Re: [Talk-it] United Nations Maps Project

[Alessandro P. via Talk-it]

Il 01/02/19 06:38, Aury88 ha scritto:

una curiosità: come sono queste immagini Digital Globe in termini di
risoluzione copertura e offset?


La risoluzione è quella normale delle Digital Globe Premium. L'offset 
non è quantificabile perchè non ho riferimenti su cui posso stimarlo; in 
Africa anche 5 - 6 m non sarebbero un grosso problema.
Per la copertura, quando si parte su una nuova area un mese prima si 
acquistano le immagini e dopo qualche settimana (il tempo del normale 
processamento, rimozione copertura delle nuvole, cucitura delle immagini 
e pubblicazione del WMS) sono internamente disponibili.
Attualmente siamo partiti da Baidoa e ci stiamo avvicinando verso 
Mogadiscio per supportare la missione UNSOS 
https://unsos.unmissions.org/e, ovviamente, sia tutte le agenzie 
collegate con UN che chiunque opera sul campo utilizzando mappe e dati 
OSM. Vedi ad esempio https://cccm-cluster-somalia.github.io/OPSMAP/
Col tempo speriamo di poter instaurare un canale di comunicazione con 
chi è sul campo per avere feedback (apparentemente cosa semplice ma chi 
ha operato in Africa capisce quali difficoltà ci siano dietro, dalla 
sicurezza fisica alla scarsità di banda internet).


Pagandole però una frazione del costo commerciale non ci è permesso 
utilizzarle all'esterno. In quel caso indicheremo quali sono tra le 
immagini pubblicamente disponibili quelle più aggiornate e magari 
eviteremo di creare task pubblici dove queste sono troppo obsolete.


Alessandro

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Re: [talk-cz] [Talk-cz] opět Prušánky

[Tom Ka]

Dobry den,predne dekuji, ze jste se ozval, to je urcite zaklad pro to,
snazit se cokoliv vyresit. Pokusim se aspon na nektere veci reagovat:
pá 1. 2. 2019 v 8:36 odesílatel Pavel Janeček  napsal:

> K editacím: nemohu pochopitelně sedět 18 lidem za zadkem a vše po nich 
> opravovat, na to čas nemám, i když se během hodiny nezastavím. Úplně ale 
> nerozumím tomu, proč apriori banovat to, co je z Prušánek. (Za sebe: klidně 
> veškeré prušánecké úterní editace smažte a řešení je velice snadné: za týden 
> dodám seznam 18 účtů, které si můžete přidat na spamlist a je vyřešeno.) Na 
> druhou stranu - budou-li smazány i rozumné editace, je to škoda a pro žáky do 
> budoucna demotivace na něčem znovu participovat.

Nejde o to banovat vse apriori ale vzhledem k tomu, ze nejsme schopni
definovat, ktere upravy jsou vubec provadene a neni trivialni prace v
tomto rozsahu odlisit dobre od spatnych, muze byt nekdy konecne
rozhodnuti radeji vse zrusit, nez hledat 10% spravnych veci (navic je
tezke bez pritomnosti v terenu overit, ze jsou spravne).

> Také úplně nechápu proces verifikace. Měl jsem za to, že se lze do projektu 
> zapojit svobodně a "někdo" mou práci pustí příp. odmítne. Je-li ale 200 
> editací ročně (práce 20 puberťáků) pro tým zahlcením, pak je něco vymyšleno 
> špatně, ne? Mám za to, že v takto velkém projektu by i příp. šíření 
> dezinformací mohlo být nějak elegantně ošetřeno!? Další věcí, kterou bych si 
> rád objasnil je kdo validaci změn provádí? Jde o komunitu dobrovolníků nebo 
> skupinu lidí, kterým je zároveň zaměstnáním?

V OSM nejsou (velmi zjednodusene, ale pro CZ platne) zadni placeni
lide, vse delaji dobrovolnici ve svem volnem case. Problem neni 200
editaci ale primarne tech 200 editaci mezi vsemi editacemi v CR najit,
druhy je pak proverit jestli jsou spravne nebo ne (pokud je to
evidentni nesmysl, tak je to jasne, jinak to zrejme byt nemusi).

> Za odkaz na HOTOSM i hezký popis Majce děkuji - tyhle "ohrádky" budou pro 
> děcka opravdu asi nejbezpečnější, i když úplně nevím jak si poradí s 
> angličtinou. (Někdy bývá zázrak děcka k něčemu přimět, i když má člověk sám 
> pocit, že to smysl má a mohlo by je bavit nebo dokonce nadchnout. Dopadá to 
> pak spíše tak, že pracují - jako ve všem - pod hrozbou známek resp. postihů 
> za nedodané předem přesně definované výstupy. Kreativita mizí.)

Podle mne, pokud budeme jako komunita (tj. info sem na mail list)
vedet kdy se bude hodina konat (idealne par dni dopredu) a budete
schopen poslat seznam loginu, ktery bude pouzit, tak nam to vyrazne
zjednodussi praci a budeme schopni tu validaci provest vyrazne
efektivneji. Pokud pak z danych lidi nekdo vyhledove zacne editovat
smysluplne a do OSM prispivat, nebude to uplne ztraceny cas komunity.

A jeste castecne na komunitu - z vasich dotazu mam pocit, ze by mohlo
byt velmi uzitecne si s nekym z komunity, kdo ma o OSM dostatecny
prehled a znalosti sendout a popovidat si o tom, jak veci funguji. Pak
i vy budete schopen lepe odhadnout, co je vhodne a co muze zpusobit
problemy. Je tu nekdo z jihu moravy blizko Prusanek? Pripadne
nepoybujete se vy nekdy v Brne (tam je lidi z OSM CZ vice).

Hezky den tom.k

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[talk-cz] [Talk-cz] opět Prušánky

[Pavel Janeček]

Zdravím,
náhodně jsem narazil na vaši diskuzi ke změnám pocházející z naší školy, takže 
se hlásím k odpovědnosti a budu aspoň na něco reagovat. 
Předně se omlouvám za komplikace a práci, kterou vám to způsobuje! (I když 
letos mám pocit, že by zas tak moc škody vzniknout nemuselo, třída je celkem 
rozumná.)
Zadání jste odhadli skvěle - můj předpoklad: vzdálenější lokace nebude tolik 
svádět k páchání škody tam, kde to všichni známe a společně se tomu zasmějeme.
Účelem samozřejmě není pobavit se a přidat 20 lidem práci na hodinu, ale 
vyzkoušet si reálnou práci v reálném světě.
 
K editacím: nemohu pochopitelně sedět 18 lidem za zadkem a vše po nich 
opravovat, na to čas nemám, i když se během hodiny nezastavím. Úplně ale 
nerozumím tomu, proč apriori banovat to, co je z Prušánek. (Za sebe: klidně 
veškeré prušánecké úterní editace smažte a řešení je velice snadné: za týden 
dodám seznam 18 účtů, které si můžete přidat na spamlist a je vyřešeno.) Na 
druhou stranu - budou-li smazány i rozumné editace, je to škoda a pro žáky do 
budoucna demotivace na něčem znovu participovat.
 
Také úplně nechápu proces verifikace. Měl jsem za to, že se lze do projektu 
zapojit svobodně a "někdo" mou práci pustí příp. odmítne. Je-li ale 200 editací 
ročně (práce 20 puberťáků) pro tým zahlcením, pak je něco vymyšleno špatně, ne? 
Mám za to, že v takto velkém projektu by i příp. šíření dezinformací mohlo být 
nějak elegantně ošetřeno!? Další věcí, kterou bych si rád objasnil je kdo 
validaci změn provádí? Jde o komunitu dobrovolníků nebo skupinu lidí, kterým je 
zároveň zaměstnáním?
 
Za odkaz na HOTOSM i hezký popis Majce děkuji - tyhle "ohrádky" budou pro děcka 
opravdu asi nejbezpečnější, i když úplně nevím jak si poradí s angličtinou. 
(Někdy bývá zázrak děcka k něčemu přimět, i když má člověk sám pocit, že to 
smysl má a mohlo by je bavit nebo dokonce nadchnout. Dopadá to pak spíše tak, 
že pracují - jako ve všem - pod hrozbou známek resp. postihů za nedodané předem 
přesně definované výstupy. Kreativita mizí.)
 
PJ
 
ad Jan Cibulka:
Potvrzuji tel. hovor v loňském roce, ale určitě jsem nesliboval nápravu ve 
smyslu procházení historie změn 20 uživatelských účtů, ale spíš pohledovou 
kontrolu a opravu věcí, které byly na první pohled vadné. To jsem udělal. 
Jelikož se tématu věnujeme většinou tak 2-3 vyuč. hodiny na sandbox už nedošlo. 
Letos jsem ho - přiznám se - nehledal. Tak to jen k poznámce "nestalo se nic".

 

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Re: [Talk-si] Začetniška vprašanja

[Mitja Jež]

Živjo Aleš,
hvala za vprašanja.
Predpostavljam, da uporabljaš iD urejevalnik.

Mnogo tega je na wiki.openstreetmap.org
Linke bom skušal dobit naknadno.
To teh prideš tudi z info ikonco pri izbranem tagu. Nikar ne spreglej "project: 
Slovenia", je nekaj zbranih info in specifik.

Dne, 31. januar 2019 22:50:24 GMT+01:00, Ales Casar  sporoča:
>   Pozdravljeni!
>
>Tu in tam poskušam kaj popraviti in dopolniti na OpenStreetMap in mi
>kar 
>nekaj stvari ni jasnih. Mogoče bo kdo vedel kaj odgovoriti.
>
>Zelo očitno se vidi zamik med mapiranimi elementi, verjetno pretežno iz
>
>rabe tal, in Bingovim posnetkom v ozadju. Kaj je prav? Kako mapirati?
>Po 
>posnetku ali po občutku, kakor je mapirana okolica?
Vključi si prikaz GPS sledi in poravnaj satelitsko sliko. Pri razgibanem terenu 
to počni večkrat, ker so drugačni zamiki.

>
>Katero kategorijo cest pripeti javnim cestam, praviloma v občinski 
>lasti, po vaseh, ki povezujejo različne dele vasi, ne pa tudi različne 
>vasi med seboj? A je to Unclassified road? Ali Residential road, čeprav
>
>v neposredni okolici ni nobenih hiš? Kaj tretjega?
>
>Kako je s hitrostmi na cestah? A se tam piše formalno dovoljeno
>hitrost? 
>Ali neko realistično hitrost? Obstaja recimo ogromno kolovozov, kjer je
>
>formalno dovoljeno voziti 90 km/h, v praksi pa gre bolj kaj okrog 5 
>km/h. Če imaš dober traktor. Z običajnim avtom pa verjetno 0.
Menim, da ni potrebno vnašati omejitev, če ni podana s tablo.

>Kako prestavljati en element, kjer imaš na isti liniji vse živo, recimo
>
>cesto, mejo med občinami, mejo med regijami, državno mejo, mejo med 
>regijami v oni drugi državi, pohodniško pot, avtobusno linijo, ... ? In
>
>je potem potrebno premakniti recimo samo cesto, ne pa s seboj potegniti
>
>še državne meje. In podobno.
Prepričaj se, če je res potrebno le to premaknit.
Če označiš cesto (nekje, kjer ni združena) in potem točko ceste, kjer želiš 
premaknit z desnim klikom boš dobil 'razdruži' ikono.

>Ali se da kako zrenderirati ceste tako, da se vidijo tudi vozni pasovi?
>
>Lahko tudi samo ob velikem zoomu. Po možnosti z oznakami, kam se iz 
>katerega pasu lahko zavija?
>
>Kako pri krožiščih, kjer ti napiše, po katerem izvozu zapustiti 
>krožišče, preskočiti povečevanja tega števca z uvozi? In kako enega 
>izvoza (na isto cesto) preko dveh ločenih vozišč (vmes je dvignjen 
>betonski robnik) ne šteti dvakrat?
>
>Ali se poti morajo dotikati hiš z naslovom? Se mi zdi, da se potem pri 
>iskanju poti ob vpisu naslova nekako bolj pogosto najde tisto lokacijo,
>
>oz. manjkrat reče, da na tisti relaciji pot ne obstaja.
>
>Kako narediti recimo transformer_tower? Sem poskušal narisati zgradbo
>in 
>potem izbrati, da je transformer tower, pa nikakor ni šlo. Na nek način
>
>je uspelo, če sem izbral transformer, ki sem mu potem dodal tag 
>building:transformer_tower, ampak je spet čudno.
To sem tudi sam vnašal, zgleda kot da ne renderira take zgradbe.
>
>Recimo, da je to to zaenkrat.
>
>Lep pozdrav,
>   Aleš
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Re: [Talk-it] United Nations Maps Project

[Aury88]

Italy General mailing list wrote
> Salve lista,
> posso finalmente annunciare la partenza ufficiale del United Nations 
> Maps Project
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UN_Maps_Project
> 
> Oltre a organizzare Mapathons mappiamo direttamente su OSM. Non parlo di 
> importazione dati, ma di mappatura "a manina" utilizzando immagini 
> aggiornate Digital Globe.
> Il primo mapathon sarà interno alla sezione GIS UN (qui a Brindisi). A 
> FOSS4G-IT 2019 dovrebbe tenersi il primo Mapathon ufficiale.
> 
> A presto con altre news.
> 
>    Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT a.k.a. UNGSC-DTLM-Ale_Zena
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Grandissimo Alessandro. Sapevo che dopo WMI saresti finito in qualche realtà
ancora più importanteero solo in dubbio tra la stanta sede e le nazioni
Unite xD.

Cercherò sicuramente di contribuire.

una curiosità: come sono queste immagini Digital Globe in termini di
risoluzione copertura e offset?



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Re: [talk-au] Residential road tagging

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Bit of a hard one?

I've seen one of those streets in this area that each side of the "service
road" part is signed "Local traffic only - no through road"

In OSM terms, that then could stay as =residential, but with
access=destination (or =no?).

Without local knowledge of the actual street, & how it may be signed, I'd
be inclined to leave these as a mix of =residential & =service

Thanks

Graeme


On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 14:35, David Wales  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I came across an interesting tagging situation while working on this
> MapRoulette Challenge:
> https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3257
>
> At this location,
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=19/-34.06296/150.76212
> Linum road is tagged as both a residential road, and a service road.
>
> From the LPI NSW Base Map, I'm pretty sure that both segments are meant
> to be Linum Road. However, from the LPI NSW Imagery, I'm not sure if
> both should be tagged as residential, or if the current tagging with
> part residential and part service road is correct.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> David Wales
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[talk-au] Residential road tagging

[David Wales]

Hello!

I came across an interesting tagging situation while working on this
MapRoulette Challenge:
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3257

At this location,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=19/-34.06296/150.76212
Linum road is tagged as both a residential road, and a service road.

From the LPI NSW Base Map, I'm pretty sure that both segments are meant
to be Linum Road. However, from the LPI NSW Imagery, I'm not sure if
both should be tagged as residential, or if the current tagging with
part residential and part service road is correct.

Thoughts?

Regards,
David Wales



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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

On Jan 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, john whelan  wrote:
> 
> I note that both Google and Bing have most buildings these days

That's a strong assertion, any cite you might make?  Or are you simply 
guessing?  Also, so what?  And, "most?"

> and it has almost become a map user expectation.

Do you have any sources to cite for this?  Bing users?  Google Maps users?  OSM 
users?  Who, exactly is "expecting" this and how do you know this?  What 
matters here and now is the OSM community's acceptance of the quality of these 
data.  Is Canada able to MAKE such a determination?  I think so.

> There is a case that says to keep up with the competitors we really ought to 
> have buildings.

John, I believe you are the first to ever assert "we ought to have buildings" 
I've ever seen in OSM.  What "case" are you talking about?

> I think someone else has commented that parts of the Microsoft building 
> outline from scanned images in the US is problematic.

Well, then say so.  Say who.  Say when.  Say where.  Say what you mean by 
"problematic."  Let us (the OSM community) reflect on these comments.  Let us 
(the OSM community) make our own determinations whether this is or isn't 
"problematic."  Those issues are a completely separate issue from OSM, although 
there might be overlap, I simply don't know, as you haven't given us any data, 
simply your opinion.  I'd like to know, but I can't, given what you have 
offered.

> So given the results in Ottawa are comparable to Ontario and in my opinion 
> Ottawa is acceptable then I think the rest is also acceptable.

OK:  one vote in the fog of consensus.  I have very little data to go on, and 
I'm not completely certain why, but it is an assertion of an OSM volunteer 
saying "then I think..." something.

> Certainly Kingston where not all building angles were right angles weren't 
> noticeable to me by eye or perhaps my eyesight is just getting worse with age.

Canada (and OSM) either agrees its building data for the five provincial 
datasets are OK, or Canada (and OSM) don't.  As I've heard many here (I don't 
need to cite them, these cite themselves) say "I don't" or "we don't" (think 
the datasets are OK), the next things to say are "Well, they seem fixable with 
some algorithmic/programatic massaging, so, how do we fix them?"  Or, "OK, 
here's how we're going to fix them."  (Simplify the nodes, make them have 90º 
angles, whatever).  This doesn't seem like it's an impossible finish line to 
cross, though I do see at least one person running in detours going nowhere.

In short:  "what's wrong with these data, how might they get fixed?"  (Then 
they might get imported).  It doesn't seem to me to be a whole lot more 
complicated a discussion than that.

SteveA
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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

[john whelan]

I can't think of a way to pull in all the suspect buildings but if you have
a look here:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=k4a%201m7%20canada#map=19/45.47095/-75.48696

556, 558, 560 are all examples that I think would fail your test.  However
they are the shape of the buildings.

As far as I am aware we haven't had any outraged users complaining about
the building shapes in Ottawa and that I think is the acid test.  The
Ottawa building import has been useful certainly in gaining new mappers and
adding tags to the outlines.

Your test originally was to pick out very badly mapped buildings that had
been done in iD and I would agree with you that some were very bad.
Sometimes 3 or 4 times the size of the building and some very odd shapes
indeed.  From memory most were done on HOT tasks with the iD editor.

These I think we should definitely aim to avoid but where the
representation of the building is reasonably accurate then I think they are
acceptable.  We are using reasonably experienced mappers who would balk at
importing some of the stuff we saw in Nepal etc and rightly so.  They'd
almost certainly be very vocal about the quality of the data.

There is a case to be made that most residential buildings would be
acceptable if they were mapped with the JOSM buildings_tool plugin and all
the small blobs take up database size.  There is also a case that you get a
better sense of the building with the small blobs, bay windows etc.  I
don't have strong feelings either way but I strongly suspect there are
examples of both already in OSM in Canada.

I note that both Google and Bing have most buildings these days and it has
almost become a map user expectation.  Certainly there are apps that guide
blind people that use the building outlines in OSM.  There is a case that
says to keep up with the competitors we really ought to have buildings.

I think someone else has commented that parts of the Microsoft building
outline from scanned images in the US is problematic.

So given the results in Ottawa are comparable to Ontario and in my opinion
Ottawa is acceptable then I think the rest is also acceptable.  Certainly
Kingston where not all building angles were right angles weren't
noticeable to me by eye or perhaps my eyesight is just getting worse with
age.

Cheerio John



On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 19:51, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Salut John,
>
> Voici les résultats d'analyse de géométrie des bâtiments pour Ottawa
> centre-ville.
> bbox : 45.4224,-75.6994,45.4568,-75.6122
>
> -  20,372 Bâtiments
> -  173 Bâtiments avec superposition  (0.1%)
> -   11,534 Bâtiments avec formes irrégulières  (56.6%)
>
> Nous avons donc un résultat semblable aux imports en Ontario que j'ai
> analysé il y quelques jours. A mon avis, en haut de 5%, il faut regarder de
> plus près et expliquer pourquoi autant de formes irrégulières.
>
> J'ai créé des Requêtes overpass pour extraire les bâtiments identifiés
> dans l'analyse. Télécharger les requêtes à partir des fichiers ci-joints.
>
>
> Pierre
>
>
> 173 Batiments avec superposition
> Req Overpass voir
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fp1cimouhhfbm9s/on_Ottawa_centre_2019-01-31_batiments_superposes_OSM_req_Overpass.txt?dl=0
>
>
> 11,534 Bâtiments avec formes irrégulières  (56.6%)
> Req Overpass voir
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c68nb9dbudtp679/on_Ottawa_centre_2019-01-31_batiments_irreg_OSM_req_Overpass.txt?dl=0
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
>
> Le lundi 28 janvier 2019 09 h 17 min 37 s HNE, john whelan <
> jwhelan0...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>
> Interesting, although I'm not sure what the best approach is.
>
> 31 Hamilton is interesting.  If you look at the buildings next to it they
> don't have house numbers.  Look at the history and you'll see it was first
> created in 2010 with potlatch and edited once more in 2011.
>
> At my first glance at Kingston the small deviations form 90 degrees did
> not stand out.
>
> I think we can reasonably expect Microsoft to create a Canadian buildings
> file and you seem to be comfortable that the ones it has in the US are of a
> reasonable standard.
>
> Part of my background is large databases and my personal view is the
> minimum data needed the faster the system runs and less data needs to get
> flipped round and backed up.
>
> Could you run the analysis over Ottawa?
>
> Looking closely at a few in Ottawa I note that there are some bay windows
> and other small features I might not have bothered with if mapping with
> JOSM with the buildings_tool. Because of a few 45 degree angles involved
> this isn't something that can be easily solved.
>
> Ottawa I think at some level can be considered a reasonable success.
> Certainly we added a lot of extra information to the building outlines.
>
> I think the trade off is using the municipal data gives us the buildings
> with perhaps more detail than I might like but many would like to see the
> buildings imported.
>
> Dunno (Do not 

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

[Pierre Béland via Talk-ca]

Salut John,
Voici les résultats d'analyse de géométrie des bâtiments pour Ottawa 
centre-ville.bbox : 45.4224,-75.6994,45.4568,-75.6122
-  20,372 Bâtiments
-      173 Bâtiments avec superposition  (0.1%)
-   11,534 Bâtiments avec formes irrégulières  (56.6%)

Nous avons donc un résultat semblable aux imports en Ontario que j'ai analysé 
il y quelques jours. A mon avis, en haut de 5%, il faut regarder de plus près 
et expliquer pourquoi autant de formes irrégulières.

J'ai créé des Requêtes overpass pour extraire les bâtiments identifiés dans 
l'analyse. Télécharger les requêtes à partir des fichiers ci-joints. 

Pierre 
 

173 Batiments avec superposition
Req Overpass 
voirhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/fp1cimouhhfbm9s/on_Ottawa_centre_2019-01-31_batiments_superposes_OSM_req_Overpass.txt?dl=0

11,534 Bâtiments avec formes irrégulières  (56.6%)
Req Overpass voir 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c68nb9dbudtp679/on_Ottawa_centre_2019-01-31_batiments_irreg_OSM_req_Overpass.txt?dl=0





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Le lundi 28 janvier 2019 09 h 17 min 37 s HNE, john whelan 
 a écrit :  
 
 Interesting, although I'm not sure what the best approach is.  
31 Hamilton is interesting.  If you look at the buildings next to it they don't 
have house numbers.  Look at the history and you'll see it was first created in 
2010 with potlatch and edited once more in 2011.
At my first glance at Kingston the small deviations form 90 degrees did not 
stand out. 
I think we can reasonably expect Microsoft to create a Canadian buildings file 
and you seem to be comfortable that the ones it has in the US are of a 
reasonable standard.
Part of my background is large databases and my personal view is the minimum 
data needed the faster the system runs and less data needs to get flipped round 
and backed up.
Could you run the analysis over Ottawa?
Looking closely at a few in Ottawa I note that there are some bay windows and 
other small features I might not have bothered with if mapping with JOSM with 
the buildings_tool. Because of a few 45 degree angles involved this isn't 
something that can be easily solved.
Ottawa I think at some level can be considered a reasonable success.  Certainly 
we added a lot of extra information to the building outlines.
I think the trade off is using the municipal data gives us the buildings with 
perhaps more detail than I might like but many would like to see the buildings 
imported.
Dunno (Do not know for translate tools.)
What is the ideal building outline in OpenStreetMap?
What is an acceptable building outline in OpenStreetMap?  

Suggestions
Thanks
Cheerio John

 
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Re: [Talk-us] Map roulette challenges - Missing named roads [VA, NJ, NY, MN, SC]

[Kevin Kenny]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:30 PM Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc)
via Talk-us  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> In an effort to make the roads data in OSM more complete in names and 
> coverage, the Open Maps team at Microsoft is going through some available 
> open data sets published by some of the US State agencies, and analyzing 
> these to find gaps where named roads are published in the government data, 
> but absent from OSM.
>
> We're publishing these on Map roulette for the mapping community to 
> investigate and edit accordingly. The map roulette challenges focus on the 
> rural areas where less attention may be paid rather than the urban areas. The 
> coverage is state wide but the published date, and quality differs from place 
> to place. Below are the first few out there, so feel free to jump in - the 
> water is fine!
>
> Minnesota: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3486
> New York: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3489
> New Jersey: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3470
> Virginia: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3490
> South Carolina: https://maproulette.org/mr3/admin/project/2346/challenge/3487
>
> Each challenge has some more information in the description, and links to the 
> data sources being used.
>
> Please give us a shout with any comments, feedback, questions, or concerns!

Any chance that New York State Orthos Online can be added to the image
layers? (iD and JOSM both have it.)  For the most part, it's newer
imagery than the sources that are there. More important, it's 'leaves
off' imagery, and a lot of the roads I've seen so far turn up in this
are at most forest tracks and service ways, hard to see under the
trees in summer.

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Re: [Talk-br] Obtida numeração predial da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre

[Sérgio V .]

De: Fernando Trebien 
Enviado: quinta-feira, 31 de janeiro de 2019 11:51
Para: OpenStreetMap no Brasil
Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] Obtida numeração predial da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre

Legal. O DataPoa já disponibilizava o endereço inicial e final de cada
quadra, com o qual poderíamos importar os endereços na forma de
interpoladores. Com este conjunto, talvez possamos importar cada
endereço individual. Uma pena os dados estarem num formato
proprietário (MDB), mas acho que podemos contornar isso. Eu gostaria
de olhar esses dados para ver que qualidade têm e se têm problemas,
onde podem ser baixados? É interessante saber ao menos como estão
posicionados os endereços em relação aos lotes. Das discussões sobre a
importação dos endereços em Curitiba [1] me parece comum que sejam
colocados no centróide dos lotes, embora o consenso é de que devem ser
movidos para a face deles [2].

**O link não tá publico, foi disponibilizado ao email cadastrado no processo.

A maioria dos conjuntos de dados de endereços que vi até hoje costumam
ter problemas de precisão, ou de cadastro (nomes de ruas erradas ou
nomes antigos). No segundo caso, uma importação pelo JOSM deve
apresentar erros de validação. Acho que faria sentido sanar esses
problemas antes de inserir os dados no mapa.

**Calma, não vai pro OSM ainda. Tou examinando, como falei.
Todo mundo vai poder ver antes de ir pro OSM.

Esses sistemas de coordenadas obscuros (nacionais, que não estão
disponíveis nas ferramentas livres) também merecem ser melhor
documentados para que qualquer um possa verificar a conversão para um
sistema amplamente usado internacionalmente. Acho que o que você chama
de CRS TMPOA deve ser o mesmo que a lei chama de SCR-POA [3].

**Isso, a lei chama assim. Mas não quer dizer que eu chamo errado, rsrs.
A prefeitura usa, englobando nisso a Projeção "Transversa de Mercator para 
Porto Alegre (TM-POA)":
Ítem 4.3 em https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_23OQou8LVVS1d6SG5tY2xiems/view
(de http://www2.portoalegre.rs.gov.br/spm/default.php?p_secao=345)
"a partir da publicação do Decreto n° 18.315 a PMPA passa a adotar o Sistema 
Cartográfico de Referência definido pelo sistema geodésico de referência 
SIRGAS2000 e projeção cartográfica TM-POA"
Justamente para adaptar melhor ao sistema amplamente usado internacionalmente, 
como o SIRGAS2000 o é em relação a WGS84, apenas usando um projeção TM adequada 
a PoA.
Também como no material em Shapefile da PMPA: EDIFICACOES_TM-POA.shp.
Já vem assim pra configurar CRS completa, como no QGIS. Por isso CRS=TMPOA. Por 
praticidade.
(fecho minha sessão pedantismo, rsrs)

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/2018-November/012460.html
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Curitiba/Importa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_IPPUC
[3] 
https://leismunicipais.com.br/a/rs/p/porto-alegre/decreto/2013/1831/18315/decreto-n-18315-2013-institui-o-sistema-cartografico-de-referencia-de-porto-alegre-scr-poa





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On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 11:47 AM Sérgio V.  wrote:
>
> Prezados/as,
>
> Agradecendo inicialmente sobretudo ao Thierry Jean, que pelos contatos em 
> eventos conseguiu indicar as pessoas responsáveis nos órgãos públicos, aqui 
> no caso no setor de Coordenação de Geoprocessamento, da Secretaria Municipal 
> da Fazenda / Prefeitura Municipal de Porto Alegre.
> Ajudam muito estes contatos para auxiliar aos respectivos organismos 
> conhecerem a utilidade e importância de disponibilizarem os dados ao OSM, bem 
> como auxiliar a nós demais membros da comunidade no caminho dos processos 
> para obtê-los efetivamente, nas variadas dimensões de colaboração ao OSM.
>
> Sendo assim, conforme indicado, protocolei em 09/01/2019 abertura de Processo 
> Administrativo comum, como pessoa física, na Prefeitura Municipal de Porto 
> Alegre.
> Em despacho final hoje 30/01/2019 (20 dias ao todo), a Prefeitura autorizou o 
> uso do material nas condições requeridas do OSM, e liberou o material para 
> download com link temporário no processo.
> Baixado o material. Veio compactado em .7z 88,0MB.
> Descompactado, são 515 MB em 01 arquivo .mdb, contendo 16 planilhas.
> Pelo que vi inicialmente, georreferenciadas em coordenadas UTM metros (deve 
> estar em CRS TMPOA, padrão da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre dentro do sistema 
> SIRGAS2000).
> A examinar mais.
>
> Próximos passos são, a princípio:
> -examinar e organizar o material, preparando em proposta de importação 
> segundo padrões do OSM;
> -realizar os testes necessários e examinar compatibilização com o existente 
> no OSM;
> -abrir uma página wiki própria (sugestão de nome e indexação?) contendo a 
> documentação com comprovação de liberação da Prefeitura, e demais descrições 
> técnicas do material e da proposta de importação, pubicando assim para 
> apreciação da comunidade OSM no Brasil;
> -obter aprovação formal da comunidade OSM no Brasil;
> -proceder à execução da importação;
> -eventuais outras etapas que 

Re: [Talk-it] marciapiedi e strisce pedonali

[Sergio Manzi]

Un altro punto di vista:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.3227069,8.418084,3a,75y,213.88h,77.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjtRh5TX33El3y95U1nkvew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

se noti, la cycleway (strisce arancio) si interrompe nell'attraversamento della 
strada. Il motivo deriva dall'Art. 146 del CdS [1] che prevede gli 
attraversamenti ciclabili e li descrive. Corrisponde a quanto vediamo in Google 
Maps...

Ciao,

Sergio

[1] 
http://www.diritto24.ilsole24ore.com/guidaAlDiritto/codici/codiceStradale/articolo/466/art-146-attraversamenti-ciclabili-art-40-cod-str-.html


On 2019-01-31 22:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 31. Jan 2019, at 13:05, Simone Saviolo  > wrote:
>
>> Io vedo diversi attraversamenti con le classiche strisce "interrotte", che 
>> indicano l'attraversamento pedonale e ciclabile. Tipo così ([1]) ma uniti. 
>
>
> per me non c’è un highway=crossing per le bici lì, è un cycleway=lane e le 
> strisce segnalano la corsia.
>
> Qui sarebbe un esempio cosa intendevo: 
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Unnamed+Road,+00153+Roma+RM/@41.8795916,12.4956564,3a,75y,247.16h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sekFJ9qVHY7uvfwIUevwMRg!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x132f61c57f8b36cd:0xa010b2111b0a31d4
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Re: [talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Yep, bring the split back to where the central island starts alongside the
first westbound "turn right" arrow.

I'd also suggest aligning the actual road marking with the centre of the
road before it splits, then the centre of each side after the split, as
that can apparently also help with smoothing routing directions (somehow!).

Speed limits & lane counts also need to be corrected!

Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 09:02, Ian Sergeant  wrote:

> I agree there should be a better way, but I would solve this problem
> by bring the road split to the east of the the intersection in this
> case.  The road divides on the eastern side of the intersection
> anyway.
>
> Then there will be no option but to continue straight.
>
> Ian.
>
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 09:55, Dion Moult  wrote:
> >
> > G'day all!
> >
> > In the intersection of Liverpool road and Burwood road in Burwood,
> Sydney (see attached), if I am travelling in the direction shown by the red
> arrow, then my GPS device should tell me to continue and drive straight at
> the intersection. However, because at that junction, the map splits up
> Liverpool Road into two roads, OSMAnd tells me to turn left there, which is
> quite confusing.
> >
> > What is the appropriate way to fix this mapping? Or is it a problem with
> OSMAnd?
> >
> >
> > Dion Moult
> >
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Re: [Talk-it] marciapiedi e strisce pedonali

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 31. Jan 2019, at 13:05, Simone Saviolo  wrote:
> 
> Io vedo diversi attraversamenti con le classiche strisce "interrotte", che 
> indicano l'attraversamento pedonale e ciclabile. Tipo così ([1]) ma uniti. 


per me non c’è un highway=crossing per le bici lì, è un cycleway=lane e le 
strisce segnalano la corsia.

Qui sarebbe un esempio cosa intendevo: 
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Unnamed+Road,+00153+Roma+RM/@41.8795916,12.4956564,3a,75y,247.16h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sekFJ9qVHY7uvfwIUevwMRg!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x132f61c57f8b36cd:0xa010b2111b0a31d4


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Re: [Talk-se] Kartan på https://www.openstreetmap.org/ har inte uppdateras på ett tag

[Andreas Vilén]

Jag har sett uppdateringar utan problem, däremot kan det ta längre tid i 
områden med många mappade objekt. Tror inte detta är ett problem för då hade 
nog någon tagit upp det i den internationella maillistan redan.

/Andreas

Skickat från min iPhone

> 30 jan. 2019 kl. 09:39 skrev Aron Bergman :
> 
> Jaha, så era uppdateringar har inte ens nått databasen?
> 
> / Aron Bergman
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Re: [Talk-it] United Nations Maps Project

[Fra Mauro]

Mi associo ai complimenti.
Gran bella iniziativa

Il 31 Gennaio 2019 18:37:41 CET, Federico Cortese  ha 
scritto:
>On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 5:01 PM Alessandro P. via Talk-it
> wrote:
>>
>> Salve lista,
>> posso finalmente annunciare la partenza ufficiale del United Nations
>> Maps Project
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UN_Maps_Project
>>
>> Oltre a organizzare Mapathons mappiamo direttamente su OSM. Non parlo
>di
>> importazione dati, ma di mappatura "a manina" utilizzando immagini
>> aggiornate Digital Globe.
>> Il primo mapathon sarà interno alla sezione GIS UN (qui a Brindisi).
>A
>> FOSS4G-IT 2019 dovrebbe tenersi il primo Mapathon ufficiale.
>>
>> A presto con altre news.
>>
>
>Grazie Alessandro per questa ottima notizia.
>Il progetto, che promette di essere veramente un colpaccio per OSM, mi
>pare un meritato successo per il tuo impegno.
>
>Complimenti!
>Federico
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Re: [Talk-cr] Retos de MapRoulette de Costa Rica

[Julio C. May H.]

Hola Andrew,
No te precoupes, no le diremos nada a los peruanos 

Compañeros maperos de Costa Rica: el challenge de MapRoulette que presenta el 
equipo de Apple está muy Bueno, es divertido pero también interesante, es como 
una forma lúdica de control de calidad para el mapa. Aprovechemos este empujón!!

Gracias de nuevo Andrew.



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From: Andrew Wiseman via Talk-cr 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:23:52 PM
To: Andrew Wiseman
Cc: talk-cr@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-cr] Retos de MapRoulette de Costa Rica

¡Lo siento! OSM Costa Rica. Uf, mi error.

Andrew

On Jan 29, 2019, at 6:21 PM, Andrew Wiseman via Talk-cr 
mailto:talk-cr@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:

Hola OSM Peru,

Esto es Andrew del equipo de mapas de Apple. Llevamos algún tiempo trabajando 
en el red vial (https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues/27) y recientemente 
usado nuestro herramienta Atlas para análisis de datos 
(https://github.com/osmlab/atlas ) para buscar 
algunos tipos de posibles problemas, como carreteras con superpuestas y 
intersecciones de edificios y carreteras. Pongo los resultados de los retos en 
MapRoulette (maproulette.org), un herramienta que te 
permite pasar los problemas uno por uno y corregirlos o marcar que no son un 
problema. Quería hacerles saber que estaban disponibles en caso de que alguien 
quisiera intentar arreglarlos. Yo también arreglaré algunos.

En MapRoulette escoges un problema random o haz clic en un problema especifico. 
Si desea ver tareas en un lugar determinado, como en un lugar con el que está 
familiarizado, puede hacer clic en "más opciones" y luego en “load tasks by 
proximity” (cargar tareas por proximidad.)

Por favor, hágamelo saber si tiene alguna pregunta o comentario.

Los retos son:

Vías con superpuestas: https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3580
Intersecciones de edificios y carreteras: 
https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3578/

Muchas gracias,

Andrew


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Recherche d'expert·e·s OSM pour participation à un projet SNCF

[Florian LAINEZ]

Bonsoir Céline,
J'ai bien sûr très envie de participer à cette réunion ! Je suis disponible
toute la journée demain.
Je vois que je suis en retard pour répondre, désolé. J'espère que cela ne
te posera pas de problème.
Bonsoir

Le ven. 25 janv. 2019 à 16:56, DURUPT Celine (EXT CONCRETIO) <
ext.celine.dur...@sncf.fr> a écrit :

> Bonjour à toutes et à tous,
>
>
>
> Dans le cadre d’un projet de mise en valeur des données présentes sur OSM,
> mené par SNCF sur le périmètre des gares d’Île-de-France (page projet, en
> cours de mise à jour :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Transilien), nous
> recherchons des expert·e·s OSM pour nous accompagner sur deux sujets :
>
> -  L’extraction automatique de POI selon des règles géographiques
> et sémantiques (sélection par tags, pondération selon la proximité
> géographique à d’autres POI, etc.) pour la réalisation d’un modèle de
> navigation piéton incluant des repères (
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chGlRnYGvDg) ;
>
> -  L’état de l’art et l’analyse du marché permettant de fournir
> des recommandations et de construire un modèle économique de maintenance de
> la donnée OSM dans le cadre du projet cité.
>
>
>
> Si vous ou votre entreprise êtes intéressé·e·s par travailler sur ces
> sujets, deux réunions d’information seront organisées par téléconférence :
>
> -  Le vendredi 1er février de 11h30 à 12h30 pour le sujet
> « Extraction de POI »
>
> -  Le vendredi 1er février de 14h à 15h pour le sujet
> « Maintenance de la donnée »
>
>
>
> Merci de me transmettre votre souhait de participation par retour de mail
> avant le 30 janvier à 17h afin que je vous transmette les informations de
> connexion.
>
>
>
> En vous remerciant d’avance de faire circuler auprès des personnes pouvant
> être intéressées,
>
>
>
> *CÉLINE DURUPT*
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> Chef de projet Géomatique
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Re: [talk-cz] Prihlaseni do spolku OSM CR z.s. + clenske prispevky zakladajicich clenu

[Jan Macura]

Ahoj,

jsem se zrovna chtěl zeptat, jestli už se to nějak uklidnilo a přihlašovací
formulář je stabilní :-)

H.
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Re: [Talk-it] importare dati osm su database

[Roberto Brazzelli]

Ciao Maurizio,
grazie per le info sotto..sono riuscito a caricare i dati osm.pfb
con osm2psql ...non ho però per ora installato nulla per quanto
riguarda il render (mod_tile render/ mapnik ecc)
Prima di avventurarmi volevo capire cosa fa esattamente:
- crea tessere vettoriali con i dati osm caricati applicando stile
predefinito
tipo “OpenStreetMap Carto”?
- in che modo posso modificare lo stile di queste tessere per
personalizzarlo?
modificando il file di stile di mapnik?

Grazie mille
rb


Il giorno mer 12 dic 2018 alle ore 13:36 Maurizio Napolitano <
napoo...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> parti da qui
> https://switch2osm.org/manually-building-a-tile-server-18-04-lts/
> poi, per gli uggiornamenti invece basta usare le giuste opzioni di
> osm2pgsql scaricando gli aggiornamenti da planet.openstreetmap.org
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/osm2pgsql/blob/master/docs/usage.md
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 1:07 PM Roberto Brazzelli
>  wrote:
> >
> > Ciao Daniele..vedo di essere più chiaro..
> > Vorrei fare prova importando solo alcune categorie di poi
> > a livello regionale postgres installato su server cloud debian.
> > leggendo sulla wiki a anche su altre risorse mi pare di capire
> > che è poi possibile far sincronizzare automaticamente i dati presenti sul
> > mio server  con il i dati di osm...è corretto?
> >
> > a questo punto mi chiedevo quale strada tra osm2pgsql e imposm
> > è meglio seguire.
> >
> > grazie
> > rb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giorno mar 11 dic 2018 alle ore 18:49 Daniele Forsi 
> ha scritto:
> >>
> >> Il giorno mar 11 dic 2018 alle ore 15:49 Roberto Brazzelli ha scritto:
> >>
> >> > quale delle 2 strade è più semplice?
> >>
> >> problema x-y: stai elencando delle soluzioni invece di spiegare qual è
> >> il tuo problema
> >> ("test con dati a livello comunale" non è una spiegazione sufficiente
> >> perché test diversi richiedono strumenti diversi)
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Re: [Talk-it] cancellazioni giuste o sbagliate?

[Federico Cortese]

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:31 PM scratera  wrote:
>
> ..qualcuno può controllare queste medifiche??
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66807569#map=12/45.8943/11.6929
>

Si tratta dell'aggiornamento dei limiti comunali dopo la fusione di
alcuni comuni.
https://www.tuttitalia.it/variazioni-amministrative/nuovi-comuni-2019/

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] United Nations Maps Project

[Federico Cortese]

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 5:01 PM Alessandro P. via Talk-it
 wrote:
>
> Salve lista,
> posso finalmente annunciare la partenza ufficiale del United Nations
> Maps Project
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UN_Maps_Project
>
> Oltre a organizzare Mapathons mappiamo direttamente su OSM. Non parlo di
> importazione dati, ma di mappatura "a manina" utilizzando immagini
> aggiornate Digital Globe.
> Il primo mapathon sarà interno alla sezione GIS UN (qui a Brindisi). A
> FOSS4G-IT 2019 dovrebbe tenersi il primo Mapathon ufficiale.
>
> A presto con altre news.
>

Grazie Alessandro per questa ottima notizia.
Il progetto, che promette di essere veramente un colpaccio per OSM, mi
pare un meritato successo per il tuo impegno.

Complimenti!
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[Talk-it] cancellazioni giuste o sbagliate?

[scratera]

..qualcuno può controllare queste medifiche??
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66807569#map=12/45.8943/11.6929



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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[David Woolley]

On 31/01/2019 10:33, Andy Mabbett wrote:


I am looking to tag dropped kerbs in two circumstances; in places that
look like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/UnBiAsxgCFR2

Sometimes, there are two crossings adjacent, or nearly adjacent,
making a place convenient as an informal crossing point for
wheelchairs, pushchairs, barrows, etc.

Often, however, there is a dropped kerb on one side, but not the
other, That's still useful info someone needs to drop off a wheelchair
user, for example.



Footway crossovers can be legally blocked by permission of the occupier 
of the property for which they were provided.  Also they are not 
necessarily in places where it would be safe for a pedestrian to cross.


I'd suggest this is overmapping, and any attempt to map a pedestrian 
crossing at the point would be subjective.


Dropped kerbs for pedestrians are placed at safe places, albeit 
generally only near junctions, and it is illegal to block them.


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Re: [Talk-it] United Nations Maps Project

[Sergio Manzi]

Complimenti Alessandro,

una bellissima storia di successo per OSM!

Sergio


On 2019-01-31 17:01, Alessandro P. via Talk-it wrote:
> Salve lista,
> posso finalmente annunciare la partenza ufficiale del United Nations Maps 
> Project
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UN_Maps_Project
>
> Oltre a organizzare Mapathons mappiamo direttamente su OSM. Non parlo di 
> importazione dati, ma di mappatura "a manina" utilizzando immagini aggiornate 
> Digital Globe.
> Il primo mapathon sarà interno alla sezione GIS UN (qui a Brindisi). A 
> FOSS4G-IT 2019 dovrebbe tenersi il primo Mapathon ufficiale.
>
> A presto con altre news.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] les différents name:xx

[marc marc]

Le 31.01.19 à 16:06, Francois Gouget a écrit :
> divergence entre la relation boundary d'une ville
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2098985

heu non, ce n'est pas la relation de la ville mais de la commune.
ils ont le même nom mais c'est 2 choses totalement différent.

> wikipedia pourrait être utilisé pour identifier les traduction manquantes. 

c'est le sens du plugin wikidata dans josm même si son ergonomie est 
améliorable.

> probablement des problèmes de performance).

cela pose surtout un problème de licence (même si wikidata lui-même
est cc, tu peux injecter n'importe quelle licence dans wikidata
et pour wikipedia/wikidata.
c'est d'ailleurs mis en grand sur la page du wiki concernée
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_Wikipedia

on peux surtout se poser la question si un preprocesseur ne serrait pas 
plus utile. il ajouterait à l'objet osm toutes les name:xx en utilisant 
wikidata (ou se limite aux name:fr si le but est le rendu osm-fr)
ainsi il n'y aurait plus besoin de passer son temps à faire un travail 
automatisable.
"yaka trouver quelqu'un qui a envie de le coder :)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Idées rendu des mers

[osm . sanspourriel]

Le 31/01/2019 à 16:06, Francois Gouget - fgou...@free.fr a écrit :


Là encore un module Osmose proposant des traductions obtenues à partir
de Wikipedia serait bien pratique (même si cela poserait probablement
des problèmes de performance).


En fait il y a plus rapide : la page Wikidata correctement configurée 
donnera directement les noms dans les différentes langues.


Si tu entres le wikidata dans ID il va te proposer un lien vers cette page.

Ce n'est pas sans curiosités : selon ID la gare de Noisy - Champs 
 a pour nom "gare 
de Noisy - Champs (Champy - Nesles)" du fait de son nom Wikidata. Alors 
que le nom sous Wikidata est "gare de Noisy - Champs", "gare de Noisy - 
Champs (Champy - Nesles)" n'est qu'un synonyme (et le nom complet de la 
station).


Le test ou la proposition Osmose devrait porter sur un des noms dans la 
langue en question, pas forcément le nom principal.


Jean-Yvon

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[Talk-it] United Nations Maps Project

[Alessandro P. via Talk-it]

Salve lista,
posso finalmente annunciare la partenza ufficiale del United Nations 
Maps Project


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UN_Maps_Project

Oltre a organizzare Mapathons mappiamo direttamente su OSM. Non parlo di 
importazione dati, ma di mappatura "a manina" utilizzando immagini 
aggiornate Digital Globe.
Il primo mapathon sarà interno alla sezione GIS UN (qui a Brindisi). A 
FOSS4G-IT 2019 dovrebbe tenersi il primo Mapathon ufficiale.


A presto con altre news.

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Re: [Talk-cl] Mapping colectivo routes

[Exequiel Gaete Pavez]

En Santiago, si bien los colectivos tienen rutas definidas... en la
practica eso no aplica mucho. El año pasado usé varias veces los colectivos
que parte en Moneda y terminan en La Florida... pero si hay pasajeros
"cerca" de la ruta (que contactan a las compañías por teléfono), los
colectivos no tienen problemas en desviarse de las rutas establecidas para
tomar o dejar pasajeros, incluso pasandose a otras comunas (todo, por
supuesto, con un cargo adicional).
Sin duda, los puntos de origen y destino pueden ser de utilidad... más allá
de eso, no estoy seguro






Exequiel Gaete Pavez


On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Danilo Lacoste  wrote:

> hace varios años q tengo las mismas dudas.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:22 AM Cristián Serpell 
> wrote:
>
>> Hola Daniel.
>>
>> The few times I was in Chile visiting relatives, I noticed that the
>>> primary way to travel distances that are slightly too long to walk
>>> is to take a colectivo. I was told they have to drive on specific
>>> routes attached to their licenses. The locals just know where they
>>> are driving but for tourists like me there is no information. Searching
>>> on the internet all I could find about the routes are 7 years old PDFs
>>> on www.subtrans.cl that list the number of the lines, the communities
>>> and the responsible companies and the website www.ubicatucolectivo.cl
>>> that overlays Google Maps with a clickable polygon for each line. But
>>> it looks like the site with the maps has not been maintained in a long
>>> time.
>>>
>>
>> La verdad es que es díficil encontrar más información que esa en
>> internet. Yo no he visto más. Incluso para recorridos de buses, la
>> información suele estar desactualizada.
>>
>> So I was wondering, are there any attempts to add information about
>>> colectivo routes to OpenStreetMap? Is there any up to date official
>>> information about the routes? And if one was about to add information,
>>> what would be the correct tag values? route=bus?
>>>
>>
>> No lo sé, vamos qué opinan los demás.
>>
>> Saludos,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Idées rendu des mers

[Francois Gouget]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019, Francois Gouget wrote:
[...]
> Il y a peut-être le même problème sur d'autres pays... à moins que ce ne 
> soit spécifique aux îles. Peut-être même que ça pourrait être une 
> vérification Osmose.

On peut avoir le même genre de divergence entre la relation boundary 
d'une ville et le noeud place=city/town/etc. Le noeud est facilement 
identifiable à partir de la relation donc vérifier la concordence des 
champs name serait une bonne vérification dans Osmose.

Par exemple Tórshavn :

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2098985
-> 3 traductions

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/29023813
-> 36 traductions !


Dans la même veine wikipedia pourrait être utilisé pour identifier les 
traduction manquantes. Par exemple la relation boundary indique 
wikipedia=fo:Tórshavn. Or cette page a été traduite en Français, ce qui 
nous apprend que le nom Français est "Torshavn".

Là encore un module Osmose proposant des traductions obtenues à partir 
de Wikipedia serait bien pratique (même si cela poserait probablement 
des problèmes de performance).


D'ailleurs le noeud place=town a name:fr=Tórshavn (avec l'accent) ce qui 
contredit Wikipedia. Il y a probablement l'un des deux qui a tort...



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Re: [talk-cz] Hromadná editace/úkol pro všechny? Bylo: Seznam vodních ploch se špatnou kategoriií

[Michal Poupa]

jsem to tak nějak předpokládal :-)

čt 31. 1. 2019 v 15:19 odesílatel majka  napsal:
>
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 13:59, Michal Poupa michal.po...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Mám ještě jeden dotaz k čemu je dobrý tag landcover=water ze
> předpokladu že je nastaven natural=water a water=reservoir
>
> K ničemu.
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Re: [talk-cz] Hromadná editace/úkol pro všechny? Bylo: Seznam vodních ploch se špatnou kategoriií

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On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 13:59, Michal Poupa michal.po...@gmail.com wrote:

Mám ještě jeden dotaz k čemu je dobrý tag landcover=water ze
předpokladu že je nastaven natural=water a water=reservoir

K ničemu.

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Re: [Talk-br] Obtida numeração predial da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre

[Fernando Trebien]

Legal. O DataPoa já disponibilizava o endereço inicial e final de cada
quadra, com o qual poderíamos importar os endereços na forma de
interpoladores. Com este conjunto, talvez possamos importar cada
endereço individual. Uma pena os dados estarem num formato
proprietário (MDB), mas acho que podemos contornar isso. Eu gostaria
de olhar esses dados para ver que qualidade têm e se têm problemas,
onde podem ser baixados? É interessante saber ao menos como estão
posicionados os endereços em relação aos lotes. Das discussões sobre a
importação dos endereços em Curitiba [1] me parece comum que sejam
colocados no centróide dos lotes, embora o consenso é de que devem ser
movidos para a face deles [2].

A maioria dos conjuntos de dados de endereços que vi até hoje costumam
ter problemas de precisão, ou de cadastro (nomes de ruas erradas ou
nomes antigos). No segundo caso, uma importação pelo JOSM deve
apresentar erros de validação. Acho que faria sentido sanar esses
problemas antes de inserir os dados no mapa.

Esses sistemas de coordenadas obscuros (nacionais, que não estão
disponíveis nas ferramentas livres) também merecem ser melhor
documentados para que qualquer um possa verificar a conversão para um
sistema amplamente usado internacionalmente. Acho que o que você chama
de CRS TMPOA deve ser o mesmo que a lei chama de SCR-POA [3].

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/2018-November/012460.html
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Curitiba/Importa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_IPPUC
[3] 
https://leismunicipais.com.br/a/rs/p/porto-alegre/decreto/2013/1831/18315/decreto-n-18315-2013-institui-o-sistema-cartografico-de-referencia-de-porto-alegre-scr-poa

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 11:47 AM Sérgio V.  wrote:
>
> Prezados/as,
>
> Agradecendo inicialmente sobretudo ao Thierry Jean, que pelos contatos em 
> eventos conseguiu indicar as pessoas responsáveis nos órgãos públicos, aqui 
> no caso no setor de Coordenação de Geoprocessamento, da Secretaria Municipal 
> da Fazenda / Prefeitura Municipal de Porto Alegre.
> Ajudam muito estes contatos para auxiliar aos respectivos organismos 
> conhecerem a utilidade e importância de disponibilizarem os dados ao OSM, bem 
> como auxiliar a nós demais membros da comunidade no caminho dos processos 
> para obtê-los efetivamente, nas variadas dimensões de colaboração ao OSM.
>
> Sendo assim, conforme indicado, protocolei em 09/01/2019 abertura de Processo 
> Administrativo comum, como pessoa física, na Prefeitura Municipal de Porto 
> Alegre.
> Em despacho final hoje 30/01/2019 (20 dias ao todo), a Prefeitura autorizou o 
> uso do material nas condições requeridas do OSM, e liberou o material para 
> download com link temporário no processo.
> Baixado o material. Veio compactado em .7z 88,0MB.
> Descompactado, são 515 MB em 01 arquivo .mdb, contendo 16 planilhas.
> Pelo que vi inicialmente, georreferenciadas em coordenadas UTM metros (deve 
> estar em CRS TMPOA, padrão da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre dentro do sistema 
> SIRGAS2000).
> A examinar mais.
>
> Próximos passos são, a princípio:
> -examinar e organizar o material, preparando em proposta de importação 
> segundo padrões do OSM;
> -realizar os testes necessários e examinar compatibilização com o existente 
> no OSM;
> -abrir uma página wiki própria (sugestão de nome e indexação?) contendo a 
> documentação com comprovação de liberação da Prefeitura, e demais descrições 
> técnicas do material e da proposta de importação, pubicando assim para 
> apreciação da comunidade OSM no Brasil;
> -obter aprovação formal da comunidade OSM no Brasil;
> -proceder à execução da importação;
> -eventuais outras etapas que se mostrarem necessárias.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Re: [talk-cz] Hromadná editace/úkol pro všechny? Bylo: Seznam vodních ploch se špatnou kategoriií

[Michal Poupa]

Mám ještě jeden dotaz k čemu je dobrý tag landcover=water  ze
předpokladu že je nastaven natural=water  a water=reservoir

 Michal

st 30. 1. 2019 v 19:40 odesílatel Michal Poupa  napsal:
>
> jinak u některých rybníků jsem našel toto:
>
> pridani tagů natural=water; water=pond k některým rybníkům...
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_details
>
> Edited over 7 years ago by Karry
> Version #3 · Changeset #8153327
>
> toto přidalo natural=water; water=pond ale už bohužel neodebralo tag
> landuse=reservoir
>
> ten skript tedy také nadělal paseku ale šlo by to opravit skripetem ,,,
>
> st 30. 1. 2019 v 9:45 odesílatel Michal Poupa  napsal:
> >
> > Jak kde se to renderuje dobře ...
> >
> > út 29. 1. 2019 v 23:21 odesílatel Pavel Machek  napsal:
> > >
> > > Ahoj!
> > >
> > > > Ty největší rybníky a přehrady jsem opravil je toho dohně na ty malé
> > > > je třeba udělt pomoci robota - ano to landuse=reservoir vzniklo to
> > > > nějakým importem.
> > >
> > > Tak robot znamena debatu na imports@ listu...
> > >
> > > ...kterou by nebylo spatny udelat (idealne jeste pred tim nez se
> > > udelali zmeny na tech velkejch). landuse=reservoir je sice deprecated,
> > > ale ted se to renderuje dobre, a bylo by dobry to nerozbit...
> > > 
> > > Pavel
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Idées rendu des mers

[Francois Gouget]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019, Adrien Grellier wrote:
[...]
> – Rendu OSM-FR :
> http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=4=59.05751=-18.29251=BFF
[...]
> La carte OpenStreetMap est totalement indigente : Aucune mers
> n'apparaît, les principales îles n'ont plus (Féroé, Orcades,
> Terre-Neuves, etc.), seuls les pays apparaissent, mais dans la langue du
> pays.

Effectivement. "Island" m'a surpris sur la carte OSM-FR. En fait on voit 
"Islande" puis lorsqu'on zoome il est remplacé par "Island".

J'ai regardé et la relation boundary suivante a le champ name:fr et 
plein d'autres).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/299133

Mais en creusant plus la relation multipolygon ci-dessous ne l'avait pas 
et je soupçonne que c'est la raison pour laquelle on avait "Island" en 
zoomant.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7681889

J'ai ajouté le name:fr et on verra si ça aide (j'aurais peut-êter dû 
copier la douzaine d'autres traduction tant que j'y étais. J'y 
reviendrait si ça aide).


Il y a peut-être le même problème sur d'autres pays... à moins que ce ne 
soit spécifique aux îles. Peut-être même que ça pourrait être une 
vérification Osmose.

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Re: [Talk-cl] Mapping colectivo routes

[Danilo Lacoste]

hace varios años q tengo las mismas dudas.


On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:22 AM Cristián Serpell  wrote:

> Hola Daniel.
>
> The few times I was in Chile visiting relatives, I noticed that the
>> primary way to travel distances that are slightly too long to walk
>> is to take a colectivo. I was told they have to drive on specific
>> routes attached to their licenses. The locals just know where they
>> are driving but for tourists like me there is no information. Searching
>> on the internet all I could find about the routes are 7 years old PDFs
>> on www.subtrans.cl that list the number of the lines, the communities
>> and the responsible companies and the website www.ubicatucolectivo.cl
>> that overlays Google Maps with a clickable polygon for each line. But
>> it looks like the site with the maps has not been maintained in a long
>> time.
>>
>
> La verdad es que es díficil encontrar más información que esa en internet.
> Yo no he visto más. Incluso para recorridos de buses, la información suele
> estar desactualizada.
>
> So I was wondering, are there any attempts to add information about
>> colectivo routes to OpenStreetMap? Is there any up to date official
>> information about the routes? And if one was about to add information,
>> what would be the correct tag values? route=bus?
>>
>
> No lo sé, vamos qué opinan los demás.
>
> Saludos,
> Cristián
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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Driving Test Centres

[Tony Shield]

Summarising, which I shall write up and place on the wiki - 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines, 
creating a new section  - DVSA Tagging.


Sources:

Found this link https://www.dft.gov.uk/fyn/practical.php which is s 
search page for Driving Test Centres. Provides addresses and links to 
Google  and OSM maps.


Tagging Guideline:

Node

office=government

operator=DVSA

name=Chorley Driving Test Centre,  recommend a name but many of them do 
not have a sign on the outside, it may be on the DVSA website.


government=transportation

address tags as appropriate,.

TonyS999 -  Tony

On 28/01/2019 13:12, Paul Berry wrote:
(Moment of reflection.) Sorry, you're right, of course they're not. 
That'll teach me to attempt to multitask at work.


As you were.

Regards,
/Paul/

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 12:52, David Woolley 
mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk>> wrote:


On 28/01/2019 12:45, Paul Berry wrote:
> Does
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddriving_school
> not fit the bill?

Schools are closer to the poacher than the gamekeeper!  No.  I don't
think they are equivalent.

> Tag usage here:
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/tags/amenity=driving_school#map
>

Says that the tag is not sufficiently used to be mappable!

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Re: [Talk-cl] Mapping colectivo routes

[Cristián Serpell]

Hola Daniel.

The few times I was in Chile visiting relatives, I noticed that the
> primary way to travel distances that are slightly too long to walk
> is to take a colectivo. I was told they have to drive on specific
> routes attached to their licenses. The locals just know where they
> are driving but for tourists like me there is no information. Searching
> on the internet all I could find about the routes are 7 years old PDFs
> on www.subtrans.cl that list the number of the lines, the communities
> and the responsible companies and the website www.ubicatucolectivo.cl
> that overlays Google Maps with a clickable polygon for each line. But
> it looks like the site with the maps has not been maintained in a long
> time.
>

La verdad es que es díficil encontrar más información que esa en internet.
Yo no he visto más. Incluso para recorridos de buses, la información suele
estar desactualizada.

So I was wondering, are there any attempts to add information about
> colectivo routes to OpenStreetMap? Is there any up to date official
> information about the routes? And if one was about to add information,
> what would be the correct tag values? route=bus?
>

No lo sé, vamos qué opinan los demás.

Saludos,
Cristián
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Re: [Talk-it] marciapiedi e strisce pedonali

[Simone Saviolo]

Il giorno gio 31 gen 2019 alle ore 00:52 Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> > Così facendo però perdi l'informazione sul tipo di attraversamento
> (pedonale o ciclopedonale).
> non ci sono attraversamenti ciclopedonali, forse 1 c’è, ma generalmente
> non ci sono.
>

Io vedo diversi attraversamenti con le classiche strisce "interrotte", che
indicano l'attraversamento pedonale e ciclabile. Tipo così ([1]) ma uniti.

Ciao,

Simone

[1]
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.3227208,8.41836,3a,75y,206.53h,64.35t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siar_AjBgt76cKCJyHDOqAA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Diar_AjBgt76cKCJyHDOqAA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D358.7515%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?

[flaminiatumino]

Anche io! A lunedì!
Flaminia 

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> On 31 Jan 2019, at 11:04, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 Jan 2019, at 11:32, Marcello Pelato  wrote:
>> 
>> E io che ho detto  Lunedì 4 ore 20:00/20:30 La Strada.
>> Allora?
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Io ci sarò.
> 
> Un saluto,
> Martin
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 11:12, Tony Shield  wrote:

> A difficulty with crossing is that it focuses purely on the drivers 
> perspective.

I disagree. If I need to cross a road, as a pedestrian (especially if
I am using a wheeled mode of transport like a wheelchair, pushchair or
barrow), I want to find a crossing.

> Where there is tactile paving, or coloured paving

There is not, in the cases at hand. Did you view the Google Street
View page I linked to?

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[talk-cz] Prihlaseni do spolku OSM CR z.s. + clenske prispevky zakladajicich clenu

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj,

rad bych pripomel, ze proces prihlasovani do spolku je jiz nastaven,
informace jsou na webu zde:

https://openstreetmap.cz/spolek

takze, pokud jeste cleny nejste, budeme radi za vasi prihlasku.

Zaroven bych rad pozadal stavajici cleny z valne hromady, kteri nemaji
zaplaceny clensky prispevek, aby jej poslali, instrukce jsou stejne
jako pro nove cleny (tj. take na webu spolku) a vyplnili a poslali
(alespon elektronicky, pokud je problem papirove) i prihlasku at mame
kompletni stejne udaje pro vsechny cleny bez rozdilu zpusobu
prihlaseni.

(jakmile se dokonci prvni vlna prihlasek, zacneme resit mimo jine
local chapter s Nadaci OSM)

Za radu spolku predem diky.
tom.k

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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[Tony Shield]

Guys
   A difficulty with crossing is that it focuses purely on the drivers
   perspective. Where there is tactile paving, or coloured paving
   surely the crossing is marked for the pedestrian/wheelchair user and
   people with restricted sight. I think that the coloured/tactile
   paving constitutes markings for the pedestrian, a driver can also
   see them so is the crossing unmarked?

crossing=unmarked
   A crossing without road markings or traffic lights
TonyS999
   Tony Shield

On 31/01/2019 10:53, SK53 wrote:

It wasn't meant to be off list!

Jerry

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 10:35, Andy Mabbett > wrote:


On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 19:10, Rob Nickerson
mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> It somewhat depends on what you are trying to map.
>
> The kerb=* tag on the wiki page you linked to is for when
mapping a crossing.
[...]

Thank you. I've also had an off-list reply saying:

   For crossings on single carriageway roads I would standardly just
   tag the highway=crossing node with the relevant tags, usually
   tactile_paving and kerb tags, like this
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2303780892.

I am looking to tag dropped kerbs in two circumstances; in places that
look like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/UnBiAsxgCFR2

Sometimes, there are two crossings adjacent, or nearly adjacent,
making a place convenient as an informal crossing point for
wheelchairs, pushchairs, barrows, etc.

Often, however, there is a dropped kerb on one side, but not the
other, That's still useful info someone needs to drop off a wheelchair
user, for example.

On a simple, single-line way, I had envisioned nodes with
something like:

    kerb=dropped
    droped-kerb=both
    crossing=unmarked

or:

    kerb=dropped
    droped-kerb=left

respectively.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[SK53]

It wasn't meant to be off list!

Jerry

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 10:35, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 19:10, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
>
> > It somewhat depends on what you are trying to map.
> >
> > The kerb=* tag on the wiki page you linked to is for when mapping a
> crossing.
> [...]
>
> Thank you. I've also had an off-list reply saying:
>
>For crossings on single carriageway roads I would standardly just
>tag the highway=crossing node with the relevant tags, usually
>tactile_paving and kerb tags, like this
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2303780892.
>
> I am looking to tag dropped kerbs in two circumstances; in places that
> look like this:
>
>https://goo.gl/maps/UnBiAsxgCFR2
>
> Sometimes, there are two crossings adjacent, or nearly adjacent,
> making a place convenient as an informal crossing point for
> wheelchairs, pushchairs, barrows, etc.
>
> Often, however, there is a dropped kerb on one side, but not the
> other, That's still useful info someone needs to drop off a wheelchair
> user, for example.
>
> On a simple, single-line way, I had envisioned nodes with something like:
>
> kerb=dropped
> droped-kerb=both
> crossing=unmarked
>
> or:
>
> kerb=dropped
> droped-kerb=left
>
> respectively.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 19:10, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> It somewhat depends on what you are trying to map.
>
> The kerb=* tag on the wiki page you linked to is for when mapping a crossing.
[...]

Thank you. I've also had an off-list reply saying:

   For crossings on single carriageway roads I would standardly just
   tag the highway=crossing node with the relevant tags, usually
   tactile_paving and kerb tags, like this
   https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2303780892.

I am looking to tag dropped kerbs in two circumstances; in places that
look like this:

   https://goo.gl/maps/UnBiAsxgCFR2

Sometimes, there are two crossings adjacent, or nearly adjacent,
making a place convenient as an informal crossing point for
wheelchairs, pushchairs, barrows, etc.

Often, however, there is a dropped kerb on one side, but not the
other, That's still useful info someone needs to drop off a wheelchair
user, for example.

On a simple, single-line way, I had envisioned nodes with something like:

kerb=dropped
droped-kerb=both
crossing=unmarked

or:

kerb=dropped
droped-kerb=left

respectively.

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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?

[Marcello Pelato via Talk-it-lazio]

 E io che ho detto  Lunedì 4 ore 20:00/20:30 La Strada.Allora?
On Monday, January 28, 2019, 9:28:51 AM GMT+1,  
wrote:  
 
 Intendi lunedì 4?Flaminia 

Sent from my iPhone
On 27 Jan 2019, at 08:44, Marcello Pelato  wrote:


 Quindi per il 7 va bene a tutti e due?(Almeno tra quelli che hanno risposto...)
On Friday, January 25, 2019, 7:50:23 PM GMT+1,  
wrote:  
 
 Arghh io lunedì 28 non ci sono, potrei il lunedì dopo!

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> On 25 Jan 2019, at 19:12, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> 
> per me andrebbe bene il lunedì 28 :)
> 
> Ciao,
> Martin
>   
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[Talk-it] Notizia legata a due recenti thread

[Sergio Farruggia]

Seguo con interesse questi due thread recenti
- Perché si guadagna di più non importando cecamente i dati ufficiali
- Amazon logistic contribuisce a OSM

Credo che questa notizia possa essere messa in relazione con i temi discussi

https://medium.com/tantotanto/listituto-dati-aperti-sprona-il-governo-chiedi-a-google-apple-e-uber-di-condividere-i-dati-9827c88a0692

Buona giornata


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