On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:34:06 GMT, Joe wrote:
I will say that V3 is not stable, at lease for me.
I have had no stability problems. The post-release Beta, which is
not really appropriate for discussion on this list, is working fine
for me, and my CPU is old and slow, although there's plenty
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:10:31 GMT, Robin Anson wrote:
In the new message window, click on the AB icon
at the end of the address line, find your contact in the RH
(name) pane of the Pick e-mail addresses window, then right
click on the contact. The add addresses option then lets you
select
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:33:58 GMT, Stuart Cuddy wrote:
SP 2 creates a brand new feature in OE that gives you the
option to
'Block images and other external content in HTML e-mail.'
Mozilla and Thunderbird have had this feature for two or three
years. It's not new competition for TB!
How, if at all, can I reconstruct the munged e-mail addresses that
appear here through the Gmane NNTP gateway?
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:04:51 GMT, Terry G. Munson wrote:
When I want to send a message to the individual I right click on
the AB entry pick new than message to and I get a list of
all e-mail address for this individual and I pick the one I want
to use.
Thanks. That's helpful information.
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:58:59 GMT, Terry G. Munson wrote:
the automatic completion of addresses in a
new message (or forward, reply etc.) only works if a message has
previously been sent to that address.
A user can set it to operate that way, or to autocomplete from AB
entries. I have chosen
This is an issue that has come up so many times in different ways
that I'm wondering if I'm missing something or if it's just a blind
spot in an otherwise powerful program.
People have multiple e-mail addresses. It's just the way it works.
But TB! has only one e-mail address field. Yes, I
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:08:01 GMT, Lynn wrote:
Cont-+ will cycle all the addresses you
have for a particular person
With what type of setup? I mean, how are the addresses/contacts
entered for that to work?
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:05:47 GMT, Peter Meyns wrote:
I find TB!'s implemented support of GnuPG quite sufficient. I have
GPGShell installed here, but I rarely use it.
Peter, do you have just one signing key? It's been quite a while
since I tried to use GPG from within TB!, but I couldn't get
I read somewhere that TB3 has customizable toolbars. I cannot find a
place to change the icons. Can this be done?
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I need the plaintext version of a password to one of my POP accounts
that is in TB!'s account properties. I seem to have changed it since
I last recorded it, and now I need it again. TB! won't let me copy
the p/w field in account properties. How else can I figure out what
password my mailer
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:25:11 GMT, Roel wrote:
There's a file 'protocol.ini', change 'logging=0' to 'logging=1'
Roel, it worked like a charm; thank you very much. How in the world
did you know?
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:31:06 GMT, Mark Wieder wrote:
Thanks for your moderation over the years, and your
level-headedness and voice of sanity, and for putting up with
the rest of us.
I missed your initial post, Allie. I'm sorry to see you go.
Thanks much for being one of the Pillars of
In TB! 2.12.03, under Folder/Properties, there's a Watched By...
button. What is that feature about?
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 05:41:47 GMT, Chris wrote:
highlight every message, then export. As well as taking a long
time with lots of folders to export, this wouldn't keep the
folder structure that I have now. Do I have this right?
Yes, I think you have it correct. You can select all msgs in a
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:01:12 GMT, Chris wrote:
What is the best way to archive messages in The Bat?
IMO there are two best ways to go. One is to export the
messages to a Unix-style mailbox. Tools/Export/Unix. That is a
stable format that can be imported by many programs, including TB!
I thought I had this down, but apparently not. I have a folder
containing mail that needs to be processed. The folder properties
indicate that the Column Settings is set to use folder specific
settings. However, when I click a column heading to sort by that
field--e.g., From instead of
On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:49:23 GMT, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
Item Item Item
Auto-format is your enemy here. Learn the toggle (Ctrl-Shift-F
is
the default) and kick it in and out as needed.
There are times, however, when you'll want to keep the auto-
formatting going but still avoid the Item
I seem to recall some threads in the past about incorporating a way
to empty all trash folders with one global object. I cannot find it.
Was it ever implemented?
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:25:19 GMT, M i c C u l l e n wrote:
9Val And one more - Smart wrapping of quoted text which
doesn't work in 9Val Windows editor.
Yep, that's another big plus. Now, if they can just give the
option of proportional fonts...
Much agreed. That would be a very
What's the address for reporting bugs?
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Following the familiar directions on the Ritlabs home page, I installed version 2.12
over my previous version, which was 2.11.3. My address book has disappeared.
There is still a large .abd file in the directory of the account with administrator
privileges, which is in a user profile data
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:49:44 GMT, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
Use File | Open from the AB menu to select the address book.
Thanks. I was just coming back to report that I'd figured it out,
but your response beat me to it.
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Current
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:39:23 GMT, wrote:
This however looks ugly in the days of proportional fonts. Thus
one
space is recommended in that situation.
Some people differ on those conclusions. While I'm all in favor
of attractive type, the two-spaces-after-a-period approach has
more than
Is there any way to have Alt+L not change the spacing after periods
from two to one?
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In TB! 2.11.03, I tried to delete a reminder after its time had come
and gone, but was unable to do it. I went in through
Tools/Scheduler. Is there another way that is required, or do past
scheduled items not delete?
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Current version
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:13:19 GMT, Chris wrote:
Either make a feature request or wait for Longhorn...
Ya know, for several years I have not been a fan of MS' products.
For example, I think the IBM/Lotus desktop suite works WAY better,
and the list goes on and on, including TB! compared with
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:51:57 GMT, Allie Martin wrote:
You may also be using POP3 but with encryption. Again, the usual
POP3 scanners will not detect viruses over an ecrypted feed. The
plugin helps there.
Allie, wouldn't the AMON filter detect the virus when it hits the
disk or memory in
Since TB! has started to adopt some impressive features, I've been
thinking about how well they might replace my current info managers.
The scheduling and linking features in the current release are quite
nice, but I haven't found a way to link notepad entries to contacts.
Here's the problem
Someone sends me a message from their mail chat window. It comes
into my inbox when I poll for mail. The message, though visible in
the preview pane, will not open. If I go into my own chat mode, the
message is not there. I can select the message and click 'reply,' to
send back a response,
I'm trying to figure out how to work the chat thing. It would be
nice if there were some documentation, like what are the necessary
preconditions to having incoming and outgoing messages within the
chat folder. Apart from learning how to operate it, though, I have a
more prosaic concern: my
(I'm not sure which list would be most appropriate, so I'm sending
this post to TBUDL. If it should go on a different one, the mods
should please lemme know.)
Would the developers or the contributors who are close to them
please offer a few words on TB!'s direction? There's no published
This is a follow-up to previous posts concerning TB!'s poor
processing in some circumstances of a browser's mailto: or send
command. Another example--though it may take a little work to
test this--is from the online NY Times of May 28, 2004.
http://www.nytimes.com Toward the right side of
On Sun, 16 May 2004 22:19:09 GMT, Martin Webster wrote:
In that case, you can create your own profile and change the
default applications for mail and Web browsing. Right click on
the Start button and select Properties. Then select the Start
Menu tab and click on Customize. Now select your
(As background: My TB! is password protected, so a login dialog
appears before the program opens.) If I click a mailto: link when
TB! is closed, a message edit window comes up, then a login dialog
comes up; after logging in, another message edit window comes up. Is
there any way to clean up
Prior to the current version, 2.10.01, TB! would gray out the
'delete' option when right-clicking on an HTML attachment when the
associated e-mail message was sent only in HTML, not multi-part. In
practice, this meant that it was safe to delete the HTML part any
time the 'delete' option was
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:12:30 GMT, MAU wrote:
did you select any folders to pull
from?
Bingo. Thanks.
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1. What's the function of the 'compress on exit' option when
setting up a virtual folder, if the VF contains only a pointer and
not the message. Seems a re-indexing might be in order, but a
compression...?
2. The VF setup has a filter dialog. Is that to pull messages
in? Assuming that it
This question was answered some time ago, but I can find the answer
neither in my own databases nor in the archives.
How can one move a list of e-mail addresses into the AB? I have
several last names in one column of 1-2-3 spreadsheet, first names in
another column, and e-mail addresses in
I tried to find the reply wrap template, tried to find the whole
library of templates, but was stymied. I found only Marck's few
sample templates. Sorry for asking a question I should know how to
answer (I think from time to time I've even steered others there),
but could someone please
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:27:25 GMT, Allie Martin wrote:
You'd have to do it manually, i.e., expand the
thread, select all messages in the thread and then apply the colour
group.
Or set a filter on the subject or reference and run it manually.
Thereafter new messages would be colored
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:00:28 GMT, dAniel hAhler wrote:
Do you get the same results for those links (ie mailto-link in
recipient field)? Or is it just missing subject/body?
I get the same results, i.e., mailto: link in
recipient field.
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Not long ago, I posted something about a problem that occasionally
surfaces when I click a mailto link. No one else reported
experiencing it, and I could not reproduce it. Now I have.
It happens in two circumstances, both of which start from a
Mozilla-based browser. In my case it is a
I received a message mailed out from Outlook/Exchange, and the
paragraphs appeared fine in TB! I forwarded the message, and the
paragraphs in the TB! composition window were not wrapped.
1. Why?
2. I used Alt-L, but, if I had not done that, would they have
wrapped on mailing or otherwise
Is there a way to preserve lines in a template but to render them
inactive, such as rem or ' does in other programming
situations?
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I've been happy using SpamPal and some plug-ins, including the
Bayesian filter, with TB! Is there any reason I should consider
switching to Bayesit?
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Thank you, moderators, for having a collectively open mind, taking
time from your other activities, and making a concentrated effort to
explore the best newsserver-related options, arrange for the mirror,
and explain various aspects of it to us users/subscribers.
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Although this post is an inquiry into whether posting straight from a
newsreader into GMane will work, it's also a test, since it *is* a
post straight from a newsreader into GMane. So: if this appears,
then all is well and no response is necessary. Subscribers can just
point and post. (If
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:03:48 GMT, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
until I say otherwise, please don't
post here unless you have set up an X-encrypt header
Okay. I think I've set that up
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:56:38 GMT, wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have the leave messages on
the server option selected in the mail management preferences
for the account. This does not appear to be working! Any ideas?
Version is 2.04.07, running on XP SP1
Not confirmed here. For my
When I click on a mailto: link on the Web and TB! is not already
loaded, here's what happens:
1. A compose windows comes up with the account I've set as default
for mailto: links;
2. A log-in screen comes up (I have a multi-account group for TB!);
3. Once logged in, another compose
Johannes,
On Wednesday, March 03, 2004, Johannes Posel wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
receive some spam at the address I use for public newsgroups, but
it's easily filtered; and I receive no spam from, and see no
spamming posts on, newsgroups on secure servers that require
On Tuesday, March 02, 2004, Dave Gorman wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
if TB is used as a news reader with MyGate or other such software,
then users may start demanding features which are more news reader
specific, therefore changing the focus of development away from
priorities more
Roelof,
On Wednesday, March 03, 2004, Roelof Otten wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Does it happen to every mailto: link or just one?
Well, I thought it was every time a subject was specified in the code,
but none of the tests I just made failed to work properly. Stay
tuned; I'll find a
Urban,
On Saturday, February 28, 2004, Urban wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I agree. It is about an e-mail client after all...
U Totally agree with you Peter. It would be rather silly if TB* went
U NNTP: To get help on how to use mail, you first have to learn how to
U usenet...
I do not
I have preferred this ML format to a newsgroup format, but IMO the
volume of this list has now exceeded a busy person's ability to handle
it in mailing list format. It would be easier to scan, store, read,
and otherwise manage the growing volume if it were on the Usenet. What
do others think of
Mark,
On Saturday, February 28, 2004, Mark Wieder wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
MW Shouldn't this be in the FAQ by now so we can just put it to rest?
No, it shouldn't. See, in particular, the responses by Allie
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and Frank de Bruin
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], both of whom
TB!'s desktop icon choices seem to be embedded in the executable. Is
there a place to find the bitmaps themselves, so I can use it in my
IBM Word Pro word processing app to launch TB!?
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How can I move an account, i.e., all the folders for one account, to a
different location in my folder tree. It doesn't work to treat the
account name like a folder and alt+click it. (There are several
accounts viewable, because they are grouped.)
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Allister,
On Monday, January 12, 2004, Allister Jenks wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There's a pretty good explanation here:
http://www.apparent-wind.com/gmt-explained.html
Great reference! Thanks for putting it on the list.
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Kitty,
On Tuesday, January 06, 2004, Kitty wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
First, I get several messages a day from a variety of different
supposed authors that just have random words and nothing else.
Techniques like you described are common devices intended to fool spam
tools that
Happy New Year to regulars, newcomers, and visitors!
I have an account which is part of a group. When I log on TB! to just
that one account, a full address book is available when I click the
icon on the toolbar. When, however, I log on TB! to the group and go
into that account, there is no
The status line at the bottom of my TB! screen has gone missing! Any
idea how to return it to its rightful place??
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Never mind. Figured it out.
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Thomas,
On Thursday, January 01, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have an account which is part of a group. When I log on TB! to
just that one account, a full address book is available when I
click the icon on the toolbar. When, however, I log on TB! to the
group
Joseph,
On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, Joseph N. wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sorta a big problem with the latest release, the CE: my message
lists have disappeared.
View/Mode/Generic took care of the problem. But why was there the
problem with only two folders in one account
Okay, just ignore it all. Figured out the view problem. Figured out
the view mode changes. Everything is working just fine, thank you
very much.
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I just deleted two large attachments from a message in a particular
folder. My attachments are set to be kept in the envelope, not in a
separate folder. I clicked Folder/Compress after deleting the
attachments, but received a pop-up window informing me that there was
nothing to compress because
Sorta a big problem with the latest release, the CE: my message lists
have disappeared. Two different folders with new messages. Other
folders are fine. The message base is accessible with Mailbag
Assistant, but unreadable from within TB!
How could this have occurred in a full release?? And is
Roelof,
Thanks for the info. Exactly what I needed.
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Is anyone connecting to gmx.net via IMAP? They discontinued the
English service since I started, and I cannot read German, so I'm
somewhat at a loss. I tried to connect, but either I have the name of
the IMAP-capable server wrong or one cannot connect via IMAP (which
seems unlikely). Anyone here
On Thursday, November 20, 2003, Roelof Otten wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
JN How, if at all, can I move my QT's from one account to another?
Check at template edit screen 'Share with other accounts'. When you
really want to move them, use cut and paste.
When you want to move them from
On Sunday, November 23, 2003, Joseph N. wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Anyone here knowledgeable about the subject care to share some info?
Found some stuff myself. IMAP appears to be available only with their
TopMail and GMXpro services.
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How, if at all, can I move my QT's from one account to another?
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On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on the subject of TB!'s
memo autoview.
FWIW, I think your suggestions are excellent. I occasionally use the
memo feature, but your ideas would be valuable enhancements.
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On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, Susanne wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
S I've tried to use the OE info I was given, but this didn't work.
Why not? I think that's your best bet, because it has the port
numbers and any authentication requirements. If OE can do it, it is
likely that TB! can
On Monday, October 27, 2003, Joseph N. wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've started using one of those password generators on occasion,
because I've about used up all the cute ones I can remember. But now
I need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to keep them
in mind
On Sunday, October 26, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Of course, these are not bugs. They are deliberate design
decisions. Anyone running in so insecure an environment to make this
so called vulnerability an issue should consider a more expensive
solution - like
On Monday, October 27, 2003, Martin Webster wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
MW Perhaps plain text editors should encrypt data? Ludicrous! And why
MW encrypt plain text messages to your hard disk when you send them
MW over the Internet without encryption? E-mail (SMTP/POP) is
MW inherently
On Monday, October 27, 2003, Martin Webster wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
MW Surely you would change your password(s) before handing your PC
MW to a stranger? And if you can't beforehand, afterwards?
Martin,
Certainly a good point.
I've started using one of those password generators on
How can I set receive and delete settings in Dispatcher so they stick
from one session to the next?
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I used to have a dial-up connection and now have DSL. I kept the
dial-up connection on my computer in case I ever need it for a backup.
Ever since I downloaded Windows XP's SP1 and the other applicable code
updates on October 15th, when I check mail for one account, that
dial-up connection starts
Steve,
On Monday, October 13, 2003, Steve Thomas wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
ST As I do this, the address book file (palm.adb) grows and grows -
ST it never gets compressed. Question #1, is there any way to
ST compress the address book file?
You could create a group within your personal
I generally backup all the files of all the folders (except trash) of
all my accounts in my userprofile documents directory. My backed up
files go off site. From time to time I also make a TB! backup file for
my slave disk when I've made a significant change in the
configuration. Am I correct in
In order to capture some messages in another e-mail client, I leave
messages which have been downloaded into TB! on the server for a
period of time. (The other MUA just leaves them on the server.) Once a
message is downloaded into either program, it used to not be
downloaded again. Now, however,
On Monday, October 06, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
TF IMHO they have either changed their mail server software to
TF something that cannot keep static UIDs or they have misconfigured
TF something.
Thomas,
Thanks for the explanation of the process and the stab at a
I am having two problems, and I cannot determine whether they are
related or where they are originating. (Background here is that I have
my messages set to remain on the server for four days or until emptied
from trash; I have SpamPal set up with the RegEx, URL Body, and
Bayesian filters; and I
On Thursday, October 02, 2003, Joseph N. wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
JN The other problem is that SpamPal sometimes just spins and spins
JN and does not ever allow downloading; the process has to be
JN terminated through Windows.
To answer part of my own query, it seems the culprit here
Is it true--can it possibly be true--that v.2 does not have
customizable toolbars?
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On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
for example, if i have 10 projects, i'll create 10 filters for
incoming mail. this is ok because i have to do that. but i need to
create another 10 outgoing filter. this looks a little unnecessary
because the
On Sunday, September 28, 2003, ken green wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
kg a bit disappointed to how willing some people are on this list to
kg provide detailed step-by-step instructions for some things, yet
kg there is very little *SPECIFIC* help in regards to
kg filtering/dealing with spam
Is it the list or me? I have received no posts from TBUDL or TBBETA,
both of which usually teem with new messages.
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On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Is it the list or me? I have received no posts from TBUDL or
TBBETA, both of which usually teem with new messages.
TF I have received several on both.
Thomas,
It was me, not the list. My gmx.net account
Thanks to all those who replied to my query about selective download
filter syntax. Ironically, I received none of the replies, because
TBUDL blocked my mail due to excessive bounces from my ISP, which in
turn was due to my mailbox constantly becoming full from Swen.A
messages.
I have now fixed
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, Roelof Otten wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
RO Thus stating that if you're using single quotation marks, the pipe
RO character will be taken literally and not as a separator between
RO alternatives.
Roelof,
(spoken softly, with slightly sunken head) Oh
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, J wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
J Or... does there exist any PIM apps that do work well with Bat?
J,
I hope someone will disagree with me on this and provide a good PIM
resource for you, but it's been my experience that TB!'s MAPI
support--which
Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work? It
seems to be constructed according to the help file, but it is
ineffective. The following single-word lines are effective, however.
MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'
MainSet: microsoft
MainSet: Internet
I don't know about others here, but for a week and a half I've been
inundated with Swen.A messages, and there's no respite in sight.
Trying to avoid changing e-mail addresses for newsgroups and mailing
lists, I've been slogging through the messages and picking out the
few good ones from the
AH What are in your opinion the best spam/PGP plugins to use
AH with TB version 2? I am using AVG7 pro for antivirus.
MDP Bayesit plug-in seems popular, although most are recommending
MDP SpamPal instead of any plug-in.
Although I'm quite happy with SpamPal and its RegEx, URL-body, and
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, Rich Gregory wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Does TB load anything to memory at startup that users can keep an
eye on should performance start to degrade?
Rich,
I think this is on a lower level than what you're really asking, but
the flying bat in the
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