Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-11 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 07:18:04AM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sorry, where was I? I don't know about you, but I was in mid-Wales. It was very sunny. s ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK

2012-02-29 Thread Stephen Gower
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 09:15:34AM +1000, mick wrote: That make a lot of sense to me, the church has been the focal point of the village since Saxon times while the Post Office didn't appear until the 19th? century. Except there are cases where the village moved and but the church didn't.

Re: [Talk-GB] Bing Imagery update

2011-12-19 Thread Stephen Gower
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 06:05:43PM +, Robert Norris wrote: Not sure how widespread the update is, but certainly the Bing Imagery covering the Isle of Wight has recently been updated to imagery taken within the last few months. Goes off to check nearby Portsmouth Yay finally

Re: [Talk-GB] Project Drake - mapping the University of Cambridge

2011-12-06 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 05:44:48PM +, David Earl wrote: I was appointed to the project from that [...] Congratulations! and also published the tagging schema I'm working to ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge ) Can I pursuade you to remove the

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 05:11:20PM +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: - Local cycle networks with objective, on-the-ground evidence (usually signposts) are tagged as lcn=yes (and lcn_ref=..., lcn_name=..., or the relations equivalent) as at present. This sounds reasonable. Round here (Oxford),

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Stephen Gower
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 02:05:52PM +, Ed Loach wrote: In your first example, they're all double-labeled, EG: http://cycle.st/p34892 Seems to be located on Northmoor Road according to the accompanying map, yet the route seems to be drawn on Charlbury Road. The geolocation was wrong -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-22 Thread Stephen Gower
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:57:19PM +1000, John Smith wrote: I don't think intent alone is enough, if the intent is to limit derivative copies you need to stipulate that in your license to B, otherwise you know that C is able to do what ever he likes based on the license between B and C. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-21 Thread Stephen Gower
[Sorry to quote so much context - please do scroll down!) On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:16:03AM +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: I think the question being asked arises from the following hypothetical chain of events: 1/ Person A has a database that he licenses under ODbL. 2/ Person B

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Stephen Gower
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:18:19AM +, Peter Miller wrote: I use the following method. If the OS name is different from the streetsign and general usage I put it in not:name If it is apparently a valid alternative I put it on alt_name I am not clear why anything else is required. What

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, ?000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Stephen Gower
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 01:25:31PM +, Ed Avis wrote: I would suggest that whoever removed Mascall Avenue from the map should have mapped what replaced it - a brownfield site or whatever - to avoid future confusion. For what it's worth, we did - there's now a landuse=residential;

[OSM-talk] Mobile Oxford

2009-10-15 Thread Stephen Gower
I think the official launch is soon, but Oxford University's new Mobile Oxford website is looking pretty good and makes extensive use of the OSM data we've collected for the city. I think it rocks (and I'm not involved, except for having given a ton of feedback!) The site's at http://m.ox.ac.uk/

[OSM-talk] Cathedral or chapel

2009-06-08 Thread Stephen Gower
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:12:13AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: You could have done church_type=cathedral, church_type=church, and church_type=chapel (arbitrary tag name choice... probably not a good one) and let the renderer figure out that for itself. [Digression into an edge-case, probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Cathedral or chapel

2009-06-08 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 03:02:08PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/6/8 Stephen Gower socks-openstreetmap@earth.li: The chapel of one of Oxford University's colleges, Christ Church, is also a cathedral.  A rather unimpressive cathedral, but a cathedral nevertheless

[OSM-talk] Shakespeare on OSM

2009-03-31 Thread Stephen Gower
OK, this needs a wider audience than just those on IRC: 15:49 zere even Shakespeare is an OSM contributor. look at king henry IV: 15:49 zere Bardolph: We first survey the plot, then draw the model // And when we see the figure of the house // Add the tags building=yes,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside features)

2009-02-17 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:45:00PM -, Ed Loach wrote: Oneway is strange in that as well as yes/no you can have oneway=-1 for one way in the opposite direction of the way, and I still can't work out why that is necessary. It used to be the case that the renderers wrote the name of the

[OSM-talk] Oxbridges of Konigsberg

2009-02-12 Thread Stephen Gower
A friend asks: What's the most efficient route for visiting all Oxford's colleges? Method of transport: bicycle. No other restrictions except that you must pass the lodge of each college. Doubling back on yourself is allowed (despite the title of the post!). So, since the data for Oxford

Re: [OSM-talk] Oxbridges of Konigsberg

2009-02-12 Thread Stephen Gower
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:47:10AM +, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: Stephen Gower wrote: What's the most efficient route for visiting all Oxford's colleges? So, since the data for Oxford is pretty much there, is this a challenge any of the routing engines can help

Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom

2009-01-20 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 02:13:25PM +, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: I think there is a misunderstanding going on here. If I speak English, I want and English map of the world. If I speak French, I want a French map of the world. In neither case do I want a map that has England in English

Re: [OSM-talk] Left and Right - a proposal

2008-10-13 Thread Stephen Gower
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:26:49PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: I propose that it be possible for features to be tagged using a generic left/right scheme, with left and right being relative to the direction of the way. So you might have a road way with a node somewhere in the middle with

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap: outreach to local group and council: any HOWTOs or pointers? [Oxford and general content]

2008-09-30 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 02:45:27PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: Out of the blue, I've been asked to advise Cyclox, a local cyclists' advocacy group about improving [upon] the Oxfordshire County Council's cycle map for the city of Oxford[1], and I've said I'll help out. That's

Re: [Talk-GB] Routing through Oxford

2008-08-18 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:18:32AM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Oxford is supposedly one of the better mapped cities in OSM, and looking at the map seems to agree, but a lot of problems show up when you try to route through it using Gosmore. See:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] FW: BBC 'Britain From Above'

2008-08-08 Thread Stephen Gower
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 12:13:00PM +0100, Paul Jaggard wrote: Interesting clip from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7539529.stm It's a plug for a programme, 'Britain From Above', which starts 10th August, but the trailer alone is worth watching for some lovely GPS-derived

Re: [Talk-GB] FW: BBC 'Britain From Above'

2008-08-08 Thread Stephen Gower
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 12:13:00PM +0100, Paul Jaggard wrote: Interesting clip from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7539529.stm It's a plug for a programme, 'Britain From Above', which starts 10th August, but the trailer alone is worth watching for some lovely GPS-derived

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-06 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 06:33:10PM -0500, Alex Mauer wrote: So it really depends on interpretation. In particular, footways have a particular legal status in the UK which doesn't apply to every place that you can walk. Just as a point of information, this isn't actually true. As far as I am

[OSM-talk] (Proposed UK) National Cycle Map standard

2008-08-05 Thread Stephen Gower
I'm not quite sure who is considering this, but http://www.cyclecheltenham.org.uk/map_standard.html claims to be being considered as the basis for a national standard. The actual map looks pretty good for an end-user and exactly the sort of thing I want to see. However, I can see that trying to

Re: [OSM-talk] mapping grass

2008-08-01 Thread Stephen Gower
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:37:19PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: Hi, I have been facing problems mapping grass. The only mention of grass in map features is village_green. My Josm also shows landuse=grass, but this is not on the map features page. [...] I feel all these can be brought

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM maps in 3D

2008-07-18 Thread Stephen Gower
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:19:02PM +0200, Igor Brejc wrote: I've started playing around using DirectX in combination with SRTM data to draw 3D relief OSM maps. The plan is to add this feature to Kosmos. Please visit http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-in-3d if you want to see

Re: [Talk-GB] Oxford meetup

2008-07-16 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 05:01:36PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Did this happen / is it likely to happen next week? I haven't heard anything about it since this e-mail from about 6 weeks ago. I can't make the 19th now, but if anyone fancies this Thursday

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:highway=cycleway inconsistency

2008-07-03 Thread Stephen Gower
On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 03:53:40PM +0100, Andy Allan wrote: ... but to be honest, I'm not entirely comfortable with it, and I still think the lane/lane_opposite doesn't handle things fully either. I found a bit in Hyde Park where there was a one-way road with cycle lanes on both sides - with

[OSM-talk] Non-nesting administrative borders (Was: National borders in the British Islands)

2008-06-03 Thread Stephen Gower
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:42:22AM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'nesting' rule does not exist. We have already had enough examples of where boundaries form different 'sets' of areas so there is no way to

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 02:31:32PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: I subscribe to the view that areas should correspond to the real area on the ground and mostly be kept clear of roadways. Placing an Area's Nodes near the adjacent Way's nodes helps make the map easier to maintain.

[OSM-talk] Overhaul of voting process (was: Road crossings proposal - status?)

2008-05-07 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 11:01:33AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, * Some people started tagging *and rendering* crossings, using a particular tagging scheme. * Some other people, who weren't actually out doing the work, started complaining about what was going on [1] May I take this

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Stephen Gower
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 08:39:15PM +0100, 80n wrote: bicycle=yes and surface=gravel are an incompatible combination in my book ;) There's gravel and there's gravel though - pea gravel like my grandfather had on his drive (in the New Forest!) and had to rake after cars had been over it is

[OSM-talk] A List Apart does Why Mashups Suck

2008-04-09 Thread Stephen Gower
A List Apart does Why Mashups Suck and briefly mentions OSM: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/takecontrolofyourmaps s ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-09 Thread Stephen Gower
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 12:31:02AM +0100, Bruce Cowan wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:57 +0300, SteveC wrote: Like, er, electing President Bush, or Prime Minister Gordon Brown (no election) ? I'm a pedant [...] Oh, if we're being pedantic, I'd like to point out that the British

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution

2008-04-08 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 05:28:37PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: The shorter, the better (sometimes space is limited). So why not, with a small DNS change: openstreetmap.org/credit If we have to attribute at all (I wanna PD map!) I'd prefer the main website to have a link to

Re: [OSM-talk] linz dataset for nz - attribution methods summary

2008-04-07 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:48:18PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: if we are going to have an 'attribution' page on the wiki[1], with the fine print regarding sources of various chunks of data, would a link to it be possible, on the main map page? titled say 'data attribution' or 'data sources'?

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 11:46:10AM +0100, Steve Hill wrote: In this example, as far as I can tell we have 2 roads called the A11 and a road joining them called the A14 - route planners can deal with this just the same as they can deal with A11 - A14 - A134. Route planners shouldn't be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF announcement: Copyright Easter Eggs

2008-04-01 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 08:53:49AM +0100, SteveC wrote: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=287 I see this has been referenced with a useful Editors Note at http://industry.slashgeo.org/industry/08/04/01/1059213.shtml s ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey: Bad Map Rendering

2008-03-22 Thread Stephen Gower
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:23:57PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: I suggested to look into the rendering topic: Where are our current problems in rendering For me it's the routemap problem - how to represent multiple routes sharing the same street/line/etc, for example bus routes, named or

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Voting - skyhook

2008-03-07 Thread Stephen Gower
On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 02:28:20AM +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: I'm still not sure if this proposal was actually *intended* to discourage anyone spending his time to work on the current mess of proposals and to improve the map features page - or if it only was a bad joke with an unwanted side

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Voting - skyhook

2008-03-06 Thread Stephen Gower
Voting is now open on the Skyhook proposal - please add your support: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Skyhook s ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Progressing OSM to a new data Licence regime

2008-02-07 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 12:04:58AM +, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: The idea that someone in around 100 years time will still have to struggle with the license issues we are setting up now on my data really worries me With your own

Re: [OSM-talk] Place of worship: wayside crosses

2008-02-07 Thread Stephen Gower
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 08:18:34PM +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: I bet you'll find them in other catholic regions as well. BTW: you'll even find wayside_shrines in Greece, which isn't that catholic :) . Oh, but it is./unhelpful_pedant (second point of

Re: [OSM-talk] Copyright and old maps

2008-01-26 Thread Stephen Gower
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 08:51:35PM +0100, Mike Collinson wrote: Unless someone corrects me: No, as it is (I assume) an original map and not a facsimile made by them. Just as a reference, all maps made available at Oxford's Central Library are facsimiles of the original collection and they

[OSM-talk] Units convention (Was: Mapping canals)

2008-01-24 Thread Stephen Gower
CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE, GUYS! On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 04:08:21PM +0100, Michael Collinson wrote: maxheight= 3 ft - original-easy-to enter folksomomic key (defaults either to metric or local usage, there are arguments for both) maxheight:metric = 0.912 - added either by power users or

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Stephen Gower
Hi Gerv - I've snipped lots below - if I haven't commented on any part, I pretty much agree. On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 06:36:48PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: Narrow sections are denoted by maxwidth. One narrowboat (just over 7 feet) is given as 2.5m. Two boats is 5m. It's not necessary

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 11:43:25AM +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Amenities - New tag value: amenity=sanitary_station Sanitary station is a really misleading (but sadly widespread) term. Better to group all the constituent services (amenity=pumpout;water_point), and to come

Re: [OSM-talk] Render icons for parking areas

2008-01-19 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 09:14:09AM +0100, Knut Arne Bjørndal wrote: I've now implemented an algorithm for finding a good center-point for areas. It's already commited to svn as revision 6390. That's great - I think most people would prefer not to have rendering instructions (such as a

Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features

2008-01-14 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 07:58:20PM +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: i'll second that, but unless bildstock is an english word, we shouldn't use it - current protocol is british english words only. Marc, does this have a direct english equivalent? is icon correct, or does that relate to