Re: [Talk-transit] SotM: tram network of Milano

2018-07-28 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, the code is public available as part of the Overpass API repository and has always been. A pointer to the main file is: https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/blob/minor_issues/src/pt_diagrams/topographic.cc I'm sorry for the confusion. "not publicly announced" shall mean that

Re: [Talk-transit] stop_position proposal

2018-04-16 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, as a follow-up a statistic about whether highway=bus_stop is rather used on-street or off-street. The vast majority is (now) mapping bus stops off the street. The numbers vary, 99% of all bus stops in United Kingdom are mapped off street, about 80%-90% in France, Italy, and Germany.

[Talk-transit] stop_position proposal

2018-04-16 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, there is another proposal, distinct from Polyglot's proposal that is in RFC since some days: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Drop_stop_positions_and_platforms Before I tell a personal opinion, I would like to present some related facts. The basic idea is to

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for simplification of mapping public transport

2018-04-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Polyglot, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport_map_all_stops_as_nodes I do agree that it would be easier for everyone to have one and only one member on the line relation per actual stop. However, trains and sometimes also trams can have a significant

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Roland Olbricht
ntually resigned. There is quite a vocal part of the community concerned with more rural-style services, and they have defeated so far all apporaches to metropolitan style information to OSM. Best regards, Roland -- Dr. Roland Olbricht MENTZ GmbH, Am Mittelhafen 10, 48155 Münster T: +49 (0)251 7

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
I'm sorry if I was unclear. I didn't mean that one person should just blindly dump every GTFS feed into OSM and leave it to others to clean up. I was thinking of something that an individual mapper could use to import the feed(s) in their particular area and resolve conflicts or errors before

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, OTOH, this doesn't seem like a huge problem if we're importing the data from elsewhere using automated tools and only tweaking by hand where it's wrong--and ideally, there should be some sort of feedback mechanism to get the source corrected so even that's a short-term problem. Well,

Re: [Talk-transit] Tagging of railway station

2013-12-07 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, 1. Position of tag railway=station There are currently two approaches [1]: (i) on a node within the main concourse area (ii) on an area encompassing the land used for passenger services (including any concourse, platforms and associated tracks) I strongly opt for (i). As you have

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-02 Thread Roland Olbricht
First of all, it's great to see that the list comes back to life again. I hope we can use the enthusiasm to solve some of the problems that have hade public transport mapping so tedious. One of the core issues is that there are very different concepts of what makes up a bus service. In the

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS compatibility

2010-07-01 Thread Roland Olbricht
But we are still in the thinking-about-this stage, haven't made any decisions, and are looking for suggestions and comments (hence this posting). Let me make a suggestion: instead of producing duplicates and leaving mappers with the frustrating task of tiding up, you could use JOSM to do a

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed changes to oxomoa schema [part 1]

2010-06-28 Thread Roland Olbricht
those two would meet in point A, from which the branch line sets off/rejoins the core line. So a hypothetical future route-finding algorithm would follow different_route to its end, upon meeting core line it would continue along. It just doesn't work. Having an unordered relation or even

Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stops in North America from GTFS data

2010-06-10 Thread Roland Olbricht
You may want to follow British/German standard. There is a tag that identifies stops uniquely, sorry can't recall at the moment. The last time I saw it was Siegburg/Bonn train station. Do you mean the ref tag as on node 160621? I'd strongly advice not to follow that way. The ref has also

[Talk-transit] Annoucement: Plugin for JOSM enhanced

2010-04-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, the Public Transport plug-in for JOSM has been enhanced to simplify the mapping of stops and stations. You can now convert a GPX file semi- automatically to (bus) stops in the map, just with a few keystrokes. The reworked documentation is available at

Re: [Talk-transit] [Sketch-line] suggestion of improvement

2010-03-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Suggestion of improvement Sketch-line from an example : http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-line?network=Ginkoref=7correspondences=100 The ways forward and backward are not on the same streets for the line 7 in Besançon. The Scheme * relation:line ** relation:route ** relation:route is very

[Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, to encourage mapping public transport, Tiziano and I have developed a line diagram generator that displays nice diagrams from (sufficiently properly mapped) bus routes. A showroom example is http://78.46.81.38/misc/showroom.svg generated by the URL

[Talk-transit] RFC on interchanging data

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, What is the consensus on how to map interchange data? I would like connect two (or more) bus stops and/or railway stations to indicate that you can preferably change vehicles there (e.g. the bus stop(s) that is/are intended to change into a nearby train station). This is often

Re: [Talk-transit] Help: Bus Stop Data Extraction for Bus Routing Service

2010-02-09 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear Grace, We would like to extract public transport data for public transit routing service in Sweden. This will be a difficult, maybe impossible task at the moment. Public transport data are a complicated matter. Most important for you might be that there is no timetable information in

Re: [Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2010-02-06 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, thank you for trying the plugin. Cool. So far I've seen a new menu item Public transport having appearing in my main menu. Anything else to discover? No, that's all so far. At the moment, the plugin facilitates to build bus services when the underlying streets and bus stops already

Re: [Talk-transit] OSM / OPNV-Karte to Excel/SVG

2010-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Am Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2010 00:16:18 schrieb Tiziano D'Angelo: Hello to everyone! As another bonus to the work done, I'd love to export the data of each route relation first to some excel/text/CSV file or database where I can see lat/long + name of the stop in the correct forward/backward

Re: [Talk-transit] bus route/relations done right

2009-11-17 Thread Roland Olbricht
Can I suggest we define some terms. A Line is all the journeys made using a particular reference (4, X13, Citi1 etc). [...] A Line Variant (also know as a Service Variant) is a unique stopping pattern for a bunch of Journeys within a Line. (ie inbound, outbound, inbound via the school,