Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-22 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Edvinas, I've tried 40tude dialog and it blew me away! Good bye Forté Agent. Multiple languages support is amazing in that program. Full unicode support, it picks needed charset for you by analysing what characters are in the message. Perfect! But threading, specially compared to TB,

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-21 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Greg, snipped quite a bit ... but VA you could save the results in a visual container called Bookmarks. You could save up to 20 bookmarks, and refer to them at any time without running the search again. Saving searches was just one of the possibilities of Bookmarks (or of bookmarking

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-20 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Allie, Can you think of one that does both well? :) Yes, and I am sure Greg Strong will agree with me, Virtual Access. It did (does) e-mail and news, plus Compuserve and CIX. snipped quite a bit I will only say one more thing, and for the last time, about this e-mail and news

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-20 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Miguel, On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 15:01:11 GMT +0100 (1/20/2003, 8:01 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you think of one that does both well? :) Yes, and I am sure Greg Strong will agree with me, Virtual Access. It did (does) e-mail and news,

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-20 Thread Allie Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Strong [GS] wrote:' GS VA was (is) not bloat ware. I did have a look at VA. It was similar to Forte' Agent. A nice application for News . and btw, e-mail. Though the e-mail support may be

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-20 Thread myob
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:59:51 -0600 GMT(20/01/2003, 6:59 PM + GMT), Greg Strong wrote: GS People by their own experience relate to OE. This GS argument of bloatware is nothing more than hog wash! VA GS was (is) not bloat ware. And nor is Ameol, which is the other mail/conferencing program I

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-20 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Allie, On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 14:06:30 GMT -0500 (1/20/2003, 1:06 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I did have a look at VA. When? I should explain why I decided to switch to TB from VA. First and foremost VA quit development although is going

Re[2]: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-20 Thread Anne
Sunday, January 19, 2003, 11:15:50 AM,Miguel wrote: MAU I know I could and I'm sure there are interesting discussions going MAU on, but I just can't be in every place I'd like to. :-( Yes sometimes I feel there's not enough hours in the day to do everything and read all the posts too - so I

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-19 Thread Anne
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 1:58:31 PM,Paul wrote: PC I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32 (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. PC I am using AVG, and I don't remember why I added the NOD32 plugin. Paul, this could well be your problem. It's never recommended to run two a/v's together as they can

Re[2]: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-19 Thread Anne
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:35:24 PM,Miguel wrote: MAU I'm not on TBOT. :-( Miguel, you could always join us... there are always lots of interesting discussions going on there. :-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat!

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-19 Thread Anne
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:19:53 AM,Miguel wrote: MAU Why are some of you somewhat afraid of a newsreader/mail client MAU combo? It could be (should be) quite transparent to you if you just MAU want to use it for e-mail. As I envision it, the difference would MAU (could) be that when you want

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Thomas, I'm not on TBOT. :-( Your loss! ;-) Maybe, but I am already on TBOT (Too Bany Other Lists :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Anne, I'm not afraid of it Miguel, I just don't want to use TB! in that way. But you don't have to. Just like now you don't have to create an account for my mailboxes on my ISPs. That is all the difference there would (should) be. When creating an account, having the possibility of

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Greg, It is either the fear of the unknown, or they relate to Outlook. I guess they never used VA. :-) Agree. Some people seem to think there is only Outlook and TB out there :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Greg, Why don't you join. It is free. Then you could really see the BS fly! :-) As I have said in my reply to Thomas, I'm already on TBOT (Too Bany Other Lists) and newsgroups. What is the BS? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-19 Thread Julian Beach (Lists)
On Sunday, January 19, 2003, 12:32:25 PM, Allie Martin wrote: Development of TB! as a specialist e-mail client extraordinaire, slows in an effort to improve the news-reader component/plug-in. I agree with this, although I think that some news-reader features are common to those of a specialist

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Allie, But none seem to do both well when they support both. Isn't none too Black (or white)? Wouldn't a shade of gray like only some, or few or... ? ;-) snipped Just a thought. And a very valid one. But just as valid as mine if I think that TB developers are defocusing by devoting

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-19 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Miguel, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:14:03 +0100 GMT (19/01/03, 18:14 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: I'm not on TBOT. :-( Your loss! ;-) Maybe, but I am already on TBOT (Too Bany Other Lists :) I see. It is your choice then. There are still a lot of lists out there that I would be

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-19 Thread Allie Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:' MAU Isn't none too Black (or white)? Wouldn't a shade of gray like MAU only some, or few or... ? ;-) Can you think of one that does both well? :) I think you'd have to go

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Julian Beach (Lists)
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:57:35 AM, Allie Martin wrote: So when using TB!'s backup, watch out for any errors that are reported. If errors are reported, don't rely on the backup since you could lose mail or the backup will not restore. You'll have to first fix your installation,

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Anne, If it was standalone one then I'd have no problems with it. I wouldn't want to see a newsreader/mail client combo though. Why are some of you somewhat afraid of a newsreader/mail client combo? It could be (should be) quite transparent to you if you just want to use it for e-mail.

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Mike, Well, it just so happens that MacDonalds is having financial problems and is shutting restaurants all over the world :) Which, to me, is good news. I believe that not even the US should be allowed to have massive destruction weapons. ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Anne, In my experience Tools » Backup works extremely well. Being able to back up filters would be nice though. Ever tried Second Copy 2000 from http://www.centered.com/ ? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Thorsten Bruchhuser
Hi all, Samstag, 18. Januar 2003 12:28 you wrote: i am lurking into this thread with interest. This discussion reminds me a lot to those Macintosh --- Windows and OS/2 --- Windows Discussions. In my opinion, The Bat needs to support all the features, the main competition (M$) is offering - this

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Thorsten, In my opinion, The Bat needs to support all the features, the main competition (M$) is offering - this means HTML Emails, Usenet Group Support etc. Of course it would be great, if the user could choose to work just with plain text, or with all the bells and whistles

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Allie Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:' Ritlabs seems to have an HTML editor in their list of features to definitely support at some point. For this reason, I didn't wish to comment on this thread. However, I find

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:19 AM, you wrote: MAU Hello Anne, If it was standalone one then I'd have no problems with it. I wouldn't want to see a newsreader/mail client combo though. MAU Why are some of you somewhat afraid of a newsreader/mail client MAU combo? It could be (should be)

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 8:04 AM, you wrote: AM The only HTML mail I can reliably read with comfort are from those who AM know how to compose it, i.e., HTML newsletters and such. Though I AM still have problems with some. I then open them in my browser. The AM HTML format does improve on

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Miguel, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:14:40 +0100 GMT (18/01/03, 02:14 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: But Thai is not _plain_ text, it is a _very complicated_ text ;-) LOL! But that is technically not true (from a computer POV), and on top of that it is not that complicated. Unless, of

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Allister, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:55:59 +1300 GMT (18/01/03, 03:55 +0700 GMT), Allister Jenks wrote: There should be an internet license for newbies! I advocated for this before, but it didn't work out. They should all start with a 14.4k modem (preferably 1.2k or slower) and have

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Carsten, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:23:27 +0100 GMT (18/01/03, 03:23 +0700 GMT), Carsten Thönges wrote: I don't see a contradiction. Between a HTML editor and IMAP support? No, between developing an HTML editor and developing IMAP support. And the mnemo is NAK. ;-) Both NACK and NAK is

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Allie, Why push a format that so easily and trivially takes away the readers *choice* of background colour and font sizes?? Until clients incorporate ways to control this at the readers end, I cannot support HTML use in e-mail. Do you have any choice if I send you a letter by snail

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-18 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Thomas, f'up2tbot. I'm not on TBOT. :-( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments

2003-01-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Kenneth, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:50:22 -0500 GMT (18/01/03, 13:50 +0700 GMT), Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: Here is an option. Perhaps RTL can introduced 2.0 with multiple options, This has already been confirmed. You will be able to use your editor of choice, including an HTML editor. The

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:58:31 -0500 GMT (18/01/03, 20:58 +0700 GMT), Paul Cartwright wrote: actually, I'm having a problem in TB with html attachments. when I get a message with a message.htm in the left pane, I click on it, and get a dialog box that says: File extension is htm

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:10:36 -0600 GMT (18/01/03, 02:10 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: It is technically possible to filter on that, very much like an HTML attachment is now shown as such in the attachment pane. Currently it is not possible to filter on attachment

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:35:24 +0100 GMT (18/01/03, 21:35 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: f'up2tbot. I'm not on TBOT. :-( Your loss! ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Der Angeklagte unterhielt mit mir bis zum 7. Monat einen intimen

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Anne
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:30:12 AM,Miguel wrote: MAU Ever tried Second Copy 2000 from http://www.centered.com/ ? Thanks Miguel, no I hadn't tried this. It's been suggested elsewhere that the freeware program Replicator from Karenware.com may do this as well, so I shall check them both out

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Edvinas
Hello, On Friday, January 17, 2003, 17:44, Carsten wrote: CT TB! is no newsreader. Why don't you use a tool like Dialog[1] or Gnus? CT [1] http://www.40tude.com/dialog/ I've tried 40tude dialog and it blew me away! Good bye Forté Agent. Multiple languages support is amazing in that program.

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Miguel, on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:32:32 +0100GMT (18.01.03, 15:32 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Why push a format that so easily and trivially takes away the readers *choice* of background colour and font sizes?? Until clients incorporate ways to

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 10:58 AM, you wrote: I say NO and get another error message dialog box that says: the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for viruses. TF This may be a beta problem. Please report on the beta list. no, it was a screw loose between the

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-18 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 15:35:24 GMT +0100 (1/18/2003, 8:35 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not on TBOT. :-( Why don't you join. It is free. Then you could really see the BS fly! :-) -- Best regards, Greg Strong

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 12:19:53 GMT +0100 (1/18/2003, 5:19 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: What a big deal! It is either the fear of the unknown, or they relate to Outlook. I guess they never used VA. :-) -- Best regards, Greg

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Paul, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 08:44:03 GMT -0500 (1/18/2003, 7:44 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not afraid of anything, I just like my applications to be fast and versatile. TB is, but if it starts adding TOO much... back to the BLOATware

Re[4]: FW: I love the Bat etc

2003-01-18 Thread Mike Alexander
Hello Kenneth, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:50:22 AM, you wrote: KSR Here is an option. Perhaps RTL can introduced 2.0 with multiple options, KSR and if some people are not happy with that, they can keep using 1.xx without KSR upgrading. I agree with Anne. As for this suggestion I would be

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-18 Thread Mike Alexander
Hello Miguel, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:32:32 PM, you wrote: You can't simply compare it to another language as you did in another message ... Spanish vs English. MAU It was just a way of trying to explain it to Mary. I should have MAU chosen a better example. What if TB editor only

I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Robert Silver
Hello , Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but some of them not that important do the following: (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner (2) Have the option of viewing HTML pages in its viewer. The double clicking attachments is

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Daniel Grunberg
Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:15:54 [GMT -0500] (8:15 AM EST here) Robert Silver wrote: Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but some of them not that important do the following: (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner (2) Have the option of viewing

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Spike
Hello Robert Silver, On or about Friday, January 17, 2003 at 08:15:54GMT -0500 (which was 8:15 AM in the tropics where I live) Robert Silver blithered: RS Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but RS some of them not that important do the following: RS (1) Edit or

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Markus Gloede
Hi, Robert Silver wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTML documents or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features (1) HTML was never intended for email use, it is mostly being abused in an email context (2) Reading

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Marek Mikus
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Markus Gloede wrote: (1) HTML was never intended for email use, it is mostly being abused in an email context (2) Reading/writing USENET news is something different than handling email Those are not standard email features. They have been wrapped into email

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Spike
Hello Markus Gloede, On or about Friday, January 17, 2003 at 16:26:55GMT +0100 (which was 10:26 AM in the tropics where I live) Markus Gloede shocked us all by stating: MG (1) HTML was never intended for email use, it is mostly MG being abused in an email context Amen brother!! MG (2)

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Carsten Thönges
* Robert Silver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but some of them not that important do the following: (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner Because TB! users don't want that. (2) Have the option of

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Robert, (3) Read NNTP News Groups I read and write news with TB, and I am not the only one. If you are interested, take a look at: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg36819.html -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Spike, Wanting everything rolled into one is what causes vulnerability and bloatware. Leave TB just as it is, a simple and efficient mail client, as it should be! All the things you mentioned are the very reason TB! is gaining poularity. We don't WANT a MS Outhouse clone, that's why

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Spike, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:41:01 -0500 GMT (17/01/03, 22:41 +0700 GMT), Spike wrote: (3) Read NNTP News Groups MG Many prefer using a separate client for that, yet future MG releases might also implement that. S*%T to that! I am not sure about that first word, but Stefan said *if*

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 17, 2003, Robert Silver wrote... (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner It is rumored to be coming in version 2. (2) Have the option of viewing HTML pages in its viewer. The double clicking attachments is

FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Kenneth S. Rhee
A. Urech Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:39 AM To: Spike Subject: Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features Hello Spike, Wanting everything rolled into one is what causes vulnerability

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Carsten, (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner Because TB! users don't want that. Speak for yourself and perhaps for a number of users, but not for all. I will not use HTML myself either, but I know of many TB users who would and of non-TB users who would move to

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 17, 2003, Spike wrote... RS (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner God forbid! This is why I LIKE TB! Goodbye to bloatmail!! I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and deletes any e-mail

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Spike, I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and deletes any e-mail containing HTML - PERIOD! I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in the future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend to, I would probably loose abut 1/3 of my business

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:53:44 -0600 GMT (17/01/03, 23:53 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and deletes any e-mail containing HTML - PERIOD! Unless they alter the way they do their filtering, you can't. ACK. It

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 11:38 AM, you wrote: MAU You would be surprised by the number of TB users who would prefer a MAU mailnews integrated environment. And don't be narrow minded, the fact MAU that a program has options doesn't mean you have to use them. For MAU example, I don't use the

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Carsten Thönges
* Miguel A. Urech writes: Hello Carsten, (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner Because TB! users don't want that. Speak for yourself and perhaps for a number of users, but not for all. Okay. I will not use HTML myself either, but I know of many TB users who would

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Jonathan, (3) Read NNTP News Groups That isn't a standard email feature. NNTP is news, and not email... they are two different things. Of course, but they can both be integrated in a same environment and program. And that, for many of us, is a great advantage. Before I moved to TB over

Re: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Laura
it is. I prefer Plain ole text... but.. users need something easy. I love the bat, but without HTML (at least as an option), mainstream use of the product will continue to be limited. just my .o2 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 17, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote... I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and deletes any e-mail containing HTML - PERIOD! Unless they alter the way they do their filtering, you can't. ACK. It depends how

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Carsten, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:12:56 +0100 GMT (18/01/03, 00:12 +0700 GMT), Carsten Thönges wrote: And anyway, independently of what you or I may wish, if Ritlabs is smart enough and they want to keep in business, they should include an HTML editor in a near future version. They _are_

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Paul, I don't think TB ever could be as good with newsgroups as newsbin or newsrover, at least with binary-type newsgroups. Don't underestimate Ritlabs' programers. If they could write a better e-mail client why do you assume they won't be able to write a better newsreader? -- Best

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 17, 2003, Carsten Thönges wrote... NACK. If Ritlabs is smart enough and they want to keep in business, they should provide full IMAP support for professional business users or should improve (=debug) the not-so-bad client/server

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Spike
Hello Miguel A. Urech, On or about Friday, January 17, 2003 at 17:38:38GMT +0100 (which was 11:38 AM in the tropics where I live) Miguel A. Urech opined: MAU Hello Spike, Wanting everything rolled into one is what causes vulnerability and bloatware. Leave TB just as it is, a simple and

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Laura
resistance is futile, html is here to stay. I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and deletes any e-mail containing HTML - PERIOD! MAU I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in the MAU future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend to, I would MAU

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Spike, the key word in all this is _OPTIONAL_! Of course! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Laura, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:26:38 -0800 GMT (18/01/03, 00:26 +0700 GMT), Laura wrote: and just for the record, HTML was not designed to be for web pages only. It started long ago by IBM.. I am sorry, but this is historical nonsense. I have been to the IBM museum (forgot which state in

Re[3]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Spike
Hello Laura, On or about Friday, January 17, 2003 at 09:36:47GMT -0800 (which was 12:36 PM in the tropics where I live) Laura regaled us with: L resistance is futile, html is here to stay. Not in my inbox it isn't! All my important correspondents know and accept this. I will soon be

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Spike, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:36:42 -0500 GMT (18/01/03, 00:36 +0700 GMT), Spike wrote: I'm not being narrow, the key word in all this is _OPTIONAL_! I don't use ANY anti-virus anywhere. I don't have to, as I use the best anti-virus package available, a properly informed brain!

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:31:55 -0600 GMT (18/01/03, 00:31 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: It is technically possible to filter on that, very much like an HTML attachment is now shown as such in the attachment pane. Currently it is not possible to filter on attachment

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Carsten, Speak for yourself and perhaps for a number of users, but not for all. Okay. :-)) As for the rest of your message, I fully agree with what Thomas writes in his [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] so I won't repeat. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Laura, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:36:47 -0800 GMT (18/01/03, 00:36 +0700 GMT), Laura wrote: MAU I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in the MAU future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend to, I MAU would probably loose abut 1/3 of my business e-mail. And belive

Re[2]: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons, On or about, Friday, January 17, 2003, 5:48:29 PM, we have reason to believe that Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Fact is, the computer was invented by Conrad Zuse (Google has more TF info on this German inventor), and HTML was invented by James Bernhard TF Lee at CERN in Switzerland.

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 12:32 PM, you wrote: MAU Hello Paul, I don't think TB ever could be as good with newsgroups as newsbin or newsrover, at least with binary-type newsgroups. MAU Don't underestimate Ritlabs' programers. If they could write a better MAU e-mail client why do you

Re: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread marek jedlinski
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 6:48:29 PM, Thomas Fernandez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: HTML was invented by James Bernhard Lee at CERN in Switzerland. That would be Tim Bernes Lee. HTML is the HyperText Markup Language and links documents via the hypertext technology. Some people say he

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread marek jedlinski
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 6:36:47 PM, Laura ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: there are certain advantages to it as well... including hilighting things that are important when sending out a report, and more. THINK about it. :) Attach the report as an HTML file, most recipient will find it more

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread St - Musaic.Net
NEWS in TB?!? NO THANK YOU - and do not expect me to accept a price raise of 30% because TB3 (or whenever it is coming out) now adds a newsreader! / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread marek jedlinski
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 6:32:14 PM, Miguel A. Urech ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Don't underestimate Ritlabs' programers. If they could write a better e-mail client why do you assume they won't be able to write a better newsreader? It *could* be a great newsreader, but attachment handling

Re: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Thomas, But HTML was never meant to be part of email, which at the time when HTML was created didn't even know anything but plain text. And, as you may know, the composition of Viagra was not meant for the purpose it is being widely and mainly used. They are taking advantage of a side

Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Laura
mj Attach the report as an HTML file, most recipient will find mj it more convenient that way. working in offices its not as easy.. but i don't want to get in an argument about it -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 |

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Laura, resistance is futile, html is here to stay. Just like Coca-Cola and McDonald ;-) MAU I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in the MAU future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend to, I would MAU probably loose abut 1/3 of my business e-mail.

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Laura, on Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:36:47 -0800GMT (17.01.03, 18:36 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MAU I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in the MAU future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend L to, I would MAU probably loose

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Spike, Otherwise, as I stated earlier we would just have a re-written MS Outhouse, and . . . why bother? Not really. I haven't ever used Outlook, so I'm not familiar. But I doubt it has the filtering and templates power (just to name a couple of things) TB has. -- Best regards, Miguel

Re: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Nick, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:10:51 + GMT (18/01/03, 01:10 +0700 GMT), Nick Gordon wrote: TF Fact is, the computer was invented by Conrad Zuse (Google has more TF info on this German inventor), and HTML was invented by James Bernhard TF Lee at CERN in Switzerland. Tim Berners Lee, I

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Thomas, What kind of serious report needs highlighting by colour of font? And what serious plain text e-mail needs to be viewed with an RTV (Rick Text Viewer :) which can use different fonts and colours for odd and even reply quotes, and for text, and for signature, etc. And yet, some of

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Paul, I think they will probably stay away from it though, remember it would add SEVER bloat to the program to add that much capability. I disagree. Most of the code needed to add (a very good) newsreader capability to TB is already there. Message base and folder management, filters,

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Miguel, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:38:41 +0100 GMT (18/01/03, 01:38 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: And what serious plain text e-mail needs to be viewed with an RTV (Rick Text Viewer :) Any mail written in Thai language! Thai fonts in fixed-width font are plain *ugly*. But then, that is

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello marek, It *could* be a great newsreader, It *is* already, I currently use it for 17 newsgroups. but attachment handling would have to be thoroughly reworked. In my freelance work I receive and send lots of large and very large attachments (1-20MB). TB takes *ages* to just display a

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 17, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote... It is technically possible to filter on that, very much like an HTML attachment is now shown as such in the attachment pane. Currently it is not possible to filter on attachment extensions,

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Thomas, Any mail written in Thai language! But Thai is not _plain_ text, it is a _very complicated_ text ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Jonathan, This is true I guess, but it wouldn't be a few nano-seconds for large attached emails. I get some in the range of 90-200meg sometimes, and even just selecting and opening them can take some time. I'm sure you have heard about FTP, haven't you? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A.

Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 17, 2003, Miguel A. Urech wrote... Agent's threading is also superior, IMO. In the 17 groups I monitor (with TB) I have never seen an un-properly threaded message. Having looked at the RFCs for NNTP, the threading is done in

Re: I love the Bat (...)

2003-01-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 17, 2003, Miguel A. Urech wrote... This is true I guess, but it wouldn't be a few nano-seconds for large attached emails. I get some in the range of 90-200meg sometimes, and even just selecting and opening them can take some

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