[Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread Clay Smalley
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16078863 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16080822 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16495595 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16497029 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16540719 I've tried to be civil

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
What's your more specific concern, and what wording have you tried? Is your concern the future shopping centers as a concept, or the way they are tagged? On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16078863

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread Clay Smalley
They seem to put in a lot of future things using tags that imply something is currently there. On top of that, they use the wrong tags (landuse=industrial instead of landuse=retail). They've also screwed up a bit of TX 71 and US 290, removing them from relations, in an erroneous attempt to make

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread James Mast
I'll let his comments here[1] on a note page speak. - James [1] - http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/3173 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-us] Parsing web map URLs (Re: dirty2osm)

2013-06-25 Thread Mark Gray
I have spent some time adding the ability to go to and from web map URLs in my program for viewing tiled maps. The source code is available at: http://code.google.com/p/vataviamap/source/browse/trunk/VataviaMap/Shared/clsServer.vb The part that parses web map URLs is: Private Const

[Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
There seems to be some disagreement on how to handle the super-two (or super-four s California has a few of) highways. These highways are two lanes, one each way (or four lanes, two each way) with no central division or median, but freeway-like connecting ramps. Examples would be long stretches

[Talk-us] Route Relation Tagging, again (was Re: ref tags)

2013-06-25 Thread Phil! Gold
* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2013-06-24 09:11 -0500]: network=US:I modifier=Future * James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com [2013-06-25 00:15 -0400]: Now, I'm going to initially use the following to tag the Future segments inside of relations: network=US:I:Future However, somebody else

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-25 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/25/13 10:40 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm under the understanding that the consensus for a motorway would be fully multiple (at minimum 2) carriageway with limited access, whereas a trunk would be any motorway that doesn't meet that criteria (intersections, single carriageway, etc). Could I

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
I prefer the modifier proposal, since it prevents Future from being confused with a county level network. On Jun 24, 2013 11:16 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Later tonight, I'm planning on splitting up the relations for the following Interstates (I-26, I-73, I-74) in North

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-25 Thread Phil! Gold
* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org [2013-06-25 09:40 -0500]: There seems to be some disagreement on how to handle the super-two (or super-four s California has a few of) highways. [snip] I'm under the understanding that the consensus for a motorway would be fully multiple (at minimum 2)

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-25 Thread Martijn van Exel
But that would not apply to the Interstate network, which otherwise has no 'children', right? If the modifier paradigm also applies to State Routes, then there would be the possibility of confusion between US:UT:Future as a future state route and US:UT:Future as a county highway in 'Future

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Not likely but not entirely out of the possibility given some regional (above county, below state) names, which would be an issue if we were to bring bike networks into the hierarchical scheme (which seems like a good idea since the US has some rather complex hierarchy of bike networks that don't

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread stevea
Oh, that is rich: NE2 saying that somebody ELSE has a history of gun-jumping Wow, the mote in one's eye! SteveA California I'll let his comments here[1] on a note page speak. - James [1] -

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-25 Thread richiekennedy56
I'm a little late to the party here, but I am involved in this question. I have marked US 169 between Iola and Chanute as Motorway because, although it is a super-two, it is fully controlled access along this segment. I believe this is consistent with the way most commercial map-makers would

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread Ian Dees
Folks, talk-us@ is a place for discussion, not personal attacks. If you have a problem with a particular user, contact the user and if they don't respond e-mail d...@osmfoundation.org. Do not come here to laugh at anyone or their contributions to our dataset. -Your friendly talk-us@ mod On

Re: [Talk-us] dirty2osm

2013-06-25 Thread Alex Barth
LOVE IT!!! This should be a Chrome plugin. Open any map in OSM at the right zoom level at a single mouse click or keyboard shortcut. Just throwing this out there, I _have_ read the GitHub sign :-) On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: Before I whine about what

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread stevea
Folks, talk-us@ is a place for discussion, not personal attacks. If you have a problem with a particular user, contact the user and if they don't respond e-mail mailto:d...@osmfoundation.orgd...@osmfoundation.org. Apologies to all. I did/do not wish to attack anybody, just note what seemed

Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

2013-06-25 Thread Steven Johnson
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: At SOTM-US (State of the Map US) I spoke to Steven Johnson of the Census Bureau on the issue of what data USPS actually has internally (as the Census Bureau has some special licensed access to this data). Yes, just

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread Ian Dees
SteveA, This message is completely off topic and goes in direct contradiction with my previous message. You have been temporarily moderated as a result. -Your friendly talk-us@ mod On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:55 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: ** Folks, talk-us@ is a place for

Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

2013-06-25 Thread Carl Anderson
Steve, On a more technical level ZIP Code Tabulation Areas (ZCTA5) are statistical areas that are built using a predominant ZIP Code method. The predominant ZIP Code for addresses within a Face (Faces combine into Blocks) is assigned to the Face. Then a complex algorithm in-fills ZCTA5

Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

2013-06-25 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
Part of the reason that the USPS disavows a geographic boundary for ZIP Codes is that they often keep residential delivery and commercial delivery and high-rise delivery (having apts or suites) separate even when they are next to each other on the street. This can be confusing if you

Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

2013-06-25 Thread Brian May
The USPS site referenced below has zipcode polygons and postal delivery routes overlaid on an interactive map along with the number of residences and business each route serves. Search for a zipcode or an address to get started. https://eddm.usps.com/eddm/customer/routeSearch.action It looks

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-25 Thread stevea
Paul Johnson writes: Not likely but not entirely out of the possibility given some regional (above county, below state) names, which would be an issue if we were to bring bike networks into the hierarchical scheme (which seems like a good idea since the US has some rather complex hierarchy

[Talk-us] access restriction, water only: How to tag?

2013-06-25 Thread Thomas Colson
I'm tagging some camp sites as boat=yes to imply water access only, but I don't think this is right. Is there a water-only access tag? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread stevea
In the most sincere way: apology accepted. I truly will be quite careful to follow these (and all talk-us) guidelines in the future to avoid misunderstandings. SteveA California SteveA, I apologize for jumping on your post so quickly. I was frustrated that you posted an off-topic comment

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:48 PM, richiekenned...@gmail.com wrote: I have marked US 169 between Iola and Chanute as Motorway because, although it is a super-two, it is fully controlled access along this segment. I believe this is consistent with the way most commercial map-makers would mark

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-25 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/25/13 8:49 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: It's not the number of lanes that makes the distinction, but the character of the road. People don't expect an undivided motorway, but describing it as a trunk will cue most renderers to go for something motorway-like but not quite there. A super-two

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:29 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: I'll let his comments here[1] on a note page speak Again, all I see is a well meaning user who very clearly is not yet absorbed OSM culture. There is no belligerence, just a bit of confusion. The tools could

Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-25 Thread Clay Smalley
I agree that OSM needs to be more noob-proof than Wikipedia. Erroneously changing one thing on Wikipedia won't make much of a difference, whereas erroneously changing one thing on OSM could throw off a lot of software that depends on the data being correct. There's only so far OpenStreetMap can go

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-25 Thread Chris Lawrence
A true super two freeway, with no at-grade intersections whatsoever, would be properly classified as a motorway under global OSM tagging conventions. These may not be particularly common in the U.S. (although they exist), but they are common enough around the world to be consistent. Sorta-I-93