gps module for gpsd. It provides the
requisite USB‐serial devices, /dev/ttyUSBN.
Yeah, I've tried that, but using it just locks up the port and a reboot
is required to free it up again. I've now found other reports of this
sort of thing; see
DavidD wrote:
What kernel version are you using? garmin_usb stopped working for me
somewhere between 2.6.25 and 2.6.27.
2.6.27-9. :-(
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Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Sure it does.
if access==no or access==false then allowed=no else allowed=yes
So basically, you have to decide that all unknown values default to
either one or the other.
If I'm a renderer, and I come across bicycle=difficult, and I only know
about no and yes, which
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Without commenting on the rest of the discussion: Surely you (the
renderer) must draw such an object as if there were no bicycle tag at
all, whatever that means for you.
But that doesn't work, does it?
Say I'm a general purpose renderer who shows access. I understand
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
bicycle=no|yes|difficult|unsuitable
The trouble with that sort of thing, as compared to (ignore the actual
tag names, they are just to give an idea):
bicycle=yes
bicycle:surface=poor
(i.e. splitting out access from quality) is that the former scheme
doesn't have
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Even when we do use something that wasn't invented here, the best fits are
those which were at least partially developed with OSM in mind - from Mapnik
to the ODbL. TBH I wouldn't have even considered this application as a
bug-tracker had the comparison not been made
David Earl wrote:
There's have to be some indication that's what was wanted IMO.
I'm pretty sure Google Maps does this by default.
Also, though I'm sure it is possible, and I could use optimizations of
various kinds, ordering by great circle distance (which you'd need to do
for this) is
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
Most of all since we're growing exponentially and even if we had 90% of
mappers agree on something today, in two or three months those 90% would
perhaps only form 30% of the community...
This is actually an argument _for_ Map_Features and some
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Most of all since we're growing exponentially and even if we had 90% of
mappers agree on something today, in two or three months those 90% would
perhaps only form 30% of the community...
This is actually an argument _for_ Map_Features and some sort of
meritocracy, not
Marc Schütz wrote:
Bugzilla as a backend would certainly be nice, but as a frontend it is
obviously inappropriate. I don't know whether Bugzilla supports alternate
frontends; if so, it could be worthwhile building one that fits our needs.
Modern Bugzillas have an XML-RPC interface, and also
David Earl wrote:
However, if we start applying similar techniques to state captials or
other hierarchies, a search inferred from a loose syntax will not be
enough and I need to provide a more formal way for mechanical clients to
constrain their searches. As it stands city is ambiguous - it
Tom Chance wrote:
Search 3 - Show pinpoints for the results on the map, so at least you can
quickly discard all those results from the wrong side of the globe.
Search 4 - use the current viewport as a hint.
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Richard Fairhurst wrote:
I'm not sure why the need to reuse existing software at all. Bugtracking is
the sort of thing you expect to find in 'Rails For Dummies' as My First
Rails App - if you’ve got a decent framework it’s pretty elementary.
As someone who's spent the last nine years working
According to:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
this URL:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.64685mlon=-0.14641zoom=15layers=B000FFF
should have a marker in the middle, but it doesn't. Am I doing something
wrong, or is something broken?
Gerv
Ulf Lamping wrote:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.64685mlon=-0.14641zoom=15
Could you update the wiki?
Ah, I see, you have to remove the layers attribute.
Wiki updated.
But then how would you get a marker on the Osmarender layer?
Gerv
Shaun McDonald wrote:
Just go to the osmarender layer (or whichever layer you want), hit
permalink, then with the url that you get change the lat to mlat and lon
to mlon.
I'm confused. The layers parameter doesn't define which layer is shown?
How would I send the URL of a marked Osmarender
Ed Loach wrote:
At a risk of re-opening a discussion, what is the unresolved issue
of handedness? Surely if you can have oneway=yes in the direction of
the arrows and oneway=-1 for oneway in the opposite direction of the
arrows, then left and right can also be defined relative to the
Stephen Gower wrote:
I see from later posts that you also suggest using this scheme for cycle/bus
lanes to indicate which side of the road they should be rendered.
Did I?
This
highlighted to me a general problem with the scheme. For rendering the
scheme is perfect - drawing a bus stop or
LeedsTracker wrote:
As Shaun says, the unresolved issue of lane handed-ness seems to be
blocking this lane issue.
This is anothe occasion where a generic :left/:right proposal would be
useful...
/plug
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graham wrote:
- Say I have a bus lane (or cycle lane) running along one side of a
two-way road (the most common situation where I am). Just attaching a
'left' tag to it makes it dependent on nobody ever reversing the
arbitrary direction attached to the way.
No, it doesn't, because
Mike Collinson wrote:
A good general method is to flip things around, explain what you are
going to do with the data and ask them to contact you by, say, the
end of the month if the use does NOT meet their terms of use.
I think that is both politically and legally extremely unwise. You can't
Christoph Böhme wrote:
The other solutions made so far essentially suggest to add a negative
image of the world to the database: Not only saying what is there but
also what is not. Consequently this would mean to tag streets not
only with the features they have but also with oneway:absent=yes,
Shaun McDonald wrote:
It should be also noted that the nonames map is to be used as a tool to
know where there is some mapping effort to run mapping parties should be
placed, rather than a definitive no road should be red.
Why not? That sounds like an excellent use for it, if we can just agree
Michael Collinson wrote:
Jordan has done great work but as he is connected with the drafting
itself for a more general audience, we also need that second pair of
eyes as a completely independent review done from the perspective
of OSM/OSMF only. That has fallen through ... things move
Gervase Markham wrote:
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone who thinks that the tag should be on a node which is part of
the canal rather than next to it, with left/right indicated as part of
the tag key name.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org
Frederik Ramm wrote:
People will ask how do you ensure that OSMF doesn't fall into evil
hands, and you will start to invent boards of directors and boards of
overseers and whatnot, and all these will have to be chosen by some kind
of vote; then you'll have to define who may vote. But then
Erik Johansson wrote:
Sprinkle your data with note=bla bla tags so it's possible to see
what the meaning was.
So your solution is to have a database which is human-understandable
(with a lot of reading and effort) but not computer-understandable?
That seems to break rather a large number of
Christoph Eckert wrote:
What I was meaning was the other way around: IMO there's nothing wrong with
having more than one tagging scheme for one and the same thing. If there was
highway=footway, highway=foot_way and highway=way.foot in the database,
what's the (really huge) disadvantage?
Frederik Ramm wrote:
which can be fixed at a later time, if desired.
How? Say 100 different mappers are using a particular tag - 50 one way,
50 another way. How do you fix this at a later time without going back
to the places on the map and working out which of the two possible
situations
Andy Allan wrote:
That's the main problem. You are now making a proposal that
distinguishes nodes at the end of a way from non-terminating nodes -
since only those in the middle can inherit a sense of direction from
the way.
True, but not a problem. There's no rule about how many nodes in a
Aurelien Jacobs wrote:
One other problem with this is that it defines a set distance from the
feature to the way.
I don't see this as a problem. It's in fact an additional useful
information that your left/right scheme just loose.
Except that there's no meaningful distance that moorings
Hugh Barnes wrote:
So, just to clarify, if I want apply more properties to the bus stop, is it
like this:
left:highway=bus_stop
left:name=Park Road
… etc?
Have I missed something?
I hadn't thought of that; I was focussing on simple features in the
common case. Does the above seem
Robin Rattay wrote:
JOSM already does this.
For oneway only? Or for the words left and right?
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
I find that this only makes sense when what is left and what is right is
discernible *without* reference to the actual direction of the way.
Why so? The direction of ways is (or can be) indicated with arrows in
editors. Why is it a problem to have tagging which is
Aurelien Jacobs wrote:
This makes me think to something else. What about the route relation.
A way with a bus stop on each side and a bus route which would include
only one of the stop (or the two stops but with different stop_number).
Having separate nodes for each bus stop makes this much
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Could anyone suggest what distance, and for what use, these presets
should be? (e.g. narrow canal towpath, 5 metres - i.e. the offset
from the canal centreline to the towpath centreline)
For canal to towpath centreline, it would be 5-10m.
Would it be possible for
Florian Lohoff wrote:
I'd like to see a proposal for tag agnostic tagging of left and right
e.h. prepend all directional tags with left:cycleway=lane and
right:cycleway=line.
I think that's a really great idea, and the correct solution to the
problem. However, it would be a reasonably large
To whom it may concern,
We are now in a position to determine who will go on the OSM Fieldwork
trip. The procedure is detailed here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSMFieldwork/ChoiceProcedure
That page includes the list of eligible names and the criteria. If you
have signed the pledge
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone who thinks that the tag should be on a node which is part of
the canal rather than next to it, with
At SOTM, we were discussing how to show people that OSM isn't just
Google Maps with patchy coverage. ( :-P ) One idea was a page about all
of the cool things you can do with OSM data that you can't do with other
mapping sites' data.
Here is a very small skeleton:
My proposal for bridge reference tagging:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Bridge_Number
which I need for canals has been disapproved on the basis that I should
be using a bridge/tunnel relation:
David Earl wrote:
If you want to apply a bridge number to the bridge, there's no reason
you shouldn't, vote or no vote. And if something were to render it, not
doubt it would look right.
However, the thing you are putting the number on has no easy linkage to
the canal. If you were
I've revised the Lock proposal yet again, and invite comments:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Lock
The Maximum_Stay proposal just needs two more votes:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Maximum_Stay
I intend to re-propose Towpath as a relation
Frederik Ramm wrote:
2. Commercially Valuable Product
OSM is creating something of considerable commercial value. The
estimated market volume of geodata in Europe is way over one billion
Euros per year (I found varying figures, some even say it's 1.5 billion
for Germany alone, others are
I have a situation (which I suspect is very common) where a street is
split into e.g. 3 ways, because the middle one is part of a bus route or
other relation.
If you label all three ways with name=Foo Street, you get Foo Street
rendered 3 times along a fairly short length, at least in
Shaun McDonald wrote:
The renderers need fixed, if they can't cope with this kind of data.
Indeed. My question is: can they? :-)
Mapnik will only write the name where there is space for it.
Right, but that's precisely the problem. It writes it three times when I
really only want it written
Karl Newman wrote:
I think the obvious thing is to quit splitting ways just because
there's a bridge or the speed limit changed... IMHO, the only reason to
split ways is if the name changes or if the major type changes.
Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not possible to apply a tag to
only
Joerg Ostertag (OSM Tettnang/Germany) wrote:
The Antenna of the naviGPS can be seen here:
http://www.ostertag.name/osm/NaviGPS/thumbs/TN_960x1280_img_1220.jpg
which means laying your NaviGPS should result in the best reception.
That's very helpful. So if you have a flat antenna like that,
Random question: does the orientation of a GPS receiver make any
difference? If I hold my BGT-11 vertically, will it find it harder to
get and keep a lock than if I hold it horizontally? Also, does it make
it slower to get a lock if I walk along while it's trying?
I don't know the chipset, if
Frederik Ramm wrote:
No problems with firefox 1.04 under Debian ;-)
Anyone still using Firefox 1 or 1.5, please upgrade. These versions are
old enough to have known serious security issues.
This has been a public service announcement :-)
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Let me know if it doesn't work for you.
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Peter Miller wrote:
Ito World Ltd is pleased to offer its new product ‘OSM Mapper’ to the
OSM community. We demonstrated this product at ‘State of the Map’ and a
number of OSM contributors have been trying it out since then. We are
now ready to release it more widely.
Peter,
As no-one else
Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
Recently, it appears that Mapnik has started rendering the name of
relations on the map, as if they were street names. For example, it
renders the name of the Cosburn bus route along Haldon Avenue in
this
Gervase Markham wrote:
At State of the Map, an initiative was started to improve our coverage
of the Caribbean, as a little friendly competition with Google MapMaker.
There is now a wiki page about this effort here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSMFieldwork
Please fill
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
I don't know if this source is of any additional help:
http://unosat.web.cern.ch/unosat/asp/prod_free.asp?id=53
These are all lower-res than the Yahoo imagery, so I don't think so. :-(
But thanks for looking :-)
Gerv
At State of the Map, an initiative was started to improve our coverage
of the Caribbean, as a little friendly competition with Google MapMaker.
It works like this: people pledge using Pledgebank to spend one hour or
more adding to OpenStreetMap by tracing over Yahoo! aerial imagery on a
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Have they really? I don't recall ever seeing this, and I do quite a
lot of rural mapping.
Well, there was a note on Map Features saying not to do it, but until
recently it didn't say what you _should_ do.
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Tom Taylor wrote:
I did some parsing of the PDF, and it seems that of the 114,000 post
boxes in the UK, 50599 seem to have valid postcode data.
I'm currently geocoding these postcodes using Yahoo's service, and
wondered if the resulting longitudes and latitudes would be of
interest to
Pieren wrote:
Yes, I like also the 1 buildinge, the 3 buildings, the 2 buildingy, the
1 buildng, the 4 buildning, the 1 buildong, the 3 builduing, the 18 (!)
buildung, the 1 builing, the 2 buillding.
What we really need is a tagwatch where you can click one of those,
correct it, and it fixes
After I signed up for SOTM, I received an email on the 6th of May saying:
You will receive a further email soon providing details of how to pay
your registration fee.
It is now the 29th of June and I have not yet received this email, nor
have I received a reply to two further Ahem? I'd like to
Etienne wrote:
There have been some reports of invoices not being received - probably
due to spam filtering.
I have filters, but I keep all the spam. (Several GB of it.) I've
searched back through the relevant time area and can't find this message.
invoice then please let me know and I'll
Alex Mauer wrote:
As noted on the talk page, the vote is still open since it has not been
open for the requisite 2 weeks. Voting is apparently now on the talk page.
The rules for a vote being approved are 15 Yeses, or a unanimous vote
of 6 or more. There are currently 27 Yeses and 0 Nos.
Bruce Cowan wrote:
It would list all the tags being used via tagwatch, which is updated
every week based on the new planet. People could then vote (once only on
each tag) on tags that are being used.
Tags are not always self-describing. Quick test: without checking Map
Features, can you tell
Shaun McDonald wrote:
It is a special kind of bridge that is usually longer than the normal
bridge.
So it has longer sides in the rendering...
There is often some historical interest related to it. It may
even be a tourist attraction.
Both of these things can be true of normal bridges, and
Raphael Studer wrote:
If we tag it different, why not render it different?
Because applying that principle consistently leads to extremely
complicated maps. Not all differences in the data require a different
rendering on a generalist map such as the one on www.openstreetmap.org.
Gerv
Tom Hughes wrote:
It's not immediately clear from the bug details that there is any
replacement - my best guess at the moment is that there is but that it
can only be activated programmatically, and possible only in debug
builds.
I emailed Robert O'Callahan, one of the Mozilla Gecko
Gervase Markham wrote:
As requested:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Bridge
This has now been approved, with 15 votes.
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Raphael Studer wrote:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Bridge
This has now been approved, with 15 votes.
How, that was fast :)
Now lets find a way to render viaduct and swing.
Swing is usually rendered, at least on maps which focus on the thing
_under_ the
As requested:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Bridge
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Raphael Studer wrote:
Does someone care about this proposal?
Yes, sorry, I'll move it to a vote RSN.
Although I'd kind of given up on the whole voting system, given the
antipathy towards it (and, in fact, towards any form of authority) in
certain quarters.
Gerv
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Once we have a few applications in place that get viewed by *many*
people, we could just have a button somewhere along the margin of the
page that says: I know the area and what I see here looks correct.
Would it not make more sense to have a button saying This map is
Jeffrey Martin wrote:
Some lists want me to answer on the top and some on the bottom.
Is this a bottom answer email list?
Most email lists will accept the style where you answer below the thing
you are commenting on, but trim it well so people don't have to page
past loads of verbiage to get
SteveC wrote:
I and others have been doing a lot of fixing of TIGER data all over
the US. There is still a lot to do and Richard has added some really
useful features to potlatch to speed it up.
Is there a TIGER fixing HOWTO somewhere? As in Here are the areas not
yet done, here are the
Christoph Eckert wrote:
IMO map features should be built on top of tagwatch. This way tagging
recommendations would be built on top what's actually used. Much more
democratic than the current process IMO :) .
Tagwatch tells you what is. It cannot by itself tell you what should be.
It could
Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
If they say but I would really like to do X, if you give me in
writing that I can do X I'll give you $10.000 and print OSM adverts on
every GPS I sell, then we still cannot say it because we're not the
owners of the data.
In Linux that problem is solved by companies
Frederik Ramm wrote:
That's my problem as well. We are not much better than other owners of
geodata. They say:
1. Geodata is very valuable and takes a lot of work to collect and
those who do all the work should be the owners of the data and
dictate under what rules it may be used;
2.
Nathan Vander Wilt wrote:
I am writing a geotagging application that I hope to sell. When I first
found OSM, I was very excited for what I could use it for but as I've
followed the discussions I've become a lot more concerned. While there
are many users who want their work to be fully in
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
My idea is to try and shield the user from the XML file altogether. Rather
than get a user to open an XML file, I'd like users to be able to simply
open an OSM file, download data from the API, or retrieve data from a
PostGIS database, and then use the UI to define
Tom Chance wrote:
I can't see an obvious way to do this, maybe I just need to dig around in
the code behind the export tab, but is it possible to already do something
similar to the Google static maps feature, i.e. allow people to just
specify a URL in an img tag and have the static image with
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
One of the OSM projects I'm hoping to work on is a Mapnik GUI renderer for
..osm files (and live API data, cached locally, and PostGIS databases),
based on the Mapnik viewer. However what would be good is to get some user
interface suggestions from people. The aim is
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I would be reluctant to publicly recommend anything where OSM gets any
kind of kickback, _even if_ that device would be one I recommend in
private. That would look as if our recommendation could be bought!
Or perhaps the opposite; we like this so much and we want you to
Michael Collinson wrote:
I echo Tom's sentiment that www.openstreetmap.org/Attribution
http://www.openstreetmap.org/Attribution would be a cleaner public
link to present if possible.
The shorter, the better (sometimes space is limited). So why not, with a
small DNS change:
Robin Paulson wrote:
have i missed something? i thought osm used Creative Commons
Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license not Creative Commons Share Alike
2.5 Licence
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OpenStreetMap_License
I assume the name difference was just loose wording; all recent CC
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
It's only Potlatch that prohibits such edits. JOSM and the main API
permit them.
Can we please agree to stop doing that, and then turn off the
capability? It's just storing up trouble for later, when and if we want
to make licence-related changes...
Gerv
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Following on from last year's successful Lake District mapping week I'd
like to float the idea of a follow up this year - I now have a definite
week in the early summer when I know I'll be free namely the week
beginning June 23rd.
I might be interested in this (the
Alex Mauer wrote:
I think it is possible, even likely, that we might want to apply it to
something other than railway, which can share a way with a railway. The
simple/plain traction= would preclude this.
Can you give an example of such a thing?
What features shares a way with a railway at
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
IME the NaviGPS is not as reliable or as intuitive as I would like.
These units are going to be used by children and primary school
teachers so this is a worry.
I have a NaviGPS, and I wouldn't put it in the hands of a child and
expect them to understand it. It
David Earl wrote:
Suggestions
for addressing this welcome - incrementally returning results is one
possibility I guess. You can qualify it ..., UK (provided the is_in is
present - which is almost never is for US places), but that's non-obvious.
I strongly suspect Google Maps either only
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Why not ditch the whole notion of approved features altogether. It
doesn't cut any meat in our community anyway. What does approved
mean, and who has the right to approve something?
Having an approved set of tags means that there is ideally 1, but
certainly a small
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