Re: Adventures with TB
Time will tell, but the feeling of the more vocal members of the group is that Thunderbird might be an acceptable alternative in the long run shudder. I wish Ritlabs would make their program a great IMAP client or at least state their position so I know if I should go to TBird. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.11 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
The problem with Abort All Tasks is that if you are in process of saving drafts remotely, they are never saved and your composed message is lost! DA Indeed, therefore I never use remote drafts. Too risky... I want to use it. Period. That's the point of IMAP. Keep everything on the server. I agree! I want all IMAP working correctly, PERIOD, whoops, sorry for shouting. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.11 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Adventures with TB
TB has been doing normal tasks so well lately that I thought I might look at some of the other things it can do. I saw in the folder context menu that I can move folders up/down and in/out. There are some folders at the bottom of the hierarchy that I would like to move up. TB did that without problem. I tried to delete the old container folder. TB gave an AV error it could not recover from. I can confirm the inability of TB! to manage IMAP folders well. Further, I had similar experiences and frustrations with IMAP as you have had. Make sure your turn off all syncronizing options. You will still not be able to manage IMAP folder well, but at least you will be able to do work. Perhaps this turn off syncronizing should be a FAQ on TB!'s main page under IMAP. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.11 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
HTML Works Poorly
I imagine that most of you do not use HTML mail and so do not realize this, but the HTML portion of TB! does not work well. It is sorta like IMAP, nice idea, sounds good, but not finished. My experience is mostly with replying and forwarding html as html. Try forwarding and replying to complex HTML messages as HTML to see what I mean. In my view this feature should be turned off from non-beta versions until it is working well. Further, replying to HTML mail as text, could use some cleaning up. Replies, for example, produce extra line spaces. Perhaps an HTML list could be set up to test and debug HTML with the developers as I know you all will start screaming at me if I suggest it here. ;) -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.10 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
A. Is this another known bug: 1) Have IMAP Fine Tune Option of Only Download Text (i.e. do not download attachments) 2) Forward a message where the attachment has not been downloaded 3) Message arrives at recipient with attachment size of zero, i.e. attachment not included. I could never image a situation where this result was intended. I have had to turn off this feature as it does not work. This is another great option if you want to frustrate new users. ;) B. LOCK OPTION - What is the User Server Mailbox Lock option for in Fine Tune? What are the experiences and recommendations with this option? -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
1) Have IMAP Fine Tune Option of Only Download Text (i.e. do not download attachments) 2) Forward a message where the attachment has not been downloaded 3) Message arrives at recipient with attachment size of zero, i.e. attachment not included. I could never image a situation where this result was intended. I would think what would be buggy is if it sent something besides what you forwarded, which was a message with no attachment. I intended to forward the message with the attachment, but that is not what happened. I have determined that the attachment was not sent because of the setting in 1) above because when I reverse the setting in 1) above, the attachment forwards fine. I probably worded item 2) above unclearly, sorry. Hopefully it is clear now. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
But it does half of everything - an emtpy attachement. didn't you download a message, leaving the attachment empty, then forward same? The only reason I would not download the attachment initially is to speed up my reading of the message. Further, does The Bat! have a way to indicate which attachments are downloaded (i.e. when I go to forward a message how do I know if the attachments are downloaded or not? But, the concept is silly, in my view. If I forward a message, I expect the attachments to be forwarded with it. If do not want the attachments forwarded, I would remove them prior to hitting send. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
didn't you download a message, leaving the attachment empty, then forward same? also, you have this tagged as IMAP bug, but isn't this behavior same for POP and IMAP? (Don't know, didn't test, but just asking) I thought pop automatically downloaded the whole message and attachments, so if that is true, then no, otherwise I do not know. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Do you have When browsing messages, only retrieve message text checked in your account settings? Yes If so, what you see is correct because the attachment isn't in the local cache. TB! is forwarding the message as it is; nothing more nothing less. It can't send something it doesn't have! If you open or view an attachment it will be included when you forward the message because it's now available to TB!. I can understand your logic. I think your method has the TB! user having to think too much. In my view, TB! should assume the user wants to forward the whole message including attachments and the user should only be concerned about the status of the attachment download when the user wants to use the attachments. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
If I recieve an eMail with a bigger attachment that is not being downloaded automatically and I want to forward it, Thunderbird first downloads the complete message from the server before sending the new one - just tested it with Tb v1.5. That sounds right to me. TheBat! should know if there's a rest waiting on the server or not and so either has to ask the user if he wants to send the complete message or just the text-part or has to delete zero-size attachments in the forwared mail - IMHO. Agreed -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
TB was, is, and will be the best POP client. For the developers to focus only on IMAP is to abandon what brought TB to where it is. snip Expecting them to focus on IMAP seems quite selfish to me. I understand your concern. As a solution perhaps Ritlabs could immediately abandon the IMAP focus if anything happens to POP or anything related thereto. Further, the IMAP focus could be initially limited to some time period, which I would not be a good one to suggest. For some reason I do not feel selfish nor arrogant. I thank you for the lesson I am learning from you, which seems off topic. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
I am back to trying TB's IMAP now that Mulberry is toast. Incidentally, shouldn't the business folks at Ritlabs recognize that there are a bunch of potential new customers in the market, given Mulberry's demise, and a BIG FIRM commitment to fast errorless IMAP by Ritlabs would be a good strategy to get those folks money? Following were the troubles I had in the first half hour using TB! I am using Fastmail's servers, I have two accounts with them, one for business and one for personal. I have fast connections and have folders set to FULL syncro. 1. The last time I tried TB, on Fastmail's server I had shared folder in one account so I would not have to log into both. Today, I could not get those folders removed from either (manage or read) list until I unsubscribed from each and everyone of them. This is despite the fact that the server was reporting the folders did not exist. 2. I have messages marked read in 0 seconds (instantly I guess). This does not work sometimes. The folder will be bold as if there is a new message, but none of them are new. I have to switch away from the folder and switch back. Not a deal breaker, but annoying. 3. I log into my work account from two machines. I have both machines set up to do a full synchronization so I do not have to wait to read mail. When I work on one machine, delete and read mail, then log out and switch back to the other machine and do a purge and compress, the folder shows up as broken. Again, not a deal breaker, but annoying. 4. The manage folders list is clumsy. I typically want to change a bunch of folder to the same settings. I have to do each one independently (perhaps there is a way to do this I am unaware of). It would be nice to be able to select a bunch of folder and apply the settings to all folders. 5. I installed new account, my work account, which has about 500MB of messages on the server. I set up the account to do full synchro. I was unable to read mail on this account for a while. The folders showed up as having messages, but clicking on them showed none. Now, perhaps this is nit picking, but making IMAP fast and stable is a higher priority to me than fancy new features. 6. NON-IMAP Thought, AS A LOW PRIORITY, it would be nice to be able to download and view images in messages which meet certain criteria or for which a button is pushed. Certainly, IMAP having no bugs and being fast and stable would be much better. 7. New messages arriving to an open folder to not thread, they show up at the bottom of the list, sometimes at least. If this is helpful, I will report more thoughts after more use. I would very much like everyone at Ritlabs to use nothing but IMAP for six months. This cannot hurt Ritlabs, excepting your productivity if your product has opportunities for improvement that you would then quickly recognize. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hello Stuart, JT 1. The last time I tried TB, on Fastmail's server I had shared JT folder in one account so I would not have to log into both. JT Today, I could not get those folders removed from either (manage JT or read) list until I unsubscribed from each and everyone of JT them. This is despite the fact that the server was reporting the JT folders did not exist. Did you try Manage IMAP folders/Reset List Yes, this failed. There is a wish in the bugtrack you may want to support. Thank you for your thoughts on my message. I am sorry, but I do not want to take the time to do this. Ritlabs reads this board and they can put my thoughts in their database if they want. I am trying to be helpful and I do not think I am drawing a line inappropriately here, but I am open to other thoughts. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hello Curtis, 1. The last time I tried TB, on Fastmail's server I had shared folder in one account so I would not have to log into both. Today, I could not get those folders removed from either (manage or read) list until I unsubscribed from each and everyone of them. This is despite the fact that the server was reporting the folders did not exist. I know of this. Hitting the 'reset' button in the IMAP folder management panel often solves this. It did not work for me this time. This folder management panel is probably something new users struggle with. Is that any way to treat new users? 2. I have messages marked read in 0 seconds (instantly I guess). This does not work sometimes. The folder will be bold as if there is a new message, but none of them are new. I have to switch away from the folder and switch back. Not a deal breaker, but annoying. This happens rarely for me, but would be expected to happen more frequently if TB!'s connections are always busy doing full syncs everywhere. You are probably right, but doing full syncs is a feature, so you will have to admit it is broken and needs fixing, no? 3. I log into my work account from two machines. I have both machines set up to do a full synchronization so I do not have to wait to read mail. Try disabling syncing and see what the wait periods are like for messages to load. This would work, but I am in the commercial real estate business and people frequently e-mail me 5MB+ files with information on various deals. Downloading a 5MB+ file is slow on my fastest connections. I will likely use your suggestion as a work around, but it is a bug and a bad one if you ask me. When I work on one machine, delete and read mail, then log out and switch back to the other machine and do a purge and compress, the folder shows up as broken. Again, not a deal breaker, but annoying. Keep an eye on the CC for the first machine. Don't logout until the queued tasks are completed. Yikes, I hope you are wrong here, I have enought stuff to worry about. Another possible problem is the full sync create a database locally that is changed on the server (e.g. some message exist locally that were deleted off the server with the other machine) and that difference is interpreted as broken so TB! fixes it. 5. I installed new account, my work account, which has about 500MB of messages on the server. I set up the account to do full synchro. I was unable to read mail on this account for a while. The folders showed up as having messages, but clicking on them showed none. Now, perhaps this is nit picking, but making IMAP fast and stable is a higher priority to me than fancy new features. snip So to sum it up, TB! has IMAP setup options that if inappropriately abused, leads to grief and problems. I would like to disagree here. I think the full sync needs fixing, not elimination. I believe the brains at Ritlabs could make it work well if they wanted to. Thank you for your time on this discussion. I hope Ritlabs recognizes the opportunity of fixing IMAP. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hello Curtis, There's fixing to do. If other users had IMAP working as well as I have it now, they'd be very happy. I'm not putting up with crap here. It's working well. It's just for it to be reliably reproducible. One thing is for sure, is that if I try your methods, I'd be in misery. :) Thank you for your thoughts. I hope your conclusion (conclusion: it is basically impossible to make a client that can adequately handle full syncro) is wrong and I hereby issue a challenge to Ritlabs to prove you wrong ;) . What syncro option do you use, that is what is the most complete, but still working, syncro choice? Further, what other synco options work. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
I agree that ALL syncro options should be disabled since they do not work. It is better to not have a feature than have one that does not work, no? Thunderbird seems to have the Syncro stuff working much better than all other clients. They are open source, can't Ritlabs just copy and paste the code? I set all my settings to your suggestions, then did a restart, then did a folder maintenance with all options on all folders. This fixed 34 folders. I then found my local TBat mail folders were 7.2GB, yes Gigabytes. I deleted all the BIN, TBI, and TBB files (Ritlabs, this is a bug, I should not have to do this, please fix this) and now everything seems reasonable. You were also correct about speed. Even though the message are not local, things are surprisingly fast. I have one more question for you. The outbox is local. By this do you mean you have NO check next to Outbox? This is another bug. How the F*^ is a new user supposed to know to do that. I recommend against The Bat! as an IMAP client for new users until Ritlabs gets it working better. I best stop. I am frustrated now wishing an IMAP client existed that is, possibly, not able to be made. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
What are your settings for Account Properties Options Mailbox Checking -- Synchronize on Startup -- Synchronize Every Theoretically, it should not matter giving I am not synchronizing anything now, but I thought I'd ask. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
I would like to go on record as saying that IMAP is much better with your settings, but still needs work. For example, I am having a terrible time trying to copy a folder with 7000 messages to a local folder. Now I know 7000 is a bundle of messages, but shouldn't it just work. There are other issues too. The only way I think TB is going to get good IMAP is if all of the developers are forced to work 100% on IMAP. I would be curious to know how many are now. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
JT The only way I think TB is going to get good IMAP is if all of the JT developers are forced to work 100% on IMAP. I would be curious to JT know how many are now. I do not think you have the privilege to even make such a request. Seems extremely arrogant to me. I am not sure why. Suppose I say to you quit using IMAP because you will never be satisfied. You should be using POP only. Now, what do you think of me? I am not sure this is the same, but thank you for the opportunity of making my case further. POP I think works great. IMAP I think works poorly. My thought was if the developers used only IMAP they could have more experiences that IMAP users have. If they only use POP, they will not have those experiences. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP - Forward With Attachments Broken
When I try to forward a message that has attachments, the attachments end up with a size of zero. This might be because the message has not been downloaded, but the client should figure that out, should it not? -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.60.03 forerunner | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Replies to HTML messages default to HTML
Hello Ian, Thursday (August 25, 2005, 2:16 PM) you wrote: For the first time I have noticed that when I reply to a HTML only message, The Bat! replies in the same format. In the past the reply would be plain text. Has something changed with the latest beta? I figured out the choice is under options, preferences, viewer/editor. This works on forwards to which is great, but it does need work. For example, selecting part of a message and hitting F4 includes the entire message, not the selected portion. It would be great when replying or forwarding an HTML message to have a choice of HTML or TXT. Further, it would be great to have a choice of people to reply to (for you Mulberry users you will know what I am talking about). -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.60.03 forerunner | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: TB! killed my server
Hello Sean, Tuesday (August 2, 2005, 10:03 AM) you wrote: today I was banned from my ISPs mail server because TB! was causing the server to slow to a crawl. What do you have for the following settings: 1. Account, Properties, Imap Fine Tune, When on-line refresh folders every: 2. Account, Properties, Options, Synchronize Folders Every: I am in a similar situation as you, in that I am trying TB! again after a break, and seem to recall one of these settings being set to update every one second and that caused a bundle of activity. Perhaps that is your situation as well. Good luck! -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: TB! killed my server
It's Ok. We've got it. Three times :-) You can stop sending this message. Now. :-) Sorry, I am red faced embarrassed. I tried to send the message from The Bat! and then exit. I tried a couple of times. I certainly did not hit send more than once. I look forward to IMAP stability on The Bat! -- Sincerely, John Thomas Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - Multiple Connections, and bad behaviour
Hello 9Val, Monday (August 1, 2005, 4:54 AM) you wrote: Could you give any hints when it happens? If it happens in the same conditions? I am glad you are working on this. I would imagine this problem is related to the following, all of which only happen occasionally: 1. Compress and reindex of IMAP shows damaged mailboxes. 2. Folder pain shows new messages even though the message list shows no new messages (fix is to navigate to another folder and back, which then shows a new message) 3. Deleting a message does not delete the message. 4. Deleting a message and navigating to another message shows the wrong message in the message viewer. BTW, I am back to TB! after trying out many other IMAP clients. I think IMAP is the way of the future because I can check it from work, home, and the road. TB! is doing much much better on IMAP lately and it is the fastest client by far. I think you still have some IMAP bugs (big ones, as mentioned above) and you are missing some IMAP features (de-duplicate, folder permissions), but you are certainly heading in the right direction. May I ask that all programmers of TB! work exclusively (except for specific tests) on IMAP for six months with a requirement of changing IMAP servers every month? This would give you a good users perspective, which would substantially help the program, in my view. Further, your client is so strong on the POP side, I do not think those users would be harmed in any way. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - Multiple Connections, and bad behaviour
JT May I ask that all programmers of TB! work exclusively (except for JT specific tests) on IMAP for six months with a requirement of changing JT IMAP servers every month? This would give you a good users JT perspective, which would substantially help the program, in my view. JT Further, your client is so strong on the POP side, I do not think JT those users would be harmed in any way. :-) POP doesn't take programmers time at all. But... As I wrote, time istakenby Unicode support, memory leaks fixing, HTML forward/reply,search capabilities and surely IMAP. So... I don't think they'll support your wish. Those fixes sound great and I am not sure why they would preclude you from operating in an IMAP environment, in fact, operating on an IMAP environment might actually help. As you can probably tell, I am back to Thurderbird because, in my view, it can be better used in a production (non-test) IMAP environment. -- Sincerely, John Thomas Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
Hello 9Val, Sunday (May 29, 2005, 4:06 PM) you wrote: 9 - creating HTML messages (Editor/Options/Message format/HTML) - 9 ...describe your problem here... Forward HTML Messages IS Un-obvious - I receive a ton of HTML formatted from my work associates (from Outlook). They are all able to forward these HTML messages and keep the formatting, but not me because I use TB! My work around is alternate-forward, so they are attached, but that is un-obvious. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.5.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 BayesIt! 0.8.1 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Two Line Subject Error - Line One Two Line Subject Error - Line Two
If you would stupid proof the program a tad more I would appreciate it. I copied a subject that had a carriage return, so the subject looked blank. Therefore, I typed in the subject again. The result was a portion of the headers showed up in the e-mail. I tried to replicate the problem in this e-mail. I think this should be fixed by not allowing carriage returns in the subject (Stupid Proof). What do you think? BTW, I am not using your fancy new beta, yet. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Antispam Bayes Filter Plugin 2.0.2 (Open Source)
Hello Achim, Thursday (February 17, 2005, 1:15 PM) you wrote: AW there is a new bugfixed and now hopefully stable version of the AW Bayes Filter Plugin available. I hope you will enjoy it. Thank you very much for this filter. It is filtering spam very nicely for me and has allowed me to uninstall a few other tools and complications (Spampal and Stunnel). This is very impressive work. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Antispam Bayes Filter Plugin 2.0.2 (Open Source)
Hello Bobi, Friday (February 18, 2005, 5:20 PM) you wrote: So what am I doing wrong how do I resolve this problem? BJ Edit TBPlugin.INI manually, and make sure Count= option's value BJ which is [EMAIL PROTECTED] BJ under [Plugins] include all all plugins. I had this problem as well, though not at first. This solution did work. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Sean, Sunday (December 5, 2004, 1:45 PM) you wrote: SR I gave up with Bayesit as it was missing the same spam time after SR time, I had this problem too. My guess is the database is not set up correctly, yet. No matter what my setting or how much training I fed Bayesit, it never seemed to catch more than 80% of the spam. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wish: HTML inline forwarding
Hello Alexander, Tuesday (November 9, 2004, 11:59 AM) you wrote: ASK as discussed on TBUDL (see subj.): ASK https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4036 Because of the apparent lack of clarity in the other branch of this thread, I would like to reiterate and clarify this request. In popular e-mail clients, when you in-line forward or reply to an HTML message the formatting of the original message remains in tack. In TB!, the in-line formatting of the message is lost. IMHO, TB! has it wrong here and this likely confuses and frustrates new users used to popular e-mail clients. Further, it frustrates me because I too would like to forward an HTML formatted e-mail with my comments, but I am not able to, without destroying the HTML formatting. While I am ranting, I cannot find an option, in common folders, to turn off Forward message as mime attachment. You must use Alternate Forward to get an in line forwarded message in common folders. Can anyone confirm this. (I hope I do not get blasted for not starting a new thread with this?) -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
HTML Renderer Trying to Access Internet
The attach message tries to contact remote computers. To reproduce: 1. Have a firewall or some other way to watch connections 2. Save the attached message. 3. Import the message into TB! Message base. 4. View Message. At this point, for me, TB! tries to connect to Yahoo servers on port 445 and 139. Can anyone confirm? FYI - I modified the message to protect my identity, I hope. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2---BeginMessage--- Yahoo! News - My Alerts Monday, October 25, 2004, 3:31 AM PDT BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) The EU trade commissioner has proposed lifting punitive tariffs on U.S. goods after Washington repealed illegal corporate tax breaks. Visit Yahoo! News for more details or search for this story on Yahoo! News Search. You received this email because you subscribed to Yahoo! Alerts. Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. If you do not want to receive this alert, use this link to unsubscribe or change the frequency of your delivery. If you have questions, send us feedback by visiting: http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/alerts/cgi_beta . If you would like to change or edit your communications preferences for this or other Yahoo! business lines, please visit your Marketing Preferences page. To learn more about Yahoo!'s use of personal information, including the use of web beacons in HTML-based email, please read our Privacy Policy. Yahoo! is located at 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. Copyright 1994-2004 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. ---End Message--- Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! v2.05 Beta/16 is now available
Hello Thomas, Friday (April 9, 2004, 12:00 PM) you wrote: TW If I start TB! the program is freezing. TW http://www.thebatworld.de/pictures/screenshoot_00096.gif I cannot seem to get 16 to start either. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 BayesIt! 0.4gmSE9 Current beta is 2.05 beta 16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! v2.05 Beta/16 is now available
Hello John, Friday (April 9, 2004, 12:30 PM) you wrote: TW If I start TB! the program is freezing. TW http://www.thebatworld.de/pictures/screenshoot_00096.gif JT I cannot seem to get 16 to start either. Deleting the virtual folders in 14 allows 16 to start for me. New virtual folders created in 16 show up as damaged with compress and reindex -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/16 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 BayesIt! 0.4gmSE9 Current beta is 2.05 beta 16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! v2.05 Beta/12 is now available
Hello Stefan, Friday (March 26, 2004, 11:39 AM) you wrote: ST [+] It is now possible to create Virtual Folders: New|Virtual ST Folder in the folder tree pop-up menu or Virtual Folder ST button in the Message Finder It would be nice if there were an option to select all folders. Currently, one must go back into each virtual folder and select new folders after creating new folders (i.e. creating new folders requires adding it to virtual folders on all folders.) -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.05 beta 12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Cntrl-Right Arrow - Does not work across accounts
I hit control-right arrow to go to the next new message, but I have to to use other methods if the message is in another account (key word there is account, across folders works fine). Wouldn't it be nice if control-right arrow would take you to the next new message even if it was a different account? Is this a bug or a feature or do I have a setting wrong? Can anyone confirm? BTW, it seems to me that Ritlabs has slowed down and really focused on fixing little bugs like this and I think this is great. The Bat! is getting makeup and lipstick ;) -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.03 Beta/47 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Create Reading Confirmation - Bug?
I get the attached message and I would like to not get it Create Reading Confirmation (Y/N?). I have all my accounts set to Ignore in Action under Templates/Reading Confirmation. I do *not* have a check by Prompt Before the Action. The messages that generate this confirmation request seem to be coming from an Exchange server, but I am not 100% confident. It seems to me this confirmation request is a bug based on my settings to ignore it without confirmation. It has been happening for a long time (i.e. not a recent bug?). -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1attachment: Create Reading Confirmation.jpg Current beta is 2.03 Beta/45 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/25 is now available
Hello Stefan, Monday (December 29, 2003, 9:33 AM) you wrote: ST [-] Double click on an address book item was not functional It is functional now in that it edits the entry. It used to create a new e-mail addressed to the entry. Perhaps this could be an option, after you spend some time with your family. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: POP3 mail stuck
Hello John, Sunday (November 9, 2003, 1:46 PM) you wrote: BB Can anyone confirm it? JT Confirmed here too. JT Using BayesIt! .04gm. and Spam Pal BTW SpamPal with BayesIt works great, except for this error we are discussing. If Spam Pal misses, Bayes filter gets it, usually with zero false positives. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.01.26 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: URL - File - Bug?
Hello Alexander, Sunday (September 21, 2003, 2:47 PM) you wrote: JT How do we get this fixed? AL Follow RFC and encode all such things Could you give me a link or someway to learn what you mean here? -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: URL - File - Bug?
Hello Peter, Friday (August 22, 2003, 2:30 AM) you wrote: Notice how the file:// does not highlight correctly when the name contains a comma. If you use file:/// (three slashes) it works. I confirm what you see, I just don't have an idea how it is supposed to work. I think commas are allowed in URLs, so two slashes should be sufficient IMHO. PP No. The format is PP protocolcolonslashslashlocation PP file : / / /machinename\sharename\foobar So this is a bug. How do we get this bug fixed. Here is an example of the comma error file://machinename/sharename/folder, foldername continued/filename.xls The bug also happens with parentheses space. file://machinename/sharename/folde)r( foldername continued/filename.xls How do we get this fixed? -- Best regards, John S. Thomas, Jr. Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The word Message or Bericht
Hello Stuart, Thursday (September 11, 2003, 3:18 AM) you wrote: MP Did anyone experience this already? SH Yeah, I get that when I get HTML message from Outlook users here in SH the office. Does anyone know if this will be fixed or if it should not be? It sure seems like a bug that should be fixed to me. I imagine new users who try this new TB! 2.0 will be put off by this bug and, not being a programmer, it seems easy to fix. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/9
Hello Ron, Friday (June 6, 2003, 4:11 AM) you wrote: ST A special note about Blockqoute macro (my hat off for the author): ST ST Since it is not possible to set values with CR/LF to headers ST since ST Beta/8, a variable should be used instead. The simples ST way is to ST insert the underscore character after the % and RS This is something that I never noticed before now. If I highlight a RS paragragh as I did above and hit F4 you can see the additional RS initials and quote marks that shouldn't be there. This happened to me too until I stopped using the QTs that automatically wrapped the quoted text. If you take those out, it should work fine. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 1.63b8 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 1.63 Beta/6
Hello Dave, On February 07, 2003, at 1:19 PM, you [DG] wrote (at least in part): The majority of the mail I receive is HTML and not having the ability to properly handle it in BAT is a real problem DG In what way doesn't TB! properly handle it? I've never had a DG problem reading an HTML email in TB!. I have had a problem with hidden text in HTML messages before. This might be a poor example, but you can generate the problem yourself by forwarding an HTML message to yourself and not removing the message.htm attachment. Type some text at the top. Send it. Now go back and look at the message in HTML format and your text will not be seen. If you switch over to text mode you can see your text. I have received mail with this invisible text before and switched over to the default txt view for a while because of the problem. The problem with this bug is it requires checking both the text and HTML version on every message to be sure nothing is missed. Please confirm this test and other examples. -- Best regards, John Thomas Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
NOD32.BAV - Flash Activation
When using the NOD32.BAV plug-in, something flashes on the screen. It is a little too fast for me to see what it is, but it looks like the NOD32 program. This flash causes the focus to be changed from where I am working. This becomes bothersome when working on a letter or even drafting another e-mail, because then I have to alt-tab or mouse back to the item I was working on. Anyone else experiencing this? I'm run 1.60c on W2k Pro SP2, if that matters. -- Best regards, John Thomas _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re[2]: NOD32.BAV - Flash Activation
Excellent questions. I should have given this information in my original post. JN 1. Why do you use the NOD32 BAV instead of NOD32's own POP3 scanner? The POP3 scanner will not handle encrypted (TLS) communication with the server. JN 2. Where did you get the NOD32 BAV? http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/bav/ -- Best regards, John Thomas _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
