Re: [Talk-it] ASSEGNAZIONE NOMI SENTIERI e RELAZIONI

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 11. Oct 2017, at 00:01,   wrote:
> 
> Espressamente: è corretto indicare nel TAG NOME questa nomenclatura: 
> [nomegestore] [nome/numero sentiero] [Provincia se il gestore è CAI] ?


nel tag “name” ci va soltanto un nome, e se non esiste un nome va messo niente. 
Il gestore va nel tag “operator”, il numero nel tag “ref”.

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Parco fluviale Po e Orba

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 10. Oct 2017, at 22:52, Dario Crespi  wrote:
> 
> Credo non sia corretto, ma preferisco prima chiedere qui: non andrebbe messo 
> tutto sotto un'unica relazione?


il nome non dovrebbe contenere “(parte)”, questo potrebbe stare in un tag 
“note”. Non conosco la motivazione per avere più di un oggetto per il parco, ma 
penso che tu abbi ragione, dovrebbe essere un unico oggetto, preferibilmente.

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Re: [OSM-co] Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 111, Envío 2

[Andres Gomez Casanova]

Hola de nuevo Jorge

En general las abreviaciones no son buenas a nivel de datos / bases de datos. 
Teniendo presente que OpenStreetMap es un gran conjunto de datos, estos deben 
ser los más puros y simples posibles.

Revisando el Wiki, en general no se recomiendan las abreviaciones, ya que esta 
operación puede ser realizada por una máquina. Un algoritmo puede convertir 
Carrera a Kr, Calle a Cl, Avenida a Av, fácilmente.
Además, escribir Carrera en un campo y Kr en otro, es en cierta forma 
redundancia de datos, y no está ofreciendo más información, sino diferentes 
formas de escribir lo mismo.
Con respecto a eso la sección Names del Wiki indica que no se debe usar 
abreviaciones: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29 


Si el sistema de abreviaciones es para un mecanismo como Nominatim, este tiene 
unas tablas de correspondencia entre las posibles abreviaturas y sus valores. 
Aquí se ven algunas de estas 
tablas:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name_finder:Abbreviations 

Si vas a crear un sistema que use los datos de OSM, entonces debes tener algo 
similar, en vez de introducir más datos.

Viendo un hilo de discusión de OSM en GitHub, veo que lonvia escribe lo 
siguiente sobre short_name:
short_name should be a recognizable, commonly used short version of the name, 
not a nick name (use alt_name for that) and not an abbreviation (might go into 
ref, although that's a stretch, too) and it should certainly be correct
Ahí se indica que ese tag no debe ser usado para abreviaciones.

Finalmente, si se considerara aceptar esa abreviación, sería necesario cambiar 
muchos datos en OSM. Algunos casos puede llegar a entrar en colisión frente a 
algún uso que le hayan dado ya a short_name y sería aún más complicado. También 
hay que decir que no es intuitivo poner el nombre corto como abreviatura, por 
lo que las nuevas calles mapeadas tampoco tendrían el estándar.

Por ejemplo, para mi la Carrera 30 (name) es el nombre normal, el oficial es 
Avenida Quito (oficial_name) y el corto es la NQS (short_name)
Tomando Carrera 30 se puede convertir a KR 30 fácilmente, sin tener que dejar 
datos redundantes en OSM.

Por todo lo anterior, no considero apropiado ese cambio, y lo que si deberíamos 
hacer es poner los nombres completos de lo que esté en abreviatura. También se 
debería eliminar cualquier tag de Addr ya que eso corresponde a direcciones y 
no a calles.

Cordialmente,



Andres Gomez
@AngocA

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Jorge Aguirre  wrote:
> 
> Buenos días compañeros en Colombia.  
> 
> Debo insistir con este tema, pues seguimos con la duda y encontrando que hay 
> quienes, de igual manera contiuan ingresando los nombres de las calles 
> abreviados.   - Les reitero mi anterior correo para el cual aun no obtuve 
> respuesta en el que se propone la utilización del "short_name": -
> 
> Pero temo que el que no se supo expresar he sido yo mismo.  El asunto es el
> siguiente:
> 
> - Los *rótulos con nombres* que se encuentran físicamente en las mismas
> calles de Bogotá en su mayoría son abreviados.  Y no solo son abreviados,
> sino utilizan letras que no aparecen en la palabra original.
> 
> Ya hemos encontrado que en algunos casos éstos nombres en su forma
> abreviada han sido ingresados a la base de datos como *addr:street*, lo que
> por definición no tiene validez (y debiera incluso ser eliminado).
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id=392536678#map=17/4.73042/-74.03803
>  
> 
> 
> Sin embargo, debido a que el nombre en su forma corta es lo que predomina
> en los rótulos, queremos sugerir utilizar estos como *short_name* (que he
> encontrado más se adecua), además del nombre completo, e ingresarlos así,
> tal y como aparecen en los rótulos.  Creo que esto no afecta los parámetros
> globales de OSM y que puede ser utilizado específicamente en el territorio
> Colombiano, dada la forma de escritura adoptada.
> 
> Estas formas cortas de nombrar las calles pueden ser lógicas para una
> persona que habla español, pero para personas de otros idiomas, que
> utilizan incluso otros caracteres, todo esto puede ser muy confuso. El
> ingreso de estas formas cortas adicional al nombre completo lo haríamos
> para ayudar a estas personas.
> 
> En conclusión, queremos ingresar los nombres completos y también éstos en
> su forma corta para que la información en general esté más completa.
> 
> Quedo nuevamente a la espera de sus comentarios, los que son muy
> importantes.
> 
> 
> Jorge Aguirre
> Geographer
> Kaart Group, LLC
> jo...@kaartgroup.com 
> +(502) 4191 1999 
> www.kaartgroup.com 
> 
> 
> “Let's make our planet great again.”
> 
> - Emmanuel 

Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Steve Singer]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:




Greetings OSM mappers;



For the benefit of background to others on the list

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1560

Is an example of the block message that was sent to a bunch of users.

(I wasn't involved in asking for or implementing the blocks or have anything 
to do with the assignment).


I haven't looked at the edits in any details but I will make a few general 
comments


1. If one user comes into OSM and makes a few changes with issues 
because of misunderstandings or inexperience fixing those changes isn't a 
big deal. Most of the time someone will just fix them without saying 
anything.  However if 30 or 300 users make lots of changes in a short amount 
of time with the same types of errors the volume present challenges.  Large 
scale edits by a bunch who are doing it as part of a course, or who are 
employed by a company to make the changes, or who are doing so as part of a 
coordinated humanitarian effort have the potential to cause problems if they 
aren't coordinated  carefully.



2. A big part of working in any open-source project particularly with OSM is 
that you need to communicate with the other contributors. Communication is a 
two way street, some people are better at it then others and it doesn't come 
naturally to everyone.  I would hope that a course that covered the 
contributing to open source projects (including open data contributions) 
covered interacting with the community. If the course only wanted to give 
students experience with the tools then editing against a test or 
development instance of OSM would be better.


The advise I would give to people new to the open source communities(and at 
times remind veterans) is believe that most people who are contributing are 
coming from a place of good intentions and to give them the benefit of the 
doubt and try to understand where they are coming from.


When contributing to an open sourced project you need to take responsibility 
(as an individual) for your contributions but that doesn't mean they need to 
be, or will be perfect. No edits are perfect but people need to be willing 
to listen to and learn from feedback from other members of the community.


Steve







I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to OSM.

There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of your 
members that is circulating
through the administration from (james2...@gmail.com).

The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here -
https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A

I understand that the students are making some small and some large mistakes 
that may not meet your OSM
data quality standards.  The students are restricted to only be mapping the 
Carleton University Campus.

I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them finish 
the assignment.  They should
be done by next week. There are 150 students.  Once the assignment is complete 
I would gladly work with you
to salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the data.

We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and 
allow for the assignment to be
completed so that the students can be assessed.

Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them we 
may be able to fix them.

Sincerely
Tracey

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Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data

Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Bernie Connors]

Tracey,

  It takes a lot of time and effort to map a university campus completely.  
Especially if you want to use the data for multi-modal routing, e.g., walking 
directions, driving directions, etc.  Small changes can completely destroy a 
carefully constructed network of streets and footpaths.  I can understand the 
local Ottawa mappers being protective of their hard work. To avoid this problem 
in the future here are some suggestions:

1.  Choose a location that is completely unmapped.  There are many locations 
around the world that are unmapped or severely under-mapped.  Novice mapping in 
these areas will not damage hours of work by dedicated OSM volunteers.  But 
care is still necessary even in under-mapped areas. We don't want to export our 
problems to another community. 
2.  Download OSM data for the City of Ottawa and have your students edit 
against a local copy of the database.  I don't know how complex it would be to 
setup editing for a local copy of the OSM data. Perhaps some other mappers can 
provide some input. 
3.  Instead of editing OSM data stick to analysis. Teach students how to 
extract statistics from the OSM database
4.  Provide better training to the students so their edits to the OSM database 
do not cause problems. 
5.  Skip OSM and do some exercises in QGIS or ArcGIS Online. 

Best regards,
Bernie. 
berniejconnors

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> On Oct 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault  wrote:
> 
> Greetings OSM mappers;
> 
> I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to OSM.
> 
> There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of 
> your members that is circulating through the administration from 
> (james2...@gmail.com).
> 
> The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here - 
> https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A
> 
> I understand that the students are making some small and some large mistakes 
> that may not meet your OSM data quality standards.  The students are 
> restricted to only be mapping the Carleton University Campus.
> 
> I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them finish 
> the assignment.  They should be done by next week. There are 150 students.  
> Once the assignment is complete I would gladly work with you to salvage the 
> data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the data.
> 
> We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and 
> allow for the assignment to be completed so that the students can be assessed.
> 
> Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them we 
> may be able to fix them.
> 
> Sincerely
> Tracey
> 
> -- 
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> Assistant Professor 
> Critical Media Studies and Big Data
> Communication Studies
> School of Journalism and Communication
> Suite 4110, River Building
> Carleton University
> 1125 Colonel By Drive
> Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
> 1-613-520-2600 x7443
> tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
> @TraceyLauriault
> Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
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Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Matthew Darwin]

Tracey,

I just want to say some of the edits are really destructive: eg entire 
streets are changed/removed (on campus and off campus).  My automated 
error checking script comparing what is in the City of Ottawa street 
list and what is in OSM caught some errors, which I spent time 
fixing.  Adding fire hydrants and trees in the middle of roads, 
tagging a street lamp as an address are other very weird things I 
found.  The students need to pay way more attention to what they are 
doing.


Less volume, more quality please!

On 2017-10-10 10:25 PM, James wrote:
1. the restriction was a login(zero minute) block to grab users 
attention after multiple attempts trying to contact: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/YueYuan/history#map=18/45.35567/-75.75291 
so once they login and view the message they can edit again


2. They have not been editing just around Carleton Campus, there 
have been students editing out on baseline and other areas of Ottawa


3. I've been trying to fix them, but at 1000+ changesets this is 
going to be a monumental task.


I'm not trying to stop your students from contributing, but when 
they simply ignore advice we try to give them to correct said 
actions(kept contributing after multiple changeset comments: they 
get an email per changeset comment) we need a higher power(admins) 
to step in so we can discuss like human beings.



On Oct 10, 2017 10:14 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" > wrote:


Greetings OSM mappers;

I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from
posting to OSM.

There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University
by one of your members that is circulating through the
administration from (james2...@gmail.com
).

The data are being contributed as part of an assignment
described here - https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A


I understand that the students are making some small and some
large mistakes that may not meet your OSM data quality
standards.  The students are restricted to only be mapping the
Carleton University Campus.

I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to
let them finish the assignment.  They should be done by next
week. There are 150 students.  Once the assignment is complete I
would gladly work with you to salvage the data, delete some
data, repair some data or wipe all of the data.

We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be
empathetic and allow for the assignment to be completed so that
the students can be assessed.

Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you
identify them we may be able to fix them.

Sincerely
Tracey

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Assistant Professor Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building Carleton University 1125 Colonel By
Drive Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443 
tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
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Re: [talk-au] The place Biniguy

[Warin]

On 09-Oct-17 06:38 PM, Warin wrote:

On 09-Oct-17 06:13 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:


On 9 October 2017 at 16:04, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


One problem is that 'locality' does not translate well.
I'd think that any admin area would have someone resident in the
area.
So tagging them OSM 'locality' may not be the best?

OSM says 'hamlet ' is less then 100-200 people. think that fits best?


But what do we do when those "few" people are spread out over a 
largish area, with no central location?


The area of Lamington in SEQ 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-28.2351/152.9940, was, I 
thought, originally a locality, but is now shown as a hamlet.


Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamington,_Queensland says that in 
2011, it had a population of 463 people, but they're spread out over 
probably 200km2, if not more?


The "heart" of Lamington consists of 2 camping grounds, 5k apart, one 
of which has a cafe / recreation centre (School camping type of 
arrangement) next door, 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-28.28710/153.03499, a handful 
of B's & farms & that's about it.


To me, it should probably be a locality as there's nothing really 
there, a hamlet, IMHO, should feature a central clump of at least 
some homes / buildings, that you can point to & say "Yep, that's 
wherever" :-)




Yep.
Tagging these area with 'place' may suit things where the population 
density is high -e.g. Europe - but does not sit well here.

These areas have no real centre.
Should one of these areas be tested by leaving out the place tag and 
see what happens?


Looking at the place key https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place

there are also non population specific places  that might suit

district?
region?
province?

These don't have good definitions on the OSMwiki.

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Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[James]

1. the restriction was a login(zero minute) block to grab users attention
after multiple attempts trying to contact:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/YueYuan/history#map=18/45.35567/-75.75291
so once they login and view the message they can edit again

2. They have not been editing just around Carleton Campus, there have been
students editing out on baseline and other areas of Ottawa

3. I've been trying to fix them, but at 1000+ changesets this is going to
be a monumental task.

I'm not trying to stop your students from contributing, but when they
simply ignore advice we try to give them to correct said actions(kept
contributing after multiple changeset comments: they get an email per
changeset comment) we need a higher power(admins) to step in so we can
discuss like human beings.


On Oct 10, 2017 10:14 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault"  wrote:

Greetings OSM mappers;

I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to
OSM.

There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of
your members that is circulating through the administration from (
james2...@gmail.com).

The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here -
https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A

I understand that the students are making some small and some large
mistakes that may not meet your OSM data quality standards.  The students
are restricted to only be mapping the Carleton University Campus.

I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them
finish the assignment.  They should be done by next week. There are 150
students.  Once the assignment is complete I would gladly work with you to
salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the
data.

We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and
allow for the assignment to be completed so that the students can be
assessed.

Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them
we may be able to fix them.

Sincerely
Tracey

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Assistant Professor
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443 <(613)%20520-2600>
tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
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[Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Greetings OSM mappers;

I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to
OSM.

There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of
your members that is circulating through the administration from (
james2...@gmail.com).

The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here -
https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A

I understand that the students are making some small and some large
mistakes that may not meet your OSM data quality standards.  The students
are restricted to only be mapping the Carleton University Campus.

I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them
finish the assignment.  They should be done by next week. There are 150
students.  Once the assignment is complete I would gladly work with you to
salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the
data.

We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and
allow for the assignment to be completed so that the students can be
assessed.

Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them
we may be able to fix them.

Sincerely
Tracey

-- 
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Assistant Professor
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443
tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
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[Talk-us] Allegheny County, PA: Building Footprints import

[GeoKitten]

I would like to propose an import of buildings in Allegheny County from
the county's open data. I'm contacting everyone because the import guidelines
require all imports to be discussed within the local community. Since neither
Pittsburgh nor Pennsylvania has much of a community where we can discuss these
issues, I put this on the US list.

The wiki page is here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Allegheny_County_Building_Import
In summary, I wish to import around 500,000 buildings in Allegheny County.
The data is good quality and I've confirmed that we're allowed to use it. I
already have a plan on how to import it: I will ask for an account on the OSM
US Tasking Manager and put it there, where the community will be free to
help add the buildings on chunk at a time. I am styling my import after some
previous imports of Microsoft building data in the South (link:
http://tasks.openstreetmap.us/project/122 ). I'm personally interested in this
project so I plan on contributing to the actual import.

Is this import a good idea? If you have any concerns, suggestions,
or improvements, I am eager to hear them. I'm a mapper local to this area but
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[Talk-it] ASSEGNAZIONE NOMI SENTIERI e RELAZIONI

[posta1]

Chiedo dettagli su una controversia in atto per quanto riguarda l'assegnazione 
dei nomi sentieri CAI e della relazione percorso escursionistico

Espressamente: è corretto indicare nel TAG NOME questa nomenclatura: 
[nomegestore] [nome/numero sentiero] [Provincia se il gestore è CAI] ?
Qualcuno dice che il TAG NOME non va indicato: è giusto?
Reputo che: 
Il nomegestore sia utile perché più gestori adottano stessi numerisentiero.
Il numerosentiero serva per ovvie ragioni.
La provincia (CAI) sia utile poiché CAI adotta stessi numeri per diverse 
provincie anche confinanti, dunque si conferirebbe una univocità ad un sentiero.

Per la relazione "percorso escursionistico" è giusto indicare nel TAG NOME la 
stessa nomenclatura indicata per la linea sentiero di cui sopra?

Grazie a tutti.

  


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[Talk-it] Parco fluviale Po e Orba

[Dario Crespi]

Ciao,

vedo che il Parco fluviale Po e Orba compare mappato a pezzetti, ciascuno
con il nome "Parco fluviale Po e Orba (parte)":
http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=parco%20fluviale%20po%20e%20orba#map=14/45.0047/8.7390

Credo non sia corretto, ma preferisco prima chiedere qui: non andrebbe
messo tutto sotto un'unica relazione?

Dario
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[Talk-it] Fire hydrant voting

[Alberto]

Segnalo che è in corso la votazione per il riordino dei tag sugli idranti [1], 
a cui molti mappatori, tra cui io ed altri vigili del fuoco di altri Paesi, 
hanno lavorato per mesi.
Purtroppo la votazione non sta andando molto bene: la maggior parte di quelli 
che sta votando contro non ha partecipato alle discussioni ed ora non capisce a 
fondo il lavoro che c'è stato dietro ed il motivo per cui siamo giunti a quello 
schema di tag.
Nonostante abbiamo cercato di giustificare nella pagina wiki le scelte fatte, 
evidentemente non siamo stati abbastanza chiari. Ecco questo è l'unico grande 
errore che possiamo aver fatto, perché in mesi di discussioni abbiamo ascoltato 
le opinioni di tutti e più volte abbiamo cambiato orientamento per ottenere uno 
schema condiviso dai partecipanti.
Consapevole che ulteriori miglioramenti possono essere fatti (infatti c'è già 
la proposta per ulteriori tag [2]), ci sembrava logico ufficializzare con 
votazione i tag fin'ora discussi, per iniziare ad usarli nelle mappe e nelle 
applicazioni specifiche, che nel mio lavoro di vigile del fuoco trovo molto 
utili.

Amareggiato dal fatto che tanti sforzi rischiano di finire in nulla, vi invito 
comunque a prendere visione della proposta e se volete a votare.
Ciao
Alberto

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant_Extensions
[2] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant_Extensions_(part_2)




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Re: [OSM-talk] Could we just pause any wikidata edits for a month or two?

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

> Maybe because these are seen as facts and not copyrightable?
>

Ignoring the issue regarding the provenance of geographic coordinates, for
other types of data (like names), it is the position of the Wikimedia
Foundation that facts are not copyrightable and therefore these can be
inputted into Wikidata which has a CC0 license.

As for the issue of the sui generis EU database rights, it is the position
of the Wikimedia Foundation that this only applies to databases created by
EU citizens/corporations/legal bodies and does not apply to databases
created outside the EU. So when importing data from databases originating
from the EU, permission needs to be obtained. See this page for more
information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Database_Rights
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Re: [Talk-de] finde.cash! - name / operator

[Harald Hartmann]

> @Nils: hast du zufällig bei dir einen germany-extrakt rumliegen und
> könntest hierzu einfach mal ein paar statistiken entwerfen (nix
> supertolles grafisches, einfach ein paar zahlen reichen [1]), z.B.
> verhältnis amenity=bank ohne atm=yes, amenity=bank mit atm=yes und
> amenity=atm
> oder eine Auflistung und Anzahl von network und operator?

Sodele, ich hab da mal was vorbereitet [1].

Wenn man nur `amenity=atm` in Deutschland betrachtet:
9.196x atm, davon
6.876x operator
2.386x name
  911x brand
  794x network

operator: ca. 1/3 ist allgemein getaggt, also Sparkasse, Volksbank,
Postank usw, dann kommt ca 1/3 was dann mit den unterschiedlichsten
Schreibweisen zu tun hat (ING DiBa, ING Diba, Ing Diba, ING DIBA, Ing
DiBa, ing Diba, ING DiBA,Ing DiBA, ING-BiBa, ING-DiBA, ING-Diba,
Ing-Diba, Ing-DiBa, ING-DIBA, ing-diba, ING-DiBa, ING-DiBa AG, usw.),
das restliche 1/3 ist dann wieder frei spezifisch ... und auch komische
Werte wie "operator=ATM/Atm" kommen da 113 mal vor...

name: ca. die Hälfte ist allgemein getaggt, also Sparkasse, Volksbank,
Postbank usw, die andere Hälfte dagegen spezifisch (also mit Ortsnamen,
etc.), häufig kommt aber natürlich auch "Geldautomat[.*]" vor...

brand: da schauts ähnlich aus wie bei operator

network: die Top 4 Werte sind die laut Wiki in der Summe mit 604 also zu 75%

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Haribo/statistics/atm

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Re: [Talk-es] contact:website erróneo en la importación de farmacias de Madrid

[Rafael Avila Coya]

Hola, Alejandro:

Bueno, en realidad yo planteé la importación como una importación manual 
y colaborativa. Creo que yo importé algunas farmacias, pero la mayoría 
lo hizo otro usuario, que ahora no recuerdo el nombre (hace ya bastante).


El cambio se puede hacer con cualquier usuario normal (son datos que 
están en OSM ya), y no hace falta publicarlo en la wiki de importación, 
aunque no está de más añadirlo a la wiki, para saberlo. No es tampoco 
ninguna edición automatizada, por mucho que afecte a alrededor de 800 
objetos (si mal no recuerdo el número).


Voy a hacer el cambio (eliminación de contact:website) y añadir la info 
a la wiki.


Un saludo,

Rafael.

On 10/10/17 13:19, Alejandro Moreno wrote:

Hola Rafa.

En principio parece que nadie tiene problema con la modificación. Veo 
que la importación la hicisteis con el usuario Uranzu_import ¿quién 
tiene la contraseña de ese usuario? Por otro lado, ¿Hay que reflejar en 
la wiki de la importación 
[https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Madrid_Pharmacies_Import ] el cambio?


El 2 de octubre de 2017, 22:06, Rafael Avila Coya > escribió:


Hola, Alejandro:

Bastaría con descargar con overpass las farmacias, y luego eliminar
el atributo de aquellas que no hayan cambiado el campo contact:website
He descargado todas las farmacias, y todas salvo una tienen el
contact:website de la importación. La única que tiene uno diferente
es contact:website="http://www.russianpost.ru
", que parece bastante sospechoso de ser
incorrecto.

Eliminar la etiqueta de todas las farmacias es trivial, pero tiene
que estar de acuerdo la comunidad OSM, especialmente la local.
Además, yo lo haría con una cuenta especial...

Un saludo,

Rafael.

On 02/10/17 17:11, Alejandro Moreno wrote:

El ayuntamiento ha debido hacer algún cambio en su web y las url
que se importaron en el campo contact:website de las farmacias
de Madrid ya no existe. ¿Sabéis si hay alguna forma automatizada
de eliminar este atributo?

Un saludo.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering kissing gates in OSM

[Dave F]

The loss of colour on tertiary roads is one area where the style has become 
less friendly in rural areas.


Indeed.
The fading of paths (even those with surface tag) makes it difficult to 
view without zooming right in, is no better


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[Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

It doesn't seem to have been mentioned here yet, but this quarter's UK
mapping project is to improve addresses and postcodes:
https://osmuk.org/uncategorized/jump-in-to-our-quarterly-mapping-project/

I've had a go at starting a wiki page for it at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2017_Q4_Project:_Addresses_and_Postcodes
which will hopefully contain some useful information. I'd encourage
others to help improve it further.

To coincide with the launch of the project I've also done a bit of
development on my previous postcode analysis tools at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/ . You can now see stats of
how many postcodes are mapped in each area, district and sector, as
well as viewing potential errors (postcodes not found in Code-Point
Open, or that are a long way from their centroid) to check/fix.

As well as just generally increasing the number of addresses and
postcodes in OSM, a couple of possible goals for the quarter would be
to ensure we've map at least one postcode in each sector (only 615 to
go), and to reduce the number of sectors with less than 5% of units
present in OSM (currently 5562).

I'd also like to draw your attention to the OSM/FHRS comparison
excellent tool at http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/ which is a
great source of addresses/postcodes of food outlets to add in areas
where some amenities are mapped but not individual houses.

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-us] Dakota County, MN

[Rihards]

On 2017.10.10. 20:47, Rihards wrote:
> On 2017.10.10. 20:41, Brian May wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> Try whodidit. http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/
>>
>> It shows who edited areas by tile and when. Default is a week, but you
>> can set different times, filter users, etc.
>>
>> I have a bookmark set to start at my home town location like:
>> http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=27.20942=-80.28027=BTT
> 
> you can also see new users in your area :
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosm.php
> it is possible to subscribe to a feed and get notified of all new users
> : https://neis-one.org/2012/07/new-contributor-feed/
> 
> for a smaller region & time (limited to one week), check out
> https://tyrasd.github.io/latest-changes
> 
> data - you can use raw openstreetmap data and get all the changes with
> it, although it might be a bit too much work.

hmm, looks like one user there is using their personal account for
imports (see changesets two days ago) :
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Omnific

it might be worth notifying them :)

>> Brian
>>
>> On 10/10/2017 12:47 PM, Joe Sapletal wrote:
>>>
>>> At work, my manager wants to explore using and contributing to OSM in
>>> a more official capacity beyond my personal Building Import project. 
>>> He has a few questions that I can handle, but there is one that is
>>> actually something that I’ve been thinking about too.  How much
>>> activity is happening in Dakota County, Minnesota?  And Where?  Is
>>> there a data or web map resource that one can map change by date?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Joe Sapletal-- 
>  Rihards-- 
 Rihards

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Re: [Talk-us] Dakota County, MN

[Rihards]

On 2017.10.10. 20:41, Brian May wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> Try whodidit. http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/
> 
> It shows who edited areas by tile and when. Default is a week, but you
> can set different times, filter users, etc.
> 
> I have a bookmark set to start at my home town location like:
> http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=27.20942=-80.28027=BTT

you can also see new users in your area :
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosm.php
it is possible to subscribe to a feed and get notified of all new users
: https://neis-one.org/2012/07/new-contributor-feed/

for a smaller region & time (limited to one week), check out
https://tyrasd.github.io/latest-changes

data - you can use raw openstreetmap data and get all the changes with
it, although it might be a bit too much work.

> Brian
> 
> On 10/10/2017 12:47 PM, Joe Sapletal wrote:
>>
>> At work, my manager wants to explore using and contributing to OSM in
>> a more official capacity beyond my personal Building Import project. 
>> He has a few questions that I can handle, but there is one that is
>> actually something that I’ve been thinking about too.  How much
>> activity is happening in Dakota County, Minnesota?  And Where?  Is
>> there a data or web map resource that one can map change by date?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe Sapletal-- 
 Rihards

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Re: [Talk-us] Dakota County, MN

[Brian May]

Joe,

Try whodidit. http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/

It shows who edited areas by tile and when. Default is a week, but you 
can set different times, filter users, etc.


I have a bookmark set to start at my home town location like: 
http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=27.20942=-80.28027=BTT


Brian

On 10/10/2017 12:47 PM, Joe Sapletal wrote:


At work, my manager wants to explore using and contributing to OSM in 
a more official capacity beyond my personal Building Import project.  
He has a few questions that I can handle, but there is one that is 
actually something that I’ve been thinking about too.  How much 
activity is happening in Dakota County, Minnesota?  And Where?  Is 
there a data or web map resource that one can map change by date?


Thanks,

Joe Sapletal



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Re: [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

[Tod Fitch]

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Shawn K. Quinn  wrote:
> 
> On 10/10/2017 10:10 AM, Tod Fitch wrote:
>> I am inclined to simply delete the name if Tiger 2017 has no name. That will 
>> do two things: 1. Make the map and routing less wrong. And 2. Allow the 
>> normal QA tools we have indicate an issue (residential road with no name).
>> 
>> Thoughts?
> 
> Change the "name" key to "fixme" if there is no fixme tag already on
> those roads.
> 

Sounds good to me.

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Re: [OSM-co] Abreviaturas

[Jorge Aguirre]

Mil gracias Carlos Andrés.

Independientemente de esta edición específica y de esa época (que tan solo
ha sido un ejemplo de muchas otras encontradas), lo que queremos definir es
la utilización del nombre abreviado y que aparezca como *short_name*,
independientemente de lo que esté o no esté "mal ingresado" de momento.

En lugar de eliminar por completo el *addr:street*, éste podría ser
cambiado a *short_name* y ser utilizado de forma correcta.

Es por esto que estoy insistiendo en este punto, pues creo que es válido
poder ingresar los nombres abreviados bajo esta definición.


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>1. Re: Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 111, Envío 2
>   (Carlos Andres Ríos-Franco)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 11:29:13 -0500
> From: Carlos Andres Ríos-Franco 
> To: OpenStreetMap Colombia 
> Subject: Re: [OSM-co] Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 111, Envío 2
> Message-ID:
>  gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Porque no te comunicas con el usuario diractamente. Es este
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/LGARS
>
> Claro que la historia de la edición "CL 151"  tiene fecha de 2010
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>
>
> *CARLOS ANDRÉS RÍOS FRANCO*
>   Administrador del Medio Ambiente
>   Especialista en Sistemas de Información Geográfica
>
>
>
> PD: Dropbox es una buena alternativa para compartir y almacenar información
> de gran tamaño. En este link (http://db.tt/52cMLevc) pueden ver como es
> por
> un video y usarlo si le gusta, personalmente creo que es muy útil. Yo estoy
> registrado como carfo...@gmail.com
>
>
> 2017-10-10 10:53 GMT-05:00 Jorge Aguirre :
>
> > Buenos días compañeros en Colombia.
> >
> > Debo insistir con este tema, pues seguimos con la duda y encontrando que
> > hay quienes, de igual manera continuan ingresando los nombres de las
> calles
> > abreviados.   - Les reitero mi anterior correo para el cual aun no obtuve
> > respuesta en el que se propone la utilización del "*short_name*": -
> >
> > Pero temo que el que no se supo expresar he sido yo mismo.  El asunto es
> el
> > siguiente:
> >
> > - Los *rótulos con nombres* que se encuentran físicamente en las mismas
> > calles de Bogotá en su mayoría son abreviados.  Y no solo son abreviados,
> > sino utilizan letras que no aparecen en la palabra original.
> >
> > Ya hemos encontrado que en algunos casos éstos nombres en su forma
> > abreviada han sido ingresados a la base de datos como *addr:street*, lo
> que
> > por definición no tiene validez (y debiera incluso ser eliminado).
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id=392536678#m
> > ap=17/4.73042/-74.03803
> >
> > Sin embargo, debido a que el nombre en su forma corta es lo que predomina
> > en los rótulos, queremos sugerir utilizar estos como **short_name** (que
> > he
> > encontrado más se adecua), además del nombre completo, e ingresarlos así,
> > tal y como aparecen en los rótulos.  Creo que esto no afecta los
> parámetros
> > globales de OSM y que puede ser utilizado específicamente en el
> territorio
> > Colombiano, dada la forma de escritura adoptada.
> >
> > Estas formas cortas de nombrar las calles pueden ser lógicas para una
> > persona que habla español, pero para personas de otros idiomas, que
> > utilizan incluso otros caracteres, todo esto puede ser muy confuso. El
> > ingreso de estas formas cortas adicional al nombre completo lo haríamos
> > para ayudar a estas personas.
> >
> > En conclusión, queremos ingresar los nombres completos y también éstos en
> > su forma corta para que la información en general esté más completa.
> >
> > Quedo nuevamente a la espera de sus comentarios, los que son muy
> > importantes.
> >
> >
> > Jorge Aguirre
> > Geographer
> > Kaart Group, LLC
> > jo...@kaartgroup.com
> > +(502) 

[Talk-us] Dakota County, MN

[Joe Sapletal]

At work, my manager wants to explore using and contributing to OSM in a more 
official capacity beyond my personal Building Import project.  He has a few 
questions that I can handle, but there is one that is actually something that 
I’ve been thinking about too.  How much activity is happening in Dakota County, 
Minnesota?  And Where?  Is there a data or web map resource that one can map 
change by date?

Thanks,

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Re: [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 10/10/2017 10:10 AM, Tod Fitch wrote:
> I am inclined to simply delete the name if Tiger 2017 has no name. That will 
> do two things: 1. Make the map and routing less wrong. And 2. Allow the 
> normal QA tools we have indicate an issue (residential road with no name).
> 
> Thoughts?

Change the "name" key to "fixme" if there is no fixme tag already on
those roads.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Meetup about rendering of maps

[joost schouppe]

I set up a repo a couple of days ago. I've now added you, Jo.

This is the URL:
https://github.com/osmbe/qgis_rendering

I use sqlite databases (which behave like files) in QGIS, and they behave
just fine.

2017-10-09 14:45 GMT+02:00 Jo :

> Yes, we can look into github on Wednesday evening. Joost, please set up a
> repo for it.
>
> OK, so with a bit of luck we have Clem to show Maperitive and Pieter to
> show QGIS for rendering.
>
> Yesterday I started watching this series:
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7HotvlLKHCs9nD1fFUjSOsZrsnctyV2R
>
> This explains it quite succinctly, but putting it into practice is still a
> challenge with QGIS. Mine crashes a lot. Now I'm thinking it would be
> better if I would involve PostGIS, instead of working with files, for a
> larger region.
>
> Somehow Maperitive was able to cope with it, but there my problem is
> automating the workflow to get consistent results.
>
> Jo
>
> 2017-10-05 11:06 GMT+02:00 Pieter Brusselman <
> pieter.brussel...@tragewegen.be>:
>
>> @Joost,
>>
>> OK, you can do that.  But I need a short intro in Github.  Maybe wendsday
>> evening?
>>
>>
>> Pieter Brusselman
>> *Cartografie ~ Projectmedewerker*
>>
>> [image: (logo boompja)] 
>>
>> *A* Kasteellaan 349
>>  A,
>> 9000 Gent
>> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
>> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>>
>> [image: logo facebook] 
>>
>> ter info: ik werk niet op vrijdag
>> Op 5/10/2017 om 10:48 schreef joost schouppe:
>>
>> Pieter,
>>
>> I could make a repository on our github page https://github.com/osmbe/
>> for a QGIS project if you're interested.
>>
>> 2017-10-05 10:22 GMT+02:00 Jo :
>>
>>> Hey, that is great news! I will also come to FOSS4G the day after our
>>> Meetup. Somebody who uses Maperitive to render maps for the GR guides will
>>> probably also join us on Wednesday evening.
>>>
>>> Jo
>>>
>>> 2017-10-05 9:33 GMT+02:00 Pieter Brusselman <
>>> pieter.brussel...@tragewegen.be>:
>>>
 Hi,

 The last year we (trage wegen vzw) made a lot of maps based on OSM-data
 using QGIS.  On octobre 26th we give a talk about this on FOSS4G.  But I
 like to come to the meeting to talk about this and sharing experience (and
 stylsheets :-))

 Grtz,
 Pieter

 Pieter Brusselman
 *Cartografie ~ Projectmedewerker*

 [image: (logo boompja)] 

 *A* Kasteellaan 349
  A,
 9000 Gent
 *T* 09 / 331 59 27
 *W *www.tragewegen.be

 [image: logo facebook] 

 ter info: ik werk niet op vrijdag
 Op 5/10/2017 om 9:11 schreef joost schouppe:

 I like to use QGIS for basic stuff. E.g. use an open layers background
 map, and some data on top of that to highlight certain details. E.g. the
 maps in this diary were made with OSM data queried from overpass and some
 open layers map: http://www.openstreetmap.
 org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/38103

 It's also relativly easy to use QGIS for rendering OSM data using a
 sqlite database (and that's easy to make within the package, based on a
 .pbf file). I don't have experience making a pretty map that way, but it
 can be quite useful to make maps highlighting specific kinds of data. E.g.
 maps like these are easy to make in QGIS: http://www.openstreetmap
 .org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/40267
 (though here the data comes from the osm-history toolchain, not just
 from a pbf file)

 I think theoretically you could use QGIS and a stylesheet to make a
 pretty map from scratch, but haven't seen an example yet. And someone has
 been working for years on doing something similar in ArcGIS, and I don't
 think he released it yet.

 2017-10-05 8:17 GMT+02:00 Jo :

> Hi,
>
> During the next Leuven Monthly OSM Meetup I would like to discuss
> rendering. I was using Maperitive in the past to create this:
>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Pad_van_
> Ad_op_OSM.png
>
> I know. I should update that map more regularly...
>
> Would it make sense to try and use QGIS for rendering? Are there other
> solutions in the mean time?
>
> Maybe somebody with more expertise in this would like to come and give
> a demo?
>
> Jo
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Re: [OSM-co] Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 111, Envío 2

[Jorge Aguirre]

Buenos días compañeros en Colombia.

Debo insistir con este tema, pues seguimos con la duda y encontrando que
hay quienes, de igual manera contiuan ingresando los nombres de las calles
abreviados.   - Les reitero mi anterior correo para el cual aun no obtuve
respuesta en el que se propone la utilización del "*short_name*": -

Pero temo que el que no se supo expresar he sido yo mismo.  El asunto es el
siguiente:

- Los *rótulos con nombres* que se encuentran físicamente en las mismas
calles de Bogotá en su mayoría son abreviados.  Y no solo son abreviados,
sino utilizan letras que no aparecen en la palabra original.

Ya hemos encontrado que en algunos casos éstos nombres en su forma
abreviada han sido ingresados a la base de datos como *addr:street*, lo que
por definición no tiene validez (y debiera incluso ser eliminado).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id=392536678#
map=17/4.73042/-74.03803

Sin embargo, debido a que el nombre en su forma corta es lo que predomina
en los rótulos, queremos sugerir utilizar estos como **short_name** (que he
encontrado más se adecua), además del nombre completo, e ingresarlos así,
tal y como aparecen en los rótulos.  Creo que esto no afecta los parámetros
globales de OSM y que puede ser utilizado específicamente en el territorio
Colombiano, dada la forma de escritura adoptada.

Estas formas cortas de nombrar las calles pueden ser lógicas para una
persona que habla español, pero para personas de otros idiomas, que
utilizan incluso otros caracteres, todo esto puede ser muy confuso. El
ingreso de estas formas cortas adicional al nombre completo lo haríamos
para ayudar a estas personas.

En conclusión, queremos ingresar los nombres completos y también éstos en
su forma corta para que la información en general esté más completa.

Quedo nuevamente a la espera de sus comentarios, los que son muy
importantes.


Jorge Aguirre
Geographer
Kaart Group, LLC
jo...@kaartgroup.com
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> sitio, según OSM.  Estamos totalmente de acuerdo en que los nombres de las
> calles deben ser ingresados *sin abreviaturas* en la casilla de* name:*.
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Re: [Talk-de] finde.cash! - name / operator

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 10. Oktober 2017 um 17:07 schrieb Harald Hartmann <
osm-talk...@haraldhartmann.de>:

> schön wärs, habe prompt letzte Woche auf dem ländlichen Land gleich zwei
> Bankfilialen gefunden, die gar keinen Geldautomaten mehr hatten...
>
>

die hatten dann ja hoffentlich auch kein atm=yes (darauf war das bezogen).



> > Weltweit sind wir derzeit bei 138 542 atm=yes (davon 11,1% nicht an einer
> > Bank) und 131 779 amenity=atm.
>
> möchte ich wissen, was das für ca. 14.000 Objekte sind, an denen ein
> atm=yes aber ungleich Bank hängt?
>
>

dass sind vermutlich Postfilialen (wobei man sich das mal überlegen kann,
ob man Postbank-filialen nicht auch zusätzlich als Bank mappt? Wobei das
beides amenity ist.). Auch Spätkaufs, Tankstellen, U-Bahnstationen und
Supermärkte (wegen ihrer Ausgedehntheit macht da das Attribut kaum Sinn),
etc. haben gelegentlich Geldautomaten.



Ich selbst habe übrigens folgende Taggingpraxis:

...
> 2. Irgendein Gebäude mit Bankfiliale (und Geldautomat)
> - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2882851538
> amenity=bank mit atm=yes, am entsprechenden Eingangsnode,
> und ja, da hätte ich dann schon wieder Probleme eventuell
> unterschiedliche Öffnungszeiten zu taggen, weil dort entsteht im Moment
> der Eindruck, der Geldautomat hätte Öffnungszeiten...
>


ja, dieses Mappen von Dingen am Eingangsnode hat ein paar Probleme, von
daher finde ich das nicht so empfehlenswert (insbesondere sind 2 Dinge, der
Eingang und das Geschäft/die Bank in einem Objekt "verschmolzen", das
erfordert grundsätzlich eine Interpretation welche tags wohin gehören
sollen). Um dem Geldautomaten 24/7 Öffnungszeiten (oder wären das
vielleicht eher service_times?) dem geben solltest Du m.E. hier einen node
für den Automaten extra machen (sofern Du weisst, wo er ist).

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

[Andrew Matheny]

Just a heads up for everybody-

I'll handle the redactions in the Dallas-Fort Worth area of Texas (Collin,
Dallas, Denton, Ellis, Tarrant, Johnson, and Wise Counties)

Thanks,

Andrew Matheny

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Max Erickson  wrote:

> I reviewed about 40 ways in New York. Here's an Overpass script for
> finding the ways that have not been changed since the redaction:
>
> https://gist.github.com/maxerickson/e02651cce99af983949b91f8d471fb23
>
> The ways are clustered quite a lot.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

[Tod Fitch]

I have started trying to clean up some of the redactions in Arizona, starting 
with the town of Maricopa. As Ian pointed out, these were “pre-redacted” and 
rather than deleting the road name, the name was changed to 
chdr_USA_AZ_name_fixup_required.

The problem is there are some roads that do not have names on the Tiger 2017 
overlay. At this time I have left those untouched.

My worry is that there does not seem to be a lot of local mappers working in 
the area so it may be a while before the remaining 
name=chdr_USA_AZ_name_fixup_required roads get fixed. In the meantime data 
consumers will be giving confusing information to end users. I can see (or 
mentally hear) lots of routing guidance with “turn right at churdr usa az name 
fixup required”.

I am inclined to simply delete the name if Tiger 2017 has no name. That will do 
two things: 1. Make the map and routing less wrong. And 2. Allow the normal QA 
tools we have indicate an issue (residential road with no name).

Thoughts?

Tod

> On Oct 9, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Ian McEwen  wrote:
> 
> AZ has none because of https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/51502902
> rather than an actual absence of things to fix from this (that changeset
> essentially pre-redacted the names, so they no longor appear in
> Frederick's list of redactions). I've fixed those I could find in the
> Tucson & Pima County areas, but there's still lots to be gone over in
> AZ.
> 
> Just mentioning this so if anyone's doing anything like tasking manager
> work, they'll know they need to special-case AZ.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 09:21:59AM -0700, Tod Fitch wrote:
>> FYI,
>> 
>> No redactions in Oregon, Arizona or Utah. I’ve added Tiger 2017 names to the 
>> ways in the list located in California and Nevada. Later today I’ll do New 
>> Mexico and Colorado.
>> 
>> I’ve got to restrain myself from correcting geometry, adding surface, lanes, 
>> turn lanes, etc. while I do this. :)
>> 
>> Tod
>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Tod Fitch  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like there are about 6600 redactions in the US. Did a quick sort of 
>>> the list by country and state and it looks like Texas has the most (by 
>>> eyeing the list rather than counting). Most states have a very manageable 
>>> number. There were about 42 in California and I was able to apply Tiger 
>>> 2017 names to 38 of those. Most states will be that easy.
>>> 
>>> All I did was take the list, extract out the ones for California, do a edit 
>>> to add "https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/“ in front of the way ID and then 
>>> do a “Load Location” in JOSM for each. Looked at them with the Tiger 2017 
>>> overlay imagery to see if there was a name I could apply. Took maybe 1/2 
>>> hour to do all of California.
>>> 
>>> Not sure this is a big enough job to bother putting up a OSM task for it. 
>>> Just grab the way IDs in your state, and maybe in your neighboring 
>>> state(s), and do it.
>>> 
>>> Texas and maybe New York will require more work, so maybe those could be 
>>> broken into tasks. But for the rest I think it would pretty much be “one 
>>> state is one task”.
>>> 
 On Oct 8, 2017, at 3:28 AM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
 
 Can someone put up an OSM task so that we can replace these names , from 
 Tiger 2017?
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Re: [Talk-de] finde.cash! - name / operator

[Harald Hartmann]

>> Danke für den Hinweis, den man genauer betrachten sollte:
>> der Geldautomat wird häufig ja gar nicht alleine/eigenständig, sondern
>> als atm=yes zusammen mit einer Bank erfasst ...
> 
> ja, wobei man da auf dem Standpunkt stehen kann, dass er gar nicht
> (explizit) erfasst ist, sondern nur indirekt auf ihn geschlossen werden
> kann, weil man über die Bank  (bzw. das Objekt wie Laden Post, etc.) weiss,
> dass sie irgendwo einen atm hat.
> 

schön wärs, habe prompt letzte Woche auf dem ländlichen Land gleich zwei
Bankfilialen gefunden, die gar keinen Geldautomaten mehr hatten...

>> und man bei dieser Kombination die Werte für name und operator 
>> (und evtl. brand und network) vielleicht anders/genauer setzt, 
>> als wenn man nur denGeldautomaten taggt
> 
> atm=yes schließt auch nicht unbedingt aus, dass man zusätzlich einen (oder
> mehrere) Geldautomaten explizit mappt, damit sagt man nur, diese Bank hat
> einen atm.
> 

und wo wir dann in meinem Beispiel wohl bei einem berechtigen atm=no wären

> Weltweit sind wir derzeit bei 138 542 atm=yes (davon 11,1% nicht an einer
> Bank) und 131 779 amenity=atm.

möchte ich wissen, was das für ca. 14.000 Objekte sind, an denen ein
atm=yes aber ungleich Bank hängt?

Ich selbst habe übrigens folgende Taggingpraxis:
1. Reines Bankgebäude mit Geldautomaten im 24/7 Zugangsbereich:
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272770913 (nicht auf finde.cash?)
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2852777280
amenity=bank und amenity=atm getrennt

2. Irgendein Gebäude mit Bankfiliale (und Geldautomat)
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2882851538
amenity=bank mit atm=yes, am entsprechenden Eingangsnode,
und ja, da hätte ich dann schon wieder Probleme eventuell
unterschiedliche Öffnungszeiten zu taggen, weil dort entsteht im Moment
der Eindruck, der Geldautomat hätte Öffnungszeiten...

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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering kissing gates in OSM

[Dave F]

On 10/10/2017 09:30, Bob Hawkins wrote:
I wonder why kissing gates are not rendered in OpenStreetMap – 
certainly in the Standard version?  Their installation in place of 
stiles in my part of South Oxfordshire is increasing apace thanks to 
the work of the Chiltern Society.  Are they a particularly GB or UK 
phenomenon and, as such, not considered to be of sufficient importance 
to act upon?  Can a case be made?


It certainly can, but as you can see it's slow moving:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/846

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Re: [Talk-de] finde.cash! - name / operator

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 10. Oktober 2017 um 16:28 schrieb Harald Hartmann <
osm-talk...@haraldhartmann.de>:

> Danke für den Hinweis, den man genauer betrachten sollte:
> der Geldautomat wird häufig ja gar nicht alleine/eigenständig, sondern
> als atm=yes zusammen mit einer Bank erfasst ...



ja, wobei man da auf dem Standpunkt stehen kann, dass er gar nicht
(explizit) erfasst ist, sondern nur indirekt auf ihn geschlossen werden
kann, weil man über die Bank  (bzw. das Objekt wie Laden Post, etc.) weiss,
dass sie irgendwo einen atm hat.


und man bei dieser
> Kombination die Werte für name und operator (und evtl. brand und
> network) vielleicht anders/genauer setzt, als wenn man nur den
> Geldautomaten taggt
>


wie gesagt, in dem Fall beziehen sich name und operator und alle tags
allgemein auf die Bank (auch die zum Netzwerk z.B.). Wenn man den Namen des
Geldautomaten taggen will, dann "braucht" man m.E. ein eigenes Objekt für
den atm, oder es werden so verschachtelte "Unterproperties" an einem
anderen Objekt wie der Bank, die vermutlich nie jemand auswerten wird ;-)

atm=yes schließt auch nicht unbedingt aus, dass man zusätzlich einen (oder
mehrere) Geldautomaten explizit mappt, damit sagt man nur, diese Bank hat
einen atm.

Weltweit sind wir derzeit bei 138 542 atm=yes (davon 11,1% nicht an einer
Bank) und 131 779 amenity=atm.

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-de] finde.cash! - name / operator

[Harald Hartmann]

>> On 9. Oct 2017, at 22:44, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>>
>> das wäre hier der Name der Filiale
>
> bei amenity=bank wäre es der Name der Filiale, bei Geldautomaten kann man 
> sehen, ob es überhaupt einen Namen gibt.
>

Danke für den Hinweis, den man genauer betrachten sollte:
der Geldautomat wird häufig ja gar nicht alleine/eigenständig, sondern
als atm=yes zusammen mit einer Bank erfasst ... und man bei dieser
Kombination die Werte für name und operator (und evtl. brand und
network) vielleicht anders/genauer setzt, als wenn man nur den
Geldautomaten taggt

@Nils: hast du zufällig bei dir einen germany-extrakt rumliegen und
könntest hierzu einfach mal ein paar statistiken entwerfen (nix
supertolles grafisches, einfach ein paar zahlen reichen [1]), z.B.
verhältnis amenity=bank ohne atm=yes, amenity=bank mit atm=yes und
amenity=atm
oder eine Auflistung und Anzahl von network und operator?

[1] z.B.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Haribo/statistics/motorway#Vorbereitung



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Re: [Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.

[Andrew Matheny]

Nick-

I would check out the City of Austin's OpenData portal:
https://data.austintexas.gov/Locations-and-Maps/Street-Segment/t4fe-kr8c

The license is the same (PD) as when the initial building import was
completed, so you are good to go.

-Andrew

OSM: Andrew Matheny

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Nick Hocking 
wrote:

> at   http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/30.23990/-97.57717
>
> Openstreetmap has three missing roads, that Bing and Google have as, Joe
> Lane, Cleto Street and Fifnella way.
>
> Tiger 2017 does not have these. Is there any usable source for these Texas
> roads or, if not, does anyone have local knowledge of them or the ability
> to survey them?
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Re: [Talk-cz] Windy maps

[Miroslav Suchy]

Dne 10.10.2017 v 12:55 Marián Kyral napsal(a):
> Tak seznam dnes spustil Windy Maps: 
> https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/mapy-seznamu-miri-do-ciziny-spousti-windy-maps-v-anglictine/
> 

:( Tak jsem se tesil ze bude konecne OSM rendering pro CZ+SK a nic. Pouzivaji 
pro CZ a SK ty svoje podklady. Skoda.

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-10-10 15:18 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> 2017-10-10 14:52 GMT+02:00 emmexx :
>
>>
>> Prova a vedere qui:
>>
>> http://studiochiarini.it/File/Regole%20biciclette_rev.3.pdf
>>
>> O qui: http://studiochiarini.it/documenti.htm
>>
>> O chiedi direttamente all'ing. Chiarini (Gruupo Tecnico della FIAB).
>>
>>
>
>
> grazie, me lo guardo
>
>

la frase dive "dove esistono", quindi, se si trova una pista al di là di
2+3+3+2 corsie, più parcheggio e strada di servizio, separate tra di loro
tramite guardrail / blocchi di cemento, forse non si può proprio dire che
"esiste" una ciclabile in quel punto?

Comunque, ho imparato che in Italia i ciclisti possono transitare in aree
pedonali (se non ci sono divieti aggiuntivi).

Ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-10-10 14:52 GMT+02:00 emmexx :

>
> Prova a vedere qui:
>
> http://studiochiarini.it/File/Regole%20biciclette_rev.3.pdf
>
> O qui: http://studiochiarini.it/documenti.htm
>
> O chiedi direttamente all'ing. Chiarini (Gruupo Tecnico della FIAB).
>
>


grazie, me lo guardo




> E' una regola del cavolo ovviamente ma si sa che il ciclista prepara a
> tavolino i propri percorsi prima di uscire la mattina.



si, abbiamo la stessa legge (o simile) in Germania, ma non funziona in
pratica perché puoi sempre dire che la pista non porta dove volevi andare
(in quel caso sei esenziato). Qui potrei spesso dire che la pista era
impraticabile.

Ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[emmexx]

On 10/10/2017 10:06 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> Ho trovato nel wiki questa bozza di pagina:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:PeeWee32/testpage
> Ho aggiunto quattro righe nella prima tabella.
> Date un'occhiata.

Typo: carregiata dovrebbe essere carreggiata.

Per la pista su corsia ciclabile lato strada si può trovare anche questo
segnale:

https://www.google.it/maps/@45.4953005,9.1959644,3a,75y,319.01h,97.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szAaKTi5_oV5jwFGw1g4krA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

ciao
maxx

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Re: [Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[emmexx]

On 10/10/2017 11:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

> io sarei interessato a capire quando è obbligatorio l'uso. Come si
> capisce se una pista ciclabile in propria sede appartiene ad una strada?

Prova a vedere qui:

http://studiochiarini.it/File/Regole%20biciclette_rev.3.pdf

O qui: http://studiochiarini.it/documenti.htm

O chiedi direttamente all'ing. Chiarini (Gruupo Tecnico della FIAB).

E' una regola del cavolo ovviamente ma si sa che il ciclista prepara a
tavolino i propri percorsi prima di uscire la mattina.

ciao
maxx



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Re: [Talk-cz] Windy maps

[Jan Martinec]

Moje vznášedlo je plné úhořů, kde je co jakým písmem?
Já našel jenom toto, schovaný v menu:

https://i.piskvor.org/osm/2017-10-10%2013.27.55.png

HPM

On 10/10/2017 01:37 PM, Marián Kyral wrote:

Spíš je otázka, zda to je OK. Takovým malilinkatým, bílým písmen. Při
větších přiblíženích se to na světlé totálně ztratí.

Marián


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No, našla... Jen by to k tomu chtělo lupu - podle tohohle testu je
čas na kontrolu na oční :)

2017-10-10 12:55 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral >:

Tak seznam dnes spustil Windy Maps:

https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/mapy-seznamu-miri-do-ciziny-spousti-windy-maps-v-anglictine/



Ad weekly a windy.com ) - attribution
doplnili. Ale schválně, kdo to najde :-D

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

[Max Erickson]

I reviewed about 40 ways in New York. Here's an Overpass script for
finding the ways that have not been changed since the redaction:

https://gist.github.com/maxerickson/e02651cce99af983949b91f8d471fb23

The ways are clustered quite a lot.


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Re: [Talk-cz] Windy maps

[Marián Kyral]

Spíš je otázka, zda to je OK. Takovým malilinkatým, bílým písmen. Při
větších přiblíženích se to na světlé totálně ztratí.

Marián


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"
No, našla... Jen by to k tomu chtělo lupu - podle tohohle testu je čas na
kontrolu na oční :)


2017-10-10 12:55 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral :
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Tak seznam dnes spustil Windy Maps: https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/mapy-seznamu-
miri-do-ciziny-spousti-windy-maps-v-anglictine/
(https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/mapy-seznamu-miri-do-ciziny-spousti-windy-maps-v-anglictine/)

Ad weekly a windy.com(http://windy.com)) - attribution doplnili. Ale
schválně, kdo to najde :-D

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Re: [Talk-es] contact:website erróneo en la importación de farmacias de Madrid

[Alejandro Moreno]

Hola Rafa.

En principio parece que nadie tiene problema con la modificación. Veo que
la importación la hicisteis con el usuario Uranzu_import ¿quién tiene la
contraseña de ese usuario? Por otro lado, ¿Hay que reflejar en la wiki de
la importación [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Madrid_Pharmacies_Import
] el cambio?

El 2 de octubre de 2017, 22:06, Rafael Avila Coya 
escribió:

> Hola, Alejandro:
>
> Bastaría con descargar con overpass las farmacias, y luego eliminar el
> atributo de aquellas que no hayan cambiado el campo contact:website
> He descargado todas las farmacias, y todas salvo una tienen el
> contact:website de la importación. La única que tiene uno diferente es
> contact:website="http://www.russianpost.ru;, que parece bastante
> sospechoso de ser incorrecto.
>
> Eliminar la etiqueta de todas las farmacias es trivial, pero tiene que
> estar de acuerdo la comunidad OSM, especialmente la local. Además, yo lo
> haría con una cuenta especial...
>
> Un saludo,
>
> Rafael.
>
> On 02/10/17 17:11, Alejandro Moreno wrote:
>
>> El ayuntamiento ha debido hacer algún cambio en su web y las url que se
>> importaron en el campo contact:website de las farmacias de Madrid ya no
>> existe. ¿Sabéis si hay alguna forma automatizada de eliminar este atributo?
>>
>> Un saludo.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Windy maps

[Jan Martinec]

No, našel jsem - ale běžný Franta uživatel nemá šanci. Jinak appka vypadá
celkem ok, kupodivu i sdílí stažená data s mapy.cz, ale ještě to má pár
much (spojení vidím výhradně jen na zítřek, půlku appky mám anglicky a
půlku česky).

Konečně, v Maps.me se to taky hledá dost blbě, a to nemají vlastní vrstvu
pro ČR; )

HPM

Dne 10. 10. 2017 12:56 napsal uživatel "Marián Kyral" :

> Tak seznam dnes spustil Windy Maps: https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/
> mapy-seznamu-miri-do-ciziny-spousti-windy-maps-v-anglictine/
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> Ad weekly a windy.com) - attribution doplnili. Ale schválně, kdo to najde
> :-D
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] Windy maps

[majka]

No, našla... Jen by to k tomu chtělo lupu - podle tohohle testu je čas na
kontrolu na oční :)

2017-10-10 12:55 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral :

> Tak seznam dnes spustil Windy Maps: https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/
> mapy-seznamu-miri-do-ciziny-spousti-windy-maps-v-anglictine/
>
> Ad weekly a windy.com) - attribution doplnili. Ale schválně, kdo to najde
> :-D
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[Talk-cz] Windy maps

[Marián Kyral]

Tak seznam dnes spustil Windy Maps: https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/mapy-seznamu-
miri-do-ciziny-spousti-windy-maps-v-anglictine/

Ad weekly a windy.com) - attribution doplnili. Ale schválně, kdo to najde :-
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Devenir mandataire d'OpenStreetMap France

[Adrien André]

Bonjour,

je me propose comme mandataire territorial pour la région Guyane.

Adrien


Le 07/10/2017 à 04:19, talk-fr-requ...@openstreetmap.org a écrit :
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 14:52:43 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Vincent de Château-Thierry 
> To: Discussions sur OSM en français  
> Cc: ca 
> Subject: [OSM-talk-fr] Devenir mandataire d'OpenStreetMap France
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Bonjour,
> On parle peu de l'association OpenStreetMap France sur ce canal. Je prends 
> l'occasion aujourd'hui pour aborder le sujet des mandataires.
> 
> L'association est une toute petite structure, autour d'un CA d'une quinzaine 
> de personnes. Elle est sollicitée, quasi quotidiennement, pour des demandes 
> liées au projet OSM : demandes d'organes de presse, d'institutionnels, 
> d'acteurs privés, de collectivités, de particuliers.
> Les demandes sont de tous ordres : dépannage technique, devis, participation 
> à une réunion ou à un événement, annonce. Les retours vont d'une simple 
> réponse par mail à, potentiellement, une présence physique sur un événement, 
> en passant par des contacts téléphoniques ou la fourniture de contenus 
> (données, illustrations).
> 
> Il n'y a pas de miracle : le temps, bénévole, de chacun n'est pas extensible. 
> Aujourd'hui, on peut décrire la répartition de charge entre les personnes qui 
> s'impliquent comme un vaste (mais heureux) bricolo. On compose, on répond à 
> certaines sollicitations, d'autres passent à la trappe. Avoir un collectif 
> plus étoffé est bien sûr un moyen pour éviter autant que possible ces loupés.
> Le principe des mandataires de l'association, imaginé dès l'origine en 2011, 
> va dans ce sens. Des personnes susceptibles de relayer l'association sont 
> identifiées, et sollicitées, pour leur proximité géographique avec un 
> événement ou un interlocuteur (les mandataires territoriaux) et/ou pour leur 
> expertise sur sujet (les mandataires thématiques).
> 
> Certaines personnes assument d'ores et déjà ces rôles (et c'est l'occasion 
> ici de les en remercier). Cependant nous restons trop peu nombreux pour faire 
> tourner efficacement la machine.
> 
> Donc
> ... si partager votre enthousiasme pour le projet OSM vous plaît
> ... si vous savez dégager un peu de temps pour des actions associatives
> ... si vous vous sentez légitime sur des sujets métiers en lien avec OSM
> ... si animer une cartopartie, tenir un stand OSM, répondre au journaliste du 
> coin selon l'occasion vous motive
> (j'arrête la liste mais on peut l'allonger)
> alors je ne peux que vous inciter à nous rejoindre pour participer au 
> développement des activités de l'association. Faites vous connaître sur ce 
> pad : https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/OSM-FR-inventaire-des-mandataires et/ou 
> sur la liste c...@openstreetmap.fr, liste qui fédère les discussions autour 
> des activités de l'association (cette liste est publique, elle n'est 
> nullement réservée aux membres du CA).
> D'ici quelques semaines, l'idée est de pouvoir matérialiser ce collectif, de 
> l'organiser, mutualiser quelques ressources, économiser l'énergie de chacun 
> tout en répondant mieux aux sollicitations.
> 
> D'avance merci pour vos retours, et désolé pour la longueur du message.
> 
> vincent pour OSM-Fr

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Re: [Talk-lv] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

[Rihards]

On 2017.10.03. 16:54, Ilja Denisovs wrote:
> Sveiki, kolēģi,
>  
> 
> izklausās pēc jaukas tēmas (sen nebijušai) osm sanākšanai kādā
> darbdienas vakarā. varbūt kaut kad oktobra otrajā pusē?
> 
> 
> Piekrītu, tā ir laba ideja!

Mārtiņ, vai tev bija kāda doma, kad šādu tikšanos varētu rīkot ?
vai ir jau plāniņš, kur rīkot ?

saistīti - wikidata/wikipedia satīrīšanas projekts par linkiem uz
cilvēkiem :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Link_Improvement_Project#Linking_to_Humans

varbūt ir vērts nelabot latvijā esošos ~5 gadījumus, nodemonstrējot
labošanu decembrī ? ;)

> 2017-10-03 16:27 GMT+03:00 Rihards  >:
> 
> On 2017.10.03. 11 :29, Mārtiņš Bruņenieks wrote:
> > Sveicināti!
> >
> > Vai kāds no OSM kopienas ir pamēģinājis padarboties ar Wikidata projektu
> > (sasaisti ar OSM relācijām)?
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata
> 
> >
> > Diezgan brīvi orientējos Wikidata jautājumos, varētu novadīt workshop
> > par šo tēmu, ja ir interesenti. Lietainie rudens vakari būtu piemērots
> > laiks.
> 
> esmu šur tur tagus palabojis, bet minimāli.
> izklausās pēc jaukas tēmas (sen nebijušai) osm sanākšanai kādā
> darbdienas vakarā. varbūt kaut kad oktobra otrajā pusē ?
> 
> > Wikidata ir atvērto datu projekts, kura pirmsākumi meklējami Wikimedia
> > Deutschland / vācu valodas Vikipēdijas kopienā. Ar Latvijai aktuālajām
> > lietām tur darbojas vairāki Vikipēdijas latviešu valodā redaktori. Tomēr
> > arvien pieaug datu apjoms, kam nav nekāda sakara ar Vikipēdiju.
> >
> >  Mārtiņš--
>  Rihards
> -- 
> Best regards!
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Re: [Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-10-10 11:04 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt :

>
> foot non dovrebbe essere yes?
>>
>
> Ho copiato senza pensare.
> Hai ragione a tre quarti.
>
> Dovrebbero essere:
>
> Pista ciclabile su corsia riservata su marciapiede:
> foot=yes and bicycle=no on the pedestrian part
> foot=no on the bicycle part
> Percorso promiscuo pedonale e ciclabile:
> foot=yes with precedence over bicycle
>


io sarei interessato a capire quando è obbligatorio l'uso. Come si capisce
se una pista ciclabile in propria sede appartiene ad una strada?
Faccio un esempio (con g**gle maps, perché mapillary non c'è e vorrei avere
foto):
Se io sono qui:
https://www.google.it/maps/@41.8588147,12.4971395,3a,75y,72.93h,89.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZrWJpAPeWVabvVH_yfh_sQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DZrWJpAPeWVabvVH_yfh_sQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D68.51443%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?dcr=0
Dovrei cambiare lato della strada per prendere questa ciclabile?
https://www.google.it/maps/@41.8591524,12.4964726,3a,75y,103.85h,48.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0yHJWnuWDn-sz_uRyWOuTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D0yHJWnuWDn-sz_uRyWOuTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D76.098656%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?dcr=0

Su questa strada grande (Via Colombo) c'è quasi sempre una pista ciclabile,
ma è sempre solo da un lato (per tutte le due direzioni), quindi sarei
costretto a cambiare lato ogni volta con la pista?


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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering kissing gates in OSM

[Philip Barnes]

On 10 October 2017 09:30:38 BST, Bob Hawkins  wrote:
>I wonder why kissing gates are not rendered in OpenStreetMap –
>certainly in the Standard version?  Their installation in place of
>stiles in my part of South Oxfordshire is increasing apace thanks to
>the work of the Chiltern Society.  Are they a particularly GB or UK
>phenomenon and, as such, not considered to be of sufficient importance
>to act upon?  Can a case be made?
>
I would go further and say they are probably an England and Wales concept based 
on that even in Scotland rights of way law is different. The same goes for 
stiles.

Andy's map does render them and is the best solution for countryside mapping. 

I think getting things like stiles and kissing gates into the standard style 
would be infinitely improbable. The style does seem to be urban centric. The 
loss of colour on tertiary roads is one area where the style has become less 
friendly in rural areas. 

Phil (trigpoint) 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Barriers and PRoWs

[Bob Hawkins]

Andy
I thank you for your prompt reply; that is useful to know and I shall bookmark 
your link.  It is pleasing to see my PRoW references being put to good use 
alongside the ways, too.

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Re: [Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[Volker Schmidt]

> foot non dovrebbe essere yes?
>

Ho copiato senza pensare.
Hai ragione a tre quarti.

Dovrebbero essere:

Pista ciclabile su corsia riservata su marciapiede:
foot=yes and bicycle=no on the pedestrian part
foot=no on the bicycle part
Percorso promiscuo pedonale e ciclabile:
foot=yes with precedence over bicycle
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[Talk-br] Mapa político do Brasil usando dados do IBGE/BCIM

[Thiago Marcos P. Santos]

Olá pessoal,

Esses dias estava fazendo um teste com ferramentas da Mapbox e acabei
fazendo um mapa
usando os dados do IBGE/BCIM inspirado no Mapa Brasil Político que eu
cansei de ver na
escola pública onde estudei.

https://goo.gl/wv1fkk

Este mapa usa dados do OSM apenas para os labels dos estados e países, as
cidades são do IBGE. Visualizar
dados como este é interessante para saber como o IBGE diverge do OSM e o
que poderia ainda ser importado.

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Re: [Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[Luca Delucchi]

Ciao Volker,

2017-10-10 10:06 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt :
> Ho trovato nel wiki questa bozza di pagina:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:PeeWee32/testpage
> Ho aggiunto quattro righe nella prima tabella.
> Date un'occhiata.

scusa ma
- Pista ciclabile su corsia riservata su marciapiede
- Percorso promiscuo pedonale e ciclabile

foot non dovrebbe essere yes?

> Grazie
> Volker
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Re: [Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[Gianluca Boero]

Ottima tabella.

Avevo un dubbio sull'icona del segnale stradale nella sezione IT ma ho 
verificato in un'immagine ed è quello situato all'imbocco delle strade 
ciclabili. Il mio dubbio riguardava un minima differenza tra le varie 
biciclette negli altri cartelli europei.



Magari da noi fossero Horse e Foot = no...ci entrano di tutto...


Il 10/10/2017 10:06, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:

Ho trovato nel wiki questa bozza di pagina:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:PeeWee32/testpage
Ho aggiunto quattro righe nella prima tabella.
Date un'occhiata.
Grazie
Volker


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[Talk-GB] Rendering kissing gates in OSM

[Bob Hawkins]

I wonder why kissing gates are not rendered in OpenStreetMap – certainly in the 
Standard version?  Their installation in place of stiles in my part of South 
Oxfordshire is increasing apace thanks to the work of the Chiltern Society.  
Are they a particularly GB or UK phenomenon and, as such, not considered to be 
of sufficient importance to act upon?  Can a case be made?

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[Talk-it] tabelle accesso su ciclabili e ciclopedonali

[Volker Schmidt]

Ho trovato nel wiki questa bozza di pagina:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:PeeWee32/testpage
Ho aggiunto quattro righe nella prima tabella.
Date un'occhiata.
Grazie
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[Talk-GB] Barriers and PRoWs

[Bob Hawkins]

I record all barriers - gate, kissing gate and stile - as I walk every PRoW 
(Public Right of Way) in the Oxfordshire Chilterns parish by parish.  I add 
them and prow_ref values in the form of "Checkendonh FP 12", for example, to 
OSM.  I discovered three cases on my walk in Ipsden last week where stiles had 
been replaced by kissing gates.  There are two large caveats regarding OSM, of 
course: 1. the completeness, or otherwise, of such information and 2. the 
currency of the information.  I have been labouring with how to improve this 
situation.  These are my thoughts: I wish to link the barrier node to the PRoW 
way on which it is situated.  My ability to construct queries in Overpass Turbo 
is extremely limited and to the Wizard only.  I can query barrier=stile, for 
example, but am at a loss when it comes to operators such as 'and'.  I should 
be most grateful for assistance in achieving the following:
1. to identify PRoWs having stiles, say
2. to invert and obtain PRoWs not having stiles
3. to obtain such results for an individual civil parish, either by selecting 
those ways within an admin level 10 boundary named "Checkendon", say, or 
selecting those PRoWs whose prow_ref value contains "Checkendon"
4. to be able to export such results to a tabular form
How much is achievable in Overpass Turbo, or what is required in addition?
Please note: I use JOSM always as my editor.
Information like this would allow me to know where to concentrate my checks.  
Chiltern Society representatives lead me to understand such information would 
be useful for its own purposes and I should be pleased to do all I can to help.

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[Talk-GB] Barriers and PRoWs

[Bob Hawkins]

I record all barriers - gate, kissing gate and stile - as I walk every PRoW 
(Public Right of Way) in the Oxfordshire Chilterns parish by parish.  I add 
them and prow_ref values in the form of "Checkendonh FP 12", for example, to 
OSM.  I discovered three cases on my walk in Ipsden last week where stiles had 
been replaced by kissing gates.  There are two large caveats regarding OSM, of 
course: 1. the completeness, or otherwise, of such information and 2. the 
currency of the information.  I have been labouring with how to improve this 
situation.  These are my thoughts: I wish to link the barrier node to the PRoW 
way on which it is situated.  My ability to construct queries in Overpass Turbo 
is extremely limited and to the Wizard only.  I can query barrier=stile, for 
example, but am at a loss when it comes to operators such as 'and'.  I should 
be most grateful for assistance in achieving the following:
1. to identify PRoWs having stiles, say
2. to invert and obtain PRoWs not having stiles
3. to obtain such results for an individual civil parish, either by selecting 
those ways within an admin level 10 boundary named "Checkendon", say, or 
selecting those PRoWs whose prow_ref value contains "Checkendon"
4. to be able to export such results to a tabular form
How much is achievable in Overpass Turbo, or what is required in addition?
Please note: I use JOSM always as my editor.
Information like this would allow me to know where to concentrate my checks.  
Chiltern Society representatives lead me to understand such information would 
be useful for its own purposes and I should be pleased to do all I can to help.

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Re: [Talk-cz] [osm_sk] WeeklyOSM CZ 373

[Tom Ka]

Och, no jo, omlouvam se, kde to jde opravim.

2017-10-10 9:35 GMT+02:00 Martin Ždila :
> 2017-10-10 9:31 GMT+02:00 Tom Ka :
>>
>> * next.freemap.cz se blíží do finále.
>
>
> A dokonca aj next.freemap.sk ;-)
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Re: [Talk-es] Reunión virtual sobre accesibilidad

[Carlos Cámara]

Gracias Jose Luis por iniciar este hilo.

Secundo la moción de hacer una quedada virtual para compartir experiencias.
Yo buscaré un hueco para hacerlo fuera del horario laboral.

¿Cómo lo hacemos? ¿Creamos un doodle con varias opciones para el mes de
noviembre y cerramos fecha a finales de octubre? (así damos tiempo a quien
quiera apuntarse, porque además de Cristina -por cierto, encantado- y los
sospechososo habituales como Miguel y Jose Luis, me consta que hay más
personas que trabajan estos temas, como Mikel Gómez y sus compañeros de la
Universidad de Deusto y DeustoTech)

Por otra parte también creo que molaría tener cierto orden del día u
objetivo general y fijar una duración de tiempos. Para ello podríamos usar
algún servicio de escritura colaborativa, pero ahora que ha cerrado
titanpad no tengo claro cual usar. He creado este etherpad, a modo de
ejemplo (es la primera vez que uso etherpad y esta url, así que no sé cómo
funcionará -si hay alternativas mejores, bienvenidas serán):
https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Accesibilidad_OSM

Saludos,

Carlos Cámara
http://carloscamara.es

2017-10-05 23:21 GMT+02:00 Cristina Domínguez :

>
> Buenas!!
> Soy Cristina, Geoinquieta en Sevilla
> Desde 2014 he utilizado OSM en el ámbito de la accesibilidad en entornos
> urbanos en Sevilla.
>
> Me gustaría participar en esa reunión virtual.
>
> Saludos
> Cristina Domínguez
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jose Luis Infante 
> Date: 2017-10-05 12:39 GMT+02:00
> Subject:
> To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap 
>
>
> Hola,
>
> hace ya tiempo que hemos estado hablando por chats y redes sociales
> sobre nuestras experiencias en accesibilidad en OSM. Finalmente, a
> raíz de estas conversaciones, sería muy conveniente poder organizar
> una reunión virtual donde compartir nuestras experiencias: qué hemos
> hecho, con quién hemos colaborado, cómo lo hemos organizado, que
> dificultades hemos tenido, criterios de accesibilidad que hemos
> considerado, etc.
>
> También, obviamente, para debatir sobre el estado del arte y el futuro
> del tema de la accesibilidad en OSM. ¿Podemos reflejar la realidad de
> las personas con problemas de accesibilidad en OSM? ¿Qué podemos hacer
> para que la información sea lo más completa? Y, ¿qué hacemos para
> extender nuestra experiencia a otros lugares que todavía no tienen
> datos de accesibilidad?
>
> ¿Quién se apunta?
>
> Un saludo,
>
> Jose Luis
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Re: [Talk-cz] [osm_sk] WeeklyOSM CZ 373

[Martin Ždila]

2017-10-10 9:31 GMT+02:00 Tom Ka :

> * next.freemap.cz se blíží do finále.
>

A dokonca aj next.freemap.sk ;-)

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[Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 373

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, po menší pauze způsobené mým vytížením je dostupné vydání 373
týdeníku WeeklyOSM:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/9449

* Jak a kde začít s mapováním budov z RUIAN.
* Informace z kvartálního piva.
* next.freemap.cz se blíží do finále.
* Nevhodný preset pro přechody v iD.
* Retardéry pro lidi s nízkými příjmy?
* Zápis a video z Elbe-Labe.
* HOT mapování po hurikánu Irma.
* Zemětřesení v Mexiku.
* Kanadské dendrometrické mapy.
* Přehled pro minimalizaci chyb v OSM.

Pěkné počtení ...

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Re: [Talk-cz] Je to či není rozcestník?

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, neni to rozcestnik ale mapuje se to uplne jako rozcestnik,
stejne tak oznaceni v PhotoDB.

Bye

Dne 9. října 2017 21:26 Miroslav Suchý  napsal(a):
> Je to či není rozcestník?
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/IlTHHsfOiDwt9EQj1
>
> Má to vlastní ref. Takže je to TIM. Nikam to neukazuje, takže to není
> rozcestník. Mám to dát do mapy, či ne?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Scientific paper on "Information Seeding"

[Simon Poole]

Am 10.10.2017 um 00:07 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> The analysis and the observations coming from it look pretty solid.  I 
> am not fully convinced by the interpretation of the reasons lying 
> largely in contributors taking 'ownership' of the data they contribute.  
> This would in my eyes - at least if meant in terms of individual 
> ownership - require the original contributors at the beginning to 
> continue to be significant in terms of overall contribution volume over 
> the whole time span analyzed.  This seems rather unlikely considering 
> the active contributor turnover we have in general 
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Active_contributors_year.png).

I wouldn't reject the "ownership" hypothesis because of the large, and
increasing, amount of churn. As we know that "most" data is contributed
by fairly small number of contributors and they could well be longer
term contributor too. IIRC there is at least one paper co-authored by
Pascal that has numbers on this, maybe it is worth the effort to dig
that out again.

That said there are obviously other mechanisms that could produce the
measured effect.

Simon



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[Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.

[Nick Hocking]

at   http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/30.23990/-97.57717

Openstreetmap has three missing roads, that Bing and Google have as, Joe
Lane, Cleto Street and Fifnella way.

Tiger 2017 does not have these. Is there any usable source for these Texas
roads or, if not, does anyone have local knowledge of them or the ability
to survey them?
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