A month ago, we celebrated the news that OSM now has approval to use the
PSMA Administrative Boundaries and there was some discussion, including
the need for a proper import process. I am willing to start adding some
boundaries in areas with which I am familiar/interested but I am waiting
for
Permission to include the PSMA Boundaries in OSM is great news.
In regard to questions and comments from other mappers:
- I find the current boundaries in NSW and SA to be useful i.e. include
LGA and suburb/locality. However, electoral boundaries including
local government wards seem very
I've already communicated separately but reiterated here for the list:
As CAPAD is permitted source of data, we should reproduce this data,
including names, as it appears in the source. Of course, if we have
multiple permitted sources with differing data, then we may need to
ascertain which is
In New South Wales, the Geographic Names Board register shows the Sydney
suburb Mount Druitt (no abbreviation) while the adjacent suburb is St
Marys (always St and never Saint). The same applies to places named St
Peters and St Leonards. Using the word "Saint" would not accord with the
places'
I am struggling with how to use "ephemeral" rather than the "intermittent" tag,
particularly when it comes to on-the-ground verification.
I have travelled in some rural and outback areas in western NSW and Queensland
and, to a lesser extent, in South Australia. I also regularly look at
Where there is conflicting information, it is good to go back to
sources. In this instance, it might be prudent to contact the mapper
and ask for the source of the data for this edit.
Currently, this particular contribution appears to have no disclosed
source. In such a case (and unless the
be very happy if you can get a waiver signed.
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> On 28 April 2018 at 21:08, cleary <o...@97k.com> wrote:
>> __
>> ... PSMA has been licensed to use the data under a CC licence...
>
> Are you sure? Honest questi
I agree with most of what Andrew says. However I offer a couple
of comments:
1. In regard to PSMA Admin Boundaries, it is my understanding that PSMA
cannot grant a licence waiver as it is not the copyright holder.
PSMA has been licensed to use the data under a CC licence. However,
as
I think it is worthwhile to correct any errors/discrepancies and agree they
will probably need to be done on a place-by-place basis.
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I am no expert on mapping lanes and I defer to those with better
knowledge. However common sense suggests to me that vehicles are able to
move between lanes, whether into other lanes for vehicles travelling in
the same direction or overtaking in a lane normally used for traffic in
the oppisite
I agree that it would be useful to map deserts. The boundaries may be inexact
and landcover is quite variable but they are geographic regions that users may
occasionally search for, and they are major features of inland Australia.
However I don't yet know of a source we could use.
On Wed,
agreement that this is an appropriate tag
to be added to nature protected areas, then I would be happy to use it
that way.
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
>
>
> On 07/12/17 10:54, cleary wrote:
> > Protected areas will be rendered on the map if the tag
> > &q
There are long-standing problems in relation to the rendering of
protected areas in OpenStreetMap. This is not surprising as there many
protection classes (there is provision for up to 99) including
nature-protected, resources-protected and social-protected areas.
Presumably various types of
That's good to get the copyright issue fixed.
However, as I noted in a previous post, I have reservations about GNB
data. Co-ordinates are often incorrect, sometimes by kilometres (even
showing a couple of NSW locations as being across state border in
Victoria) whereas the NSW LPI Map seems to
I draw a parallel with other amenities. Some cafes are licensed to sell
limited alcohol but that does not make them pubs; and some pubs serve
coffee but that does not make them cafes. And both cafes and pubs
often serve food. While there can be overlap in services provided by
amenities, map
OSM Inspector is useful but sometimes it shows errors where none exist.
I think some "errors" might be better left alone. OSM Inspector is great
but it is not perfect. But it is good that you have looked carefully at
the "errors" in case there were problems to be rectified.
On Fri, Apr 14,
The United States federal government model is recommended for adoption
by Australian Commonwealth, State and Territory governments so that all
published government data is entirely in the public domain and is
offered free and without restriction.
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A few months ago, I wrote to the Department of Prime Minister and
Cabinet seeking access to datasets published by data.gov.au including
the PSMA Administrative Boundaries. The response was that "due to the
large number of datasets on data.gov.au and, in some instances,
obligations on the
Your approach looks good to me.
In regard to tags : I understand that the intent of the IUCN categories
is that class I areas are generally reserved for scientific and research
purposes or very limited visitation by non-scientific personnel.
However, in some places including South Australia, some
It's good to get access to that additional data and will improve the
map.
I would prefer incremental additions, that is one-by-one, after checking
what is already on the map.
My major concern with any mass import is the effect on existing data. In
particular where a new way is overlaid on an
legal-talk.
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Dear Sir
Thank you for your letter of 21 November 2016 regarding the publishing
of gover
I have a different view about whether the unincorporated areas actually
exist. They have defined boundaries and names, both assigned by the
respective State governments, and included in the LGA datasets. I have
seen the boundaries signposted when travelling in rural areas of both
NSW and SA and
t;.
On Sat, Dec 24, 2016, at 05:38 PM, Warin wrote:
> On 24-Dec-16 04:40 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
>> On 23/12/16 09:50, cleary wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest a simple one-word change in the wiki so that Level 6
>>>
undary has "administrative counties
> / Unitary authorities[1], City of London"
>
> And the wiki on Unitary authorities[2] says in part "type of local
> authority that has a single tier and is responsible for all local
> government[3] functions within its area&
I have been adding administrative boundaries in NSW and SA using the
Government data for which OSM has been given explicit permission. I am
currently working on the "Pastoral Unincorporated Area" in SA and
another mapper commented that it was inappropriate. I responded but my
response appears not
Use your favourite search engine to search for the many articles about
copyright in the yellow and white pages. You will find articles such as
http://www.mondaq.com/australia/x/95894/Copyright/Copyright+in+Databases+No+Copyright+in+White+and+Yellow+Pages
The Federal Court of Australia ruled
It is the way bureaucrats say no. They are saying "These are the terms
under which you can use it and it's up to you to comply." (Which
unfortunately we can't.)
That's sort of response I got when I first tried to get permission to
use LPI data in NSW. I got quite frustrated by the bureaucrats
There was a similar recent issue for which the errant code had been
reverted. But apparently the reverted code has not yet been rolled out
to servers. I presume this will happen soon and should then be OK.
Thanks to those who offered suggestions.
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 05:14 PM, cleary
I have noticed errors in rendering names of administrative boundaries on
the OSM website map. It is not just Australian boundaries. For example
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/48.99957/-110.00728shows Canada
and United States on the reverse sides of their shared boundary.
I had
Recently I updated some information in OSM using data from South
Australian Suburb Boundaries and Conservation Reserve Boundaries but I
had inadvertently failed to note that the recent data was provided under
a CC-BY-4.0 licence that was not covered by the explicit permission we
had been granted
wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I have noticed there are two relations with similar areas and both
> tagged landuse=forest. Relation 5929494 created by down12under
> changeset 37053382 2/7/16 source given as 'aerial imagery', later
> edited by cleary and TheSwavu.
>
> Relation 592
icence.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> Am 11.07.2016 um 11:45 schrieb Andrew Davidson:
> > Is the problem CC 4.0 or is it the riders that have been added? I'm
> > just wondering if this is a general problem with the other data sets
> > on data.gov.au.
> >
> >
, 2016, at 07:45 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> Is the problem CC 4.0 or is it the riders that have been added? I'm just
> wondering if this is a general problem with the other data sets on
> data.gov.au.
>
> On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:
> > Feedback from the legal-talk l
t in a not insignificant
> level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future.
>
> On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote:
> >
> > On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:
> >> Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
> >> o
Reuben. Thanks for your response and clarification. Hopefully your
request to Queensland Government Department will be fruitful.
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016, at 04:18 PM, Reuben wrote:
>
> On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:
> > Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from th
lines from the Contributors page
of the wiki?
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 11:15 AM, cleary wrote:
>
> The issue of using the Australian PSMA Administrative Boundaries in OSM
> was discussed in both talk-au and legal-talk lists. Subsequently I
> submitted a request to the Spatial Unit
s rights to use the material and does not impact
OpenStreetMap's licence.
I trust this information has been of assistance.
Kind regards,
Spatial Policy team
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From: cleary [mailto:o...@97k.com]
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To: Spatial
Subject: Permission f
s rights to use the material and does not impact
OpenStreetMap's licence.
I trust this information has been of assistance.
Kind regards,
Spatial Policy team
-Original Message-
From: cleary [mailto:o...@97k.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 6:08 PM
To: Spatial
Subject: Permission f
I don't have the knowledge to run scripts safely, so it would be good if
you could do this. Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016, at 09:34 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> On 5 Jul 2016 8:26 PM, "cleary" <o...@97k.com> wrote:
> > I have been looking at some Sou
I have been looking at some South Australian administrative boundaries.
The South Australia / Western Australia border is a bit messy and I was
looking to see it I could sort it out. I realised that some of the data
is part of the recently reported illegal imports of WA data - includes
some LGA
NSW ones is that bringing them in
> manually is a massive PITA.
>
> On 26/06/16 10:11, cleary wrote:
> > Thanks to Simon and Andrew for your responses which I now understand.
> > Can I now follow-on and request clarification about other data from
> > data.gov.au - for ex
atasets are touchy and not import/use them (and lift
> the additional terms for the remaining datasets).
> Simon
>
> Am 28.06.2016 um 08:54 schrieb cleary:
>> After brief discussion on the talk-au list, advice is requested from
>> the legal-talk list. The PSMA Admin Bound
After brief discussion on the talk-au list, advice is requested from the
legal-talk list.
The PSMA Admin Boundaries Data is released by the Australian Government
at https://data.gov.au/dataset/psma-administrative-boundariesIt is
provided under CC-BY-4.0 licence with a condition relating to
Australia to start with is likely not going to
> help a lot.
> Simon
> Am 25.06.2016 um 05:35 schrieb cleary:
>> I'm sorry that I'm slow in picking up an old thread from about six
>> months ago but I remain uncertain about the implications.
>>
>> As I understand the situ
I'm sorry that I'm slow in picking up an old thread from about six
months ago but I remain uncertain about the implications.
As I understand the situation, the licence that accompanies the GNAF
(address) data from data.gov.au is not itself adequate for OSM. However
the data it is covered by the
Yes, Seems appropriate to revert these changes.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 06:48 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> On 24 June 2016 at 17:52, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Last Changeset: 40207793 looks to be removing the tag source=nearmap
>
> All their latest "FIX SOURCES" are like that and
a further thought, I am a little averse to using post offices as a
guide. While would have been useful in the past, they are being closed
and merged at a rapid rate and may almost disappear in the future.
Do my thoughts help at all?
On Sat, May 14, 2016, at 02:30 PM, Warin wrote:
> On
I agree that there is a need to improve our classification of places.
However I think that taking population as the sole criterion will create
more discrepancies than we have already.
For example, I live in a Sydney suburb that has a population greater
than the gazetted "state suburb" of
>From what you have written, I think you are probably right to change
classificaiton of Quobba Station to village rather than town.
In regard to smaller rural centres, I have also been wondering about
classifications. In South Australia, some rural properties constitute
their own official
I think that "refreshing" the Geographic Names Board (GNB) placenames
would be unhelpful.
If you read the contributors page in the wiki, it is unclear that
appropriate permission was ever obtained to use the GNB data. It seemed
to me that the particular contributor was relying on a generalised
Nev
I have added some of those boundaries. Where the administrative boundary
and the national park boundary share exactly the same way, I have used
that single way and included it in two separate relations, one for the
administrative area and the other for the national park. If the admin
Mark, I have also noticed this. In some cases, the LPI Map has an old
name that has been changed by the local shire council but it has not
been updated on the LPI Map. In some cases where there is a seriously
different name already in OSM, I found that seriously different name was
usually wrong
Warin This is the part of NSW with which I am least familiar but I can't
work out what it is that is being mapped. I couldn't see any relation
between Bing imagery and the tracings in your polygon. If it is actually
the area above the tree-line, then I don't have a problem with it
although perhaps
I have been adding administrative boundaries (some suburban boundaries,
Local Government Areas, State Forests and National Parks) using LPI NSW
data, including areas along state and territory borders. The NSW
boundaries as shown by LPI data are close but not exactly the same as
existing
In most cases I add a relation as there are often shared boundaries or
multiple parts to the conservation area. My most recent addition was
today. The tags I used for the relation were;
type=boundary
boundary=protected_area
protect_class=4
name=Livingstone State Conservation Area
source=LPI NSW
While undertaking various edits, I have notice multiple railway stations
with the words "Closed" or "Abandoned" or "Grain Only" as part of the
names.
I have changed some of these so that those words are removed from the
names and have added other tags to reflect the closed or abandoned
status.
That looks good, subject to being permitted to use the name of the stop.
Also need to add a source tag such as source=survey
In regard to name of stop, I’m not from Brisbane so I don’t know the
local practice. If the name of the stop is signposted at the stop then
it is OK to use it. However if
Motorways can sometimes have lower speed limits than some sections of
highways and some suburban streets can be divided roads so I find it
hard to use those criteria to determine if a road is a motorway. I think
we should be guided by the RMS. If they have given it an "M"
alphanumeric
ven within the LPI
datasets there may be data that we do not wish to use. This may also
be good reason that source tags for individual data items include not
just "LPI NSW" but indicate the particular dataset relied upon.
I am interested if anyone has other thoughts on these points.
I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land and Property Information
NSW.
I have added the appropriate attribution in the Contributors page of the
wiki under New South Wales Government data and it includes a link
("explicit
t; Nathanael Coyne www.purecaffeine.com[1]
> Canberra, Australia 0431 698 580
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> On 6 December 2015 at 09:12, cleary <o...@97k.com> wrote:
>>
>>
I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
>>
OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land
I prefer
state=Queensland
state_code=QLD
country=Australia
country_code=AU
which I understand is consistent with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in
While there is scope for abbreviations in certain special identified
categories, the norm remains that names written in full. It seems
Thanks
I had missed that reference in the wiki re addr:country
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I am an intermittent user of dirt roads and I support this proposal as the
best way forward.
Michael Cleary
On 24 November 2012 15:59, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
OK, time I decided we don't really have any prospect of changing
approved tags to address the dirt road
On Wed, 27 May 2009 16:54:35 GMT
mike.oni...@juno.com mike.oni...@juno.com wrote:
Does anyone know what geophysical data collection is planned as part
of the 2010 census? It seems like with an actual enumeration
required, the census workers could get a coordinate for each address
they visit
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:01:59 -0500
Matthew Schneider mlschnei...@bucketofbolts.net wrote:
I know some of my friends in Northern Minnesota are wacky, but roads
in the middle of a lake? I didn't know we'd started mapping seasonal
ice roads. Looks like a TIGER mix-up.
. The tagging will never
be perfect, the world is too complex to ever fall into a few neat
categories, so we make it do the best we can and then go for it.
Just my 0.02 worth! (Or whatever its worth today ;-)
Doug Morrison-Cleary
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