Re[3]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-15 Thread Bill Blinn - Technology Editor
At 12:10 PM on 2/12/2004, Onno Broekmans typed ... O Well, perhaps I'm just talking gibberish... Never mind then :) I've seen the space at the end of the cutline be eaten, too. It hasn't happened recently, but you're not imagining the problem. I've just never been able to reproduce it reliably.

Re[2]: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-12 Thread Allister Jenks
Hello Leif, Thursday, February 5, 2004, 7:50:46 AM, you wrote: C It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and C not the top. LG That is correct, and as Marck alluded to earlier in this thread, the LG reason we do not include the cut line in the list footer. If we did, LG

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-12 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Allister, Sunday, February 8, 2004, 6:46:36 PM, you wrote: AJ Well, we all love a bit of circular logic! If you insist on it, AJ insist on it - there's reason enough without the above. Nope, nothing circular about it. I purposely added another cutline below my signature to simulate what

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Onno Broekmans
On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote: AJ -- AJ Cheers, AJ Allister LG Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists LG of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. LG This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without LG

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 9:08:18 AM, you wrote: OB Well, there *was* a cut mark, was there? That reminds me of the OB little problem I have with The Bat!, so I'm posting this reply OB here. Not sure about it, just wondering if it's me or TB. OB Regards, Please note, the below

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 9:08:18 AM, you wrote: OB When entering a template's contents, TB seems to 'eat' the OB trailing space after the two dashes. The same seems to happen in OB the message editor. This seems to lead to bugs, like TB not OB properly removing signatures etc.

Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Onno Broekmans
On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote: OB When entering a template's contents, TB seems to 'eat' the OB trailing space after the two dashes. The same seems to happen in OB the message editor. This seems to lead to bugs, like TB not OB properly removing signatures etc. LG Hmmm. I

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 10:10:02 AM, you wrote: OB Well, perhaps I'm just talking gibberish... Never mind then :) OB Regards, OB -- OB Onno Broekmans OB |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OB |Website:http://www.onnodb.com OB Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1

Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Onno Broekmans
On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote: LG Try doing it manually. Reply to this, delete your sig, and type: LG -- LG From Onno LG It should work fine provided you do a -- enter. Hi Leif, Well, hereby a message with a cutmark-test to see if it works when doing it manually from

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 11:19:37 AM, you wrote: OB Well, hereby a message with a cutmark-test to see if it works when OB doing it manually from the message editor. If it does, then OB perhaps I should try to fix my template... Btw, any idea if OB setting a template for a parent

Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Onno Broekmans
On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote: LG What I did was create a text file that is actually my sig, then LG used the %PUT macro. i.e. LG %PUT=L:\Program Files\The Bat!\templates\TBsig.txt Hi Leif, Now *that*'s a terrific idea! Will do that shortly... It does not only properly

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-12 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 1:37:52 PM, you wrote: OB Now *that*'s a terrific idea! Will do that shortly... It does not OB only properly solve the cut mark problem, but also makes life a OB bit easier ;-) Thanks a lot! Great! Looking forward to seeing proper cutlines from you soon!

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-05 Thread Matt Thoene
On Wednesday, February 4, 2004 @ 11:23:19 AM [-0700], Allie Martin wrote: I know that threading by references rocks and agree with the convenience but some may choose not to do so for whatever reason they may have. I'll hop in here...I do TbR (Thread by Reference) with most of my folders but

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-04 Thread Andre Wichartz
Hello Chris, On 4 Feb 2004 at 00:11:48 -0500 GMT [06:11 CET] you wrote: On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote: C Somewhat random observation: C Since mailing lists are not one-to-one, you should consider using the C original sender's name and not the pronoun you. This can be C

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-04 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Chris, On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:40:39 -0500 GMT (04/02/2004, 10:40 +0700 GMT), Chris wrote: It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and not the top. Yes, the last cutline will be used. I don't think that is a problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-04 Thread Allie Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Fernandez wrote: It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and not the top. Yes, the last cutline will be used. I don't think that is a problem. The main benefit occurs when replying to text in a list digest. Each message

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Andre, Why? If the name is mentioned in the greeting there's no need to mention it again. It's already clear whose quotation that is. Agree. And also there is threading :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF:

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-04 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Chris, Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 8:42:25 PM, you wrote: C What's up with the trouts? Are they in any way related to the C trouts that people get slapped with on IRC? The trouts predated even IRC. I used them when I ran a BBS in the mid 90s, and even then I picked up the trout habit from

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-04 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Chris, Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 8:40:39 PM, you wrote: C It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and C not the top. That is correct, and as Marck alluded to earlier in this thread, the reason we do not include the cut line in the list footer. If we did, then the

Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Chris, On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 11:09:09 PM, Mary R Bull wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Like moderators say when they act as such, please don't feel singled out Cris by what I am going to comment or ask you. Most things apply to many

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Allie Martin
Mau, [M] wrote: M Like moderators say when they act as such, please don't feel singled M out Cris by what I am going to comment or ask you. Most things apply M to many others on this and other TB lists. Isn't it a nice diplomatic start? :) M - Who cares about the date and time Mary Bull wrote

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Allie, Mau, [M] wrote: M Like moderators say when they act as such, please don't feel singled M out Cris by what I am going to comment or ask you. Most things apply M to many others on this and other TB lists. Isn't it a nice diplomatic start? :) M - Who cares about the date and

Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Allie Martin
Mau, [M] wrote: M Please note that if I quote you full message without any trimming is M because some people may have deleted your message and not have it in M their message base, or may not be using a threaded view or may be M using the ticker virtual folder. Your response surprises me. On the

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Allie, Your response surprises me. Why? You should know me by now. On the one hand we're discussing an introduction that is 2 or three lines long and questioning its redundancy. Redundant and unnecessary information is redundant and unnecessary regardless of how long it is. And now

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Allie, Now, can we please stop this nitpicking about how members choose to word introductions to their replies. Sorry Allie, I agreed on stopping this but I forgot something about nitpicking. This is from your MOD template about cut mark and used in this same thread by Marck: ,- [

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 4:06 PM, you wrote: AM Now, can we please stop this nitpicking about how members choose to word AM introductions to their replies. M Sorry Allie, I agreed on stopping this but I forgot something about M nitpicking. M This is from your MOD template

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi MAU, on Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:06:38 +0100GMT, you wrote: M ,- [ ] M | This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without M | the signature and list footers since everything below and including M | the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. M `- M I would understand

Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Bill Blinn - Technology Editor
At 5:26 PM on 2/4/2004, Peter Meyns typed ... P Three lines isn't much, right. But what should be wrong about P courtesy? :-) Seems like an excellent idea to me. Now will someone please say Nazi so this topic can officially end! g -- Bill Blinn - Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, Oh, come on, Miguel! Sit down with me and have a cup of coffee. Tomorrow morning. If I have some coffee now I won't sleep. The cut-mark is one of the distinctive and wonderful features of this list, and I am really glad the moderators enforce it. (Even though mine gets messed

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Peter, It makes a difference when viewing it in RTV. It looks much nicer and is easier to ignore when everything below the cut mark appears smaller and in light grey as it does here... :o) I know, and I have said I have nothing against the cut mark. The RTV, the reader for those who

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 4:41 PM, you wrote MRB Oh, come on, Miguel! Sit down with me and have a cup of coffee. M Tomorrow morning. If I have some coffee now I won't sleep. It's a date. :) MRB The cut-mark is one of the distinctive and wonderful features of this MRB list,

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi MAU, on Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:46:33 +0100GMT, you wrote: Three lines isn't much, right. But what should be wrong about courtesy? :-) M Don't misunderstand me. Of course there is nothing wrong with courtesy. M But why ask for courtesy at the end of the message (where no one looks M anyway) and

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, No, but I'm way too old for you. :) Unless you believe in December-May arrangements. :) Way to old for me? What do you know? I'm not a kid any more. Actually, I haven't been a kid for many many years. And when I say many many I mean many many. :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 5:22 PM, you wrote: MRB No, but I'm way too old for you. :) Unless you believe in December-May MRB arrangements. :) M Way to old for me? What do you know? I'm not a kid any more. Actually, I M haven't been a kid for many many years. And when I say

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, So, send me a Reply template that will strip out all that beginning-stuff which posters so often put in before getting to the point, and I'll send you a valentine, and we'll see how it goes! :) Just include this macro at the beginning of your template:

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 5:39 PM, you wrote: MRB So, send me a Reply template that will strip out all that MRB beginning-stuff which posters so often put in before getting to the MRB point, and I'll send you a valentine, and we'll see how it goes! :) M Just include this macro

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, Though his age he won't tell! I won't tell but I can write it :) I'll be 61 in two months from today. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using

Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-04 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 6:13 PM, you wrote: MRB Though his age he won't tell! Indispensable Miguel!! M I won't tell but I can write it :) I'll be 61 in two months from M today. Then I shall also write a birthday rhyme for you! I'll be 77 in about 3 months. And I have one

mod: Off-topic (Was: Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support))

2004-02-04 Thread Allie Martin
Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: MB I'll be 77 in about 3 months. And I have one grandchild, who'll be 21 MB in two days and was born in a February snowstorm. MB BTW, that template only seems to work on messages from you. g :) Ok. It's time guys. :)) moderator I deleted an account and deleted my

Re: mod: Off-topic (Was: Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support))

2004-02-04 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 6:37 PM, you wrote: AM Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: snip AM Ok. It's time guys. :)) AM moderator AM I deleted an account and deleted my moderatorial templates. ooops!!! AM Anyway, not to ever single you out Mary. ;) AM This thread has gone on long enough and

cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread tb
I had a malformed cut line pointed out to me and began to wonder... tko -- tko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Malformed cut-line.. g I type it manually because I dislike automated signatures. TB removes excess whitespace from the ends of lines, so if I do not go back and add a space there immediately

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Andrew Perevodchik
Hello! tko TB removes excess whitespace from the ends of lines, so if I do tko not go back and add a space there immediately before sending, tko this happens. Yep. You can call quick template, when writing a message, with %CutHere macro in it (found in MyMacros at http://en.barin.com.ua). Just

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Chris
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 3:30:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Since this seems to be of concern to many here and not other lists, can someone tell me if this (signature deliminator) is defined by some RFC? It is defined

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Andrew, @3-Feb-2004, 22:40 +0200 (03-Feb 20:40 UK time) Andrew Perevodchik [AP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: tko can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also tko what other e-mail clients take this convention into account? AP Afaik no. It's just Bat's behaviour.

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Carsten Thönges
* Andrew Perevodchik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tko can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also what tko other e-mail clients take this convention into account? Afaik no. It's just Bat's behaviour. No, all good mail clients handle signature delimiters (Gnus, mutt etc.).

Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)

2004-02-03 Thread tb
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 3:38:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Malformed cut-line.. g T I type it manually because I dislike automated signatures. Not relevant, because it's the rules here that you have one. Search the list archive if you want to know why we don't put the cut mark in

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread tb
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 2:30:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a malformed cut line pointed out to me and began to wonder... tko -- tko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Malformed cut-line.. g I type it manually because I dislike automated signatures. TB removes excess whitespace from the ends

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello tb, Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 4:25:40 PM, you wrote: tko Umm, am I being told I need to put a cut-line on these mails tko without signatures? It's been vehemently regurgitated so often I tko thought I had to put in a cut-line and I don't even use tko signatures. Yes... If you don't put in

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread tb
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 6:05:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tko Umm, am I being told I need to put a cut-line on these mails tko without signatures? It's been vehemently regurgitated so often I tko thought I had to put in a cut-line and I don't even use tko signatures. Yes... If you

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Leif Gregory
Hi tb, On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, at 19:12:24 [GMT -0600] (which was 6:12 PM where I live) you wrote: tko Type my first name after the cutline? What does that mean? Meaning you can type the dashdashspaceenter then type your name. tko When I do I get messages about a malformed cut-line. If you do

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Leif Gregory
Hi Leif, On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, at 20:15:22 [GMT -0700] (which was 8:15 PM where I live) you wrote: LG Ok, so the below is a manually typed cutline, my first name, and LG some junk to show it does work and does not get malformed. The LG below is not a template of any sort. grinning Well, good it

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello Leif! On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:15 PM, you wrote: LG Now watch it not work when I actually send this to the list. grin SCNR :) I accomplished that, of course, with a manual highlight-and-copy. Your cut-mark worked perfectly, Leif. And your patience here in explaining reminds me

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Chris
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 8:12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Type my first name after the cutline? What does that mean? Often e-mail signatures, like the signatures on paper letters, contain some information about

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Chris
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 10:24:15 PM, Leif Gregory wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Cya Or whatever to the end of your template shouldn't be a big deal. -- Cheers, Leif Gregory It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Chris
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 10:29:48 PM, Mary R Bull wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Shutting up now, before I get a trout shower. :) What's up with the trouts? Are they in any way related to the trouts that people get slapped with on IRC? /slap

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread tb
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 7:12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ctrl-enter is the keyboard shortcut to send a mail message. I do this because I've found just doing dashdashspaceenter following by some text on the final line will result in an apparently malformed cut-line. This made sense

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello Chris! On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:42 PM, you wrote: MRB Shutting up now, before I get a trout shower. :) C What's up with the trouts? Are they in any way related to the trouts C that people get slapped with on IRC? C /slap Mary R Bull C :-) So, no idea? running for safety to tbot!

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread tb
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 9:55:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 7:12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ctrl-enter is the keyboard shortcut to send a mail message. I do this because I've found just doing dashdashspaceenter following by some text on the final

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Mary R Bull
Hello tb! On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote: tko This differentiation doesn't make me a newbie who needs screenshots. :p I was referring to myself as a Batty Newbie, who a couple of years ago could have used a screenshot. Not to you. However, aren't you new to this list? If so,

Re: cut-line RFC and client support

2004-02-03 Thread Chris
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 11:09:09 PM, Mary R Bull wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote: Somewhat random observation: Since mailing lists are not one-to-one, you should consider using the original