Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-15 Thread John Eldredge
Non-motorized vehicles refers to vehicles that neither have a motor of their own or are towed or propelled by a motorized vehicle. Examples would be horse-drawn carriages, nonmotorized rickshaws, carts pulled by pedestrians, etc. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-15 Thread John Eldredge
Interstate highways (motorways, in UK terms) in the eastern USA often ban motor-driven cycles, bicycles, and other low-speed traffic. Mopeds are required to have a governor that limits them to a top speed of 25 miles per hour. In return, they don't require a driver's license to operate. --

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-02 Thread Elliott Plack
I've also been researching this with some local traffic engineers / road fans. There are still instances of this sign being posted, mostly on dirt roads where the DOT does not want tracked vehicles like bulldozers--or tanks--to drive them. That said, I don't see an applicable access restriction

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-02 Thread Elliott Plack
Reading from http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-04-28/html/2011-10258.htm > The FHWA's current definition of a motorcycle is two-fold: (1) Motorcycles, and (2) motor bicycles and scooters. The specific language for defining motorcycles, provided in FHWA's Guide, follows: >Item I.E.2.

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Harald Kliems wrote: > Very useful, Simon. Thanks! > > Slightly OT: Can anybody explain what R5-5, "No vehicles with lugs" means? > I'm assuming it doesn't refer to vehicles like this >

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > I've changed the relevant tags to moped=no. Any opinion on if mopeds would > be included in "motor vehicles"? I don't think I've ever seen a mofa in the > states (I find people on Vespas in the states already fairly brave)

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-02 Thread Simon Poole
Well ... the definitions are very fuzzy (this is just so that you are aware that there is potential for conflict): mopeds* are in general just low displacement motorcycles, historically with pedals , but that is typically no longer a legal requirement. For example there are scooters that fall in

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-01 Thread Greg Morgan
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Harald Kliems wrote: > Very useful, Simon. Thanks! > > Slightly OT: Can anybody explain what R5-5, "No vehicles with lugs" means? > I'm assuming it doesn't refer to vehicles like this >

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-01 Thread Simon Poole
Ben See http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ Your point is exactly why I'm asking for feedback. Particularly vehicle classifications tend to differ quite a bit between countries, even in those that are signatories to the Vienna convention (which the US is not). Simon Am 01.12.2015 um 15:22 schrieb Ben

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-01 Thread Simon Poole
I've changed the relevant tags to moped=no. Any opinion on if mopeds would be included in "motor vehicles"? I don't think I've ever seen a mofa in the states (I find people on Vespas in the states already fairly brave) but what about pedelecs and similar? Simon Am 01.12.2015 um 15:36 schrieb

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-01 Thread Harald Kliems
Very useful, Simon. Thanks! Slightly OT: Can anybody explain what R5-5, "No vehicles with lugs" means? I'm assuming it doesn't refer to vehicles like this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MyBrrEGexIg/TEIogw5nrdI/AFk/Jl7SF5tfQV0/s1600/L9990154.JPG Harald. On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:20 AM Simon

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-01 Thread Elliott Plack
Ben, I believe you're right, nice catch! "Motor bicycles and scooters: Mopeds should be included with motor-driven cycles (motor bicycles) in the States" ( http://mrf.org/library2/index.php/legislation-language/definitions/definition-motorcycle/fhwa-reclassification-of-motorcycles/ )

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-01 Thread Elliott Plack
Simon, Great work so far! I enjoy reading the MUTCD (nerd alert). I'll think of some things to add. So far I think we could include the no hazmat signs ( http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/fig2b_30_longdesc.htm) which are governed by the key:hazmat tag (

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-01 Thread Ben Miller
I'm not familiar with the MUTCD, and a little Googling didn't get me any clarification, but I'm guessing that "motor-driven cycles" refers to mopeds and such, not to motorcycles. On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Simon Poole wrote: > To give us all a break from the usual political