Re[2]: Bayesit Plugin

[Code 2]

JM>>  Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well? It will pick up
JM>>  an occasional spam but misses most. It will still fall for the
JM>>  same messages even after I mark them as spam. 


M3> Spammers have gotten "hip" to how Bayesian filtering works and have
M3> devised ways to get around it by filling the message with random words
M3> and the like, so that no two messages are the same ... just as they
M3> were able to get around "name" filtering by creating fictitious
M3> addresses that were always different.

M3> It is a constant struggle.  We find a new "tool", then "they" find a
M3> way around it 

M3> Bayesian filtering still works, just not as effectively against the
M3> rabbid spammer who only seems to care about getting a nonsense message
M3> into your inbox ... as opposed to the commercial spammer who does want
M3> you to buy something (what are they thinking?  )


That's a factor, but I found BayesIt just didn't work for me.  It
seems to work for some here, though.

K9 is a Bayesian filter, too, and it's operating at 98.6% accuracy for
me.  BayesIt was less than 1% accurate after training for more than a
month with hundreds of good and spam messages.

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Re: -=[ UTF-8 ]=-

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Milan,

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:14:45 +0100GMT (20-11-2004, 2:14 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

MG> I pretty much manage to do everything related to Bat! on my own, but one 
thing I
MG> can't find info on is UTF-8 support.

That's because it's still a promise, not a feature.

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Re: -=[ Rogues in SecureBat Lite 2.12 ? ]=-

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Milan,

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:17:39 +0100GMT (20-11-2004, 2:17 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

MG> Is it possible to see rougeemoticons in this version of Bat?

It was possible with TB 2.12 (IIRC), so I guess it would be possible
with securebat too.

MG> And if anyone knows if this version will be developed in future

No, SecureBat won't be developed any more.

MG> & is Bat 3.xx better than SecureBat?

Dunno, in the way that it's being supported: Yes.
In the way that it offers more possibilities: Not yet.

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Windows: written entirely by and for blondes

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Re: Strange folder in sorting office/filters

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo WilWilWil,

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:57:36 +0100GMT (18-11-2004, 11:57 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

W> Since this morning, when I go to filters of my accounts, in
W> "Incoming rules", I can see my 10 rules like yesterday, but more,
W> there is now a sub-folder created named "Moving in Hooks" !

W> I never saw that before, and I'm sure I've not created this
W> folder. I'm sure because TB authorize me to create rules in
W> "Incoming mail" section but not folders...

I don't know how you got this.
I can't reproduce it, for anybody interested, here's a screenshot of
Wil's problem:

http://www.krakeel.cistron.nl/TB3_NFS.JPG

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Groetjes, Roelof

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-=[ UTF-8 ]=-

[Milan Gurjanov]

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Hello Everyone ! Saturday, November 20, 2004.   02:06:21

I'm pretty much new to this mailing list, and I don't know if you have already
discussed this topic, but...

I pretty much manage to do everything related to Bat! on my own, but one thing I
can't find info on is UTF-8 support. I have many friends using Linux, and they
write by default to UTF-8 encoding. Problem is that they use Cyrillic code set,
and this kind of conversion in Bat just won't work. I can read every mail
properly, but when trying to reply, I end up with bunch of  signs.

Is there a way to outflank this or I'm left to the mercy of Ritlabs & their wish
list, where UTF-8 full support is already for about 2 years as I'm aware of.

10x very much.

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Currently Listening:   Paul Oakenfold - Ibiza CD2 (Has Lyrics) -->Foobar 
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Days to New Year   :   42
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-=[ Rogues in SecureBat Lite 2.12 ? ]=-

[Milan Gurjanov]

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Hello, Everyone! Saturday, November 20, 2004.   02:15:32

Is it possible to see rougeemoticons in this version of Bat? And if anyone knows
if this version will be developed in future & is Bat 3.xx better than SecureBat?

10x.

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2000<--
<-->Foobar 2000<-->:   PLAYING
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Days to My Birthday:   84
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Re: question from a newbie

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Henry,

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:32:53 -0500GMT (20-11-2004, 1:32 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

HL> I would like for all messages that come from me, from any account, to
HL> any person, whether it is a new message, a reply, a forward, or a
HL> redirect, to have a "to" line that doesn't contain the name...only the
HL> email address.

Can't be done, not with a single setting. What helps is:
  account -> properties -> templates -> reply -> check "Do not use
  from name for reply-to address"
That has to be set for every account, but that won't help you when you
pick an address from your address book that has the name added.
A macro in a template won't help you either, since you'd need the
macro to be rather complex to skip names for messages with multiple
recipients. Apart from that, templates need to be set for every
account and you'd need to adapt your existing folder and address book
templates.

When you're only problem is with mailing lists, than you'd be done
with the account setting(s).

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Re: question from a newbie

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Henry,

@19-Nov-2004, 19:32 -0500 (20-Nov 00:32 UK time) Henry Lefkowitz [HL]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

... 

HL> I would like for all messages that come from me,
... 
HL> to have a "to" line that doesn't contain the name...only the email
HL> address. I know that this can be done,
... 
HL> Is this done with a template?

Yes - it can be done in templates:

%to=''%to='%toaddr'

You'd have to change all templates that you used to employ the macro,
but it really seems a little "harsh".

HL> One way this comes up, which I am trying to avoid, is with replies
HL> to mailing list messages, where the reply address might show up
HL> as, e.g., "John Doe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".

I actually rather dislike replies to a person on a mailing list being
addressed just to the list even more than the (pretty poor) habit of
allowing TB's default of associating a person's name with the list
address (shudder). I firmly believe that the method I (and many others
here) use is the best of all worlds. You can see that I have replied
to you directly and so can everyone else. Yet I still make it clear
that the message addressed to you is not going to your email address.

HL> Again, the main thing is that I want to be able to set this once,
HL> not each time, or for each person or list, when I want it to
HL> occur.

You can set it in your default templates on a per-account basis, but
you'll need to reiterate it for every group / person in the address
book should you wish it to cascade. It's not an option.

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question from a newbie

[Henry Lefkowitz]

Hi!  I'm new to this list, and I apologize for the denseness that
brings forth such a question, and just so it gets covered, I am using
gmail on the web for this list, as I would rather maintain this lists'
messages on a server I can easily check from anywhere.

There is one particular thing that I would like to be able to do,
concerning TheBat, and I don't know if it's possible.  I do know that
it's an issue of personal preference that others may not agree with. 
Anyway...

I would like for all messages that come from me, from any account, to
any person, whether it is a new message, a reply, a forward, or a
redirect, to have a "to" line that doesn't contain the name...only the
email address.  I know that this can be done, for individual contacts
or groups, in the address book, but is there a way to set this as a
global setting, from the beginning?  Is this done with a template? 
One way this comes up, which I am trying to avoid, is with replies to
mailing list messages, where the reply address might show up as, e.g.,
"John Doe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".

Again, the main thing is that I want to be able to set this once, not
each time, or for each person or list, when I want it to occur.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide this new user!

With peace,

Henry
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Re: Command line usage

[daRkSidE]

In data Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:04:55 +, David Elliott ha scritto:

>> How can I solve it?
> What is your OS ?

XP.
 
> Try setting up a short cut with 'Run as' and then calling that short cut.

Interesting work-around, even if I wanted to have the possibility to
change the parameter in order to get different files. But I could also
obtain the same filename and modify/delete in other ways.

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Re: Bayesit Plugin

[Neal Laugman]

Hi John and Group,

>  Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well?
>  It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most.
>  It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as
>  spam.
>  

I have have really good luck with Bayesit no that it and TBv3 are
stable. My "Out of 100 score" setting is "Average" and spam scores
need to be 90 or better. I have a <1% error rate for one slipping
through and NO false positives. But I now have a spambase of over 4000
messages to work off of.

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Re: Command line usage

[David Elliott]

Hello TBUDL,

Historians believe that on 19 November 2004, at 22:39:33 +0100 (which was
21:39 where I live) daRkSidE emanated these words of wisdom

> I want to export some messages contained in a folder, calling The Bat!
> via command line, by another program that is running as a service.

> If TB! is closed, the program who calls TB!, goes on stand-by and TB!
> becomes a SYSTEM process (seen by Task Manager).

> If TB! is open (so TB! runs as a user's process), it works fine.

> How can I solve it?

What is your OS ?

Try setting up a short cut with 'Run as' and then calling that short cut. I
am doing much the same on W2K Server.

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Re: Gmail-POP (was: Re: Test)

[Tony Boom]

Hello Paul,

  A reminder of what Paul Cartwright on TBUDL typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 16:58:09 GMT -0500

> so... you don't have a problem when you tell it to delete messages and they
> don't?? ( time for TBOT :)

,-
 CC'd to TBOT
`-


Suppose it could be classed as a problem but I didn't see it as one.


> using the web interface, not the POP setup.. and... does it REALLY delete
> them, or just put them in an archive somewhere  

You get the option for either. Delete them after you've popped, leave them
in the inbox or archive them.


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Re: Gmail-POP (was: Re: Test)

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday 19 November 2004 4:24 pm, Tony Boom wrote:
>  I didn't have a problem with it, in fact I didn't have any problems at all
>  setting up pop access. What I did say was even if you tell TB! to delete
>  messages from the server they stay there, they don't get deleted.

so... you don't have a problem when you tell it to delete messages and they 
don't?? ( time for TBOT :)
>
>  There is the option on site to delete them though.

using the web interface, not the POP setup.. and... does it REALLY delete 
them, or just put them in an archive somewhere :)
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Re: Command line usage

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo daRkSidE,

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:39:33 +0100GMT (19-11-2004, 22:39 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

D> If TB! is open (so TB! runs as a user's process), it works fine.
D> How can I solve it?

What comes to mind would be to keep TB running. And when your system
starts have TB started too, running minimized or so, maybe...

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Uh, yeah...I MEANT to do that!

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Command line usage

[daRkSidE]

I want to export some messages contained in a folder, calling The Bat!
via command line, by another program that is running as a service.

If TB! is closed, the program who calls TB!, goes on stand-by and TB!
becomes a SYSTEM process (seen by Task Manager).

If TB! is open (so TB! runs as a user's process), it works fine.

How can I solve it?

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Re: Gmail-POP (was: Re: Test)

[Tony Boom]

Hello Paul,

  A reminder of what Paul Cartwright on TBUDL typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 16:11:41 GMT -0500

> I think Tony mentioned that he had a problem with this :)

 I didn't have a problem with it, in fact I didn't have any problems at all
 setting up pop access. What I did say was even if you tell TB! to delete
 messages from the server they stay there, they don't get deleted.

 There is the option on site to delete them though.


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Re: Bayesit Plugin

[MikeD (3)]

Hello John,

Friday, November 19, 2004, 4:02:30 PM, you wrote:

JM>  Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well?
JM>  It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most.
JM>  It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as
JM>  spam.
JM>  

Spammers have gotten "hip" to how Bayesian filtering works and have
devised ways to get around it by filling the message with random words
and the like, so that no two messages are the same ... just as they
were able to get around "name" filtering by creating fictitious
addresses that were always different.

It is a constant struggle.  We find a new "tool", then "they" find a
way around it 

Bayesian filtering still works, just not as effectively against the
rabbid spammer who only seems to care about getting a nonsense message
into your inbox ... as opposed to the commercial spammer who does want
you to buy something (what are they thinking?  )

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Re: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Tony Boom]

Hello Maggie,

  A reminder of what Maggie on TBUDL typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 15:23:18 GMT -0500

> I have. I've sent the default.msl file to you by PM.

 I bet she's got a dozen of them now, I sent her one too.


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Re: Bayesit Plugin

[Sean Rima]

Hello John,

Friday, November 19, 2004, 9:02:30 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Chris,

>  Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well?
>  It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most.
>  It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as
>  spam.
>  


I have started to notice this, I hit the same message around 10-30 times and 
still it is not marked as spam

Sean

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Re: Another Test.

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday 19 November 2004 7:04 am, Tony Boom wrote:
> Dad, are we there yet?
no son, but go toward the light... the light is good :)

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Re: Gmail-POP (was: Re: Test)

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday 19 November 2004 2:13 am, thn wrote:
> You have to enable the POP-ability in your Gmail-webinterface (BTW, I
> cannot get access in the mornings around 8:00 CET).
>
> My settings are

well, I went into MY  program and clicked the "check what the ISP supports" 
for different POP/SMTP options, and I got THIS error message back( we are 
talking gmail, of course):

The server does not seem to support unique message numbers, but this is a 
requirement for leaving messages on the server; therefore, this option has 
been disabled.
Since some servers do not correctly announce their capabilities you still have 
the possibility to turn leaving fetched messages on the server on.


I think Tony mentioned that he had a problem with this :)
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Bayesit Plugin

[John Morse]

Hello Chris,

 Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well?
 It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most.
 It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as
 spam.
 

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Re[2]: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Maggie]

Hi Mary,
11/19/2004 11:49:41 AM you wrote:

CW>> Does anyone have an unedited version of the files that they could
CW>> possibly send me?

MB> I'm certain that someone does. If not, perhaps you could make-do with
MB> mine. I took out only "knifed" and "headshot," both of which are
MB> offensive to me.

I have. I've sent the default.msl file to you by PM.

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Default msl

[Maggie]

Hi Chris,
 
  Here's the msl file. I must get clarification on how to send the
  folder Default. Do you want all the individual gifs? The folder
  itself does not attach to the mail.

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Re: Another Test.

[Sean Rima]

Hello Tony,

Friday, November 19, 2004, 12:04:55 PM, you wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1


> Hello TBUDL,

> Dad, are we there yet?



No son, we are not, just sit down and wait :)

Sean

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Re: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Tony Boom]

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Hello Chris,

  A reminder of what Chris Weaven on TBUDL typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 16:26:09 GMT +

> Does anyone have an unedited version of the files that they could
> possibly send me?

 I got one, it's on it's way.


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Re: Filter hickups

[Tony Boom]

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Hello Gerard,

  A reminder of what Gerard on TBUDL typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 17:37:36 GMT +0100

> That is not the problem in this case.
> The filters work fine 99.9% of the time

 Best thing to do is send the filter to the list so the filter guru's can
 see it.



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Re: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Chris,

on Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:26:09 +GMT, you wrote:

MB>> If you want what comes with TB! we shall have to advertise for someone
MB>> with an unedited version. :)

CW> Does anyone have an unedited version of the files that they could
CW> possibly send me?

I don't remember to have edited mine, so I'll send them along.

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Re: Filter hickups

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Gerard,

on Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:32:35 +0100GMT, you wrote:

G> I have some strange non repeatable problems with the filtering of emails.

G> I get mails that normally filter to a folder being left in my inbox. That the
G> filters work is proven by the fact that if I re-filter the inbox with the
G> incoming filters they do get sorted to their correct folders.

Happens here too occasionally. I haven't found a scheme yet, and it is
always only one message, while all others are processed by the same
filter correctly.

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Re: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Mary Bull]

Hello Chris!

On Friday, November 19, 2004, 10:26 AM, you wrote:

MB>> If you want what comes with TB! we shall have to advertise for
MB>> someone with an unedited version. :)

CW> Does anyone have an unedited version of the files that they could
CW> possibly send me?

I'm certain that someone does. If not, perhaps you could make-do with
mine. I took out only "knifed" and "headshot," both of which are
offensive to me.

I wonder how you lost those files? I notice that you're running beta
v. 3.0.2.7 . Think you got a faulty download?

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Re: Filter hickups

[Gerard]

ON Friday, November 19, 2004, 4:27:40 PM, you wrote:
TB> What I'm trying to say is check the sequence the filters run in.

Hi Tony,

That is not the problem in this case.
The filters work fine 99.9% of the time

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Re: Newbie

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Hello Mica,

  A reminder of what Mica Mijatovic on TBUDL typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 16:34:25 GMT +0100

> Hi Tony, we are nuts too. (:

> Tip No 1: It's not curable but we always may pretend.

 I don't want to be cured. As the saying goes, "Nuts have more fun" or is
 that blonds? Either way, I'm both :)


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Re: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Mary,

On Friday, November 19, 2004 08:51 your local time, which was 14:51 my
local time, Mary Bull [MB] wrote;

MB> Except--if someone would send you the files by PM. Would you like for
MB> me to try that? My files are not the originals from The Bat! but a
MB> sanitized, edited version.

Ok, thanks Mary, at least we've found the problem!

MB> If you want what comes with TB! we shall have to advertise for someone
MB> with an unedited version. :)

Does anyone have an unedited version of the files that they could
possibly send me?
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Re: Filter hickups

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Gerard & everyone else

on 19-Nov-2004 at 13:43:02 (GMT +0100), you wrote:

> I have some strange non repeatable problems with the filtering of emails.

Does it happen with account specific filters or with common filters?

> Are these known problems and are they being worked on?

I believe so, I had something similar myself.

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Re: Newbie

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 19 Nov 2004,
   @  @  at 15:03:55 +, when Tony Boom wrote:

> Hello TBUDL,

> I'm new to this list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My names Tony
> and I hope I'm in the right place to learn about using Outlook
> Express.

> I look forward to reading all the tips you have.

Hi Tony, we are nuts too. (:

Tip No 1: It's not curable but we always may pretend.

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Re: Newbie

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Hello Mary,

  A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBUDL typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 09:21:21 GMT -0600

> What do you need tips about?

 Nothing as yet but I heard there was a gmail discussion on here so I paid
 my subscription fee and here I am :)


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Re: Filter hickups

[Tony Boom]

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Hello Gerard,

  A reminder of what Gerard on TBUDL typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 13:32:35 GMT +0100

> Are these known problems and are they being worked on?

 I just had a similar problem. I have a filter that colours unread
 messages. I also have one that colours posts from me a different colour
 from the rest and I couldn't get it to work.

 It was because I had it above the one that colours unread messages. So the
 filter was working, it was colouring my posts but then the following
 filter coloured it back again to unread colours.

 What I'm trying to say is check the sequence the filters run in.


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Re: Newbie

[Mary Bull]

Hello Tony!

On Friday, November 19, 2004, 9:03 AM, you wrote:

TB> I'm new to this list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My names
TB> Tony and I hope I'm in the right place to learn about using
TB> Outlook Express.

Tony, you are a complete nut! OE indeed! But welcome aboard!

TB>   I look forward to reading all the tips you have.

What do you need tips about?

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Newbie

[Tony Boom]

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Hello TBUDL,

  I'm new to this list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My names Tony and
  I hope I'm in the right place to learn about using Outlook Express.

  I look forward to reading all the tips you have.


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Re: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Mary Bull]

Hello Chris!

On Friday, November 19, 2004, 8:43 AM, you wrote:

MB>> Also, look in The Bat!/Images and be sure that you have both Default
MB>> and default.msl files there. Hope this helps. If not, please let us
MB>> know and we can explore further with you. :)

CW> Ah ha, we could have a winner. No default or default.msl files here,
CW> just rogues.msl and pcwsmileys.msl

CW> Could this be the problem

Precisely it is the problem. And there is no way to get the Default
and default.msl as a separate download from The Bat!

Except--if someone would send you the files by PM. Would you like for
me to try that? My files are not the originals from The Bat! but a
sanitized, edited version.

If you want what comes with TB! we shall have to advertise for someone
with an unedited version. :)

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Re: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Mary,

On Friday, November 19, 2004 08:06 your local time, which was 14:06 my
local time, Mary Bull [MB] wrote;

MB> Are you using Rich Text View? Right-click in the View Folder menu when
MB> you're reading this message. There's a choice on the context menu.
MB> Uncheck "Use plain text viewer" if it is checked. It's a really
MB> convenient way to switch back and forth. :)

Nope, using Rich Text here.

MB> Also, look in The Bat!/Images and be sure that you have both Default
MB> and default.msl files there. Hope this helps. If not, please let us
MB> know and we can explore further with you. :)

Ah ha, we could have a winner. No default or default.msl files here,
just rogues.msl and pcwsmileys.msl

Could this be the problem?
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Re: Set priority in templates ?

[Mary Bull]

Hello WilWilWil!

On Friday, November 19, 2004, 8:20 AM, you wrote:

W> How can I say that I want the message has high priority in a
W> template ? I can't find a macro for this...

From the Help File:
===
PRIORITY = "H/N/L"  set the message priority to High/Normal/Low


I presume you would say PRIORITY = "H" as a line in your Address Book
templates.

W> Same question to uncheck "read confirm" set by default in the
W> account setting". I want to keep "redconfirm" set for the global
W> account setting, but just want to unchek the "readconfirm" for this
W> template".
===
NORCPTCONFIM, NORRQ disable the Receipt Request flag for the current
message

NOREADCONFIRM, NORCR Disable the Reading Confirmation Request flag for
the current message
===

I found these in Help/Help Topics/Index/Macros/Full alphabetical list
of macros. Hope these are what you need.

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Re[2]: Serious mail download problem

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello MFPA,
Thursday, November 18, 2004, 7:59:35 PM, you wrote:

>> Secondly, your reply to me does not contain a reference header. Is
>> this by design?

M> I would hope it was not by design as it prevents threading.
M> Perhaps something to do with the particular webmail being used?

 Ah yes, I hadn't realized that you did not use The Bat to reply.

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Set priority in templates ?

[WilWilWil]

Hello,

How can I say that I want the message has high priority in a template ? I can't 
find a macro for this...


Same question to uncheck "read confirm" set by default in the account setting". 
I want to keep "redconfirm" set for the global account setting, but just want 
to unchek the "readconfirm" for this template".

Thanks


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Re: Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Mary Bull]

Hello Chris!

On Friday, November 19, 2004, 7:23 AM, you wrote:

CW> For some reason, the little yellow smilie faces that are part of
CW> TB! don't seem to be working.

CW> I have the option enabled in editor preferences but still nothing.

Are you using Rich Text View? Right-click in the View Folder menu when
you're reading this message. There's a choice on the context menu.
Uncheck "Use plain text viewer" if it is checked. It's a really
convenient way to switch back and forth. :)

Also, look in The Bat!/Images and be sure that you have both Default
and default.msl files there. Hope this helps. If not, please let us
know and we can explore further with you. :)

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Yellow smilies don't seem to be working

[Chris Weaven]

Hi,

For some reason, the little yellow smilie faces that are part of TB!
don't seem to be working.

I have the option enabled in editor preferences but still nothing.

Any ideas?
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Re: Filter hickups

[Bill McCarthy]

On Fri 19-Nov-04 6:32am -0600, Gerard wrote:

> I have some strange non repeatable problems with the filtering of emails.
>
> I get mails that normally filter to a folder being
> left in my inbox.

Confirmed here.  It doesn't happen often, but it's an
annoyance.  Yesterday, it happened while I was sending
a mail (while receiving mail).

I wonder if this could be a synchronization issue?  On
other occasions, I've noticed that the problem occurred
when incoming mail triggered a filter which forwards
the mail as an attachment to my office.  It does not
appear to happen all the time.

In all cases, the problem is "fixed" by simply re-
filtering the Inbox.

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Filter hickups

[Gerard]

Hi Bat Users,

I have some strange non repeatable problems with the filtering of emails.

I get mails that normally filter to a folder being left in my inbox. That the
filters work is proven by the fact that if I re-filter the inbox with the
incoming filters they do get sorted to their correct folders.

Yesterday I received a mail from a friend that normally goes to me "Friends"
folder, but now ended up in the replies folder.
This shows that the email is being processed by the filter system but hat my
friends filter apparently was out for a leak :-)

Are these known problems and are they being worked on?


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Another Test.

[Tony Boom]

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Hello TBUDL,

Dad, are we there yet?


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Re[2]: Strange folder in sorting office/filters

[WilWilWil]

RO> I've got no idea what you mean. Could you make a screenshot and place
RO> it somewhere on line?
RO> When you've got no means of placing things on line, send it via PM to
RO> me. Attached pictures are discouraged on this list.

Thank you for you offer. I send you a capture now in PM.

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Re: Strange folder in sorting office/filters

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo WilWilWil,

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:57:36 +0100GMT (18-11-2004, 11:57 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

W> Since this morning, when I go to filters of my accounts, in
W> "Incoming rules", I can see my 10 rules like yesterday, but more,
W> there is now a sub-folder created named "Moving in Hooks" !

I've got no idea what you mean. Could you make a screenshot and place
it somewhere on line?
When you've got no means of placing things on line, send it via PM to
me. Attached pictures are discouraged on this list.

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