Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.

2019-12-29 Thread john whelan
I'm fairly lucky in that in the last three years nothing much has changed locally. The highways have stayed much the same. Most buildings are still there. If you use Bing to add things then realistically it fills in gaps in the map. If you delete things because they are not in Bing that is a

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-12-24 Thread john whelan
on how you see the mass importation of > buildings. > > Happy holidays! > > Adam > > On Tue., Dec. 24, 2019, 7:36 p.m. Daniel @jfd553, > wrote: > >> Have a look at the wiki page I referred to. Further discussions will be >> more easy and focused >> &

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-12-24 Thread John Whelan
-12-24 6:04 PM: Have a look at the wiki page I referred to. Further discussions will be more easy and focused Sent from Galaxy S7 *From:* John Whelan *Sent:* Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:50:29 PM *To:* James *Cc:* Daniel

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-12-24 Thread John Whelan
I think the first problem to be addressed is the presence or absence of a local community. In the north we have few mappers but lots of interested agencies and people in seeing the buildings imported. Montreal I think is under control.  Toronto is in the process of sorting itself out but

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread john whelan
The international language would be English. It is after all the language of trade and as a consequence absorbed many words from other languages. But that is taking a pragmatic view and is only one minor voice amongst all the contributors. There will be many other voices decrying its use. One

Re: [Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-03 Thread john whelan
Canadian Postal Codes in urban areas are blocks of roughly 50 buildings which makes them extremely interesting to use for GIS studies. Average income etc. Both in the UK and Canada many people would rather type in a 6 character code than a street address with city when looking for directions to

Re: [Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-02 Thread John Whelan
This isn't going to be pretty until Canada Post is persuaded to free the data. Call your MP, everybody. --Jarek On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 17:38, john whelan mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > " The number one r

Re: [Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-02 Thread John Whelan
and not an OSM problem per se. This isn't going to be pretty until Canada Post is persuaded to free the data. Call your MP, everybody. --Jarek On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 17:38, john whelan mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > " The number one request on ope

Re: [Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-02 Thread john whelan
" The number one request on open.canada.ca is to open the postal code database. Feel free to add your vote. https://open.canada.ca/en/suggested-datasets; Cheerio John On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 13:32, john whelan wrote: > On the import mailing list there is a proposal to import p

[Talk-ca] Postcodes in Canada

2019-10-02 Thread john whelan
On the import mailing list there is a proposal to import postcodes in the UK one of the reasons given was that many like to input a postcode to get directions on smartphones using things like OSMand. I don't think an Open Data source with the correct licensing is available in Canada but OSMand

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing building and routing info regionally/locally (Jonathan)

2019-10-02 Thread john whelan
I was under the impression that most buildings in both Port Hope and Cobourg had been manually mapped. Now the outlines have been done it really needs boots on the ground to add detail. There are addresses from Canvec which give an address range so Stats might have something better but I'm not

[Talk-ca] Adding buildings.

2019-10-01 Thread john whelan
OpenStreetMap is highly decentralised which is both one of its strengths and also one of its weaknesses. There are a number of sources of building data, the first is an experienced mapper adding in buildings with something like JOSM and the buildings_tool plugin working from Microsoft imagery.

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-30 Thread John Whelan
I'm glad to see Toronto getting involved once more. The original idea for using Open Data to import buildings followed on from a group of Toronto mappers who imported address information for a new sub division that was not available in CANVEC from Stats Canada after very carefully checking

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-28 Thread John Whelan
My suggestion would be to amend and clean up the original import plan to split out the country into regions and have a regional coordinator for each region based on local input.  I'd also add in the two other data sources as alternative data sources. The reason for this approach is an amended

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-28 Thread John Whelan
And I totally agree.  Because the Stat Can data has come from many sources the data quality is variable to put it politely.  The Microsoft data has been shown in the US to also be of variable quality.  I'm not so sure about the NR Can LiDAR data hopefully it is at least consistent. If we look

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-27 Thread John Whelan
Both your input and Nate's are useful in that at least they confirm my thoughts that there is little chance of moving forward on a Canada wide basis. Hopefully the Toronto mappers can sort something out for Toronto and the rest will follow in time. As a Toronto mapper, I'm happy to load

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-27 Thread John Whelan
Piórkowski wrote on 2019-09-27 7:47 PM: On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 11:45, john whelan wrote: I do know that a number of departments and agencies would like to use buildings and although they can use the open data sources using OSM would be more convenient. Then you can encourage these agencies

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-27 Thread John Whelan
, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com <http://www.natewessel.com> On 2019-09-27 11:44 a.m., john whelan wrote: From memory we have imported Ottawa's buildings under the correct license (Stat Can so the federal government's open data license) and the quality was deemed acceptable by the

[Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

2019-09-27 Thread john whelan
>From memory we have imported Ottawa's buildings under the correct license (Stat Can so the federal government's open data license) and the quality was deemed acceptable by the local mappers. Then we opened up a second import plan to import buildings and a fair number were imported. This

Re: [Talk-transit] USA

2019-09-25 Thread John Whelan
OpenStreetMap originated in the UK and Germany but these days it is far more widespread. Are you asking if anyone in the US adds bus stops?  Or saying you think that the recommended practices for mapping bus stops should be different in the US. OSM is often used by apps to show routing or

Re: [Talk-ca] Présentation à SotM2019 sur l'analyse des bâtiments

2019-09-24 Thread John Whelan
Where are we up to with imported buildings in Canada? I understood someone was looking at some routines to run on the data before import for Microsoft, Stats Canad and the Natural Resources Canada LiDAR data sources. Has that been done for Canada as a whole or are we at the point where

Re: [OSM-talk] mapbox, (Changeset Analyzer), whodidit

2019-09-24 Thread john whelan
I think the problem has been resolved. There was a misunderstanding on which tags should be used for which values. Strangely enough bus stops and bus routes are quite specialised and it isn't always apparent how they should be tagged especially with the newer platform tags. Cheerio John On

Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)

2019-09-21 Thread john whelan
If there is a physical bus stop ie a pole with a sign on it then map it as a bus stop or rather whatever is the new way to map them. On the stop should be a reference number of it exists. These typically are a number that is input to find out when the next bus is coming. The route number to my

Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop

2019-09-20 Thread john whelan
I'm not sure this is quite the place for this discussion but Europe also has some bus routes that pick up and drop off on request. Just don't map none existent stops. Ottawa Canada has fixed stops as do many other locations in North America. I suggest you try to map following the wiki map

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

2019-09-10 Thread john whelan
Looks good to me and if Matthew has cast his eye over it and not spotted anything major then I think we can safely say Ottawa is happy with it. Cheerio John On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 9:57 PM Pierre Béland via Talk-ca, < talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Cela semble bien préciser, mais les

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread john whelan
If the discussion takes place in a mailing list there is a record of it. Slack is restricted and I'm not certain if a record is available. Same for chat or mumble discussions. Both are valuable but not for formally recording why a decision was made and the reasons behind it. Cheerio John On

[OSM-talk] sending location from a smart phone.

2019-08-17 Thread John Whelan
Apparently some Fire brigades ask people who are lost on moors etc to download What3words then tell them their location. Isn't there a simpler way?  Perhaps to get a text message sent with the long and lat? ref https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-49319760 Thanks John -- Sent from Postbox

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

2019-08-07 Thread john whelan
Creating a survey that works takes a lot of effort and it is quite specialised. Next time it might be worth asking some of the people who like to survey the OSM community to build the survey incorporating a couple of questions of their own and do a test run first. Cheerio John On Wed, Aug 7,

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-29 Thread john whelan
I agree with Kathleen. Given that smartphones are more common than internet connected computers and it is easier to add or change tags on a smartphone than add a long highway at least the locals stand more chance this way. Cheerio John On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 1:00 PM Kathleen Lu via talk, wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-24 Thread john whelan
on the ground so it might well be an opportune time to get a bit of publicity for OpenStreetMap. Cheerio John On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 4:57 PM Andy Townsend, wrote: > On 24/07/2019 20:56, John Whelan wrote: > > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49091093 > > > > I note "M

[OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-24 Thread John Whelan
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49091093 Did I miss a discussion on the subject or an announcement from Fredrick on this? I note "Martijn van Exel" is quoted. Many Thanks Cheerio John -- Sent from Postbox ___ talk

Re: [Talk-ca] Removing "WikiProject" prefix

2019-07-20 Thread john whelan
Sounds wonderful, but that is a purely personal comment. Cheerio John On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 2:13 PM dcapillae, wrote: > Hi, > > I am Daniel, from Spain. I would like to change the name of the wiki > pages related to the Canada mapping project to remove the "Wikiproject" > prefix following the

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-16 Thread john whelan
;> The same happened in Poland, abbreviations are expanded. >> >> >> 16 Jul 2019, 17:02 by nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com: >> >> in Portugal the community has agreed not to use abreviations. >> >> A terça, 16/07/2019, 15:58, John Whelan escreveu: >> &

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-16 Thread John Whelan
on 2019-07-16 11:30 AM: On 2019-07-16 16:54, John Whelan wrote: One or two are problematic usually as the street name is an abbreviation.    For example 1e Avenue in French meaning First Avenue. Any suggestions on how these should be handled?  This particular application is aimed at part

[OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-16 Thread John Whelan
One or two are problematic usually as the street name is an abbreviation.    For example 1e Avenue in French meaning First Avenue. Any suggestions on how these should be handled?  This particular application is aimed at partially sighted people but I feel we should be able to come up with a

Re: [OSM-talk] Way to delete buildings added by specific user, or help reverting?

2019-07-08 Thread John Whelan
Different people have different standards.  Normally in OpenStreetMap we don't consider data consumers but they do exist. In Canada for example there are different levels of government and government agencies who would like to see buildings in Canada.  They are available in different formats

Re: [OSM-talk] Way to delete buildings added by specific user, or help reverting?

2019-07-08 Thread john whelan
Your concern is? If I look in JOSM at the link you supplied the buildings are approximately the right size and where buildings are in the imagery. Their orientation could be better. However they aren't duplicates, and compared to many buildings mapped they're almost reasonable and the mapper

Re: [OSM-talk] Map of Population Density vs. OpenStreetMap density

2019-07-06 Thread John Whelan
There is another side to this the population counts often depend on building counts but some towns and villages are growing rapidly.  You can see the difference sometimes going from one zoom level tile to the next so the ones with buildings in often haven't the newer buildings mapped but just

Re: [Talk-ca] English and French translation required for some road names

2019-07-05 Thread John Whelan
In Ottawa highway names for the most part have both English and French.  name:fr rue Sparks, name:en Sparks street.  If only name is present it is the English version. Just to add confusion to your life.  There has also been a discussion about street names in Canada and I think the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mali

2019-06-30 Thread john whelan
un, 30 Jun 2019 at 11:24, Andrew Hain wrote: > Is there any sign of mappers being part of an organised activity or of > someone having encouraged them to contribute? > > -- > Andrew > ------ > *From:* John Whelan > *Sent:* 29 June 2019 23:49 &g

[OSM-talk] Mali

2019-06-29 Thread John Whelan
I've been going over Mali adding in missing villages and hamlets working in the southern and eastern part of Mali and cleaning up as I go. Adding nodes to highways that cross but have no nodes, adding tags to untagged ways etc.  I even try to make sure each village has one highway at least

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Règles d'éditions organisées / Directed editing guidelines

2019-06-22 Thread John Whelan
I'm beginning to think that a simple way to improve data quality would be to put a less powerful tool in the hands of inexperienced mappers.  A simpler editor with fewer choices or perhaps an existing editor with restricted choices for a particular task or region. Do we really need

Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

2019-06-06 Thread john whelan
My personal view is if you are cutting and pasting in JOSM it is not an import as such. Cheerio John On Fri, 31 May 2019, 1:50 pm Shrinivasan T, wrote: > Thanks for the replies. > > I understand that if name:ta tag and its value is available, it is > enough to build Tamil maps. > > But, the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

2019-05-31 Thread John Whelan
You might just try osmand as well.  You can set the language to be displayed and if the item isn't tagged in Tamil it will display the English tag. Using JOSM you can select assets with and without values.  So you can find those places with just an English name.  Create a second layer,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Anyone who likes to organize an ID discussion panel at SotM?

2019-05-29 Thread john whelan
I take it by this email you are putting your views and that of your team of what should be done above everyone else and no one else's views should count which would be fine for any other editor. Unfortunately I honestly think there is a change management problem with the default editor on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread John Whelan
dards than others? Shouldn't they all be held to the same standard? On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 4:53 PM john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote: The problem with iD is the fact that it is the default editor on the web page of the website which implies that everything i

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread john whelan
The problem with iD is the fact that it is the default editor on the web page of the website which implies that everything is OpenStreetMap approved which unfortunately is not the case. If it's placed as the default editor then I think it needs to be held to a higher standard or some sort of

Re: [OSM-talk] Improving iD on osm.org (WAS: Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform)

2019-05-28 Thread john whelan
Do we need the editor on the web page to be the latest and greatest? I think a basic editor that allows you to add lines ie highways etc. POIs with tags should meet 95% of a casual mapper's needs if not more. A trimmed down stable version of iD should meet these requirements. I think the first

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-28 Thread john whelan
I would support a forked version of iD as a default editor on the home page. I think OpenStreetMap is mature and complex enough now to start using techniques like change management which are used in the IT world to manage change. It is common practice in corporate IT. Cheerio John On Tue, May

Re: [Talk-transit] Old railways

2019-05-12 Thread john whelan
>Btw, do you know of a way to copy data from one layer in JOSM to another, while keeping it at the exact same position? Create a new layer down load a tiny area with nothing in it works fine. Select what you want to copy and copy to new layer. Cheerio John On Sun, May 12, 2019, 1:46 PM Tijmen

Re: [OSM-talk] Why we square buildings (WAS: iD invents nosquare=yes for buildings which should not be squared)

2019-05-11 Thread john whelan
>Are buildings with rectangular corners buildings mappers from developed countries want to see on a map because they look more professional/tidy? ;-) I think the original problem was some buildings mapped in Nepal were of very poor quality and one way to pick them out quickly was to look for none

Re: [OSM-talk] iD invents nosquare=yes for buildings which should not be squared

2019-05-09 Thread john whelan
I agree it's a bad idea inflating the database size and I don't agree that all buildings should be square. Let iD warn about buildings mapped in this session by all means but that does not require all existing buildings to be square. Cheerio John On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 18:02, Jmapb wrote: > On

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-07 Thread john whelan
So if we connect a bus_stop to a highway with a path would that address the routing concerns? Or is that idea too simple? Thanks John On Tue, May 7, 2019, 3:53 PM Jarek Piórkowski, wrote: > Sorry, crossed my wires while editing at one point: > > > 9a. Because we must retain hw=bus_stop per #3

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-04 Thread john whelan
> > . > > I don't understand. Tutorials are local, or do you mean bus stops? Local > to what? All entities are locatable. > Please expand. > > Cheers > DaveF > Unfortunately people make notes often on paper. So someone leading a mapping group will refer to their notes when repeating the

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-04 Thread John Whelan
So can the proposal build on existing highway=bus_stop?  On reason for this is a number of cites have imported their bus stops from Open Data which ensures completeness.  ie all the bus stops in the city are present and occasionally they are reimported to catch any new bus stops or removal of

Re: [Talk-ca] NRC building footprints - from lidar

2019-04-27 Thread John Whelan
Is it just Manitoba or all of Canada? In which case do we want to revise the building import project. Thanks John keith hartley wrote on 4/27/2019 9:56 AM: Hi all, Canadian Geomatics posted this data set a few months back from Natural Resource Canada. It's Building footprints from Lidar or

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Data for Airdrie AB

2019-04-23 Thread john whelan
I'd check to see if it is included in the Stats Canada data first. If not then the buildings will be available in the Microsoft data which is correctly licensed. The open data licenses are a mine field. Stats is looking a releasing more municipal Open Data under the Federal Government license.

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Data for Airdrie AB

2019-04-22 Thread john whelan
I believe Toronto has been waiting a couple of years for approval from the LWG to give you some idea of time frames. Cheerio John On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 18:05, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Welcome to OSM, and thank you for your contributions! > > To answer your first question: the

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Data for Airdrie AB

2019-04-22 Thread john whelan
For building footprints there are two sources of open data that are correctly licensed. One is Microsoft's building footprints and the other is the Stat Can released data. The Stats Canada data is basically the municipal data released under the federal government's licence. I suggest you first

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread john whelan
This is good we have a quality control mechanism even if it is a blunt instrument, and we think the risk is low on the TRA side. Thank you for your input. Cheerio John On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 19:07, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 07/04/2019 23:37, john whelan wrote: > > > Developi

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread john whelan
so done the same, and gone farther with creating new tags on > its issue tracker. > > Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on OSM > tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes. > > On Apr 7, 2019 5:43 AM, John Whelan wrote: > > I note th

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread john whelan
and I think this is precisely my concern. Tagging is not always easy, highways in Africa are an example. See a dirt track in Europe and its probably a highway=track. In Africa it probably isn't. Cheerio John On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 11:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread john whelan
oth square and correctly tagged. iD takes far more clicks. Squaring after drawing introduces a level of approximation. Cheerio John On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 12:12, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 5:44 AM John Whelan wrote: > >> I note that the matter has b

[OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread John Whelan
I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm weekly. Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say normals. Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached house

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-28 Thread john whelan
; > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:46 AM Begin Daniel wrote: > >> Buildings where there is no available municipal data >> >> Sent from Galaxy S7 >> >> -- >> *From:* John Whelan >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:32:32 AM >

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-28 Thread John Whelan
e the Bing data looks nice? I found burbs in Winnipeg not bad, but there's some really weird elements when the source data is too simple (buildings in the middle of fields) or too complex (urban cores) > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 6:29 AM John Whelan wrote: > The Stats Canada data comes

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-27 Thread John Whelan
We have a history of using CANVEC data and importing that.  Daniel was very closely connected to the data.  In Ontario the ESRI tools are used in schools but they can be used with openstreetmap as the base map.   From a practical point of view developing a set of tools or process in the open

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-26 Thread john whelan
the last year or two. Hopefully there are > Alberta mappers on here who are much more active than I have been. > > Darren Wiebe > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:04 PM John Whelan wrote: > >> I think my concerns are to do with the "black box" approach. Knowing >

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-26 Thread John Whelan
I think my concerns are to do with the "black box" approach.  Knowing your background I trust your work but others might not. On a technical side I get the impression that cites with buildings that are close to each other are problematical.  I assume that small locations with a population of

Re: [OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

2019-03-26 Thread john whelan
Apparently I'm the mapper who is the 4th in Mali and currently I do not map for HOT. HOT does not have a monopoly in Mali. Cheerio John Cheerio John On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:26 PM Jean-Marc Liotier, wrote: > In some countries (Mali for example), HOT is by far the institution with > the most

Re: [OSM-talk] Questionnaire

2019-03-23 Thread John Whelan
ive sample is hard work. Cheerio John Tobias Knerr wrote on 2019-03-23 7:41 AM: On 23.03.19 12:05, John Whelan wrote: You posted the same message in the HOT mailing list. The same message was also sent to personal mail addresses of OSM contributors yesterday, presumably scraped from mailing lis

Re: [OSM-talk] Questionnaire

2019-03-23 Thread John Whelan
You posted the same message in the HOT mailing list. There are issues with your questionnaire that were identified there and have not been addressed. I suggest you address the issues if you want to get anything useful out of it. Cheerio John Daniela Šedlárová wrote on 2019-03-23 5:56 AM:

Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Building Import

2019-03-21 Thread John Whelan
...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2019 14:30 *To:* John Whelan *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import I've specifically and repeatedly requested that the tasking manager be taken down while this project is reworked... though that doesn't pertain directly

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-21 Thread John Whelan
Nate are you requesting something specific on the Canadian task manager for Toronto at this time or would you prefer to look through Daniel's work first? Thanks Cheerio John Nate Wessel wrote on 2019-03-21 1:49 PM: Daniel, This is exciting news! After much talk on this list, it seems we

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

2019-03-19 Thread john whelan
Go back to Ottawa and from the discussion we had there in Ontario it is the municipality that is the authority. >From memory years ago when OSM was mapped by cyclists taking photos of street names what was on the sign post was deemed correct. Unfortunately locally one street had three different

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-19 Thread John Whelan
Bonne chance John Begin Daniel wrote on 2019-03-19 2:14 PM: I expect Pierre, Tim and others to send me any data they believe would be problematic. If I send them my own test dataset, it may not cover the cases they are interested in. J Daniel *From:*john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-19 Thread john whelan
It would make logical sense to preprocess all the data but then you end up with two sources. The Open Data original and the preprocessed data source. >From a logical point of view it would make sense to use the Microsoft data to fill in the gaps. So add it into the preprocessed data. Then you

Re: [Talk-ca] Defining a local mapper group

2019-03-19 Thread john whelan
challenge is how to cultivate and maintain local > mapper groups based on volunteer work. > > Jonathan Brown > > *From: *John Whelan > *Sent: *Friday, March 15, 2019 10:01 AM > *To: *Jonathan Brown > *Cc: *talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Re: [Talk-c

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-15 Thread john whelan
nities would like to go forward. > > What do you reckon? > > Tim > > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_Building_Import > > > On 2019-03-15 14:01, John Whelan wrote: > Which I think comes back to defining the local mappers. > > There has been discussion on Mo

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
Which I think comes back to defining the local mappers. There has been discussion on Montreal as well and not all Ontario thinks the same way.  Ottawa local mappers for example have different opinions to Pierre and Nate on what is acceptable and I'm under the impression that not everyone in

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
I think there are two issues here the first is I accept having a large number of anything by one mapper has the potential for a systematic error. If the import is verified by a second mapper independently I assume this would be acceptable? The second is more to do with discussion within the

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

2019-03-15 Thread john whelan
I'm of the opinion that what the city says goes. We used that in Ottawa with things such as rue Slater rather than Rue Slater which I understand is more normal in Quebec. Cheerio John On Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 1:19 PM Jarek Piórkowski, wrote: > On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 at 13:02, Nate Wessel wrote: >

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
At the end of the day one would hope we are a community.  We are a large group with divergent opinions and to be honest there is a great deal of interest in non-mappers in this sort of data. For example building data is being used in Tanzania to work out the optimal areas for group solar

Re: [Talk-ca] Local groups as part of import plan

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
The problem is defining and contacting a local group.  Once defined then they can make the decision. I've seen as few as two people make a local group decision on an import before now although normally it is done over coffee. Also we get into who is a local mapper. Many people have an

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

2019-03-15 Thread John Whelan
or police a countrywide consensus, or even arrive at one. Maybe BC mappers like the import, square angles or no? (Does anyone go to the Metrotown Meetup?) --Jarek On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 19:36, john whelan wrote: Wicked lad importing without an import plan? Ask him nicely where the i

Re: [Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

2019-03-14 Thread john whelan
Wicked lad importing without an import plan? Ask him nicely where the import plan for their imports is. Looks like a new mapper so may not know the rules. I think currently there are two sets of data that are licensed for import, the Stats Can stuff and the Microsoft stuff. I haven't seen any

Re: [Talk-ca] Northumberland county

2019-03-06 Thread John Whelan
Ontario Thanks John wambac...@posteo.de wrote on 2019-03-06 5:14 AM: which relation? there are at least two in canada. Brunswick and Ontario. walter Am 06.03.19 um 02:05 schrieb john whelan: I can search in nomation for a supermarket in Ontario or Cobourg or even greater Manchester UK

[Talk-ca] Northumberland county

2019-03-05 Thread john whelan
I can search in nomation for a supermarket in Ontario or Cobourg or even greater Manchester UK but it doesn't work for Northumberland county. Could a relation specialist take a look at Northumberland county for me please. Admin level 6 Thanks John ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Windows, end users and OpenStreetMap suggestions please

2019-03-05 Thread John Whelan
Looking at it there are technical solutions that would work but they all require some expertise. Probably OSMand under an Android emulator would be the simplest for an end user to use and even then I find some of the functionality of OSMand difficult to use sometimes. For native Windows 10

[OSM-talk] Windows, end users and OpenStreetMap suggestions please

2019-03-03 Thread john whelan
Locally there is a group that would like to know where the nearest supermarket is. It should be simple enough but I wasn't able to think of a simple solution. On Android we have OSMand which works well off line but for a windows lap top I couldn't think of anything similar so I'm looking for

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
reas where > we have data from the ODB, importing from the ODB might be better. However, > caution has to be taken with ODB as well, as every municipality that > contributed data might have contributed a different data source, where the > quality should be check each time. > > Just my two

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
>More discussion often yields consensus. Feel free to lead the discussion and gain consensus. My feeling is it will not be possible to reach one across Canada. Good Luck Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
I would concur in general but any import needs the agreement of local mappers and I think we have to define who they are first. Cheerio John Danny McDonald wrote on 2019-03-02 7:23 PM: Just looking at the data for some random areas, it looks like the quality is comparable to hand-drawn

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
e. (One down, perhaps a bit more to go). SteveA On Mar 2, 2019, at 2:40 PM, john whelan wrote: Why are you planning to import it? Cheerio John On Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 5:26 PM OSM Volunteer stevea, wrote: A responsible complement to this would be a link to license information, a wiki page about t

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
d those data > actually be asserted to be worthy of being responsibly imported into OSM. > > SteveA > California > > > On Mar 2, 2019, at 2:17 PM, john whelan wrote: > > > > https://github.com/Microsoft/CanadianBuildingFootprints > > > > So now there

[Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
https://github.com/Microsoft/CanadianBuildingFootprints So now there are two Open Data sources for building outlines in Canada. Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-16 Thread John Whelan
building heights which are lost in the OBD. These are the reasons why we would like to import the original open data. Cheers, Tim On 2019-02-16 11:21, john whelan wrote: When you look at importing Montreal you might like to look at the following first. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-16 Thread john whelan
When you look at importing Montreal you might like to look at the following first. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/OGL_Canada_and_local_variants Note if the Montreal data in available through Stats Can and the federal government open data license it might be better to use that data source

Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Local Mappers and Editing Tool

2019-02-10 Thread john whelan
So you are adding data to OSM in Cobourg and Port Hope but not in Peterborough? There is an add-on to the ESRI products that will allow them to edit OpenStreetMap. Thanks Cheerio John On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 1:02 PM Jonathan Brown JW wrote: > > The way forward probably I suggest an opt out

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-10 Thread john whelan
Mapping buildings in iD can be done accurately, however going back in time to the Nepal earthquake generally speaking they were really poor quality. Pierre first took an interest in data quality around this time. Well he was interested before but grew more vocal. As part of 2020 a number of

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