Re: the bat! new wishes !!!

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:28:15 +0100, Jurgen Haug wrote: we forgot about that! there's no corner to put anyone in!!! If anyone really must do such a thing, then they can try using the corners of their own minds. I must admit that I have been sorely tempted to apply such treatment in respect to a

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Avi, A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on: 15 February 2005 at 06:23:24 GMT +0100 AY That looks brilliant, Miguel. Didn't know PP could do that. :-) Powerpro can do just about anything. I used to use it and had a few uses for it at the time that I didn't think possible,

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 TB Powerpro can do just about anything. It certainly seems that way, doesn't it. TBH I simply use it for menus and shortcuts. I'm sure that there are a million and one things I /could/ do with it if I was prepared to spend the time reading the docs.

how to change the network administration settings?

2005-02-15 Thread Maik Lehmberg
Hello, since I use the on the fly encryption with TB! Beta 10, I can't change any setting in the network administration menu. I always get an error message like Access violation at address 00442D2A in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0008. So I'm not able to change the settings to LAN

Re: how to change the network administration settings?

2005-02-15 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, February 15, 2005, Maik Lehmberg wrote: I always get an error message like Access violation at address 00442D2A in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0008. So I'm not able to change the settings to LAN to use my new DSL-account with The Bat. Is there any

Re: how to change the network administration settings?

2005-02-15 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Maik, A reminder of what Maik Lehmberg on TBBETA typed on: 15 February 2005 at 11:15:32 GMT +0100 ML Is there any workaround? Create a backup using the Tools menu, delete the registry entries and reinstall TB! without OTFE and restore from the backup. -- Best regards,Tony.

can't change the network administration settings

2005-02-15 Thread Maik Lehmberg
Hello, since I use the on the fly encryption with TB! Beta 10, I can't change any setting in the network administration menu. I always get an error message like Access violation at address 00442D2A in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0008. So I'm not able to change the settings to LAN

can't change the network administration settings

2005-02-15 Thread Maik Lehmberg
Hello, since I use the on the fly encryption with TB! Beta 10, I can't change any setting in the network administration menu. I always get an error message like Access violation at address 00442D2A in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0008. So I'm not able to change the settings to LAN

Re: can't change the network administration settings

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Having a spot of bother, aren't you Maik. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.12 Pre-release, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a and Universal Macro

Re: can't change the network administration settings

2005-02-15 Thread Maik Lehmberg
Having a spot of bother, aren't you Maik. Excuse me for several posts. It must have been something wrong with the server. -- Best regards, Maik Beati possidentes. [cf. Corpus Iuris Civilis, Digesta 50. 16,49] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 (on-the-fly-encryption by eToken) on

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:06:32 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: TB Powerpro can do just about anything. It certainly seems that way, doesn't it. TBH I simply use it for menus and shortcuts. I'm sure that there are a million and one things I /could/ do with it if I was prepared to spend the

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY I notice that it contains a AY whopping 29 lines below the sig delimiter and only 10 lines (or about AY 1/3 of the message content) above the sig delimiter. Be thankful that Allie's server is doing as good a job as it is; it filters out most of a

Re: how to change the network administration settings?

2005-02-15 Thread Maik Lehmberg
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 Marek Mikus wrote: close TB, open Regedit and find Value InetConnectMode in tree HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\. Then open this value and change number 0 to 1. Close Regedit and check setting in TB. Connect to the Internet using has changed to Local

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:53:24 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY I notice that it contains a AY whopping 29 lines below the sig delimiter and only 10 lines (or about AY 1/3 of the message content) above the sig delimiter. Be thankful that Allie's server is doing as good a job as it is; it

Re: the bat! new wishes !!!

2005-02-15 Thread Cees
Het was op maandag 14 februari 2005 om 21:31 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'the bat! new wishes !!!' : Hallo Claude, apparently not a man of many words :-))) -- groeten, Rubeo, who was just listening to: Sladest | Slade - One way hotel There cannot be a crisis today; my schedule

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Stuart! On Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 5:53 AM, you wrote: Be thankful that Allie's server is doing as good a job as it is; it filters out most of a /very/ pointless disclaimer that my firm insists must appear on each email sent out. Stuart, didn't you mean Marck's server here? Allie

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Mary, @15-Feb-2005, 06:31 -0600 (15-Feb 12:31 UK time) Mary Bull [MB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Stuart: Be thankful that Allie's server is doing as good a job as it is; it filters out most of a /very/ pointless disclaimer that my firm insists must appear on each email sent out.

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie Martin
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 7:08:43 AM [GMT -0500], Avi Yashar wrote: Whoa Nelly! I didn't realize that I was only seeing the tip of the iceberg. I guess that gives me another thing to be thankful to Allie for. I have this sneaky feeling that Stuart's company sysadmins know about me

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie Martin
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 7:31:29 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull wrote: Stuart, didn't you mean Marck's server here? Stuart still sends his list messages through me. :) I've been using my server to remove the lines of his sig disclaimer. I may just take this queue to adjust the filters again.

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Allie! On Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 6:45 AM, you wrote: Stuart, didn't you mean Marck's server here? Stuart still sends his list messages through me. :) I've been using my server to remove the lines of his sig disclaimer. I may just take this queue to adjust the filters again.

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Kevin J. Menard, Jr.
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:43:42 -0500, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's therefore a small project to revise the matching process again. If MDaemon could do a multi-line match, then it would be great. Just throwing this out there, but I have 50 gmail invites if anyone (maybe Stuart?)

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Marck! On Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 6:40 AM, you wrote: Be thankful that Allie's server is doing as good a job as it is; it filters out most of a /very/ pointless disclaimer that my firm insists must appear on each email sent out. MB Stuart, didn't you mean Marck's server here? :-)

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:45:24 -0500, Allie Martin wrote: I may just take this queue to adjust the filters again. Sorry if I have given you any extra work, Allie. But happy to see that I cue once in a while. :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.10

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie Martin
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 7:49:42 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull wrote: Thanks, Allie. I'm glad to get my confused head straightened out once more. I just adjusted the filters. What happened is that they have actually *added* more to the disclaimer. Incredible!! It's now 20 lines of text to

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie Martin
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 7:56:50 AM [GMT -0500], Avi Yashar wrote: Sorry if I have given you any extra work, Allie. But happy to see that I cue once in a while. Good catch. :) Let's hope the filter works better, now that I've adjusted it. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:52:57 -0500, Kevin J. Menard, Jr. wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:43:42 -0500, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's therefore a small project to revise the matching process again. If MDaemon could do a multi-line match, then it would be great. Just throwing this

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MB Allie is one of my many loves among TB! and TBOT posters, but some MB time ago he resigned from his position as a TB! lists moderator. I know this but, yes, I do mean Allie. Unlike te rest of you, I don't post directly to the list. I send my mail

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AM Good catch. :) Let's hope the filter works better, now that I've AM adjusted it. Let's see, shall we... Testing, testing. One, two, three. Can you hear me at the back? - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MDP That's not correct. The list is *moderated* by Leif (the founder) MDP myself and Roelof Otten. The servers on which the lists run are owned MDP and maintained by Johannes Posel, a great friend of the lists and a MDP good fellow indeed. Everyday's

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Stuart! On Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 7:13 AM, you wrote: MB Allie is one of my many loves among TB! and TBOT posters, but some MB time ago he resigned from his position as a TB! lists moderator. I know this but, yes, I do mean Allie. ... I put my apologies to you in a post to Marck,

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 13:32:37 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 AY Not a bad point, Kevin. Stuart, you could probably use the Gmail SMTP SH SMTP is blocked by the firewall. Gmail SMTP uses SSL ports, not standard ones. Do you know if that is

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie Martin
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 8:14:54 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Hemming wrote: Let's see, shall we... Testing, testing. One, two, three. Can you hear me at the back? There goes my theory that I wouldn't need to restart MDaemon to use the updated cfilters.dat. I have to manually edit it for

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie Martin
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 8:17:18 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Hemming wrote: AM I have this sneaky feeling that Stuart's company sysadmins know about AM me and what I've been doing with his messages to the list. Do you think they're watching us now? Spooky! I do wonder. They're snickering. I

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 13:17:18 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 AM I have this sneaky feeling that Stuart's company sysadmins know about AM me and what I've been doing with his messages to the list. SH Do you think they're watching us now? Spooky!

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AM I have this sneaky feeling that Stuart's company sysadmins know about AM me and what I've been doing with his messages to the list. Do you think they're watching us now? Spooky! - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY Not a bad point, Kevin. Stuart, you could probably use the Gmail SMTP SMTP is blocked by the firewall. AY Alternatively, though you might not want to do this, AY you could access the tbbeta messages via your Web browser at either You're right; I

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:32:37 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY Not a bad point, Kevin. Stuart, you could probably use the Gmail SMTP SMTP is blocked by the firewall. AY Alternatively, though you might not want to do this, AY you could access the tbbeta messages via your Web browser at either

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DC In Gmail's case, SMTP is on port 465 and POP is DC on 995, but dedicated SSL ports. I tried those settings on a new TB! account with no luck. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AM I wouldn't be surprised if you're like me at work, in that you don't AM have access to ports that would allow you to use an alternative SMTP. Exactly right. If I did have direct access I could get away with using GMail or the like. - -- Stuart

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:55:29 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC In Gmail's case, SMTP is on port 465 and POP is DC on 995, but dedicated SSL ports. I tried those settings on a new TB! account with no luck. Well, thanks for trying anyway, Stuart. I see that Allie's filter is now doing a better

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie Martin
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 8:56:59 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Hemming wrote: Exactly right. If I did have direct access I could get away with using GMail or the like. I'm sure that few employees would be fans of such a disclaimer being tagged to all messages they sent. They'd naturally wish

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:56:59 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AM I wouldn't be surprised if you're like me at work, in that you don't AM have access to ports that would allow you to use an alternative SMTP. Exactly right. If I did have direct access I could get away with using GMail or the like.

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 13:55:29 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 DC In Gmail's case, SMTP is on port 465 and POP is DC on 995, but dedicated SSL ports. SH I tried those settings on a new TB! account with no luck. Ah well, it was worth a shot

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie Martin
On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 9:07:59 AM [GMT -0500], Avi Yashar wrote: I see that Allie's filter is now doing a better job of trimming your sig. So, finally, what do you think of my suggestion about forgoing the PGP when sending messages to the list? If that is possible, then your

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DC Ah well, it was worth a shot anyway. Be sure you have 'Secure to DC Dedicated Port (TLS)' selected. Done that. It occurs to me that I've guessed the name of the SMTP/POP servers as gmail.com. Is this right? - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat!

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AM :) I can't recall what happens if Stuart were to use PGP/MIME. Maybe AM the sysadmins have nothing in place for that. Because they tag the disclaimer on /after/ the message is signed the signature is always invalid 'cos message has been changed. -

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY Stuart, I'll bet you can still use Gmail. Just not via the Gmail SMTP AY server. It seems that you can access the Gmail Web site, because you AY signed up for a Gmail account. I could, but I don't want to. I've taken some time and trouble to get

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY So, finally, what do you think of my suggestion about forgoing AY the PGP when sending messages to the list? Not a chance. How would you know I was me. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:22:14 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC Ah well, it was worth a shot anyway. Be sure you have 'Secure to DC Dedicated Port (TLS)' selected. Done that. It occurs to me that I've guessed the name of the SMTP/POP servers as gmail.com. Is this right? No, it's pop.gmail.com

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 14:22:14 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 DC Ah well, it was worth a shot anyway. Be sure you have 'Secure to DC Dedicated Port (TLS)' selected. SH Done that. It occurs to me that I've guessed the name of the SMTP/POP SH

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:26:52 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY So, finally, what do you think of my suggestion about forgoing AY the PGP when sending messages to the list? Not a chance. How would you know I was me. I'd take it on faith. Quite frankly, I am replying to what you are saying much

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:31:36 -0500, David Calvarese wrote: Also, you have to log into the website and enable POP access in your settings. Good point, David. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.10 Current beta is

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY No, it's pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com. sighTried that. Cannot connect to server/sigh - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.12 Pre-release, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2,

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 14:35:48 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY No, it's pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com. SH sighTried that. Cannot connect to server/sigh Well, it was worth a shot... Did you enable pop access via the gmail website like I mentioned? Any possibility of running a local smtp

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY Believe it or not, who we are is not always of paramount AY importance to others. I have a very low sense of self. I'm taking tablets for it, but there you go. For now I'll keep on signing. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:35:48 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY No, it's pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com. sighTried that. Cannot connect to server/sigh Okay, but did you first do what David said? Before you can connect to the server, you must log in to Gmail and go to SettingsFowarding and Pop,

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:42:11 -0500, David Calvarese wrote: Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. If I am not mistaken, just about every lousy worm and spyware in circulation these days has its own SMTP server. :-(

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY Okay, but did you first do what David said? I hadn't then but I have now with the same (null) effect. I'm guessing that the problem is the firewall. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DC Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I DC recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. I'd still have to get the mail out, wouldn't I? - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:47:29 +0200, Avi Yashar wrote: Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. AY If I am not mistaken, just about every lousy worm and spyware in AY circulation these days has its own SMTP server.

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:48:18 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY Okay, but did you first do what David said? I hadn't then but I have now with the same (null) effect. I'm guessing that the problem is the firewall. Could be. Anyway, thanks for trying. FWIW, I use TB for almost all my email except

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 14:48:55 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I DC recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. SH I'd still have to get the mail out, wouldn't I? Well, I know when I've worked places that blocked you from

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY FWIW, I use TB for almost all my email except receiving and sending AY messages to the tbbeta list. I haven't given up yet. I'm trying bribery on one of the sysadmins. If that doesn't work then I'll stick with what I've got. - -- Stuart Hemming

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread MAU
Hello Avi, One other thought - maybe you could skip the PGP and the cute quotation when sending messages to this list. I can't see how they add much - other than maybe 12-13 lines of largely useless signature and 2-3 lines of text above your sig. Well, at least Stuart is trying to save some

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread MAU
Hello Allie, I just adjusted the filters. What happened is that they have actually *added* more to the disclaimer. Incredible!! It's now 20 lines of text to remove. I assume you are familiar with this link, aren't you? http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ -- Best regards,

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:08:50 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY FWIW, I use TB for almost all my email except receiving and sending AY messages to the tbbeta list. I haven't given up yet. I'm trying bribery on one of the sysadmins. If that doesn't work then I'll stick with what I've got. Though

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 15:08:50 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY FWIW, I use TB for almost all my email except receiving and sending AY messages to the tbbeta list. SH I haven't given up yet. I'm trying bribery on one of the sysadmins. If SH that doesn't work then I'll stick with what I've got.

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:13:10 +0100, MAU wrote: One other thought - maybe you could skip the PGP and the cute quotation when sending messages to this list. I can't see how they add much - other than maybe 12-13 lines of largely useless signature and 2-3 lines of text above your sig.

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread MAU
Hello Stuart, AM Good catch. :) Let's hope the filter works better, now that I've AM adjusted it. Let's see, shall we... Like others have said, please take no offence in what I am going to say. I have been following this sub-thread about your excessively long signature, disclaimer, etc., and I

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:45:49 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: attached screenshot. Can you think of anything else I might be missing Well, there is one mistake. You must add @gmail.com after your user name. Also, to send mail, you must perform SMTP authentication with the same settings as mail

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread MAU
Hello Avi, Good point, Miguel... but a dangerous one. Who knows what will come next in the mad rush to conserve bandwidth. Omitting line breaks between paragraphs or spaces between words? Justtrytoimagineit. You are right. I'll change my argument from bandwidth conservation to readability ;-)

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 14:45:49 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com SH OK. I've done that. The transport settings in TB! can be seen in the SH attached screenshot. Can you think of anything else I might be missing SH (I still can't connect although I can ping the

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As I'm going through a firewall here I'm not sure how I'd set this up to find a DNS to point this software at. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.12 Pre-release, MyGate

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DC Well, I know when I've worked places that blocked you from using an DC SMTP server other than theirs that using a local SMTP on my machine DC worked. Some ISPs even do that to you. Well I've tried that here to no avail. - -- Stuart Hemming Using

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Edvinas Matiuaitis
Hello Stuart, On Tuesday, February 15, 2005, at 16:45, you wrote: SH OK. I've done that. The transport settings in TB! can be seen in the SH attached screenshot. Can you think of anything else I might be missing SH (I still can't connect although I can ping the server). A couple of weeks ago I

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:32:46 +0100, MAU wrote: AM Good catch. :) Let's hope the filter works better, now that I've AM adjusted it. Let's see, shall we... M Like others have said, please take no offence in what I am going to say. M I have been following this sub-thread about your excessively

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Edvinas Matiuaitis
Hello Avi, On Tuesday, February 15, 2005, at 17:39, you wrote: AY Well, there is one mistake. You must add @gmail.com after your user name. Currently they also accept usernames without @gmail.com. I've noticed that @gmail.com stuff in Stuart's screenshot and checked that, after removing

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 15:54:24 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC Well, I know when I've worked places that blocked you from using an DC SMTP server other than theirs that using a local SMTP on my machine DC worked. Some ISPs even do that to you. SH Well I've tried that here to no avail. Looks

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AY Well, there is one mistake. You must add @gmail.com after your user name. Now done. AY Also, to send mail, you must perform SMTP authentication with the same AY settings as mail retrieval? Set. No joy. The God of Email is not smiling on me today.

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 15:53:44 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH As I'm going through a firewall here I'm not sure how I'd set this up SH to find a DNS to point this software at. You should be able to find your DNS server by looking at the information for your network connection. -- Best

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:01:29 +0200, Edvinas Matiuðaitis wrote: AY Well, there is one mistake. You must add @gmail.com after your user name. Currently they also accept usernames without @gmail.com. I've noticed that @gmail.com stuff in Stuart's screenshot and checked that, after removing

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:00:51 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: No joy. The God of Email is not smiling on me today. Well, I can only think of one other thing that you can try, but it's a long shot. You can experiment with using the alternative SMTP port of 587 instead of 465. -- Avi Yashar Windows

Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Cees
Het was op dinsdag 15 februari 2005 om 17:21 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'the next beta ? when ?' : Hallo Avi, No joy. The God of Email is not smiling on me today. AY Well, I can only think of one other thing that you can try, I think he's laughing his ass off... have you seen the amount

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 EM Can't it be the same case with you? Possibly. But I can't even be sure my request is reaching the gmail server ATM. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.12 Pre-release,

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DC You should be able to find your DNS server by looking at the DC information for your network connection. Can you say DHCP? 8-) Nothing set up here at all. It's all managed by those fiendishly clever bods upstairs. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DC Looks like bribery is the way to go then in this case. I'm breaking out the Mars bars as I type. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.12 Pre-release, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3

Re: Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:25:59 +0100, Cees wrote: Hallo Avi, No joy. The God of Email is not smiling on me today. AY Well, I can only think of one other thing that you can try, I think he's laughing his ass off... have you seen the amount of e-mails on this list today? ;-) Quite

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:22:46 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC You should be able to find your DNS server by looking at the DC information for your network connection. SH Can you say DHCP? 8-) SH Nothing set up here at all. It's all managed by those fiendishly SH clever bods upstairs. But the

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DC rss2pop3 and UMX in Good, aren't they. DC Our Yellow Sun yields to the dark as I begin my web based lark snip/ grin/ - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.12 Pre-release,

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Allie
Hi MAU, On 15/02/2005 10:20 AM, you wrote: I assume you are familiar with this link, aren't you? http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ No, I'm not. -- .__.... . [__]||* _ |\/| | (/,| | Keyboard? How quaint! - Scotty signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello David Calvarese everyone else, on 15-Feb-2005 at 14:44 you (David Calvarese) wrote: Gmail SMTP uses SSL ports, not standard ones. Do you know if that is blocked as well? Lots of places block the normal ones but don't think to block the others. In Gmail's case, SMTP is on port 465

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello David, Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 9:28:27 AM, you wrote: D But the DHCP server should be telling your machine what the DNS is... Correct. From a command line: ipconfig /all on Win2K and higher. I think it's winipconfig for older version of windows IIRC. -- __

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Stuart, A reminder of what Stuart Hemming on TBBETA typed on: 15 February 2005 at 17:26:55 GMT +0100 SH Possibly. But I can't even be sure my request is reaching the gmail SH server ATM. I've not been following this thread, because I thought it was about the new beta that's due on

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello David Calvarese everyone else, on 15-Feb-2005 at 15:42 you (David Calvarese) wrote: Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. What difference would it make? SMTP talks to another SMTP on port 25, just like TB

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Avi Yashar
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:36:41 +, Tony Boom wrote: I take it your having trouble with gmail and pop access? What exactly is the problem? Well, here we go again... how about another round? :-) Tony, in absolute good humor, wasn't there some sort of rule about checking the archive of messages

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:27:18 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC rss2pop3 and UMX in SH Good, aren't they. The jury is still out on RSS2pop3... I think maybe firefox does a better job with it's 'live bookmarks' feature. I'm not sure what to make of UMX though. -- Best regards, David Using

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Got the details, set 'em up. Tried to send myself a message both at work and on GMail and both times the free smtp server told me I was trying to send to an invalid recipient. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Stuart Hemming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 TB I take it your having trouble with gmail and pop access? What exactly is the TB problem? TBH I think the problem is that my attempts to connect to either GMail's SMTP or POP server is being blocked by the firewall here. - -- Stuart Hemming

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread David Calvarese
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 17:39:04 +0100, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK on 15-Feb-2005 at 15:42 you (David Calvarese) wrote: Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. ASK What difference would it make? SMTP talks to

Re: the next beta ? when ?

2005-02-15 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello David Calvarese everyone else, on 15-Feb-2005 at 17:28 you (David Calvarese) wrote: But the DHCP server should be telling your machine what the DNS is... In a LAN with a Domain Controller (or something) the DNS server will be local machine. -- Best regards, Alexander

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