Re: SMTP authentication problem
Hi Omar, On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:46:11 -0300 Omar Colocci wrote: [webhosts SMTP-AUTH ain't working] but the webhost returns the message child crashed (#4.3.0). When I disable the authentication it returns Sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1). Well ... that sounds like a qmail error message to me and makes me think: your webhoster uses and runs an imperfectly patched and/or set up qmail installation. The Sorry, that domain ... message is normal: you don't have relaying privileges w/o authentication. You could try if 'POP-before-SMTP' is set up (chances are your webhoster uses vpopmail on top of qmail and if not disabled roaming users access by POP-b4-SMTP is active). Additionally you can write a message to webhosters support about the 'child crashed' error, for whatever reason the password checker don't like either your authentication data (it might run with wrong permissions) or it get's these data feeded in the wrong format. You can give them a hint about how to figure out the source of your problem: they should attach a 'strace' (if running Linux) or 'truss' (if running *BSD) to the password checker to figure out what makes the child crash. A medium to good administrator should have figured out the reason within a short amount of time then and be able to take necessary actions for correcting the misbehavior. -- Ciao, Pit Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is this possible?
ON Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 5:23:18 PM, you wrote: M It could be. It could also be that you are running a beta. Hi MAU, This is a known bug. It also applies to flags. It looks like the data from the msg is stored in a buffer and then compared to the filter condition. If there is an action, like set a flag/colour group. This isn´t done after al filtering on this msg has been done. It is logged as an official bug. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Break - 1.The shifting or changing of the direction of a putt caused by the slope or slant of a green. 2. The splitting or shattering of the shaft of a putter caused by the rage or wrath of a player who misread the break. Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is this possible?
Hello Gerard, Hi MAU, This is a known bug. It also applies to flags. Thanks for the info. I hope Stuart sees your message. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is this possible?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 G It is logged as an official bug. That's a shame. Let's hope it gets fixed soon. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... The gene pool could use a little chlorine. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPxUdwdttnLhkydF1EQIrEACeJx0ymw1afhpbs9gYb6lly/No2QAAoJDv 79a4bR9IonvJbX0ywr5XeaSG =j227 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Suggestion
High All, :) I don't know if this is the best place to suggest smth., but here it goes: I'm on dial up, with multiple ISPs. Each ISP allows SMTP access but in a different way: some allows external SMTP server access while some allows only the use of their SMTP server. Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of SMTP servers for each account? If one fails, the program will automatically use the next and I won't have to change my SMTP settings each time I use a different dial-up ISP. -- B4N, Cip If you are going through hell, keep going. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ciprian, @16-Jul-2003, 14:00 +0300 (12:00 UK time) Ciprian Trofin [CT] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: CT Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of CT SMTP servers for each account? If one fails, the program will CT automatically use the next and I won't have to change my SMTP CT settings each time I use a different dial-up ISP. X-Ray will do that for you - see: http://www.xrayapp.com - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxUxKTnkJKuSnc2gEQKengCg0dNYvNZC9eV8DclMVfj8IULxonIAnRTy YDW1uQapDY7Dq2iwUxtGunW6 =PtwB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion
Hello Ciprian Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 12:00:44 PM, in which you wrote: CT Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of SMTP CT servers for each account? http://www.mailutilities.com/ars/ will take you to a product that might help. -- Regards William http://www.residues.info Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciprian Trofin, [CT] wrote: CT Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of SMTP CT servers for each account? If one fails, the program will CT automatically use the next and I won't have to change my SMTP CT settings each time I use a different dial-up ISP. I have a feeling that such functionality will be a long time if ever in coming. XRay does offer a solution that may help you. You can get it here: http://www.xrayapp.com/ The online help isn't as detailed as the readme file that comes with the install. Here's an excerpt from the readme: ,- [ ] | X-Ray could automatically select SMTP-server from a specified list | accordingly to current IP address. It is necessary to create a record | for every IP-range with values: | | * Server: SMTP server, which should be used for given provider; | * Network Subnet mask: definition of IP-range of the given provider. `- Getting the IP range isn't so bad. You can take your current IP and do a lookup on it. Usually the port range is given as part of the information. So when you connect to a particular ISP, XRay will know which one based on your current IP and automatically use the appropriate SMTP server. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPxU2l1fJ62ArBxfiEQJzugCgl8TZUQA81Nlpf465M4jz2ORUxm8AoLjX HHT6NgrdqH9QrcAJdK8FOYzi =Ct48 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configure TB with PopFile on IMAP email accounts?
Hello Greg Clive, 16-Jul-2003 08:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GS Can you only use PopFile on POP email accounts? Um, yes. That's why it's called POPfile :). I wish it would support IMAP, though. Would be nice. I don't want to fire up the same discussion again ...yet the latest beta of SpamPal has IMAP4 support, thought its worth mentioning in the daily fight against spam. Forgive me. :-) http://www.spampal.org/beta.html -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tooltips
Hello TBUDL, On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 00:29:37 +0700 GMT (09/07/03, 00:29 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: Possibly. But I guess nobody has an idea why the tooltips don't appear at all in that new user's TB. I was hoping there is either a registry hack or it has something to do with XP. :-( We just received a feedback: she is with Germany's biggest ISP T-Online and had activated their myticker news ticker. She turned it off, and the tooltips in TB reappeared. Weird enough. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Planet: A body of Earth surrounded by sky. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:07:53 PM, WL wrote: W Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:28:47 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote: DK I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to DK get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material DK in it. W ...but that defeats the purpose of training material. Within W popfile, one can create magnets to force a classification, W or just let popfile work its mathemagic and train the email W detection. I use magnets lightly, but maintaining magnets is a hassle when I've already got those folks in my AB. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mozilla and The Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 7:16:33 AM, you wrote: Thanks for the email Marek. I don't have this file! I'm using Mozilla 1.3.1, and have checked all the directories I can see... Thanks Joseph Of course, you don't have. Just made this file in: C:\Documents and Settings\[Your name]\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\.slt and put that line in it. Regards, Niksa Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 - -- Best regards, ChaKy | ICQ:96731865 http://www.apartments-cakelic.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPxVsNrDri1HNC0yJEQJAawCeLgXbsC6YkNx1U3W+5zNcpAO/tAkAn2G9 IX25uEael/L+cdvRnRNSfvMX =c/V5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:13:58 PM, MAU wrote: M Loose messages No matter what method, program, filter, M whatever, you use to detect spam you should not delete or M trash spam (initially flagged as spam) messages until you M somehow review them. There are always false positives and M false negatives. Maybe very few, but there are. Agreed. However, since July 10, 2003 I've received 473 e-mails classified as spam. I do review them before deleting them, but it's easy to lose one in the manual review effort. When you have an e-mail like mine that has been around on Usenet the Internet since 1994 every spam list in the world has me on their list. So, reeling this back around to TB!, that is my reason for putting the Known filter first. M Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some M spam messages leaking through as you say in your original M post. I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :) There are spams that are being correctly identified as spam by POPFile, but TB!'s Known filter is putting them in my Known folder. If I knew what the logic/algorithm for the Known filter, I'd be better able to debug the issue. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 5:54:23 PM, Allie wrote: A This thread has now been declared DEAD . as in DEAD A HORSE!! I wasn't trying to get a POPFile/SpamPal battle going. What I'm trying to do is learn what the logic/algorithm is that TB! uses for the Known filter. If that could be answered, I'd appreciate it. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, M Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some M spam messages leaking through as you say in your original M post. I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :) I'm telling you but you don't belive me. The reason for the leaks is you put your Known filter first :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm telling you but you don't belive me. The reason for the leaks is you put your Known filter first :-) What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I never make mistakes. I thought I did once, but I was wrong. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Stupid Nebie Question
Hello Alexander, Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 11:53:18 AM, you wrote: Recently I had found a web bbs for the bat questions can any one give me the url? Second how do I get into the Bat beta program? -- Best regards, Dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid Nebie Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Danger, @16-Jul-2003, 13:43 -0400 (18:43 UK time) Danger [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander: D Recently I had found a web bbs for the bat questions can any one D give me the url? http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com/ D Second how do I get into the Bat beta program? You can subscribe to the discussion list here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beta versions are regularly announced there. Review the archive for details (and download locations) of the current beta version on http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com. Sniff around on the Beta FTP site for the latest version here: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxWbWznkJKuSnc2gEQLWJQCeMEocIGYNq5HQSGNdOmQDmHmVSmcAnjW2 Uzntkrot7pIDD0j8a32bm/c8 =Mc26 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 11:53:18 AM, Alexander wrote: A 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message A DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? A You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. Thank you! I'm glad someone could translate my request into something simply stated. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Alexander, What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. Ah, that? I didn't know he was asking that ;-) It's the Sender's address. At least that is what the Known filter says if you open Sorting Office and select it: ,- [ ] | The Known filter allows you to separate incoming mail by presence of the | sender's address in your address book. `- And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Alexander, 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd prefer you don't quote my e-mail address in the body. Thanks, -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cost Effective TB Backup!
On Tue 15-Jul-03 10:35pm -0400, Greg Strong wrote: What is the size of the source files you are backing up, and how long is it taking? The used space is about 75 meg. Compressed is about 15 meg. There are 827 files. On my 800 mhz P-III it updates in about 80 seconds. The builtin TB backup takes about 30 seconds to manually prepare and about 16 seconds to execute. So the total time is about 92 seconds (beta and gild). For relative speed testing, I did a new compression on my gild mail store (a little over 31 meg). Below are the commands used, the elapsed time in seconds and the compressed size (mb): 7zn a -r \t1 * 74.85 4.90 7zn a -r -tzip \t2 * 37.36 6.73 zip -r \t3 * 10.64 6.85 zip -r1 \t3 * 5.54 8.20 On the full TB backup (not update), 7zn took 171.74 seconds (14.66 meg). Zip took 27.90 seconds (19.11 meg) and Zip with -1 (fast) took 14.09 seconds (22.04 meg) As you can see, 7z doesn't come close to zip in speed. On my relatively slow machine (with nearly 100 gig free disk space), I'm considering switching back to zip with the -1 option for TB backups. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 3:56pm -0400, MAU wrote: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics returned? I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bill, @16-Jul-2003, 16:31 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) BM Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics BM returned? BM I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: BM but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on TBBETA? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxW3pTnkJKuSnc2gEQIHRQCgvqCz3zu80e5GuDqmj0k4cIhy+WwAnjZG 6XtQMmVGnV5hWQEMyHnbXKWc =rVyA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 4:37pm -0400, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: @16-Jul-2003, 16:31 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) BM Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics BM returned? BM I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: BM but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on TBBETA? I'v mentioned this there mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Nobody added new info. But MAU implied (with his smiley) this was straight forward. Perhaps he'll enlighten us. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Bill, Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics returned? Not rally, I didn't read them all. I didn't even count them like you did. I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? I think you are correct. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cost Effective TB Backup!
Hello Bill, Wednesday, July 16, 2003, Bill McCarthy wrote: As you can see, 7z doesn't come close to zip in speed. On my relatively slow machine (with nearly 100 gig free disk space), I'm considering switching back to zip with the -1 option for TB backups. Well I'll have to back and look at your settings to see if I can set something up to track. It would be interesting. Most of my volume of storage comes from only a few lists. TB lists are one group. I keep all of them for a resource because I occasionally go back to look for answers. This is the main reason why I think the ability to save a search would be beneficial. IIRC it saves the last 9, but if your looking a lot 9 doesn't get you to far. Others on the list use another app that IIRC is Mail Bag. Maybe it is a matter of principle but my old email program VA could save searches, and I like to stay in the same application. Anyhow on this P4 2.4 Ghz 500MB Ram PC I ran a manual test on time the other day with not much change in the mail base. It took a little over 20 seconds to 500 + MB. When I do the 500 + MB from scratch it is about 10 minutes using 7z format. Thanks for the info. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote: B I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and B Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I B missed any? I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and none have it in the Return-Path. So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Different behaviour between one installation and the other whenmaking APOP
Hello, I encounter a strange behaviour. I have installed The Bat on two machines. On one machine it is possible to fetch mails per APOP. On the other machine not anymore. Some days ago I could, but suddenly it didn't work. So I created a new account on another machine - and there it works. The configuration (at least in the dialog boxes) are the same. What could be the reason that I get back the error message Auth Error? Even a new installation on that machine didn't help. Are there registry entries I can check and change? Simple POP works perfectly on both machines. The passwords really are set correctly. I am really without any idea anymore. Thanks for your help. -- Best regards, Martin Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Different behaviour between one installation and the other whenmaking APOP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Martin, @17-Jul-2003, 00:04 +0200 (23:04 UK time) Martin Schneider [MS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MS What could be the reason that I get back the error message Auth MS Error? Even a new installation on that machine didn't help. Firewall on the affected machine perhaps? ZA, for example, has been known to disrupt TB's communications on occasion. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxXR+DnkJKuSnc2gEQIoQACfdrhjYiMmmclXU/rrh95/OoogqmYAnig2 ID5aWXpmB+uQyLJyRI6dtIbd =su6q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:22:53 -0400 GMT (17/07/03, 04:22 +0700 GMT), Dave Kennedy wrote: So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB: What is the reason? - If you keep BBC'ing yourself, you type your own address into the BBC field once, and the history function will always autocomplete (faster than doing an AB search). Other reasons I cannot fathom. Thanks for helping my limited phantasy to reach new heights. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 7:01:34 PM, Thomas wrote: T I have a question to those who have their own address in their T AB: What is the reason? My reasons are pretty simple. I have many mail groups - tennis team, swim team board, basketball board, school parents, etc. (Hmmm. There's a theme there...) Reason 1: If I send a mail to one of these groups - say the basketball executive board, I want to get it as well since I save related messages in a separate folder. Reason 2: The e-mail addresses in these groups are shared to others. I don't want to have to remember to add myself to the list when I send it out to the others that want the e-mails in that group. I use the member of groups feature in the AB heavily. Right now, I have about 15 groups and include myself as a member of about 10 of them. Most of the ones that I don't are pretty much dead groups that I don't use any more and leave out there for posterity. (Computers are really awful for packrats!) Reason 3: Including myself in the group also makes it easy to confirm that I've included everyone. I.e. 8 kids on the basketball team, including my son, there should be 8 e-mail addresses in the list. If I've only got 7, I've forgotten a family. Again, YMMV. This has worked well for me for years. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 5:22pm -0400, Dave Kennedy wrote: Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote: B I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and B Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I B missed any? I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and none have it in the Return-Path. That's right, back in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote to you: , | It's true that spammers sometimes put your email address in one | of the sender fields, such as Return-Path. ` So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. As I said in that same email: ,--- | Create your own Known filter with the rule of your address NOT | being the Sender and using the Advanced tab to specify the AB. `--- The above, of course, assumes it's placed near the bottom of your filters and it moves mail to a known type folder. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keeping messages on the server (and seeing them)?
Good evening all, I'm reading mail off an IMAP server from two different computers. Unfortunately, The Bat! doesn't seem to be picking up messages sitting in the Inbox which have already been marked read with my other mail client. How do I tell The Bat! to download the entire contents of the IMAP server, regardless of the messages status? thanks, Cael Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Synchronizing sent-mail folder
Whoops, one more question. How can one synchronize a sent-mail folder using The Bat!? This is possible using Pegasus. Thanks again, Cael Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keeping messages on the server (and seeing them)?
Hi y7anect001: ysc How do I tell The Bat! to download the entire contents of the ysc IMAP server, regardless of the messages status? Use the Mail Dispatcher to view all messages on the server. There, you can decide which messages to download, save, delete, or mark as read. I do this from time to time, for the same reasons you stated. - Ricardo Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keeping messages on the server (and seeing them)?
Use the Mail Dispatcher to view all messages on the server. There, you can decide which messages to download, save, delete, or mark as read. I do this from time to time, for the same reasons you stated. Thanks Ricardo, this was exactly what I was looking for. Is there any way to convince The Bat! to perform this way by default? To me, it doesn't really make sense to maintain a group of invisible messages in the inbox on the server -- if one doesn't want them sitting in their inbox, the messages should be moved to a local folder or deleted, no? Thanks again, Cael Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keeping messages on the server (and seeing them)?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Y7anect001, @16-Jul-2003, 22:30 -0400 (03:30 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Use the Mail Dispatcher to view all messages on the server. There, you can decide which messages to download, save, delete, or mark as read. I do this from time to time, for the same reasons you stated. Thanks Ricardo, this was exactly what I was looking for. Is there any way to convince The Bat! to perform this way by default? Yes. Account Properties .. Mail management .. Message dispatcher options. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxYPdDnkJKuSnc2gEQLYyACgk0xbtXSAal4z3K6It1Xdbbvhy+cAoNLn CWcvO+IMdkBcP3q0b1M0BGAI =Fs+W -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
problem sharing messages with multiple bat installations
I have two installations of theBat using the same account on an IMAP server. I leave certain messages on the server from work so that I can download them later from home. Some of the messages I access from location A do not download when I check mail later at location B. The messages exist on the server (i.e,. I can get at them using the Mail Dispatcher), but I think the appropriate behavior would be: 1) When checked from A, download the message and mark it as read on the server. 2) When checked from location B, download it from the server and mark it as read locally (since it was already downloaded from location A). It seems to be doing 1, but not 2. (Oddly, it seems to do 2 *sometimes*, but I need to confirm this.) Shouldn't the mail be downloaded from location B even after it has been accessed from location A as long as it is still on the server? Is this an issue, or do I misunderstand the correct behavior under these circumstances? Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cost Effective TB Backup!
On Wed 16-Jul-03 5:15pm -0400, Greg Strong wrote: Well I'll have to back and look at your settings to see if I can set something up to track. It would be interesting. For a reference here's the command to compress my main mail store with 7z and zip (redirection for 4nt): 7zn u -ms=off -up0q0 -r %bu\Gild * nul 2 %bu\out zip -urq1 %bu\Gild * %bu\out Anyhow on this P4 2.4 Ghz 500MB Ram PC I ran a manual test on time the other day with not much change in the mail base. It took a little over 20 seconds to 500 + MB. When I do the 500 + MB from scratch it is about 10 minutes using 7z format. I see you said not much change, but 20 seconds vs 10 minutes is only about 3% the time for an update. Since my biggest folder files change with only a little new mail, I'm running about 30-40% of the time for a from scratch compression using 7z. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 7:01pm -0400, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB: What is the reason? - If you keep BBC'ing yourself, you type your own address into the BBC field once, and the history function will always autocomplete (faster than doing an AB search). Other reasons I cannot fathom. For both BCCing and test mails to myself. I don't like auto complete turned on. It's much easier to simply type 'me'. I also don't agree that auto completion is faster that AB search. The former will find every address - even those only used once. AB search only finds those in the AB. So typing johnctrl= will usually get the right address faster than type john and waiting for completion, then searching through all the matches. I know auto complete can be restricted, but got the impression that you don't restrict it. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
