Re: Filters working in v5?
Sveiki, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 8:05:18 AM, you wrote: Hello Scuddy, Friday, June 15, 2012, 9:49:07 PM, you wrote: TF With IMAP I have only the headers on the computer. I want to open a TF mail and the attachments, it takes ages which I have to spend in front TF of the computer. smn Why not set it to download everything and then you have the best of both worlds. Then I would have IMAP emulating POP... Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. This is a bug in your IMAP server or in your IMAP client. It doesn't matter how many messages you have on the server. Good written client always downloads only new messages. I have more than 125000 messages and it works in a matter of half a second. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
On Saturday, June 16, 2012, 12:05:18 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the whole point. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hi Dwight, Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the whole point. Up to the moment your e-mail box is equal to about 8GB and something happens so you need to reinstall your client and re-download 8GB while on POP3 you can keep a local copy and have it reinstalled within an hour or less. Another matter is that you need a server to store so much data and it likely to increase a cost (my e-mail box is about plus 1-1.2GB each year). -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Saturday, June 16, 2012 (21:50 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Thomas, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 12:05:18 AM, you wrote: Then I would have IMAP emulating POP... The main reason I use IMAP is the ability to have two computers with the same messages on both, all sent messages on both, all messages I have read marked as read, etc. If you only use one computer then no big deal. Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. If you require you can set-up an archive account in TB! and move all the old messages there. The archive account can be local. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello RS, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 9:03:10 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the whole point. RF Up to the moment your e-mail box is equal to about 8GB and something RF happens so you need to reinstall your client and re-download 8GB while RF on POP3 you can keep a local copy and have it reinstalled within an RF hour or less. RF Another matter is that you need a server to store so much data and it RF likely to increase a cost (my e-mail box is about plus 1-1.2GB each RF year). Thank you for your support! I thought I was the only one who is happy with POP. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Vilius, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 1:26:23 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. VŠ This is a bug in your IMAP server or in your IMAP client. It doesn't VŠ matter how many messages you have on the server. Good written client VŠ always downloads only new messages. I have more than 125000 messages VŠ and it works in a matter of half a second. Actually, the slow server is a POP server. Checking for new messages takes so long, and that's not only with TB! but also with other clients, and with all servers I have used. If that does not apply to IMAP, it's my mistake. Does IMAP not need to check for new messages? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Dwight, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 6:03:22 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. DC that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the DC whole point. This also goes into another philosophy: Do we want to keep our own data or do we want to put all our eggs in one cloud whose keepers we have to trust. The mods will slap us soon for off-topic discussions. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Stuart, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 9:40:37 PM, you wrote: Then I would have IMAP emulating POP... S The main reason I use IMAP is the ability to have two computers with the same S messages on both, all sent messages on both, all messages I have read marked as S read, etc. If you only use one computer then no big deal. I use three computers and have all messages on each. The beauty is that if one HD crashes, I always have two backups. For outgoing messages, I BCC to myself. Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. S If you require you can set-up an archive account in TB! and move all the old S messages there. The archive account can be local. I have 13 POP acounts. And one IMAP account because that provider does not provide POP access. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Thank you for your support! I thought I was the only one who is happy with POP. I like POP too! :) -- Rick There is no snooze button for a cat that wants breakfast. -Anonymous v5.1.6.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Thank you for your support! I thought I was the only one who is happy with POP. I like POP too! :) I dont want to be the moderator here, but the topis does not reflect the subject. -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Sveiki, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 6:32:12 PM, you wrote: Hello Vilius, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 1:26:23 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. VŠ This is a bug in your IMAP server or in your IMAP client. It doesn't VŠ matter how many messages you have on the server. Good written client VŠ always downloads only new messages. I have more than 125000 messages VŠ and it works in a matter of half a second. Actually, the slow server is a POP server. Checking for new messages takes so long, and that's not only with TB! but also with other clients, and with all servers I have used. If that does not apply to IMAP, it's my mistake. Does IMAP not need to check for new messages? It depends how you have configured IMAP client, but usually the client asks the server: What new messages do you have since I last time checked? The server responds with something like this: I have 25 new messages with IDs 150,151,152,etc. The client then downloads message *headers* to list them in the mailbox on the client. After the the user can decide which messages he needs and download manually a whole message. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Sveiki, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 6:34:39 PM, you wrote: Hello Dwight, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 6:03:22 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. DC that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the DC whole point. This also goes into another philosophy: Do we want to keep our own data or do we want to put all our eggs in one cloud whose keepers we have to trust. The mods will slap us soon for off-topic discussions. Even if using POP, how would you know if mail server admin doesn't forward all your messages internally to his account? If you cannot trust your mail provider it doesn't matter if it's IMAP or POP. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
On Saturday, June 16, 2012, 9:03:10 AM, RS (FEDARA) wrote: Another matter is that you need a server to store so much data and it likely to increase a cost (my e-mail box is about plus 1-1.2GB each year). I just priced a few 2T drives, and the cost per gigabite runs in the neighborhood of US$.05. I think that is about .04 Euro, or .03 pound sterling. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
On Saturday, June 16, 2012, 10:34:39 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: This also goes into another philosophy: Do we want to keep our own data or do we want to put all our eggs in one cloud whose keepers we have to trust. To me, this depends on whether I ever leave the house. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
