RE: window-eyes open source?

Iagree. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 11:54 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: window-eyes open source? Just because

RE: window-eyes open source?

The problem is that FS has too much of a monopoly in the paid market. Monopolies are illegal. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 8:51 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Re: window-eyes open source?

Just because something dominates a market, doesn't mean it is a monopoly. On 9/10/2017 11:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > The problem is that FS has too much of a monopoly in the paid market. > Monopolies are illegal. > -Original Message- > From: Talk

RE: window-eyes open source?

It is far from being as good as jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Subject: Re: window-eyes open source? NVDA is

Re: window-eyes open source?

Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple of days after the anouncement of the discontinued development of WinEyes. I will get back to what Doug said back then. First of all, let's take a quick look at facts. Had it been as easy as WinEyes would have been a stand-alone software, with

Re: window-eyes open source?

NVDA, has been developed under a GPL (General Public License) program, ensuring it will forever stay open-sourced. This has to be done from the very first minute, and it does require full transparency of the code, from day one. The way WinEyes was developed, and sold, will have blocked for it

RE: question about re installing wineyes

If that will happens that WE become an open source product that will be the miracle of the century. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:04 AM To:

Re: window-eyes open source?

I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their business profits? If free open source NVDA would become way more popular than jaws and would still be open source? On 9/10/2017 2:54 AM, David wrote: Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple of days after the

Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support. On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote: It would hurt the sales of

Re: question about re installing wineyes

you know what? The only other screen reader that comes close, historically-speaking, to NVDA's power, flexibility, and affordability, in my opinion, would have to be the old ASAP screen reader and tinyTalk screen readers for ms-DOS. Both NVDA and ASAP and tinyTalk for ms-dos dos can do stuff

Re: question about re installing wineyes

Because it is direct competition, and that is why they bought it to begin with. Why do you think they filed the law suit against gw micro? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes

RE: question about re installing wineyes

I can assure you that that is on the list of things for NVAccess. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:11 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Josh Kennedy Subject:

Re: question about re installing wineyes

As I understand it, the install program is created with the imbeded serial number and is unique to that number. If I purchased an upgrade, using my serial number, it wouldn't install over a window-eyes with a different number. It isn't like jaws where you input the number, the number is

Re: window-eyes open source?

That's a lot to ask of a non-profit making institution which likely does not have the budget to market its product. On 9/10/2017 1:07 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote: > I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their business > profits? If free open source NVDA would become way

Re: question about re installing wineyes

Did you ask the NVDA developers about adding network installs and citrix support? -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 6:33 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Josh Kennedy Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes thing is

RE: question about re installing wineyes

Well, JAWS won't be around forever. And it won't last for a while. Besides, NVDA is slowly attracting JAWS users, and sooner or later JAWS users will get smaller. In fact, I can see organizations, such as bookstores, etc use NVDA in the future. -Original Message- From: Talk

Re: window-eyes open source?

Perhaps someone in side the vfo group can leak the source code. This is what happened several years back with the telegard bbs software. It became renegade! -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 6:19 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc:

Re: App updates

yes, I still use only we. On 9/6/2017 06:35, gosselin_louis via Talk wrote: Yes, I, too, would be interested Louis Gosselin gosselin_lo...@myfairpoint.net -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom

Re: question about re installing wineyes

It would hurt the sales of JAWS. - Original Message - From: Russ Kiehne via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Russ Kiehne Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy

Re: question about re installing wineyes

Why? On 9/9/2017 9:11 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote: > when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source > otherwise it will be lost to time. > > On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi Russ and all, >> >> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name

Re: question about re installing wineyes

I have a friend of mine who is using a copy of window eyes that doesn't belong to him. He put in a phony name and it worked. The serial number is filled in for you. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 9:47 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion

Re: question about re installing wineyes

Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the public domain? This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Rod Hutton Subject:

Re: window-eyes open source?

NVDA doesn't have to market its product very much these days, social media and things like that probably get the product out there. On 9/10/2017 2:38 PM, Nick Sarames wrote: That's a lot to ask of a non-profit making institution which likely does not have the budget to market its product.

RE: window-eyes open source?

Your giving it more credit then it deserves. It doesn't cut into jaws as much as you claim. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 9:40 PM To: Window-Eyes

RE: window-eyes open source?

I don't see that happening. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:08 PM To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Josh Kennedy Subject: Re: window-eyes open

Re: question about re installing wineyes

On Sun, 9/10/17, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes To: "Russ Kiehne via Talk" Cc: "Butch Bussen" Date: Sunday, September

Re: window-eyes open source?

Why couldn't it happen? On 9/10/2017 3:47 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I don't see that happening. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:08 PM To:

Re: question about re installing wineyes

you know what? The only other screen reader that comes close, historically-speaking, to NVDA's power, flexibility, and affordability, in my opinion, would have to be the old ASAP screen reader and tinyTalk screen readers for ms-DOS. Both NVDA and ASAP and tinyTalk for ms-dos dos can do stuff

Re: window-eyes open source?

How well has Linux done in terms of penetrating the market? On 9/10/2017 4:23 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote: > Why couldn't it happen? > > > > On 9/10/2017 3:47 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> I don't see that happening. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >>

Re: window-eyes open source?

don't push it! i have heard that they are wanting to purchase nvda and thus killing it as well. Legend has it that on Sunday 9/10/2017 12:07 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk said: I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their business profits?

Re: window-eyes open source?

linux has done excellent penetrating the market, the mobile market that is. linux is on every android phone. and iPhones run a unixLike kernel. androids run a version of the linux kernel. on desktops linux is stuck in the past due to many more advanced things still making you need to use

Re: window-eyes open source?

like comparing appples and oranges, linux is fragmented, NVDA is not, two different things. On 9/10/2017 6:16 PM, Nick Sarames wrote: How well has Linux done in terms of penetrating the market? On 9/10/2017 4:23 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote: Why couldn't it happen? On 9/10/2017 3:47

Re: window-eyes open source?

When did you hear this and where is the proof that VFO wants to buy NVDA? On 9/10/2017 7:06 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote: where did you hear that from? and how can they purchase an open source product under the gpl? On 9/10/2017 7:15 PM, ratshtron via Talk wrote: don't push it! i have

Re: question about re installing wineyes

I have had the same Window Eyes serial number since I purchased WE version 4.1. If I got a new version on CD it would have my original serial number in the installation files. If I downloaded an upgrade from their web site I would have to impute my serial number to get permission to download

Re: window-eyes open source?

NVDA is not far from being as good as JAWS and I can see it happening that people will download the free program instead of paying hundreds of dollars for a very similar program. - Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Josh Kennedy

Re: window-eyes open source?

yes, and as far as donating I would rather donate my money to the NVDA project rather than giving it to VFO and spend money on tons of jaws bells and whistles I'll mostly never use. On 9/10/2017 6:54 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: NVDA is not far from being as good as JAWS and I can see it

Re: window-eyes open source?

where did you hear that from? and how can they purchase an open source product under the gpl? On 9/10/2017 7:15 PM, ratshtron via Talk wrote: don't push it! i have heard that they are wanting to purchase nvda and thus killing it as well. Legend has it that on Sunday 9/10/2017 12:07 PM,