Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?

2009-09-19 Per discussione ian lopez
The roads in Ortigas Center core area are complete. The only thing missing are the details in the service roads of Shangri-la Plaza Mall and Edsa Shangri-la Hotel. What is needed are buildings just like what Neil did with the Makati CBD. That was my point. And we don't have The Podium (as a

Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?

2009-09-19 Per discussione maning sambale
October weekends 4 11 18 25 On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM, ian lopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: The roads in Ortigas Center core area are complete. The only thing missing are the details in the service roads of Shangri-la Plaza Mall and Edsa Shangri-la Hotel. What is needed are

Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes

2009-09-19 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
Thanks Mike and Maning, The XAPI call worked beautifully. I tried it before but the HTTP connection just timed out so I tried it again tonight and it worked. :-) So the following XAPI call should now return the complete 80 place=state nodes for the provinces.

Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?

2009-09-19 Per discussione maning sambale
And can I request a pre-planning meeting? On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:33 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: October weekends 4 11 18 25 On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM, ian lopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: The roads in Ortigas Center core area are complete. The only

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attribution of data for use on TV

2009-09-19 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 19 Sep 2009, at 04:38, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 23:19 -0500, tele...@hushmail.com wrote: My question is what type of attribution is appropriate? I have no problem informing my end-users where I get the data. More than happy to do that. However, do I need to attribute

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attribution of data for use on TV

2009-09-19 Per discussione Matt Amos
On 9/19/09, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: On 19 Sep 2009, at 04:38, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 23:19 -0500, tele...@hushmail.com wrote: My question is what type of attribution is appropriate? I have no problem informing my end-users where I get the data. More

Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

2009-09-19 Per discussione H
I'm resending this: Thank you all for your answers. David, how did you display a historical map manually, and more generally, how can someone check the state of a region at a certain point in time (much like Wikipedia's History page)?. Eddy I would be great of you could post your code, I'd like to

[OSM-talk] Yahoo Sat Imagery

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
Does anyone know a contact to talk with at yahoo about their sat imagery? I know commercial sat imagery goes for about $14/sq km, but that probably isn't the cost of enabling online mapping sites with sat imagery so I'm just wondering if Yahoo would be interested in a 50/50 cost split to purchase

[OSM-talk] OSM on German TV

2009-09-19 Per discussione Maarten Deen
I just saw an item on OSM in (a rerun) of Quarks Co on the German TV station WDR. It was about mapping the inner city of Bonn for wheelchairs. Nice example of micromapping, where mappers were even measuring the height of the curbs and inclination of streets (both very important for wheelchair

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on German TV

2009-09-19 Per discussione wer-ist-roger
Am Samstag 19 September 2009 schrieb Maarten Deen: I just saw an item on OSM in (a rerun) of Quarks Co on the German TV station WDR. It was about mapping the inner city of Bonn for wheelchairs. Nice example of micromapping, where mappers were even measuring the height of the curbs and

[OSM-talk] ANNOUNCE: Free Garmin MapSource installer available

2009-09-19 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I've written a free installation program for Garmin's MapSource. It's aimed at the people who are maintaining Garmin map exports of the OpenStreetMap database. A lot of these exports[1] don't have a MapSource installer, some suggest proprietary solutions and some have a unconfigurable BAT file

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-19 Per discussione Greg Troxel
shop=vacant; empty stores should be marked vacant, not removed from map. I think this is fine. shop=foo disused=yes doesn't work because often the idenity of a shop is removed as the landlord gets ready to re-lease, and it's just an empty room. shop=supplements; specialty food and dietary

[OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione d f
Hi I have a bridge carrying a cycle lane, dual carriage way (with central reservtion) footpath. As far as I can see is they each need there own bridge the result gets a bit crowded. Is there a way to simplify this? If the bright was independent it could also mean that the ways wouldn't need

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 d f fac63te...@yahoo.com: Hi I have a bridge carrying a cycle lane, dual carriage way (with central reservtion) footpath. As far as I can see is they each need there own bridge the result gets a bit crowded. Is there a way to simplify this? If the bright was independent it

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: I would recommend a relation to unify several bridges in one (which gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more accurate and probably could also render nicer. That seems like such a nasty way to do it, this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Claudius
Am 19.09.2009 14:39, Martin Koppenhoefer: 2009/9/19 d ffac63te...@yahoo.com: Hi I have a bridge carrying a cycle lane, dual carriage way (with central reservtion) footpath. As far as I can see is they each need there own bridge the result gets a bit crowded. Is there a way to simplify

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: I would recommend a relation to unify several bridges in one (which gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more accurate and probably could also render nicer.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: don't get you. Isn't mapping lanes just the same like what I suggested? I'm in favour of mapping all lanes and ways as well, but you DO need relations to combine them into streets (indicating kind of separation and / or possibility to

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: I would recommend a relation to unify several bridges in one (which gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more accurate and probably could also render nicer. That seems like such a nasty way to do it, this is why I've suggested allowing us

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: don't get you. Isn't mapping lanes just the same like what I suggested? I'm in favour of mapping all lanes and ways as well, but you DO need relations to combine them into streets (indicating

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, John Smith wrote: I would recommend a relation to unify several bridges in one (which gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more accurate and probably could also render nicer. That seems like such a nasty way to

Re: [OSM-talk] [mkgmap-dev] ANNOUNCE: Free Garmin MapSource installer available

2009-09-19 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM, dom Team OiD d...@team-oid.de wrote: Hi, I'm sure such a tool is really cool stuff. I already experimented with easy installer, whcih is creating msi packaes for windows. I didn't use your installer, so this question comes up. What is the benefit of your

[OSM-talk] Free BlackBerry/Android POI mapping application

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
At work we've released for beta testing a POI mapping app for both BlackBerry and Android, with future plans for iPhone, Windows Mobile and Symbian. Already it's receiving favourable reviews from non-OSM mappers.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] [mkgmap-dev] ANNOUNCE: Free Garmin MapSource installer available

2009-09-19 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM, dom Team OiD d...@team-oid.de wrote: Hi, I'm sure such a tool is really cool stuff. I already experimented with easy installer, whcih is creating msi packaes for windows. I didn't use your installer, so this question comes up.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Mike Harris
From time to time I have a related problem, viz. a bridge carrying a public right of way and crossing both a physical feature, e.g. a river, and an administrative boundary. The result is that the ref= key changes value on the boundary, typically in the middle of the river, thus creating two

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Mike Harris
Claudius - I think you may have answered the question I just asked - thanks - I must admit that I hadn't seen this proposal before. Once again, relations prove powerful! Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Claudius [mailto:claudiu...@gmx.de] Sent: 19 September 2009 14:12 To:

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/20 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: Claudius - I think you may have answered the question I just asked - thanks - I must admit that I hadn't seen this proposal before. Once again, relations prove powerful! Yes except they get abused when we should be looking towards micromapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: what do you mean? We are already doing this: lanes=3 That only says how many lanes, it doesn't describe restrictions or properties of individual lanes. In simple cases you don't need it,

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: yes, but that's not the problem: straight parallel ways. The problem arises when they change (become one more or less), on intersections, etc. Try to imagine a situation like the one I posted above in a geometrically reduced system: it

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: OTOH, if osm2pgsql will only run some queries and let postgis handle the stamping of features with a proper field to filter on in the stylesheet, it can be done at the end of the import. The challenge to this method is in how to

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Sábado, 19 de Septiembre de 2009, John Smith escribió: I don't see the problem, you just need to be able to tag which lanes merge into which, or which diverge, this is a lane issue and needs to be solved on a lane basis, not on a way basis. Per-lane speed limits, per-lane traffic access

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Per discussione Lennard
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: I suppose it would be possible to get osm2pgsql to assign columns based on country locations, if the relevant polygons were available in Not just countries, but also states (different shields per state, for instance). Granted: same thing really. One more issue

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
this is a lane issue and needs to be solved on a lane basis, not on a way basis. +1, that's what I say. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:24 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: don't get you. Isn't mapping lanes just the same like what I suggested? I'm in favour of mapping all lanes and ways as well, but you DO need relations to

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, but that's not the problem: straight parallel ways. The problem arises when they change (become one more or less), on intersections, etc. Try to imagine a situation like the one I posted above in a

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Perhaps there could be some sort of special designation for a way with 3 lanes at the beginning and 2 lanes at the end, which designates whether the right or left lane ends, if you really want to get into the fine detail. To

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-19 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: There's a far larger issue, which I noticed on Garmin's proprietary map data.  When searching for A, how does one map the desire A to the category scheme, and then enter it, and get the right answer?  For restaurants, is it

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, but that's not the problem: straight parallel ways. The problem arises when they change (become one more or less), on intersections, etc. Try to imagine a situation like the one I posted above in a

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-19 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Roy Wallace wrote: Regarding search - ideally, I think the user should be able to say that they want to eat a t-bone steak in mood lighting for under $20 less than 30min drive away Whoa, that would be the killer app! Go out for cheap drinks with some friends, meet a nice person of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: There is indeed a problem with bridges (in cases like yours it looks like several bridges where in reality there is just one, then there are bridge-names that can differ from the streetname, etc.) I wonder if

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: This can be done without resorting to mapping each lane separately.  If you have a three lane road with no lane change restrictions or physical barriers, you map it as one way, with three lanes, with the position as the center of the three lanes.  When the

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/20 Martijn van Oosterhout klep...@gmail.com: I suppose it would be possible to get osm2pgsql to assign columns based on country locations, if the relevant polygons were available in another table. Handling diffs is not the problem, osm2pgsql knows exactly which things have changed and

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/20 Lennard l...@xs4all.nl: Not just countries, but also states (different shields per state, for instance). Granted: same thing really. This is one reason to do these sorts of routes as relations instead of trying to cram lots of information into the way, you then should avoid

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:37 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't suggesting to map each lane separately, however an editor could display lanes and it would be so much better to display them as parallel ways which could be edited if they needed to be. John, do you concede

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:37 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: This can be done without resorting to mapping each lane separately. If you have a three lane road with no lane change restrictions or physical barriers, you map it as one way,

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: That's an editor issue.  If the editor wants to display lanes in a single way as parallel ways, and let you edit them if need be, it can do that. It's also a DB/framework issue, I don't think relations should be abused for this purpose, instead the DB needs to

[OSM-talk] shp-to-osm 0.6 released

2009-09-19 Per discussione Ian Dees
For those of you using the shp-to-osm app, I just uploaded the 0.6 version. If you're looking for what changed, here's the changelog: http://redmine.yellowbkpk.com/versions/show/15 Download here: http://redmine.yellowbkpk.com/projects/list_files/geo

Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Matt White
Liz wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Matt wrote and John Smith copied: Either way, the big issue in Australia is trying to get people invloved in the regional areas, as it's just not feasible for us city folk to leg it 400km on the weekend to map a town. 400km - do you think that's

[talk-au] Australian version of JOSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Liz
If we had an english-AU version of JOSM, we could have our own 'presets' file so we wouldn't have Baby Hatch as an amenity, and we could have some other useful things, including 4wd_only on the presets. I'm no great coder, it is xml, and I have just realised that this is an opportunity to have

Re: [talk-au] Australian version of JOSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/19 Liz ed...@billiau.net: If we had an english-AU version of JOSM, we could have our own 'presets' file so we wouldn't have Baby Hatch as an amenity, and we could have some other useful things, including 4wd_only on the presets. I'm no great

Re: [talk-au] Draft association rules + LC page

2009-09-19 Per discussione Liz
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: So far no one has commented if one state is better to register an entity or not, cost wise it seems they are all very similar. Would anyone be against doing this in NSW at all? If so why? Your company secretary will have to reside in NSW, that would then

Re: [talk-au] Draft association rules + LC page

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/19 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: So far no one has commented if one state is better to register an entity or not, cost wise it seems they are all very similar. Would anyone be against doing this in NSW at all? If so why? Your company secretary will have

Re: [talk-au] Australian version of JOSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: yes, so do we need some statistical analysis like tagwatch to determine which tags are in use? a wiki page to put forward edits? I'd start with existing wiki pages like the tagging guidelines for aussies. someone to sign up to maintain the list?

Re: [talk-au] Australian version of JOSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Sam Couter
Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: so we wouldn't have Baby Hatch as an amenity WTF is a baby hatch?! Is it like a laundry chute, where babies go when they're dirty and you're finished with them? I'd like one of them thanks. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B

Re: [talk-au] Australian version of JOSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Liz
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/19 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au: Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: so we wouldn't have Baby Hatch as an amenity WTF is a baby hatch?! Is it like a laundry chute, where babies go when they're dirty and you're finished with them? I'd like one of

Re: [talk-au] Draft association rules + LC page

2009-09-19 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/19 Liz ed...@billiau.net: Your company secretary will have to reside in NSW, that would then be set. I'm going through the model rules atm, and part one covers this: secretary means: (a) the person holding office under these rules as secretary of the association, or (b) if no such person

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 02:50:54AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: braucht man ja auch nicht unbedingt. Meiner Meinung nach ist es gerade bei größeren Straßen, also mit mehreren Spuren aber nicht baulich getrennt leichter zu mappen und zu lesen, wenn man die Haltestellen an ihre tatsächliche

Re: [Talk-de] Parteien zu OSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:28:48PM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Bei den Politikern koennte viel staerker als bei der Wikipedia der Eindruck entstehen: Wenn wir Daten fuer OSM freigeben, profitieren letztendlich die sowieso schon dicken Unternehmen

Re: [Talk-de] Schlossstraße vs. Schloßstraße - neue gesetzliche Rechtschreibung vs. alter Eigen name - wie sollen wir es bei OSMhalten

2009-09-19 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 09:55:36PM +0200, Mirko Küster wrote: Wäre eine Maßnahme. Oder Bot Edits nur temporär und dann von einem Ortskundigen validieren lassen. Ein anderer Fall gleicher Bot. Ich habe mir an einige Elemente eine comment=xyz angehängt um nicht note=xyz verwenden zu müssen,

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Simon
Am 16. September 2009 22:23 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: es ist soweit ;-), bitte stimmt alle ab (falls noch nicht getan), ob die allgemeine Definition von highway der in Deutschland bereits gängigen Praxis (s. Mapfeatures:De) angepasst werden soll:

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg-Relation

2009-09-19 Per discussione Markus
Herzlichen Dank demjenigen, der die Relation korrigiert hat! http://betaplace.emaitie.de/webapps.relation-analyzer/analyze.jsp?relationId=240937 Jetzt wird auf der Karte alles korrekt angezeigt: www.lau-net.de/baerlocher/osm/Simmelsdorf.html?zoom=12lat=49.61lon=11.3363layers=B0TTFF

Re: [Talk-de] Parteien zu OSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Christoph Wagner
Ulf Möller schrieb: netzpolitik.org hat CDU, SPD, FDP, Grüne und Piratenpartei gefragt: Unterstützen Sie die Forderung, Freie Software und Open-Source-Projekte wie Wikipedia oder OpenStreetMap zu fördern und wenn ja, wie? http://netzpolitik.org/2009/antworten-der-parteien-zur-netzpolitik/

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 09:22 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org: Ich bin da aber emotionslos - wenn jemand das auf den weg packt so soll er das machen ich prinzipiell auch, wie man allerdings an diesem Thread sieht, verkompliziert das halt unnötig die Situation für Anfänger, empfehlen würde

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 10:50 schrieb Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com: Am 16. September 2009 22:23 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: es ist soweit ;-), bitte stimmt alle ab (falls noch nicht getan), ob die allgemeine Definition von highway der in Deutschland bereits gängigen

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Mirko Küster
Mir ist auch unklar, wie die Richtung der Haltestelle da angegeben werden soll (im Grunde geht daher eine wichtige Information verloren oder man benötigt extra Tags, die vermutlich auch noch von der Wegrichtung abhängen). Welcher Router kann denn nur anhand der Lage ohne weitere Angabe irgendwo

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 13:14 schrieb Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de: Mir ist auch unklar, wie die Richtung der Haltestelle da angegeben werden soll (im Grunde geht daher eine wichtige Information verloren oder man benötigt extra Tags, die vermutlich auch noch von der Wegrichtung abhängen).

Re: [Talk-de] Parteien zu OSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Tim 'avatar' Bartel
Hi, Am 18. September 2009 22:23 schrieb Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de: netzpolitik.org hat CDU, SPD, FDP, Grüne und Piratenpartei gefragt: Unterstützen Sie die Forderung, Freie Software und Open-Source-Projekte wie Wikipedia oder OpenStreetMap zu fördern und wenn ja, wie?

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 12:41:36PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 19. September 2009 09:22 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org: Ich bin da aber emotionslos - wenn jemand das auf den weg packt so soll er das machen ich prinzipiell auch, wie man allerdings an diesem Thread sieht,

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Mirko Küster schrieb: In den meisten Fällen bringt das verbindungslose daneben Pappen rein garnichts. Wenn ich die Haltestelle neben die Straße setze, könnte ich jederzeit ohne weitere Ortskenntnis diese auf die Straße ziehen. Wenn ich die Haltestelle auf die Straße setze, kann ich nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Mirko Küster
es geht mir gar nicht nur um Router, einfach wenn Du Dir die Karte ansiehst weisst Du, wo die Haltestelle ist. Keine Ahnung, wie das bei Dir in der Gegend ist, aber hier sind die Haltestellen für verschiedene Richtungen z.T. richtig weit entfernt, bzw. gelten manche Haltestellen nur für eine

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Mirko Küster
Wenn ich die Haltestelle neben die Straße setze, könnte ich jederzeit ohne weitere Ortskenntnis diese auf die Straße ziehen. Musst du doch nicht, dafür ist der Ortskundige da. Ferndiagnose geht sowieso oft genug in die Hose. Wenn ich die Haltestelle auf die Straße setze, kann ich nicht mehr

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 14:20 schrieb Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de: Standardfall, Straße mit beidseitigem Fußweg und gegenüberliegend beide nur einer Haltestelle. Da reicht ein Node mehr als aus. auf dem Land mag das streckenweise so sein, aber es gibt halt nicht nur den

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 14:36 schrieb Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de: Du mußt um diese Information zu bekommen dafür nochmal hinfahren und alles nochmal aufnehmen. Muss ich nicht, ich brauche blos die entsprechende DVD mit den Bildern holen und los gehts. Da muss sich schon keiner meinen

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Claudius
Eingangs erwähnt: Ich finde deinen Ton, Mikro ganz auch ganz schön im Sinne von nach mir die Sintflut und wenig auf einen Kompromiss hinarbeitend. Einen mir wichtigen Punkt würde ich gerne herausgreifen, der mit bisher noch nicht klar geworden ist: Am 19.09.2009 14:36, Mirko Küster: Wenn ich

Re: [Talk-de] Parteien zu OSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Tim 'avatar' Bartel wrote: Dazu ist vielleicht auch die Lektüre von http://www.wikimedia.de/wahlpruefsteine09 interessant. Denkt ihr, die Aussage der Piratenpartei: Wir stellen uns gegen die gängige Praxis, in der Privatfirmen aus staatlich finanzierten Werken Profit schlagen dürfen.

Re: [Talk-de] Parteien zu OSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 15:29 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hallo, Tim 'avatar' Bartel wrote: Dazu ist vielleicht auch die Lektüre von http://www.wikimedia.de/wahlpruefsteine09 interessant. Denkt ihr, die Aussage der Piratenpartei: Wir stellen uns gegen die gängige Praxis, in

Re: [Talk-de] Parteien zu OSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione Dominik Schulz
Am Samstag 19 September 2009 15:29:11 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Denkt ihr, die Aussage der Piratenpartei: Wir stellen uns gegen die gängige Praxis, in der Privatfirmen aus staatlich finanzierten Werken Profit schlagen dürfen. ist einfach nur schlampig formuliert, oder wuerden die Piraten

Re: [Talk-de] Parteien zu OSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione André Reichelt
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Wir stellen uns gegen die gängige Praxis, in der Privatfirmen aus staatlich finanzierten Werken Profit schlagen dürfen. Es geht vorwiegend um staatlich finanzierte Forschung. Mit der gängigen Praxis ist folgendes gemeint: Bisher ist es so, dass viele Firmen staatliche

Re: [Talk-de] Piratenpartei benutzt Google Maps

2009-09-19 Per discussione André Reichelt
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Huch, was? Ich will einen alten WMF-Server für OSM-Anwendungen! Willst du da denn OSM-Projekte drauf laufen lassen? Wäre für mein Anwenderoffensive-Projekt sicherlich zuträglich, da ich bisher entweder nur lokal arbeiten kann oder auf einem Freehoster. Lokal hat den

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione André Reichelt
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: es ist soweit ;-), bitte stimmt alle ab (falls noch nicht getan), ob die allgemeine Definition von highway der in Deutschland bereits gängigen Praxis (s. Mapfeatures:De) angepasst werden soll: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_key_voting_importance Ich

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestelle in JOSM verschieben

2009-09-19 Per discussione Michael Buege
Zitat Martin Koppenhoefer: [...] Ich habe ja zunächst nur die Antwort von Michael Buege in Frage gestellt, der einem hilfesuchenden Neuling explizit eine Lösung empfohlen hat, die nicht Konsens ist und Probleme beinhaltet. Ich habe einem Hilfe suchenden Neuling explizit eine Lösung fuer ein

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 17:17 schrieb André Reichelt andr...@online.de: Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: es ist soweit ;-), bitte stimmt alle ab (falls noch nicht getan), ob die allgemeine Definition von highway der in Deutschland bereits gängigen Praxis (s. Mapfeatures:De) angepasst werden soll:

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Garry
André Reichelt schrieb: Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: es ist soweit ;-), bitte stimmt alle ab (falls noch nicht getan), ob die allgemeine Definition von highway der in Deutschland bereits gängigen Praxis (s. Mapfeatures:De) angepasst werden soll:

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione André Reichelt
Garry schrieb: Es geht um eine sinnlose Abstimmung... Ein System das in England entstand und auf dem dortigen Strassensystem bassiert soll internationalisiert werden und den Engländern gegebenfalls Ihr bestehendes Strassensystem überschrieben wird. Und ich dachte schon, mein Englisch hat

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-09-19 Per discussione Garry
northc...@gmx.de schrieb: Zunächst möchte ich mal etwas klarer darstellen. Und zwar den Begriff Modellflugplatz. Dieser ist als solches irreführend. Es ist wenn dann erstmal ein für Modellflug geeignetes Gelände. Ich sehe da schon einen deutlichen Unterschied zwischen einem Modellflug

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Garry wrote: Es geht um eine sinnlose Abstimmung... +1... den Kommentaren bei den Abstimmern nach zu urteilen, haben viele auch nicht so recht den Plan, worueber sie da abstimmen (ich stimme Ja, damit man auch auf den kleinen Zoomleveln mehr Strassen sieht - hae?). Es ist halt wieder mal

[Talk-de] Naturschutz- / Biosphärenreservat - G esetze = gemeinfrei ?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Moin !!! Naturschutz- / Biosphärenreservat werden doch per Gesetz / Verordnung deklariert und definiert - damit müßten doch auch die Grenzen gemeinfrei sein oder ??? Dann hieße es nur noch irgendwie an die betreffende Datei zu gelangen ?!?!??! Gruß Jan :-)

[Talk-de] Poststelle nur mit Postfächern

2009-09-19 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! in CELLE habe ich einen Postraum gesehen der nur als Postfachlager diente - auch als POST_OFFICE taggen ?? Kasten und Briefmarkenautomat standen davor und das Postamt war eine Straße weiter ! Gruß jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Poststelle nur mit Postfächern

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 20:16 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Moin ! in CELLE habe ich einen Postraum gesehen der nur als Postfachlager diente - auch als POST_OFFICE taggen ?? Kasten und Briefmarkenautomat standen davor und das Postamt war eine Straße weiter ! m.E. eher nicht als

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutz- / Biosphärenreservat - Gese tze = gemeinfrei ?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 20:04 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Moin !!! Naturschutz- / Biosphärenreservat  werden doch per Gesetz / Verordnung deklariert und definiert - damit müßten doch auch die Grenzen gemeinfrei sein oder ??? Dann hieße es nur noch irgendwie an die betreffende

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2009 19:21 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Garry wrote: Es geht um eine sinnlose Abstimmung... +1... den Kommentaren bei den Abstimmern nach zu urteilen, haben viele auch nicht so recht den Plan, worueber sie da abstimmen (ich stimme Ja, damit man auch auf

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Danke, aber leider war es eher das Gegenteil von Spaß Naja. Dann hast halt nicht Du den Spass, sondern jene, durch deren hingehaltene Reifen Du springst ;) Eigentlich ein Riesenaufwand für eine Kleinigkeit, aber da es sowohl hier auf talk-de in letzer Zeit

Re: [Talk-de] taho

2009-09-19 Per discussione Dimitri Junker
Hallo, mit taho.pl gab es noch ein Problem, man konnte nicht das Zielverzeichnis vorgeben. Einerseits führte das dazu, daß man nicht hintereinander Karten verschiedener Quellen (Mapnik, Osmarender,...) laden konnte wenn der Cache akiv ist. Also habe ich ein -output als Parameter eingeführt.

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Man koennte ja auch mal damit anfangen, *daran* zu arbeiten, d.h. also davon wegzukommen, dass irgendwelche Papiertiger sich stur auf das Wiki berufen, als sei es in Stein gemeisselt. Genaugenommen ist damit ja schon angefangen worden (tagwatch, osmdoc etc.), aber man

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Ulf Lamping wrote: Dann wird halt darüber diskutiert, ob jetzt tag xy verwendet wurden muß, weil es zu 80% in tagwatch verwendet wird und das Tag yz ja sowieso sinnlos ist, oder zu kompliziert oder ... :-) Ich halte das fuer etwas grundsaetzlich verschiedenes. Menschen, denen es

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-19 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Menschen, denen es im Blut liegt, dass es irgendwo eine verbindliche Liste von Tags oder verbindliche Regeln geben muss, die gehen grundsaetzlich davon aus, dass das Wiki diese Liste sei und dass sich jeder daran haelt. Vielen Menschen ist es wohl eher wichtig,

Re: [Talk-de] Rollstuhlrouting-Portal online!

2009-09-19 Per discussione Sebastian Hohmann
Astrid Müller schrieb: Hallo, das Rollstuhlfahrer-Routing Portal ist nun testweise online und kann unter folgender Adresse aufgerufen werden: www.rollstuhlrouting.de Bitte beachtet, dass sich die Seite noch im Aufbau befindet!!! Ich hab auch den Beitrag bei Quarks Co gesehen. Einfach

[Talk-it] Telefono Low Cost per OSM

2009-09-19 Per discussione ale_z...@libero.it
Buongiorno lista, vista la dipartita di un cellulare e un palmare in due mesi, devo acquistare un cellulare; la specifica principale è LOW COST (giusto per ribadire la mia genovesità :-) ) e NO FRILLS, che riceva il segnale GPS del 747 via Bluetooth e visualizzi uno straccio di mappa senza

Re: [Talk-it] Pagina sullo stato del mapping nei diversi comuni del FVG

2009-09-19 Per discussione Francesco de Virgilio
Il 18 settembre 2009 19.51, Andrea Decorte adeco...@gmail.com ha scritto: Bene visto che nessuno è contrario, procederò a ampliare la pagina a tutti i comuni e poi metterò un link nella pagina del Friuli-Venezia Giulia CIao 2009/9/14 Gianmario Mengozzi gianmario.mengo...@gmail.com Il

Re: [Talk-it] Edifici importati da suddividere per inserimento di POI/civici?

2009-09-19 Per discussione Carlo Stemberger
Il 18/09/2009 19:49, Andrea Decorte ha scritto: Dunque, siamo 2 a favore della soluzione del nodo, 2 a favore della soluzione della divisione degli edifici. Parità perfetta... nessun altro parere per sbloccare la situazione? ;-) Io trovo che nessuna delle due soluzioni sia molto valida, però

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