Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - direct links to www.ritlabs.com
Hello everybody, on Montag, 16. September 2019 at 07:26 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - direct links to www.ritlabs.com This would be my choice > https://www.ritlabs.com/images/2019-09-16-screenshots/RegularMenu1.png Probably rather not > https://www.ritlabs.com/images/2019-09-16-screenshots/Ribbon.png I guess that like in MS Office, each menu point opens a whole new list of icons, right? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - direct links to www.ritlabs.com
Hello Maxim, Monday, September 16, 2019, 1:26:48 AM, you wrote: MMvT> Hello TBBETA! MMvT> As you may see, therer are screenshots of the main window in MMvT> different layouts: (1) in goold-old menu mode; and (2) in the new, ribbon mode. Could we see the window split mode: Full-Height Account Tree? Best regards, Stuart Pye --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Title: Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 viernes, 13 sep. 2019 at 23:15, it seems you wrote: OTOH, Windows Office 2010, which I can unfortunately not replace because of the VBA programming support, does waste my time with these horrible ribbons. I found no way yet to switch to a useable interface. It's a bit offtopic, but you can use one of these: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ (free por personal use) https://www.officeclassicmenu.com/en/download.php (has a trial version) With both the ribbon it's there, but you have the old menus available. Regards, -- /\ / Using The Bat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows (10.0.18362 ) / \/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.3.4.2 and Spanish Translator of The Bat! 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - direct links to www.ritlabs.com
September 16, 2019 Hello Maxim, Monday, September 16, 2019, 1:26:48 AM, you wrote: > As you may see, therer are screenshots of the main window in > different layouts: (1) in goold-old menu mode; and (2) in the new, ribbon > mode. The screen shots are very helpful. I am looking forward testing out the new beta with the Ribbon structure. Thanks. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc. Enabling your organization to anticipate the future with confidence! 1-200 North Service Road W. - Suite 311 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6M 2Y1 Phone 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 | e-mail supp...@thedesk.ca Website https://thedesk.ca/main 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - direct links to www.ritlabs.com
Hello Maxim, Monday, September 16, 2019, 12:26:48 AM, you wrote: > Hello TBBETA! > As you may see, therer are screenshots of the main window in different > layouts: (1) in goold-old menu mode; and (2) in the new, ribbon mode. > https://www.ritlabs.com/images/2019-09-16-screenshots/RibbonMinimized.png Can the ribbon be repositioned so it goes across the full screen, right under the menu bar? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - direct links to www.ritlabs.com
Hello Maxim, > https://www.ritlabs.com/images/2019-09-16-screenshots/Ribbon.png I would take this one, but it seems there's no place anymore for the Antispamsniper icons, which I use. -- Kind regards, Gunivortus Goos The Bat! Professional 64 bit, version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) Windows Pro 64 bit version 10, build nr. 18362 NordVPN vs. 6.22.6.0 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello Jernej, >> You can see the screenshots at >> https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120 > > I don't have Facebook, so I can't comment there I don't have Facebook either. My 'religion' does not allow me ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.8.9 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello Lüko, Saturday, September 14, 2019, 12:15:00 AM, you wrote: > BTW, I could not see much of those screenshots — they are miniature and I > could not enlarge them because they are on Facebook and I am not subject to > Mr. Zuckermans's spying. Your argument is quite reasonable. Should we make more screenshots, we will publish it on our own website. Our website uses "Facebook Pixel" script on the download page. If you don't want Mr. Zuckerman to know that somebody from your IP address have visited The Bat! download page, please add the followng line to the file C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts : 0.0.0.0 connect.facebook.net -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 05:42:13, Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote: > You can see the screenshots at > https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120 I don't have Facebook, so I can't comment there - can you show how TB9 looks if you enable "High Contrast - Black" theme in Windows (preferably, it should turn off it's own skins, and adjust itself to use the Windows' colours)? I've seen those same skins used in RoyalTS v3, and they did not look good with my high contrast theme at all. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< https://eternallybored.org/ > All laws, whether good, bad, or indifferent, must be obeyed to the letter. -- Les Miserables Metalaw 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 13. September 2019 at 00:59 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 > we will make an option to choose whether the user wishes to have a good old > menu or the ribbons. A big sigh of relief comes from my soul. I did not see this before sending my previous message on the subject. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 12. September 2019 at 10:38 Peter Herklotz GMX wrote re screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 Angry! > Ribbons are the bane of UI. Don't do it or at least make them switchable to a > classical UI. > Even with time to adapt to ribbons they ALWAYS are slower in achieving any > given task. I do agree with Peter Herklotz 100%. Ribbons are made to chain the user for too long time so that he does not get his work done, by wasting time to search thru ribbons. When the new Ultraedit introduced ribbons, they gave at least the choice to switch back to the regular interface for speed users as me. So switching back to the regular interface was the first thing I did. OTOH, Windows Office 2010, which I can unfortunately not replace because of the VBA programming support, does waste my time with these horrible ribbons. I found no way yet to switch to a useable interface. Trying to force a waste of my time is one more reason not to upgrade to TheBat 9 (the other being not supporting proper quoting in HTML mails). BTW, I could not see much of those screenshots — they are miniature and I could not enlarge them because they are on Facebook and I am not subject to Mr. Zuckermans's spying. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello j, Friday, September 13, 2019, 2:54:34 AM, you wrote: > And my my would GPG support working again be a treat! Your old > internal PGP support is what brought me to your product in the > beginning. We will not keep the internal implementation any of PGP longer. We will only keep the GnuPG integration. The Internal Implementation was based on RFC-1991, which use MD5, IDEA and RSA algorithms. Although IDEA (International Data Encryption Algorithm) and RSA are still considered secure, MD5 is not. That's why we have decided to drop internal RFC-1991 implementation in favour of GnuPG. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
September 12, 2019 Hello Maxim, Thursday, September 12, 2019, 6:59:20 PM, you wrote: > The ribbons what you saw are automatically generated from the same > resources as the menu. So we will make an option to choose whether > the user wishes to have a good old menu or the ribbons. Sounds like a great plan. Thanks Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc. Enabling your organization to anticipate the future with confidence! 1-200 North Service Road W. - Suite 311 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6M 2Y1 Phone 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 | e-mail supp...@thedesk.ca Website https://thedesk.ca/main 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello Maxim, Thursday, September 12, 2019, 6:59:20 PM, you wrote: > The ribbons what you saw are automatically generated from the same > resources as the menu. So we will make an option to choose whether > the user wishes to have a good old menu or the ribbons. Maybe best to just hide the "automatically generated" and allow the continued use of the good old menu. And my my would GPG support working again be a treat! Your old internal PGP support is what brought me to your product in the beginning. -- Peace, j i m mailto:j...@mattern.us 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello Peter, Essentially, what will be changed is replaced the TBX/SPTBX/TB2K libraries with DevExpress libraries. What DevExpress library provides is ribbons, but it also provides the usual menu. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello Peter, Thursday, September 12, 2019, 11:38:08 AM, you wrote: > Ribbons are the bane of UI. Don't do it or at least make them switchable to a > classical UI. > Even with time to adapt to ribbons they ALWAYS are slower in > achieving any given task. I see that with my customers every day - and with > myself as well. The ribbons what you saw are automatically generated from the same resources as the menu. So we will make an option to choose whether the user wishes to have a good old menu or the ribbons. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
> What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 > which is currently in development? > If you like them, please put "Like". If you don't, please put "Angry". Thank > you! Done. -- Kind regards, Gunivortus Goos The Bat! Professional 64 bit, version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) Windows Pro 64 bit version 10, build nr. 18362 NordVPN vs. 6.22.6.0 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
On 12 September 2019 at 13:28 Andrew Savchenko wrote and made these points ... >> "developers also mentioned that the PGP internal implementation will >> be removed" AS> For myself, functional PGP/GPG is absolutely crucial. If multitude of AS> present GPG-related bugs are not eventually fixed in v9, I would need AS> to either switch back to Claws or move to Thunderbird/Enigmail combo. AS> Both are free applications by the way. ... I, too, would like to see GPG support working again in the 64 bit build. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.8.9.12 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.18362 pgpBPQiz4Nrgr.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello Maxim, On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 06:42:13 +0300 GMT (12-Sep-19, 10:42 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote: > (cross-posted to TBUDL, TBBETA) > Hello, > What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 > which is currently in development? > You can see the screenshots at > https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120 > If you like them, please put "Like". If you don't, please put "Angry". Thank > you! It's not so easy. I would have to try them to say whether I like them. On first sight, they look a bit overloaded. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Maxim, I don't like ribbons either. But maybe that is the old guy, resistant to change view. Ribbons don't seem to be going away. Anyway, I don't think putting all functions in a toolbar is a good idea. Too much to search through for the function I am looking for. Is there a way of grouping/organizing that makes the location of a function obvious while not hidden in a multitude of other functions I almost never use? On the other hand, I have spent much time searching the old tool bar designer for functions I need, like Open Reply. Where could it be hidden, I wonder? Ribbon or not, making things easy to find is the problem to solve. > (cross-posted to TBUDL, TBBETA) > Hello, > What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 > which is currently in development? > You can see the screenshots at > https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120 > If you like them, please put "Like". If you don't, please put "Angry". Thank > you! -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
On Thursday, September 12, 2019 Peter Herklotz GMX wrote: > Ribbons are the bane of UI. Don't do it or at least make > them switchable to a classical UI. no ribbons, please! (Or switchable) Best regards, Maik -- Using The Bat! v8.8.9.12 (BETA) (on-the-fly-encryption by eToken) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello Maxim, Thursday, September 12, 2019, 1:12:13 PM, you wrote: > You can see the screenshots at > https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120 I think that in 2019 blocking subset of FB domains sounds like a reasonable idea... After spending some minutes solving Google captchas in Tor Browser, I don't have any particular feelings about the new interface. Hope that text under icons can be hidden and duplicated toolbars are bug, not a deliberate design choice (screenshot attached). My main concern is this: > "developers also mentioned that the PGP internal implementation will > be removed" For myself, functional PGP/GPG is absolutely crucial. If multitude of present GPG-related bugs are not eventually fixed in v9, I would need to either switch back to Claws or move to Thunderbird/Enigmail combo. Both are free applications by the way. This would be unfortunate as I have recently purchased TheBat! license and would like to continue using it. With regards, A 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - "Angry"
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 11:42:13 PM, you wrote: > What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 > which is currently in development? > You can see the screenshots at > https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120 > If you like them, please put "Like". If you don't, please put "Angry". Thank > you! -- Peace, j i mmailto:j...@fastmail.fm 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hi List, > Ribbons are the bane of UI. Don't do it or at least make them > switchable to a classical UI. full agreement. -- Best wishes Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://thebat.bplaced.net 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
September 12, 2019 Hello Maxim, Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 11:42:13 PM, you wrote: > What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 > which is currently in development? I like the proposed changes. Looking forward to testing them. Thanks. -- Ethan J. Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc. Enabling your organization to anticipate the future with confidence! 1-200 North Service Road W. - Suite 311 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6M 2Y1 Phone 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 | e-mail supp...@thedesk.ca Website https://thedesk.ca/main 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello, > What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 > which is currently in development? > You can see the screenshots at > https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120 Ribbons are the bane of UI. Don't do it or at least make them switchable to a classical UI. Even with time to adapt to ribbons they ALWAYS are slower in achieving any given task. I see that with my customers every day - and with myself as well. Regards Peter 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html