Re[2]: Very calm

2023-02-27 Thread Adrian
Hi,

cleaning up legacy code sounds great. Assuming this isn't webapp-ifying it of
course (I'd use Thunderbird if I wanted a webapp-like email client).

I hope his means that the DAILY crashes due to improper memory accesses and null
pointer dereferencing (happening both of my PCs, when I do IMAP stuff from PC A,
TB crashes on PC B, and vice versa) goes away.

And maybe this also fixes the annoying problem where one folder (not many
mails in it, and even after deleting the IMAP folder cache) have extremely
poor performance (over a second to switch between emails, which are all
available locally - so no network isue - and during which the whole TB UI is
frozen).

PS: I'd gladly demonstrate / help debug these issues if someone reaches out to
me directly.

FWIW, both issues are annoying enough that I'd seriously consider switching
email clients if there was an alternative with the same concise UI (most email
clients nowadays waste space like every designer seems to love when adding huge
paddings and margins nowadays), that does not feel like a webapp... As a
customer for over 15 years now it'd be a shame to have to move to something
else though!

Cheers
Adrian

> Hello Martin, 

>> Did I miss something, does this mailing list no longer exist? It has
>> become so quiet...

> Please stay tuned - we continue development, the problem is that there is
> some amount of heavy lifting (related to revising of legacy code) to de done
> in order to finish the current tasks. Plus, we've started conversion the
> current code into multi-platform project, this also takes quite an effort.

> Yeah, the current situation in the neighborhood and in the World doesn't make
> things easy, but we're still here and still working  :-)




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Re: Very calm

2023-02-27 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Monday, February 27, 2023, 12:40:47, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote:

> Plus, we've started conversion the current code into multi-platform project, 
> this also takes quite an effort.

Please don't turn The Bat into another Electron/web UI project.

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Re: Very calm

2023-02-27 Thread Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA
Hello Martin, 

> Did I miss something, does this mailing list no longer exist? It has
> become so quiet...

Please stay tuned - we continue development, the problem is that there is some 
amount of heavy lifting (related to revising of legacy code) to de done in 
order to finish the current tasks. Plus, we've started conversion the current 
code into multi-platform project, this also takes quite an effort.

Yeah, the current situation in the neighborhood and in the World doesn't make 
things easy, but we're still here and still working  :-)

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Re: Fwd: Re: Very calm

2023-02-27 Thread Георгий , Белрус
This is not a facts. 
 
>> scary place etc-etc-etc
This is just political flood and flame. And you know it. 
 
 
Monday, February 27, 2023, 1:17:26 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Белрус,

> Monday, February 27, 2023, 9:31:56 AM, you wrote:

>>>>> I'm still around. Maybe Moldova is a very scary place to be right now, 
>>>>> with Ukraine next door. I'd be very scared, for certain. 

>> Привет!
>> Don't add politic here please. 
> That was a statement of facts. 
> Your interjection was the first one that introduced politics in my eyes. And 
> to be honest, from a side that I would expect to exercise extreme calmness 
> interjecting around this topic out of all others.


> Viktor




>> Monday, February 27, 2023, 11:13:33 AM, you Stuart Pye  
>> wrote:

>>> I'm still around. Maybe Moldova is a very scary place to be right now, with 
>>> Ukraine next door. I'd be very scared, for certain. 


>>>  Original Message 
>>> From: Martin 
>>> Sent: Mon Feb 27 02:22:53 EST 2023
>>> To: TBBETA 
>>> Subject: Very calm

>>> Hi list

>>> Did I miss something, does this mailing list no longer exist? It has
>>> become so quiet...
> ¨


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Re: Fwd: Re: Very calm

2023-02-27 Thread Viktor Kabelac
Hello Белрус,

Monday, February 27, 2023, 9:31:56 AM, you wrote:

>>>> I'm still around. Maybe Moldova is a very scary place to be right now, 
>>>> with Ukraine next door. I'd be very scared, for certain. 
> Привет!
> Don't add politic here please. 
That was a statement of facts. 
Your interjection was the first one that introduced politics in my eyes. And to 
be honest, from a side that I would expect to exercise extreme calmness 
interjecting around this topic out of all others.


Viktor




> Monday, February 27, 2023, 11:13:33 AM, you Stuart Pye  wrote:

>> I'm still around. Maybe Moldova is a very scary place to be right now, with 
>> Ukraine next door. I'd be very scared, for certain. 


>>  Original Message 
>> From: Martin 
>> Sent: Mon Feb 27 02:22:53 EST 2023
>> To: TBBETA 
>> Subject: Very calm

>> Hi list

>> Did I miss something, does this mailing list no longer exist? It has
>> become so quiet...
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Fwd: Re: Very calm

2023-02-27 Thread Георгий , Белрус
Привет!

Don't add politic here please. 

Best Regards, George Salnik
RitLabs Russian Forum Moderator


Monday, February 27, 2023, 11:13:33 AM, you Stuart Pye  wrote:

> I'm still around. Maybe Moldova is a very scary place to be right now, with 
> Ukraine next door. I'd be very scared, for certain. 


>  Original Message 
> From: Martin 
> Sent: Mon Feb 27 02:22:53 EST 2023
> To: TBBETA 
> Subject: Very calm

> Hi list

> Did I miss something, does this mailing list no longer exist? It has
> become so quiet...
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Very calm

2023-02-26 Thread Martin
Hi list

Did I miss something, does this mailing list no longer exist? It has
become so quiet...

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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Tony,

@19 May 2002, 13:57:06 +0100 Tony Boom wrote in
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MDP I can recommend Imad's ckt build of 6.5.8 - see
MDP http://www.ipgpp.com/.

 I might recommend it as well if I could find it? The site just takes
 me round in circles and I can't find anywhere to download it from?

There's a combo box top left of the front page for quick-download of
any of the software Imad offers. PGP 6.5.8ckt is there. Included in
the release build is a brand new plug-in for TB, re-written by Imad
himself (with the full cooperation of RITlabs).

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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Kevin Coates

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Hi Dierk!

On Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 11:53:10 +0200 (5:53 AM my local time)
Dierk Haasis wrote in: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

DH On Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 10:45:27 AM you wrote:

 The only claim I'm actually making is that the whole idea of
 digital signatures is pointless.

DH So, this whole discussion shows various reasons (from trust into
DH issuers to reliability) why S/MIME is *not* superior to PGP.

I like the concept of s/mime but based on the problems we've
encountered here, it doesn't seem quite ready for prime time. However,
I don't think we should give up on it. I'm sure eventually the flaws
will be sorted out.

In the meantime, for anything secure I prefer pgp. I never liked the
s/mime concept that I had to get a cert from a 3rd party who would
have a copy of my key. I like the fact that I can generate my own with
pgp. I also like the fact that I can get someone else's public key
easily off of the key servers. I can always request a copy from the
party directly, if I'm concerned that the published key is in
question. This seems more sensible to me than jumping hoops to try and
get other s/mime certs working. I still would like to get s/mime
working smoothly because some people will never use pgp but might try
s/mime. At least we have both options available with The Bat.

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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Kevin Coates

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Hi Tony!

On Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 12:46:33 +0100 (7:46 AM my local time) Tony
Boom wrote in: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

As long as your starting from ground zero, you might as well get a
copy of PGP 6.5.8ckt build 8 from here: http://www.ipgpp.com/

The plug in for The Bat is included and it works quite well and is a
bit more informative when checking signatures or decrypting messages.

TB I did join the list at one time but it was all way above me. Far
TB too technical and I felt too embarrassed to ask anything for fear
TB of looking a... Well, you know what I mean.

The PGPBasics group seems to be one of the more friendlier lists that
I've run across. I'm sure that you will find all the answers to your
questions in the group. Alternatively, I'm sure someone there would be
happy to answer your questions privately.

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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Boom

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This message: 19/05/2002 15:18 GMT.

Hello Thomas,


  A reminder of what Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  19 May 2002 at 15:40:46 GMT +0200

TE On http://www.ipgpp.com/ there are several pull-downs on the left. The
TE first is named Quick CKT Downloads. There you'll find the
TE recommended Version..

Thanks Tom, I've got it installed now.


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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Boom

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This message: 19/05/2002 17:28 GMT.

Hello Marck,


  A reminder of what Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  19 May 2002 at 15:29:54 GMT +0100

MDP There's a combo box top left of the front page for quick-download of
MDP any of the software Imad offers. PGP 6.5.8ckt is there.

I tried that a dozen times and no matter what I selected it opened up a new
window with exactly the same contents. It just kept going round in circles
over and over again.

I've installed 6.5.8 desktop, I think it was you that gave me the url for
it along while ago. If anyone would like to check my key to make sure I've
done it OK please.




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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Boom

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This message: 19/05/2002 17:35 GMT.

Hello Marck,


  A reminder of what Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  19 May 2002 at 15:29:54 GMT +0100

MDP There's a combo box top left of the front page for quick-download of
MDP any of the software Imad offers. PGP 6.5.8ckt is there.

Well I've just been there, tried it again and the same page just keeps
loading in a new window over and over again.

I have sussed out however what the problem was and I'm not too sure I
like downloading from a site that only works if I shut my fire wall
down.

Anyway. do I need to uninstall what I've just installed before I try
the CKT version?


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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Boom

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This message: 19/05/2002 17:53 GMT.

Hello Marck,


  A reminder of what Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  19 May 2002 at 17:46:38 GMT +0100


MDP gpg: Signature made 05/19/02 16:32:08 044 using DSA key ID F74BE10F
MDP gpg: Good signature from Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Ok thank you very much, didn't take you long to get my key!

Can you possibly tell me the details of how to subscribe to the PGP
exceptionally very basic list please. I've a feeling people will get
bored with me on here... Many thanks.


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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Bill . Hewitt

Hi Tony,

On Sun, 19 May 2002 17:38:50 +0100, you [Tony Boom] wrote:

I have sussed out however what the problem was and I'm not too sure I
like downloading from a site that only works if I shut my fire wall
down.

It's not your firewall, Tony.  Take a look at your browser 'security'
settings.  I suspect that denying scripts is the problem.

If you have PGP 2.6.x installed it can remain in place.  If memory
serves me correctly PGP 6.5.8ckt will prompt and remove any prior
5.x.x or 6.x.x version.
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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Tony,

@19 May 2002, 17:32:00 +0100 Tony Boom wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 If anyone would like to check my key to make sure I've done it OK
 please.

gpg: Signature made 05/19/02 16:32:08 044 using DSA key ID F74BE10F
gpg: Good signature from Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Boom

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This message: 19/05/2002 18:10 GMT.

Hello Bill,


  A reminder of what Bill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  19 May 2002 at 12:49:47 GMT -0400

BHMC It's not your firewall, Tony.  Take a look at your browser 'security'
BHMC settings.  I suspect that denying scripts is the problem.


Well as soon as I closed ZoneAlarm pro down it all worked fine. It went
straight to the download page. It just went round in circles before
that.

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Re[2]: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Alexander Leschinsky

Hello Kevin,

   On Sun, 19 May 2002 10:48:06 -0400 (19.05.02 20:48 my local time)
   you wrote about OT: Very calm...,
   at least in part:

KC I never liked the
KC s/mime concept that I had to get a cert from a 3rd party who would
KC have a copy of my key. I like the fact that I can generate my own with
KC pgp.
Well, I solved this problem for own needs easy
1. Created own CA
2. Generated keys for all needed contacts

Nobody (except needed me persons, which I know and transmit certs from
habd to hand) trust this CA, but it's not a problem for small
comminity - we can see corporate PKI on market... And some mans use it
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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-19 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Tony,

@19 May 2002, 17:55:18 +0100 Tony Boom wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Can you possibly tell me the details of how to subscribe to the
 PGP exceptionally very basic list please. I've a feeling people
 will get bored with me on here... Many thanks.

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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-16 Thread Kevin Coates

Hi Martin!

On Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 07:23:55 +0200 (1:23 AM my local time)
Martin Schoch wrote in: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

KC ... Please let me know if this one is any better. I switched to
KC the Internal Implimentation since the updates.

MS This one is ok - the first wasn't

Thanks for the response. I'm not sure what the problem was but
apparently there was one.

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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-16 Thread Kevin Coates

Hi Alexander!

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 07:40:21 +0600 (9:40 PM my local time)
Alexander Leschinsky wrote in:
msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

KC It looks okay from my end. Is anyone else having problems with my
KC cert?

AL Everybody, who have selected internal S/MIME and nobody with
AL MS-CryptoAPI, which _you_ use

Well, I reinstalled my certificate and am now using the internal
s/mime. So does that mean that now the reverse is true, or can users
of either implementation view my cert as valid.

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Re[2]: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-15 Thread Alexander Leschinsky

Hello Kevin,

   On Wed, 15 May 2002 20:08:15 -0400 (16.05.02 06:08 my local time)
   you wrote about OT: Very calm...,
   at least in part:

KC It looks okay from my end. Is anyone else having problems
KC with my
KC cert?
Everybody, who have selected internal S/MIME and nobody with MS-CryptoAPI,
which _you_ use

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Re[2]: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-15 Thread Alexander Leschinsky

Hello Jacek,

   On Wed, 15 May 2002 23:17:23 +0200 (16.05.02 03:17 my local time)
   you wrote about OT: Very calm...,
   at least in part:

JW In TB! 1.60k I can still see:

JW ,- [ S/MIME certificate information ]
JW | This S/MIME certificate is invalid. The issuer of this
JW | certificate chain was not found.
JW '-

JW Am I doing sth wrong?
JW Can someone explain this problem step by step?
View cerificate - certification path tab

And see - what is chin in _your_ case... I see

Verisign
   BT
  Tony

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Re: OT: Very calm...

2002-05-15 Thread Martin Schoch



Hello Kevin Coates

On Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:31:16 AM you wrote:

KC Well, after some head scratching, I downloaded some new certificates
KC for my various addresses and imported them. I also added them to my
KC address book and locally everything looks fine. Please let me know if
KC this one is any better. I switched to the Internal Implimentation
KC since the updates.

This one is ok - the first wasn't

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