Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo Edvinas, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:06:45 +0200GMT (6-12-2005, 8:06 +0100, where I live), you wrote: IIRC those are BayesIt's dictionary files with words you've defined as spam or ham related. You're supposed to configure BayesIt so that it knows where you want it to place those files. EM I understand it perfectly. No, you don't. EM The problem is that with the clean installation I *don't have* those files. EM And when I don't have them BayesIt! does not vreate new ones, it just EM complains about missing files. You're supposed to tell BayesIt where to place them. So that when you mark messages as HAM or SPAM it knows where it has to create the files when they're not on the specified place. In order to create them you have to tell it where you want them, you can do that via the menu: Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam - BayesIt! - Configure - Basic filter's options - Working directory Just now, just for the pleasure of testing it for you I deleted the whole directory tree where my copy of BayesIt stores its stuff. Subsequently I marked some messages as SPAM or HAM and BayesIt created not only the files, but also the directory tree.. -- Groetjes, Roelof ERROR: 001 Windows loaded. System in danger. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpGHIoMbIUX2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, December 6, 2005, at 10:52 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: You're supposed to tell BayesIt where to place them. So that when you mark messages as HAM or SPAM it knows where it has to create the files when they're not on the specified place. In order to create them you have to tell it where you want them, you can do that via the menu: Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam - BayesIt! - Configure - Basic filter's options - Working directory Just now, just for the pleasure of testing it for you I deleted the whole directory tree where my copy of BayesIt stores its stuff. Subsequently I marked some messages as SPAM or HAM and BayesIt created not only the files, but also the directory tree.. Well, it is not the case here. I was doing everything absolutely the same as you describing, however BayesIt creates just the following directories and files (output of dir *.* /s): === Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt 2005-12-06 11:10DIR . 2005-12-06 11:10DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:04DIR base 2005-12-06 11:06 2 587 bayesit.LOG 1 File(s) 2 587 bytes Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt\base 2005-12-06 11:04DIR . 2005-12-06 11:04DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:06DIR transact 0 File(s) 0 bytes Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt\base\transact 2005-12-06 11:06DIR . 2005-12-06 11:06DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:05 1 189 858 autotrain.bys 2005-12-06 11:0610 752 autotrain.idx 2005-12-06 11:0621 624 autotrain.lst 3 File(s) 1 222 234 bytes Total Files Listed: 4 File(s) 1 224 821 bytes 8 Dir(s) 7 176 785 920 bytes free == And here what is in BayesIt log file: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 --- New session log BayesIt! version: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 0.8.4 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading training information. 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Recalculating dictionaries from here: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Z:\Edvinas\My Documents\Mail\BayesIt\base\spamdict.bye 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading whitelist... Number of loaded whitelist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Whitelist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading blacklist... Number of loaded blacklist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Blacklist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading ignorelist... Number of loaded ignorelist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Ignorelist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Background recalculation started... 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Z:\Edvinas\My Documents\Mail\BayesIt\base\nspamdict.bye 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Spam frequency dictionary: 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Non-spam frequency dictionary: 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo Edvinas, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:17:41 +0200GMT (6-12-2005, 10:17 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Just now, just for the pleasure of testing it for you I deleted the whole directory tree where my copy of BayesIt stores its stuff. Subsequently I marked some messages as SPAM or HAM and BayesIt created not only the files, but also the directory tree.. EM Well, it is not the case here. I was doing everything absolutely the same as EM you describing, however BayesIt creates just the following directories and EM files (output of dir *.* /s): Well, I got the same log entries as you, but when I mark messages as spam or ham I get this in my BayesIt log: : --- : Training mode... Value is 0, no tokens! : --- 06.12.2005 08:38:22 Preparing of autotraining: creation of folder and moving file with collected info into this folder. 06.12.2005 08:38:22 Preparing stage of autotraining is completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:25 This autotraining session will... 06.12.2005 08:38:25 change the 'non-spam' part of dictionary by: collected letters assigned to this part: 483 and the total counter of tokens: 203089 06.12.2005 08:38:25 change the 'spam' part of the dictionary by: collected letters assigned to this part: 940 and the total counter of tokens: 256299 Try pass number: 1 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Recalculation of 'spam' frequency dictionary... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Recalculation of 'spam' completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Recalculation of 'non-spam' frequency dictionary... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Recalculation of 'non-spam' completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Final checking of current recalculation... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 checking integrity of new 'non-spam' dictionary... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Checking of this dictionary is completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 checking integrity of new 'non-spam' dictionary... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Checking of this dictionary is completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Refreshing main 'non-spam' dictionary by recalculated one. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Refreshing main 'spam' dictionary by recalculated one. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 All autotraining processes completed. You need to train BayesIt, not with one or two messages, but with a couple of hundred, so that it gets a reasonable idea of what you consider spam. BayesIt will not work immediately out of the box and it never will. The EM 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... that you quoted from your log is BayesIt's way to ask for training -- Groetjes, Roelof User - a technical term used by computer pros. See idiot. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpR4xZjhY5Sj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:17:41 +0200, Edvinas Matiušaitis wrote: Well, it is not the case here. I was doing everything absolutely the same as you describing, however BayesIt creates just the following directories and files (output of dir *.* /s): === Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt 2005-12-06 11:10DIR . 2005-12-06 11:10DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:04DIR base 2005-12-06 11:06 2 587 bayesit.LOG 1 File(s) 2 587 bytes Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt\base 2005-12-06 11:04DIR . 2005-12-06 11:04DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:06DIR transact 0 File(s) 0 bytes Well, I've been down this road also, so you're not alone Edvinas. I seem to recall that the problem occurs when the mail folder is not in the 'default' location, i.e. as part of the TB program folder group. IIRC I *think* I got over the problem by creating two 'dummy' files using notepad and manually copying them to the 'new' Bayesit location. Once BayesIt managed to write some extra entries to this location then everything worked OK afterwards. Make doubly sure that the folder locations are EXACTLY where they should be in the Bayeit options. And, make sure that you haven't got TWO copies of BayesIt installed in different locations. I had these problems a few versions ago and up to now subsequent program 'upgrades' have worked OK. Good Luck! -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.62.14 and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Small regex needed
Hello Roelof, On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:13:35 +0700 GMT (04/12/2005, 18:13 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Yes, this sounds about right. I will test it in the office on Tuesday. Test successful. Thanks a lot. -- Cheers, Thomas. The closest I ever got to a 4.0 in high school was my blood alcohol content. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor in 3.62.14
Hello Roelof, On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:18:33 +0700 GMT (04/12/2005, 18:18 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: RO Options - Preferences - Viewer/Editor - Default editor for text... TF That's already set to MicroEd. Anyway, I just tried here at home, and TF HTML mails are replied to in plaintext, as desired. So I'll TF double-check in the office, and if the faulty behaviour persists, It's fine now. There was no tickmark at [ ] Reply in plaintext. Duh. Thanks for your help. -- Cheers, Thomas. Comparisons are as bad as cliches. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo BJH, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:38:48 +GMT (6-12-2005, 11:38 +0100, where I live), you wrote: B I seem to recall that the problem occurs when the mail folder is not in the B 'default' location, i.e. as part of the TB program folder group. Can't be the problem, as I don't store my messages there either. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows 95: Making Windows work just like a Mac did 10 years ago! The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpYS8tH8W9gn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, December 6, 2005, at 11:37 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: You need to train BayesIt, not with one or two messages, but with a couple of hundred, so that it gets a reasonable idea of what you consider spam. BayesIt will not work immediately out of the box and it never will. The EM 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... that you quoted from your log is BayesIt's way to ask for training Well, you were right. I had not enough spam messages for BayesIt to get proper training. When I've marked a couple of hundreds of messages as spam, then a couple of hundreds of messages as not spam ant BayesIt exited training mode and created those missing files. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo Edvinas, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:51:46 +0200GMT (6-12-2005, 16:51 +0100, where I live), you wrote: EM Well, you were right. I had not enough spam messages for BayesIt to get EM proper training. Actually, that's the reason that I'm keeping about 1000 messages in my junk folder. Whenever I decide to retrain BayesIt I still have enough bad mail. Enough good mail isn't the problem as I keep somewhat more of those... -- Groetjes, Roelof Where there's smoke, there's toast. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp6HtGAKjwtx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB getting slow
Off late my TB has become rather slow, as the number of emails keep increasing. Now I have around 80,000 emails accumalted over last several years. I keep upgrading to new version of TB, but still slow. I don't have virus in my PC either. I run TB maintenance regularly also. Any clue, how it can be improved? Is there any convenient way/format to archive emails from TB. -- Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB getting slow
Hello SD, On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S Now I have around 80,000 emails accumalted over last S several years. About the same as me. S Any clue, how it can be improved? Is there any convenient way/format S to archive emails from TB. With advice from a message much earlier on here I created a new Archive account with a password so that it's not read by TB! unless you specifically open it. I then set the parameters for all my TB! folders to keep maximum of 3,000 messages in each folder (probably should be even less than that) and move all other messages to Account archive. Bingo. Faster The Bat! (hopefully!) -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Match and Contain Filter condition
Hello Ian, Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 5:37:48 PM, you wrote: IAW What is the difference between the Contain and Match conditions in IAW filters? IAW I would have taken them to be the same. Does it have something to do IAW with the filter containing a regexp? I have tried searching through IAW the help file, but I have not been able to locate anything. Match is for regex, contain is not. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.06 (Beta) on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB getting slow
Hello SD... On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:14:17 +0200, you wrote: Off late my TB has become rather slow, as the number of emails keep increasing. Now I have around 80,000 emails accumalted over last several years. I keep upgrading to new version of TB, but still slow. I don't have virus in my PC either. I run TB maintenance regularly also. Any clue, how it can be improved? Is there any convenient way/format to archive emails from TB. I guess speed depends on what you as the user considers slow. 80,000 email is more than I have so I cannot compare to myself. I know of someone who has many more than twice that amount on hand in TB and is quite happy about it. I think TB can handle itself very well with large amounts. That's good you do regular maintenance. I know that other factors besides performing the Folder Maintenance Centre functions regularly will have an effect such as processor speed and the amount of ram on your system. For archiving, you could also export messages in the available formats TB offers and read them in an appropriate reader. -- steverio TB!v3.62.14 TBV!v3.63.07 Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 OTFE Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB getting slow
SD @ 12/06/2005 5:14:17 PM TB getting slow mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Off late my TB has become rather slow, as the number of emails keep increasing. Now I have around 80,000 emails accumalted over last several years. I keep upgrading to new version of TB, but still slow. I don't have virus in my PC either. I run TB maintenance regularly also. Any clue, how it can be improved? Is there any convenient way/format to archive emails from TB. I keep my main folders (Inbox, TBUDL, and other list folders) under about 1000 messages. However, each of those folders has an associated archive folder where the rest of the messages are stored. So, but using a combination of base size limits, alternate deletion settings, and removal of old messages on exit, I shunt old messages to an archive folder which I only access when I need to (searching, message ID queries). Seems to work well for me. The Bat! starts up and shuts down in under 5 seconds and is very responsive during normal operation on my 1.8 GHz laptop with 1.5 GB of RAM and a 5400 RPM hard drive. However, I do run Purge Compress nightly after I have finished the day's work. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. At a Towing Company: We don't charge an arm and a leg. We want tows. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Match and Contain Filter condition
Stuart Cuddy @ 12/06/2005 5:59:18 PM Match and Contain Filter condition mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Match is for regex, contain is not. Is Match slower than Contain? Is Contain slower than Starts With? Is Is the fastest? Does anyone know? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Notice in a field: THE FARMER ALLOWS WALKERS TO CROSS THE FIELD FOR FREE, BUT THE BULL CHARGES pgplHkpoBH4CD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Match and Contain Filter condition
Hallo Chris, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:20:27 -0600GMT (7-12-2005, 6:20 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Match is for regex, contain is not. C Is Match slower than Contain? Is Contain slower than Starts C With? Is Is the fastest? Does anyone know? Speed isn't the difference if it matters at all. They're different conditions. -- Groetjes, Roelof Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact, are transmission errors only!! The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp9RIl6NY9it.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Match and Contain Filter condition
Roelof Otten @ 12/07/2005 1:00:39 AM Match and Contain Filter condition mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Match is for regex, contain is not. Is Match slower than Contain? Is Contain slower than Starts With? Is Is the fastest? Does anyone know? Speed isn't the difference if it matters at all. Normally, a regexp match takes longer. Does anyone know if this is the case in The Bat? They're different conditions. I know, but a regexp without any fancy syntax acts like a Contains, does it not? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Found missing pgpEOTDJLILEu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
