On 1 December 2010 11:22, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Thats great, what happens if someone traces the park from aerial
imagery, and doesnt know/care about any of those? Or for that matter,
if someone tags it on-the-ground, but doesnt add all the details?
What defautls should
On 1 December 2010 11:55, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
A park. Open, green area for recreation, usually municipal. These are
outdoor areas, typically grassy/green areas, set aside of leisure and
recreation.
Typically (or pretty much always) open to the public, but may be
fenced off, and may
On 1 December 2010 13:14, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
I'd love it. It's a feature I'm quite looking forward to. One day
OSM will be able to route me from Linkwood Avenue to Pine Bay Drive
through the park
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.07187lon=-82.550402zoom=18layers=M),
saving me
hi,
auckland city council provides very high resolution photos, which some
nz users would like to use for tracing. this is the license under
which we can use the data. i'm not sure how to proceed. some advice,
please?
[quote]
You are permitted to use this website and any data, maps, plans,
hi,
i walk a lot, and would like a routing engine which understands i can
take a direct route across an open public space, such as a park,
without needing a footpath to be explicitly drawn in. the existing
routing engines don't seem to understand this.
or am i missing a tag? do i need to tag
the auckland city council has this as its copyright notice. how
compatible would this be with cc-by-sa, or odbl?
http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/en/pages/Copyrightstatement.aspx
if it isn't, which items are incompatible?
cheers
--
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http://creativespace.org.nz/
On 8 July 2010 00:29, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote:
2 Part answer:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/556706
Aotearoa is used because it is the default name if it can't find a
language match.
ah, interesting. that should probably be name:mi
well spotted,
On 8 July 2010 14:36, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote:
Aotearoa New Zealand would be a better name, at least in en-NZ [1]. It's a
much more politically correct term than New Zealand; we're not Dutch. New
i was never keen on basing my decisions upon manipulative
empty-headed,
well, here's an odd thing:
if i search for pahia from firefox 3.6, it returns 'Pahia, New Zealand'
if i search from IE7, it returns 'Pahia, Aotearoa' . Aotearoa is the
Maori name for New Zealand. or rather, new Zealand is the English name
for Aotearoa
any suggestions why?
can someone else try
there's a mapper near me, who's very active adding data.
the problem is, he's making a lot of mistakes, such as roads not
joining correctly at junctions, bridges drawn as a separate parallel
line to the highway they should relate to, and other fairly
unambiguous errors.
up till now, i've
On 11 June 2010 08:34, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
I posted this idea as an off-topic message in a thread about the post office
in talk-us, but I thought it might get more interest over here on t...@...
What if we came up with a way to make POI collection a competition or game?
Think
On 11 June 2010 11:04, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
Let's forget the prizes for now, even if they could some how be turned
into a positive. What about the mechanism?
How do we create a super easy way for folks with focused interests to
participate in OSM? Say a super postbox
On 6 June 2010 12:21, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
highway=steps area=yes?
A very good question posed by Alex. I have a few wide steps (~50m) in my
city.
It's a good start for a solution from Nathan, but it would need a
direction tag in order for the renderers to know which way
On 1 June 2010 23:30, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
The on the ground rule is only appropriate for disputes, and
shouldn't be used as an instruction of what should or should not be
mapped (for that, see the guidelines on verifiability).
The on the ground rule is that when two
On 21 May 2010 00:34, Peter Batty peter.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
And perhaps also private organizations that will take your data but
not let you have it back :) ?
Sent from my iPhone
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i found a map on wikipedia from 1859, which i would assume makes it
out of copyright and thus far game for copying data into osm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AucklandMapHochstetter1859.JPG
if so, what would be the best way to view it as an underlay, for
adding volcanoes to the map database?
i'm interested in the following from a technical and social
perspective: as part of the LINZ import, some members of osm in NZ are
about to add a lot of data to NZ. we've already had a number of
mappers contact us concerned we are about to write over their data
(which incidentally, won't happen)
On 13 May 2010 09:38, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
we would like to make as many NZ mappers aware of the import as
possible, firstly to reduce these concerns, and to stop the potential
outfux of NZ mappers who see themselves being replaced by bots and
scripts. also, it would of
On 19 March 2010 22:32, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
i don't know what a DEM is unfortunately
this?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_elevation_model
Sorry, my bad. Yes, that's what I was meaning. It's basically the raw
data behind contours, hillshading and so on.
On 29 April 2010 21:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
It would help if you thought a little more about duplicate things on the one
position.
E.g. Service Station
could have 5 or 6 types of fuel, an address, a phone number, notes about
ancillary services - car wash, groceries, telephone, atm
On 28 April 2010 18:33, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote:
we have a situation as part of the LINZ import where some nodes need
to be merged - specifically cattle stops, gates, etc. with roads.
there are lots of these, so we would like to do it programmatically.
is there a tool to do
we have a situation as part of the LINZ import where some nodes need
to be merged - specifically cattle stops, gates, etc. with roads.
there are lots of these, so we would like to do it programmatically.
is there a tool to do this en masse? either a josm plugin, or some
command-line tool?
cheers
we LINZ importers in NZ are looking for some help with tag matching.
we have a heap of data, and need to correlate it to tags in OSM, but
most of the importers have little experience of OSM and don't know the
tags
could i ask for some help? we've set up a page with all the LINZ
categories in, and
On 16 April 2010 19:22, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
Where an existing road in OSM has a GPS trace, keep it or manually reconcile
some gps traces are pretty poor. urban canyoning, poor-resolution gps
units, and other variables make it hard to judge if the traces are
correct or not
the
a number of OSM mappers in new zealand are currently working on the
import of Land Information New Zealand data into OSM
one of the issues that has come up is the question of what to do when
there is existing data. we've got a few ideas, but none of them are
optimal
does anyone who has
On 16 April 2010 11:25, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem with WMS layers is you loose the meta information that
already exists, or you need to do a lot of work to add it after
tracing.
do oyu have any suggestions how to keep the metadata when importing? i
presume it is a
On 16 April 2010 14:05, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote:
I have some .osm files containing the outlines of areas. I want to
simplify the outline to make the files smaller and to make drawing quicker
(I have many of these shapes to use in an OpenLayers vector layer), but I
On 18 March 2010 11:28, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote:
I would love to get my hands on this to support emergency management
response. I'm part of the Sahana project, which provides open source
disaster planning response tools.. you can read more about the NZ efforts
here:
On 18 March 2010 10:47, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
i've been offered contours for new zealand under a cc license. the
precision is 20m, which i believe is higher than that of the srtm
data.
how would i go about getting these into osm? from what i can tell,
contours are generally
On 19 March 2010 01:35, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you being offered a 20m DEM, or just the contours generated from a
DEM? The DEM is more useful (it's a grid of spot-heights) since it can
be used to generate hillshading etc too.
i don't know what a DEM is unfortunately
i've been offered contours for new zealand under a cc license. the
precision is 20m, which i believe is higher than that of the srtm
data.
how would i go about getting these into osm? from what i can tell,
contours are generally handled differently to other data
On 6 March 2010 16:01, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
landuse? no, i didn't use that. i used leisure=park
sure. ahh… our messy key,tag combinations for areas natural, landuse,
leisure …
and it's not a national park, only local council
we still use it for parks if it's
On 7 March 2010 13:55, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote:
Whoa, had a bad day? When things doesn't doesn't work like you want
them to, it's not because the world is a horrible mess.
no, not a bad day. previous bad experiences on osm around tagging:
everyone's so concentrated on their own small
On 5 March 2010 20:35, simon msr...@gmail.com wrote:
In this case your park have to follow the coastline with the tham node
(I have correct it to show you)
unfortunately the water is part of the park
If it was a park with water in the midle you have to use multipolygone
relation
On 5 March 2010 20:40, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't use coastline but tag the basin with natural water or any other water
type tags
like riverbank …
hmm, well if we can ignore for a moment the abomination of
inconsistency that is water tagging in general and
On 5 March 2010 20:39, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 March 2010 17:17, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
i've recently mapped a park which contains a basin. when the tiles
render, the whole area, including the water, renders green. how would
i tag this so
On 6 March 2010 01:41, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
haven't you stated above that the water is part of the park? The
multipolygon-relation will exclude the inner from the outer, so IMHO
this is not your desired solution...
ah, yes. good point.
i hadn't understood it
On 6 March 2010 06:23, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
Didn't see when zoomed in to your view. clear now from low zoom.
you can hack it but that is dirty tagging for the renderer.
it is indeed. i'll leave it as is, and come up with some bullshit for
when a casual map user asks why
i'm after some advice. i know this is potentially tagging for the
renderer, but still
i've recently mapped a park which contains a basin. when the tiles
render, the whole area, including the water, renders green. how would
i tag this so the renderer understands the water bit should be treated
as
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the srtm contour data used in some osm renders is great, partic for
cyclists and walkers. i've realised that it's not as high
accuracy/precision as it might be though. i notice that most GPS
devices also record the elevation within their tracklogs, and that it
might be useful to extract this data,
2009/12/28 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
Pure GPS elevation is worthless due to bad precision (for technical reasons,
Z measurement is much worse than X/Y measurement in GPSes). Some GPSes have
ok, i didn't realise that. what levels of bad precision are we talking
about; i assume it varies
i had an idea recently, that it might be possible to map a stream or
small river (in an area with poor aerial photo coverage) by using a
gps in a waterproof container attached to a flotation device
i created a wiki page to collect ideas and criticisms, unfortunately
my local streams are all too
2009/6/13 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:
Also - Is OpenStreetPhoto going to be usable for storage of ground level
photos of junctions, bridges etc which can be useful for photo route
planning or not. The name you have used would lead me to expect that it
would, however the project
2009/6/19 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com:
You all seem to be having the same (IDENTICAL) issues that im (talk-ca
list) are having with the CanVec data, geobase please join in on the
talk-ca list as your ideas are valuable, and of mutual benifit :-)
right, i'm sure we can learn off
2008/9/1 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
... which can be fixed at a later time, if desired. Trying to create rules
why fix it later, that creates extra work? and what do you mean
'fixed'? i thought having them mapped with one of 3 different tagging
schemes was a good thing?
upfront runs a
now that auckland's got pretty good coverage, i've been using it for map
links to send to people, rather than relying on other services. the
problem is, it can be difficult to indicate where exactly i am showing
them to go
e.g. i sent someone directions to my house, and along with the link to
John McKerrell wrote:
Funnily enough, that link you sent through should actually work and do
exactly what you want, I'm not sure why it didn't. This one does:
http://openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-36.7mlon=174.75006zoom=15layers=0B0FTFlat=-36.88822lon=174.7553
I don't think there's a
2008/9/1 David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
i'm sure there must be way to do this without mangling urls?
Go to the Export tab on www.openstreetmap.org,
choose embeddable HTML
click add marker to map
copy the Iframe output and see the URL it contains
David
yes, that does the trick -
Lance Dyas wrote:
leblatt wrote:
No big deal, but when I hit « reply » on a talk@openstreetmap.org
mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org message, it replies to the message
originator, not the list. I have to hit “reply all”, and remove the
originator.
On the French ML, I just have to hit
Frederik Ramm wrote:
My major problem with attaching significance to the direction of ways is
the ease with which that direction can and will be changed. We will
never have API support for juggling around all sorts of left/right tags
(plus oneway, incline and what-have-you), so this is the
Gregory wrote:
My only thought would be tag as much as you can (carpark, graveyard,
buildings, paths, are all quite big) which will give an idea of what's
the space been used as.
Perhaps the remaining space could be tagged as some green landuse(I
assume it has grass trees), although you
so, there i was with a captive audience (my local lug mailing list),
who were expecting to be e-mailed a google maps link for the location
of a meetup next week. no, i thought, i'll send them an osm link -
auckland's looking pretty good now, i should encourage people to use
that
so, i fired up
Mike Collinson wrote:
This is just for fun but might also raise some useful publicity as quirky
stunt.
snip
- Does not have to be bicycle. Foot, roller-blade, kayak ... could be added
if there is interest.
what an awesome idea. great way to map, to publicise, to meet other
mappers. can
Chris G wrote:
I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps
and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my
motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or
should I give up and buy two separate devices?
It's doubtful (to me) if
i've been getting an error in osm all day, whenever i hit reload, or try
to do something in the messages section:
---
Application error
Change this error message for exceptions thrown outside of an action
(like in Dispatcher setups or broken Ruby code) in public/500.html
Steve Chilton wrote:
Dermot
There are two reasons why your tag combination ought to be able to
render correctly as is statement is not valid.
Firstly - as Thomas pointed out - mapnik likes one feature per way.
Secondly - landuse=grass is not rendered at the moment (because of the
vast
Tom Hughes wrote:
robin paulson wrote:
i've been getting an error in osm all day, whenever i hit reload, or
try to do something in the messages section:
---
Application error
Change this error message for exceptions thrown outside of an action
(like in Dispatcher
2008/8/26 Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I disagree with this view.
Do you tag post boxes as way nodes? Shops? Telephones?
No...
So why bus stops? They aren't in the road. They are sites on the side,
like all of the above. It makes no sense to tag them as way objects.
a good point, and as
2008/8/26 Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Is 'mapping for renderers' any worse than 'mapping for routers'?
both are bad i think
Step back from the we're going to use it for routing busses approach a
moment; a fair few users may wish to print a map, so the renderers need
to do this right. I
2008/8/27 Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What? Of course it has relevance. The number means nothing without the
street. Houses don't have GUIDs. It has to be associated with it's street if
you ever want to look it up by address.
i'm not sure what a guid is, i assume it's 'globally unique
2008/8/27 David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I disagree. I might drive up to a post box to post a letter, if I was really
lazy. However, unless I'm a bus driver (and let's face it, they're not going
to be the main map users) you are unlikely to drive up to a bus stop to get
on a bus (unless
2008/8/25 Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
as for placing the node to one side of the way in order to get the icon to
be placed correctly, this sounds a lot like 'tagging for the renderer'
Part of it depends. In Ireland, bus stops are frequently marked with a sign
on the path. This post is not
2008/8/25 Kevin Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
or, consider from the pedestrian's point-of-view:
it is assumed for all roads except motorways and where explicitly
stated, that there is foot=yes access. in which case, the
footpath/sidewalk/pavement is therefore part of the way which represents
the
2008/8/25 Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I think that is the key here. The illogical use of 'unclassified' in the UK is
what causes the problem. So 'service' was added as a designation for a small
road that would probably be 'unclassified' in the rest of the world.
We then add 'public' or
while we're on the subject of convoluted tagging schemes for highways,
i've always been intrigued by the following combinations, which seem
to mean the same thing, but are clearly different:
highway=footway
cycle=yes
highway=cycleway
foot=yes
is there any difference between these two?
is this
be a part of the way marking the road,
not offset to one side
2008/8/25 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2008/8/25 Kevin Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
or, consider from the pedestrian's point-of-view:
it is assumed for all roads except motorways and where explicitly
stated, that there is foot=yes
2008/8/26 Charlie Echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The best way to manage this would be to create generic tags with possibly
slightly different meanings in different countries (we have different speed
limits in different countries...) This has been managed with primary /
secondary / tertiary, which
2008/8/24 Inge Wallin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
i've been using service roads for a variety of small, relatively
insignificant roads, such as alleyways between buildings, driveways to
stately homes, roads around school/university/hospital campuses and so
on, but something else recently has made
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Andy Allan wrote:
There's a dozen other pages (Neat Stuff is one) that have a very
similar purpose - maybe you could find them and combine them all.
I think the Wikipedia guys have various kinds of cleanup drives every
now and then. I remember there was a no new
Rory McCann wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone who thinks that the tag should be on a node which is
i've been using service roads for a variety of small, relatively
insignificant roads, such as alleyways between buildings, driveways to
stately homes, roads around school/university/hospital campuses and so
on, but something else recently has made me wonder whether to use it
more: in auckland,
is there a problem with maplint on the front page map of osm? i
selected it in the popout box and nothing came up, it hasn't worked
for a few days now. i know i was zoomed out far enough, it was zoom 13
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Richard Weait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have a look at my draft for Elevation and Height tools for OSM. Please
help me improve it.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Elevation_and_height
I don't really understand what you're
2008/8/13 elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Those of you with mobile phones (especially if they have built-in GPS or you
also have a Bluetooth GPS) may be interested to know I have just released
the latest version (1.2.5) of my mobile open maps (mom) application. More
details at the website or
Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
I would like to to see error reports from OpenStreetBugs as an overlay layer
in
OSM main map just like Maplint errors. Could it be possible? Even better if
error reports could also be done from the main page either by integrating
OpenStreetBugs into it or by making
Mikel Maron wrote:
For the last year a board member of the OSM Foundation. I'm running for
re-election.
My focus this year would be
* Spreading OSM to new parts of the world. Developing nations have
the most to benefit from near zero-cost digital mapping.
* And increase
2008/8/6 Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Karl Newman wrote:
Sounds like you're looking for this:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Segmented_
Tag
Segmented tags doesn't solve data duplication for dual carriage ways, or
a set of roads with
2008/8/2 David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've been doing it as leisure=park too. Why? Because I suggested
landuse=grass soon after I started mapping a couple of years ago for
exactly the bits between houses where you might otherwise expect houses
to be, large traffic islands etc, but I was met
2008/6/28 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Oh, and BTW and another question: Why can't a police-station cover an
entire area, but is restricted to a single node?
this is probably just the presets in potlatch - they don't reflect all
the possible combinations at the moment
If you want to map
2008/6/24 SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So it would be nice if we could tag how things sound as well as what
they're called. GPS devices are starting to try (badly) at speaking
out the names of things.
Now there are some ways of marking this up already, but they look
awful and require a degree
2008/6/24 Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Quick question: How do you tag individual graves
(either part of a cemetery, or not)?
Several cemeteries around here have graves of historic persons; it'd make
sense to tag them, if for no other reason than the fact that that the signs
leading to
2008/6/14 X [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello
I just made a tiny tool for fun :
http://gpsrevolution.blogspot.com/2008/06/openstreetbugs-eng.html
That's not a big thing but I found it useful.
Feel free to use it.
one thing that would be very useful xav - rather than having 'del
mark', an option to
2008/6/17 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
El Lunes, 16 de Junio de 2008, Inge Wallin escribió:
A node that is at the end of a way can have the tag highway=turning_circle.
This means that there is room for a car to turn at the end of that way.
Isn't that the same as a cul-de-sac?
2008/6/15 Susanna Björverud [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
AFAICT the keys bridge and tunnel do currently not assume any default value
for layer apart from the normal layer=0 that holds for all objects. While it
of course is necessary to be able to specify the layer for both of these
keys, it also
2008/6/13 Nicholas Vetrovec [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Template:Proposal_Page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposal_Page_test
looks good - certainly saves time, and hopefully incites people to
include all the information they can - some proposals are
i'm thinking of giving a talk at my local LUG in the near future on
OSM - we could do with some extra mappers in the area, and any extra
OSM publicity is always useful
any advice or suggestions on things to include/exclude, focus on, etc?
i've had a quick look at some of the lectures in svn which
i'm mapping a stadium, that is multi-use - depending on the time of
year, it gets used for cricket or rugby. is there any way to tag this
once, and have the rendering change at the appropriate time of year,
from one to the other?
will using the date_on and date_off tags work in this way, or are
2008/6/1 Dodi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
on tah list similar problem and possible solution was shortly discussed here
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tilesathome/2008-May/002176.html
Dodi
looks useful, will it be implemented?
since then, i've seen a few other things crop up:
i've noticed a few changes recently to the output from osmarender, i'm
guessing the the rules have been changed. there's also been a few odd
things happening though, including:
http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.87498lon=174.74479zoom=17layers=0B0FF
i saw this today on the openmoko list, not sure why it wasn't
announced here as well:
http://www.openrouteservice.org/
it's a point and click routing service, using OSM data, pretty similar
to google maps. nice interface, and pretty quick to come up with an
answer
the kicker for me is it allows
2008/5/30 Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This is another Potlatch grumble - but it's not really Potlatch, it's the
internet.
I just found a whole lot (really, a lot) of overlapping ways with some
really old data (Potlatch alpha before) buried under new versions from
Potlatch v0.6a 0.8 -
i've got a situation come up, that i'm not sure how to map:
http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.9241lon=174.77611zoom=17layers=0B0FF
this shows a park which is near the coast. it includes an area of
water linked, by a man-made tunnel, to the ocean, wholly contained
with in the park. previously, it
2008/5/22 Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Alex Mauer wrote:
As noted on the talk page, the vote is still open since it has not been
open for the requisite 2 weeks. Voting is apparently now on the talk page.
The rules for a vote being approved are 15 Yeses, or a unanimous vote
of 6 or
2008/5/8 maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Please check out Andy's Cycle Map:
http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/
yeah, i had a look at that first; i should have said i was after
worldwide coverage or at least nz. unfortunately, i don't live in
western europe
2008/5/8 David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It really, really doesn't matter what the names of tags are for how the
system works. They might as well be wibble=wobble for the difference it
makes. They are useful as memory joggers, but really no more. So long as
the meaning is understood (i.e.
Erik Johansson wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that golf course proposal looks a way off being complete, maybe wait
till it is resolved and passes through voting? or join in the
discussion and make some suggestions yourself
Why wait, if you
Erik Johansson wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that golf course proposal looks a way off being complete, maybe wait
till it is resolved and passes through voting? or join in the
discussion and make some suggestions yourself
Why wait, if you
Erik Johansson wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that golf course proposal looks a way off being complete, maybe wait
till it is resolved and passes through voting? or join in the
discussion and make some suggestions yourself
Why wait, if you
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