Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 09:18 +0200, Jo wrote: > 2017-09-27 8:30 GMT+02:00 Safwat Halaby : > > > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 11:46 +0200, Jo wrote: > > > > > Then load that in PostGIS and create scripts to read GTFS into > > > PostGIS. > > > > > > Then compare the data in the DB and

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

I think my last two replies never got through and were sent privately instead. Here's a rephrasing. (which is possibly better anyways). __ On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 10:53 +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: > isn't it possible that the 2017 contains data from e.g. 2014, which

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

If there is a conflict regarding position or tags, they should be resolved by a human mapper. If I were to apply the newer is better approach, we would constantly be reverting back to the positions the operators think their stops are at. It's important to respect the mappers work, because without

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 09:12 +0200, Jo wrote: > Deleting data on OpenStreetMap and replacing it by imported data is > obviously never the acceptable approach. > > What I don't understand is why you don't create something that > compares the > latest version of all the bus stops in OSM with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

2017-09-27 8:30 GMT+02:00 Safwat Halaby : > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 11:46 +0200, Jo wrote: > > > Then load that in PostGIS and create scripts to read GTFS into > > PostGIS. > > > > Then compare the data in the DB and produce output and ideally a UI. > > > > I started doing

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

Deleting data on OpenStreetMap and replacing it by imported data is obviously never the acceptable approach. What I don't understand is why you don't create something that compares the latest version of all the bus stops in OSM with the latest version of the GTFS data from upstream. Why compare

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 11:46 +0200, Jo wrote: > Then load that in PostGIS and create scripts to read GTFS into > PostGIS. > > Then compare the data in the DB and produce output and ideally a UI. > > I started doing something like that here: > > https://github.com/osmbe/public_transport > > Let

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

Thanks for the info, mmd! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

Hi John Whelan, As implied in the forum thread, not wanting to destroy user data is exactly why I'm building a relatively complex script. The naive approach is to destroy all-bus stops are re-import, everytime a GTFS update is released. But I don't want that. Instead of doing that, the script

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

One last point have you confirmed the Open Data license is acceptable to OSM? It took me about five years and a great deal of effort to ensure and confirm the licenses were compatible to get my GTFS bus stops in. The OSM legal working group eventually agreed they were but noted they would want

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

Just a clarification, I'm not against imports and I have been involved in a number as I'm sure Frederik will recall but it's important to me that the data to be imported is of good quality, is correctly licensed and is merged with existing data. In the case of bus stops that means including tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 17:08 -0400, john whelan wrote: > Please do not do this globally. > Of course not. I wouldn't deploy anything globally without prior discussion. What I meant was the script is not Israel-specific, and anyone who knows their provider has some reasonable accuracy could use

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

>We are well aware that GTFS accuracy is not perfect. (Though nobody Reported a 100-meter deviation so far). A potential solution, which could also work globally, is discussed below. Some University researchers who were looking at the GTFS files noted the problem sometime ago in the US. One

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 08:50 -0400, john whelan wrote: > I suggest pulling in the country file and if need be chop it up to > load > into JOSM.  Load up the latest bus stops in a different layer then > use the > todo plugin and go through them one at a time cleaning them up that > way. > > Note

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

link fix: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=16738 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

I'd like to point out (as I pointed out in the sub-threads), that I solved this problem simply by fetching the changeset which introduced v3. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 14:12 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Are all these automatic edits at least discussed on the Israeli > mailing > list, or is this a free-for-all where anyone who knows how to write a > script runs over all bus stops in Israel again and again? > > Bye > Frederik > Why are

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

Am 26.09.2017 um 12:39 schrieb Safwat Halaby: > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 11:46 +0200, Jo wrote: >> >> Overpass API is definitely your friend. Version 3 doesn't mean much >> though. >> Do you mean all bus stops with a public_transport tag? > > Thanks for the reply. > > By version 3, I mean a

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

I suggest pulling in the country file and if need be chop it up to load into JOSM. Load up the latest bus stops in a different layer then use the todo plugin and go through them one at a time cleaning them up that way. Note that the GTFS file bus stop location may not be accurate, some bus stops

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

Hi, On 26.09.2017 13:31, Safwat Halaby wrote: > V3 was an automatic import for all nodes. it was made pretty quickly > after v1 and v2 This whole import is a terrible mess: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1802982151/history It starts with the version 1 already being titled "attempt 3", then

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

It is a bit odd that you are not interested in the latest versions of these objects, but OK. (As long as you don't plan to use them for an updated import to OSM, of course) Overpass API also makes it possible to fetch data for a given point in time. Jo 2017-09-26 13:31 GMT+02:00 Safwat Halaby

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 12:15 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 26/09/17 11:41, Safwat Halaby wrote: > > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 11:31 +0200, Michael Reichert wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Am 2017-09-26 um 09:19 schrieb SwiftFast: > > > > I need to download all version 3 bus stops in a country which > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

I think I've needlessly overcomplicated this. All I need to do was to do is fetch changeset #14265835, which introduced those historic nodes. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On 26/09/17 11:41, Safwat Halaby wrote: On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 11:31 +0200, Michael Reichert wrote: Hi, Am 2017-09-26 um 09:19 schrieb SwiftFast: I need to download all version 3 bus stops in a country which has about 30,000 bus stops. Version 3 exists since a 2012 import. What's the

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 11:31 +0200, Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi, > > Am 2017-09-26 um 09:19 schrieb SwiftFast: > > I need to download all version 3 bus stops in a country which has > > about > > 30,000 bus stops. Version 3 exists since a 2012 import. What's the > > recommended way to accomplish

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 11:46 +0200, Jo wrote: > Hi Safwat, > > Overpass API is definitely your friend. Version 3 doesn't mean much > though. > Do you mean all bus stops with a public_transport tag? Thanks for the reply. By version 3, I mean a particular historic version of the OSM element.  For

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

Hi Safwat, Overpass API is definitely your friend. Version 3 doesn't mean much though. Do you mean all bus stops with a public_transport tag? I would go about it in a slightly different way and download everything related to public transport, not just the stops using the query found on this

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading Version 3 of all bus stops in a country

Hi, Am 2017-09-26 um 09:19 schrieb SwiftFast: > I need to download all version 3 bus stops in a country which has about > 30,000 bus stops. Version 3 exists since a 2012 import. What's the > recommended way to accomplish this? I have two ways in mind. Version 3 of what? Best regards Michael