Re[2]: Best spam filter for TB!
11/28/2016 1:56 PM Hi Arkadiusz, On 11/28/2016 Arkadiusz Gawlik wrote: AG> Hello Jack, AG> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 5:35:21 PM, you wrote in subject of "Best spam filter for TB!": JSL>> Anyway, the long and short of this message is a request to learn what this group JSL>> thinks is a good spam filter for TB! today. We are both running v6.xx and JSL>> Windows 10. AG> I am using AntispamSniper for TheBat! (a paid version). AG> I've used it on Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and now Windows 10 AG> and various TB! versions without any issues. I agree. Been using it for years. It just works. - -- Paul The Bat! v.7.3.12.8 (BETA) on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best spam filter for TB!
Hello Jack, On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 5:35:21 PM, you wrote in subject of "Best spam filter for TB!": JSL> Anyway, the long and short of this message is a request to learn what this group JSL> thinks is a good spam filter for TB! today. We are both running v6.xx and JSL> Windows 10. I am using AntispamSniper for TheBat! (a paid version). I've used it on Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and now Windows 10 and various TB! versions without any issues. -- Best regards, Arek Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM Filter
Jeff, If the TB4 plug-ins are compatible with TB5, you might want to take a look at the Regula Anti-spam plug-in. I've been using it ever since my mail server went to STARTLS (which broke POPfile) about six months ago. After a bit of training Regula seems to be doing a good job of catching the spam that gets through the mail server's filters. http://www.gaijin.at/en/tbpregula.php -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.44.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SPAM Filter
Hello Group I've been away from Windows for a while but I'm now back home with XP x64 and TheBat v 5.0.34. I see we no longer have the BayesIT (? spelling) plug in for a variety of reasons. What do people use/recommend in its place? It's useful to be able to identify SPAM and have it moved to a junk folder. -- Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM Filter
Hello Jeff, On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 you wrote: JG Hello Group JG I've been away from Windows for a while but I'm now back home with XP JG x64 and TheBat v 5.0.34. JG I see we no longer have the BayesIT (? spelling) plug in for a variety JG of reasons. JG What do people use/recommend in its place? It's useful to be able to JG identify SPAM and have it moved to a junk folder. Years ago a similar question was asked and the suggestion at that time was K9 from KEIR.NET which I have used ever since with great success. It's a Bayesian (sp?) filter which will tag spam with the word SPAM in the subject line. From there you can create a filter to move it to another folder. -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.44.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Setting SPAM filter to run after other filters
Hi I'm using the built in BayesIT spam filter which works pretty well, but is there some way of setting it to filter incoming mail AFTER my other filters have run? In spite of me attempting to train it to recognise TBDUL mail as not junk - much of my list mail is still ending up in the junk folder. If I run a re-filter on the folder my custom filters happily put the mail back where it should be, but it's a major pain to have to do it this way. I'm probably missing something really obvious but whatever it is I'm just not getting it. -- Best regards, Carrenmailto:kiwionab...@xnet.co.nz Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting SPAM filter to run after other filters
Hello Carren, Sunday, July 26, 2009, 9:18:07 AM, among other things, you wrote: CS I'm using the built in BayesIT spam filter which works pretty well, but CS is there some way of setting it to filter incoming mail AFTER my other CS filters have run? I don't think so. CS In spite of me attempting to train it to recognise CS TBDUL mail as not junk - much of my list mail is still ending up in CS the junk folder. I think most of us gave up using BayesIt quite a long time ago and switched to AntispamSniper for the Bat!.You can get the download at www.antispamsniper.com , perhaps you should give it a try. However it still won't run after other filters, but once trained gives very few false positives, or negatives! -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.2.9.1 POP3with AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting SPAM filter to run after other filters
Hallo Carren, On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:18:07 +1200GMT (26-7-2009, 9:18 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CS I'm using the built in BayesIT spam filter which works pretty CS well, but is there some way of setting it to filter incoming mail AFTER my other filters have run? No there isn't. plug-in filters are always executed before the sorting office. The only way to get rid of your false positives is by training your spam filter. -- Groetjes, Roelof I think, therefore, I cannot be a moderator. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.2.9.4 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpM3sfVELvbA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disabling spam filter
Hi On Wednesday 28 January 2009 at 4:28:04 AM, in mid:67926.20090128052...@gmx.de, Jens Franik wrote: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 at 01:05, Lynn wrote: I'm not seeing an earth icon. Perhaps I have an alternate skin or toolbox option? More likely, that you have to view a HTML Mail to make it appear. It only appears here if I click on the HTML tab of an email that has external links (to images or whatever.) I usually only do that if the layout of the plaintext display is too poor to understand the message and I think it might be something important or interesting. -- Best regards, MFPA I think not, said Descartes, and promptly disappeared Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disabling spam filter
Hi On Tuesday 27 January 2009 at 10:04:47 PM, in mid:1306532565.20090127160...@fastmail.fm, Dwight Corrin wrote: you can always just allow everything How? (Just curious.) -- Best regards, MFPA Yellow snow is not lemon flavoured Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disabling spam filter
Hi On Tuesday 27 January 2009 at 11:50:34 PM, in mid:662086882.20090127175...@mts.net, Stuart Cuddy wrote: you can de-select the show this window automatically check box. This will cause TB to ignore HTML pictures and act like TB used to. Brilliant. I saw this window rarely enough that it was only a minor irritation. Now you have told me how to suppress it. Thank you! -- Best regards, MFPA Don't ask me, I'm making this up as I go! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Disabling spam filter
Hi - Since I upgraded the last time, this spam device has driven me bonkers. I have just scanned over 800 messages here, and haven't found a fix, and can only hope I haven't missed it. Thanks be that Batters are so good about subject lines! If the thing can't be disabled altogether, is it at least possible to tell it to block or permit domain names? This business of allowing/blocking each individual gif or jpg is totally insane! They change with every mailing on much of this stuff, and filtering on those defeats the purpose entirely! TIA, and sorry for the desperation, but it takes me longer to mess with that than to delete the spam! Lynn -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.4.1.9 NT5 SP4 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disabling spam filter
Hallo Lynn, On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:03:21 -0800GMT (27-1-2009, 22:03 +0100, where I live), you wrote: L If the thing can't be disabled altogether, is it at least possible to L tell it to block or permit domain names? This business of L allowing/blocking each individual gif or jpg is totally insane! They L change with every mailing on much of this stuff, and filtering on those L defeats the purpose entirely! You're talking about the Download URL manager, that isn't a spam filter, but gives you the possibility to configure from what sites you want to see the pictures and from what sites not. Don't select the individual messages, but their root when choosing to allow or block. AFAIK You can't disable the feature. -- Groetjes, Roelof I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.1.11 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpI9BwLNdvTW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Disabling spam filter
1/27/2009 RO You're talking about the Download URL manager, that isn't a spam RO filter, but gives you the possibility to configure from what sites you RO want to see the pictures and from what sites not. RO Don't select the individual messages, but their root when choosing to RO allow or block. Many have several roots, as many as 5 on the worst. And it is evident that they change the content from mailing to mailing, so that one determination is not enough. EBay notices frequently have several; since various items/vendors are involved, how could they be the same? Should I have to allow every vendor notification they send out??? I've been fighting the thing ever since I installed that version. I can't believe I'm the only user with this issue! RO AFAIK You can't disable the feature. No offense, but I really, really, hope you are wrong. But .. thanks anyway. Lynn -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.4.1.9 NT5 SP4 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disabling spam filter
On Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 3:56:27 PM, Lynn wrote: Many have several roots, as many as 5 on the worst. And it is evident that they change the content from mailing to mailing, so that one determination is not enough. EBay notices frequently have several; since various items/vendors are involved, how could they be the same? Should I have to allow every vendor notification they send out??? I've been fighting the thing ever since I installed that version. I can't believe I'm the only user with this issue! you can always just allow everything -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Disabling spam filter
1/27/2009 DC you can always just allow everything I am thinking that will have to be it, and I'm sure I won't have to wait long before I see it again. I haven't even been able to find a way to bring the wretched thing up independently! I didn't think I was any stupider than usual, but I've really had it up to here with the thing. Thanks, though - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.4.1.9 NT5 SP4 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disabling spam filter
Hello Lynn, Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 3:03:21 PM, you wrote: L If the thing can't be disabled altogether, is it at least possible to L tell it to block or permit domain names? This business of L allowing/blocking each individual gif or jpg is totally insane! They L change with every mailing on much of this stuff, and filtering on those L defeats the purpose entirely! If you are referring to the URL manager then you can disable it entirely or call it up as needed. To open it click on the earth icon on the header bar and select Show URL Manager. There you can de-select the show this window automatically check box. This will cause TB to ignore HTML pictures and act like TB used to. You can also open this same window when you receive an email you want to see the pictures in and allow them for that email. This usually lets all pictures from that emailer through from that point on. I hope this is what you meant, if not please ignore me altogether. ;) -- Stuartmailto:scu...@mts.net Using The Bat! v4.1.9.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Disabling spam filter
1/27/2009 SC If you are referring to the URL manager then you can disable it entirely or call SC it up as needed. I was, yes. SC To open it click on the earth icon on the header bar and select Show URL SC Manager. There you can de-select the show this window automatically check box. SC This will cause TB to ignore HTML pictures and act like TB used to. I discovered this accidentally a few minutes after I answered the last mail. At least I found the checkbox; I'm not seeing an earth icon. Perhaps I have an alternate skin or toolbox option? SC You can also open this same window when you receive an email you want to see the SC pictures in and allow them for that email. This usually lets all pictures from SC that emailer through from that point on. If I can find it again now that I've got it turned off, I'll explore it further, but maybe I'll just leave it turned off :-) SC I hope this is what you meant, if not please ignore me altogether. ;) No, no, thanks very much! I was feeling really stupid, which of course adds to the aggravation! I'm much more mellow now that the thing is turned off! lol! And as a nice little bonus, while I was scanning those hundreds of messages trying to find a reference to the thing, I discovered I could pipe my gmail messages to TB. I went and did it - easiest config I've ever done, barring TB's basic configs - and that's working too. This is unquestionably the best support group on the net! Thanks to all who've replied! Lynn -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.4.1.9 NT5 SP4 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Disabling spam filter
Hello Lynn, Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:05:21 PM, you wrote: L I discovered this accidentally a few minutes after I answered the last L mail. At least I found the checkbox; I'm not seeing an earth icon. L Perhaps I have an alternate skin or toolbox option? It only appears when you are viewing an HTML mail that has external links. -- Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! v4.1.9.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disabling spam filter
Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 at 01:05, Lynn wrote: I'm not seeing an earth icon. Perhaps I have an alternate skin or toolbox option? More likely, that you have to view a HTML Mail to make it appear. The other way is to customize the Toolbar and set up the Icon yourself. It is in All_Actions/Message_Viewer/Show_URL_Manager -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Spam Filter
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:25:06 +0200, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you do that with selective download filters, those download the message headers and can kill the message from server before the full message will be downloaded. However, I've never used them myself as they lengthen the download time substantially, because the message headers will be downloaded twice, once to compare them with the selective download filters and a second time when the complete message is downloaded. With my message mix (lots of short messages) that isn't worth the trouble. Furthermore I don't kill on arrival and that's the only useful action for selective download filters. Fair enough. If someone had a dial up Internet connection and had lots of big spam messages come through, it sounds like this approach might be tailor made for them. 'Delete the message', that's the action listed right above 'Delete from server' My server does my spam marking, it adds a spam header and I've set TB to move those messages to a spam folder and mark them as read (you know that you can set multiple actions to a single filter, don't you) so I won't see it unless I'm browsing my spam folder to check for false spam marks. So that could be an option for you too. Thanks - most of my spam is unknown, but this particular address is nothing but, so I can safely set it to 'delete the message'. I can use the other approach for the spam (unknown) filter though. The blank lie isn't necessary, but it's supposed to consist of dash dash space on a single line, but as you aren't using TB on the list I can't comment on how to achieve that. Thanks - I'm using Agent via gmane. I've updated the signature block in the Agent options. Yes. Cool - I think different programs must adhere to a different standard. I've seen newsreader programs which work fine with the '--' (without space), but The Bat needs the space by the looks of it. Oh well, no problem. -- Regards, GG Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Spam Filter
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:15:36 +0200, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Chris, On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:00:08 +1000GMT (9-6-2008, 19:00 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C Today I received an email from Neco [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The C filter was triggered (the account log says that the email was C processed by Spam (Known). That's good, isn't it? ;-) Yes - it would seem that the filter is catching the message, which is great. C Problem is, the message was then delivered to my inbox (and it says C that in the same line in the account log also). Can anyone tell me C why the Action did not occur (delete from server)? Are you sure it still is present on your server? I think you misunderstood the meaning of the action. In order to decide whether the message matches the condition the message has to be downloaded. And all messages that are downloaded travel through the Inbox. As the only action that gets executed is deletion from the server, the downloaded copy stays put in the Inbox. Deletion from server is an action that's meant to be used when you keep your messages for x days on the server. The message has gone from the server - I have The Bat set to remove all messages on download anyway. I have misunderstood that option in the first place - I thought that it looked at the from address while the message was still on the server, and then would delete it without needing to download it. What actions do I need so that I never see the message in the first place? C -- Your signature delimiter isn't working properly. Ah nuts :( I'm not sure what the problem with it is - I set it to be the two dashes and then a blank line under that with my name a further line down. Ok, I've tried a change - does this one work any better? -- Regards, GG Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Spam Filter
Hallo Chris, On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:05:17 +1000GMT (10-6-2008, 10:05 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C I have misunderstood that option in the first place - I thought C that it looked at the from address while the message was still on C the server, and then would delete it without needing to download C it. Well, you do that with selective download filters, those download the message headers and can kill the message from server before the full message will be downloaded. However, I've never used them myself as they lengthen the download time substantially, because the message headers will be downloaded twice, once to compare them with the selective download filters and a second time when the complete message is downloaded. With my message mix (lots of short messages) that isn't worth the trouble. Furthermore I don't kill on arrival and that's the only useful action for selective download filters. C What actions do I need so that I never see the message in the first C place? 'Delete the message', that's the action listed right above 'Delete from server' My server does my spam marking, it adds a spam header and I've set TB to move those messages to a spam folder and mark them as read (you know that you can set multiple actions to a single filter, don't you) so I won't see it unless I'm browsing my spam folder to check for false spam marks. So that could be an option for you too. C Ah nuts :( I'm not sure what the problem with it is - I set it to be C the two dashes and then a blank line under that with my name a further C line down. The blank lie isn't necessary, but it's supposed to consist of dash dash space on a single line, but as you aren't using TB on the list I can't comment on how to achieve that. C Ok, I've tried a change - does this one work any better? Yes. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows: written entirely by and for blondes http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.24.17 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgp5QiirgIjjo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with Spam Filter
Hi, I have a filter thus: Name: Spam (Known) Condition: Sender Contains @neco.com.au Action: Delete the Message from the Server Today I received an email from Neco [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The filter was triggered (the account log says that the email was processed by Spam (Known). Problem is, the message was then delivered to my inbox (and it says that in the same line in the account log also). Can anyone tell me why the Action did not occur (delete from server)? -- Regards, GG Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Spam Filter
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:00:08 +1000, Grumpy Gamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I received an email from Neco [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The Oops, list has munged the email. Let's try expanding it out a little: Neco less than sign newsletter at @ neco dot com dot au greater than sign -- Regards, GG Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Spam Filter
Hallo Chris, On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:00:08 +1000GMT (9-6-2008, 19:00 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C Today I received an email from Neco [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The C filter was triggered (the account log says that the email was C processed by Spam (Known). That's good, isn't it? ;-) C Problem is, the message was then delivered to my inbox (and it says C that in the same line in the account log also). Can anyone tell me C why the Action did not occur (delete from server)? Are you sure it still is present on your server? I think you misunderstood the meaning of the action. In order to decide whether the message matches the condition the message has to be downloaded. And all messages that are downloaded travel through the Inbox. As the only action that gets executed is deletion from the server, the downloaded copy stays put in the Inbox. Deletion from server is an action that's meant to be used when you keep your messages for x days on the server. C -- Your signature delimiter isn't working properly. -- Groetjes, Roelof Blessed our young they will inherit our national debt. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.24.17 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpHrW9R90S7M.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Hi On Saturday 26 January 2008 at 6:03:35 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Costas Papadopoulos wrote: One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. I just use The Bat!'s own filters system. Needs only occasional tweaking. No automated figures available but I would guess 95% to 99% effective. Very few falsely moved to spam folders once you get the filters right. I generally get very little spam (1-5 per day) but every few months I will get a deluge of about 3000-4000 spread over a few days. My filters usually only miss about 25-30 of this deluge, just means my spam is predictable. Somebody using Regular Expressions could probably achieve greater accuracy. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't cry because it is over - smile because it happened Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Saturday, January 26, 2008, 6:03:14 PM, you wrote: I would ideally like to isolate spam for inspection rather than have it automatically deleted. Mailwasher does not automatically delete on the server. Instead you run it as a separate program and it shows you all incoming email before you retrieve these emails to your email programs. It has a leaning filter but you can inspect all flagged emails prior to processing. Once you process, then good emails are either downloaded to your pc into your email program or deleted on the server and never make it onto your pc. -- Tom using TheBat! 3.99.29 on XP Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 at 08:03:35 +0200, Costas wrote: One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. I have used Popfile for several years very satisfactorily, but I use it for more than just classifying spam/not spam, I use it to classify mail into multiple work and personal categories. I also use Antispamsniper for The Bat as a backup program, although in relation to spam it usually exactly matches Popfile. -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.99.25 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Hi Costas, on Saturday, January 26, 2008 at 07:03 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: Hello, One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. I use MailWasher (http://www.mailwasher.net/) and for me it is very good! Thanks for any advice. -- Best regards, Roland I use The Bat! v4.0.0.14 (ALPHA) Pro under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2! Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Yasus Costas, -- Samstag, 26. Januar 2008, 08:03:35: One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. I am also using Antispamsniper (ASS). A the beginning of last year I've made a screen shot of the statistics and repeated this at the end of last year. The results where: - Error Rate: 0.95% - False Negative: 0.89% - False Positive: 0.06% I think this is pretty good. -- liebe Grüsse www.EddieCastelli.com Eddie :ec: on Tour Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
I use Agava licensed version. But completely unsatisfied. Above all, their set up file always setting up adware.They claim that it is auto removabl by license key input, but exactly not! If you have huge numbers of spam , i use MailWasher for business emails! It works just great. As a add-in to the BAT, i am also looking for recommendation. Saturday, January 26, 2008, 2:03:35 PM, you wrote: Costas Papadopoulos Hello, Costas Papadopoulos One of my email addresses has recently started Costas Papadopoulos being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam Costas Papadopoulos filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. Costas Papadopoulos Thanks for any advice. Saturday, January 26, 2008 -- Sadi Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Hi Costas, One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. Like Henk, I use AntiSpam Sniper, too. Only on rare occasions will a previous version not work with an Alpha or Beta test version of TB!. It is toally configurable, and for the price can save you hours of agravation. -- Neal Using TheBat! v4.0.0.14 (ALPHA) on Windows XP Service Pack 2 AntispamSniper 2.7.1.5 OTFE enabled Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Hello Costas, I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. Yet another vote for AntispamSniper. Here are my current statistics: Received messages: 46324 Error rate:0.28% False negatives: 0.25% False positives: 0.04% -- Dave Goodman The Bat! 3.99.29 AntispamSniper 2.7.1.5 Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Hello Robin, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 10:08:50 AM, you wrote (possibly edited): I have used Popfile for several years very satisfactorily, but I use it for more than just classifying spam/not spam, I use it to classify mail into multiple work and personal categories. I decided to try out POPFile. First impressions are good, although it's too early for me to come to a final conclusion. -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Which spam filter for The Bat?
Hello, One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. Thanks for any advice. -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
I use K9 (http://keir.net/k9.html) as an external program and am fully satisfied with it. An exerpt from my stats : - Time period : 380 days - Number of mails processed : 4618 - percentage of good mail : 26.94% - percentage of spam : 73.06% - false positive : 10 - false negative : 8 It is an abandonware since 2004 but it works quietly and smoothly with win xp and is really easy to configure. -- pascal Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, at 08:03:35 [GMT +0200] (which was 7:03 where I live) Costas Papadopoulos wrote: One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. I am using the free version of Antispamsniper for the Bat! plugin and am very pleased with it! - -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! E-Mail System version 4.0.0.14 (ALPHA) Pro on Windows XP SP2 AntispamSniper for the Bat! 2.7.1.5 Thawte notary, CAcert assurer, GSWoT introducer Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org pgptQI7cU0nEt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Hello Ian and Henk, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 8:39:19 AM, you wrote (possibly edited): I am using the free version of Antispamsniper for the Bat! plugin and am very pleased with it! I know people who use Mailwasher Pro and they also say it's very good. In my case I don't have any serious restriction with the mail server quota and I would ideally like to isolate spam for inspection rather than have it automatically deleted. I'll follow up all suggestions given. -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Peter, Thursday, September 28, 2006, 8:02:14 PM, you wrote: Peter Hello Granville Cousins, Peter on Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:41:26 +0100 (2006-09-28 15:41:26 in .nl) in the Peter message with reference Peter mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you [GC] Peter wrote (at least in part): I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it possible to configure The Bat! to Filter my email by adding: X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. Yes I have ticked this option in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work with The Bat!. I have simply set up a common filter that applies to all accounts/folders that looks for (in my case) spam in the x-text lasifiction header and instructs that filter, if f triggered, to send the offending ,ail to the junk folder. GC Where can I find this configuration in The Bat! filters section? I have GC looked in there and cannot see any place where I can request The Bat! GC to filter my email using the header classification. I am running The GC Bat! version 1.6r. Peter From memory: Peter Use [Account | Sorting Office/Filters] to create a filter. Peter Click on New filter (or similar). Peter In the pane on the right, leftmost tab, give the filter a name etc. Peter etc. and add a filter condition: Peter - at the left there is a text field available, put Peter X-Text-Classification: in there (no quotes). Peter - in the middle there's a drop down list, select Kludges (TB lingo for Peter headers). Peter - at the right is another drop down list, select Yes. Peter The second tab allows you to add more filter conditions. Peter In case you want to use regex in the filter conditions, select the Peter third (or was it forth?) tab and check the box next to Use regular Peter expressions (or similar) text. Thanks Guys, it's worked. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Peter, Thursday, September 28, 2006, 8:02:14 PM, you wrote: Peter Hello Granville Cousins, Peter on Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:41:26 +0100 (2006-09-28 15:41:26 in .nl) in the Peter message with reference Peter mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you [GC] Peter wrote (at least in part): I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it possible to configure The Bat! to Filter my email by adding: X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. Yes I have ticked this option in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work with The Bat!. I have simply set up a common filter that applies to all accounts/folders that looks for (in my case) spam in the x-text lasifiction header and instructs that filter, if f triggered, to send the offending ,ail to the junk folder. GC Where can I find this configuration in The Bat! filters section? I have GC looked in there and cannot see any place where I can request The Bat! GC to filter my email using the header classification. I am running The GC Bat! version 1.6r. Peter From memory: Peter Use [Account | Sorting Office/Filters] to create a filter. Peter Click on New filter (or similar). Peter In the pane on the right, leftmost tab, give the filter a name etc. Peter etc. and add a filter condition: Peter - at the left there is a text field available, put Peter X-Text-Classification: in there (no quotes). Peter - in the middle there's a drop down list, select Kludges (TB lingo for Peter headers). Peter - at the right is another drop down list, select Yes. Peter The second tab allows you to add more filter conditions. Peter In case you want to use regex in the filter conditions, select the Peter third (or was it forth?) tab and check the box next to Use regular Peter expressions (or similar) text. Can you tell me where I can view the X-Text-Classification: spam marker in emails that have been designated as Spam by The Bat!? This is just to see that it is working correctly. Thanks -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hi Granville, on Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:41:55 +0100GMT (30.09.2006, 11:41 +0200GMT here), you wrote: GC Thursday, September 28, 2006, 8:02:14 PM, you wrote: GC Can you tell me where I can view the X-Text-Classification: spam GC marker in emails that have been designated as Spam by The Bat!? GC This is just to see that it is working correctly. Select the message and press ctrl+shift+K. This will show you all headers. -- Cheers Peter Aibohphobia - Fear of palindromes Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hallo Granville, On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:41:55 +0100GMT (30-9-2006, 11:41 , where I live), you wrote: GC Can you tell me where I can view the X-Text-Classification: spam GC marker in emails that have been designated as Spam by The Bat!? GC This is just to see that it is working correctly. Press Ctrl-Shift-K, that will show you all headers, you can look for your custom header between them, probably it's the last header before the message starts. Press Ctrl-Shift-K again to make the headers invisible again. -- Groetjes, Roelof I love animals...they're delicious! http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpXUdoFnhLRx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Roelof, Saturday, September 30, 2006, 11:33:34 AM, you wrote: Roelof Hallo Granville, Roelof On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:41:55 +0100GMT (30-9-2006, 11:41 , where I Roelof live), you wrote: GC Can you tell me where I can view the X-Text-Classification: spam GC marker in emails that have been designated as Spam by The Bat!? GC This is just to see that it is working correctly. Roelof Press Ctrl-Shift-K, that will show you all headers, you can look for Roelof your custom header between them, probably it's the last header before Roelof the message starts. Roelof Press Ctrl-Shift-K again to make the headers invisible again. Cheers, have a good day. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
On 26 Sep 2006, at 11:09, Marten Gallagher wrote: Hello TBUDL, I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it possible to configure The Bat! to Filter my email by adding: X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. Yes I have ticked this option in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work with The Bat!. I have simply set up a common filter that applies to all accounts/folders that looks for (in my case) spam in the x-text lasifiction header and instructs that filter, if f triggered, to send the offending ,ail to the junk folder. Where can I find this configuration in The Bat! filters section? I have looked in there and cannot see any place where I can request The Bat! to filter my email using the header classification. I am running The Bat! version 1.6r. Love Light, Granville Running The Bat! version 1.6r on Windows 2000 www.yogawithgranville.com Love Light, Granville www.yogawithgranville.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Granville Cousins everyone else, on 28-Sep-2006 at 15:41 you (Granville Cousins) wrote: Where can I find this configuration in The Bat! filters section? I have looked in there and cannot see any place where I can request The Bat! to filter my email using the header classification. I am running The Bat! version 1.6r. Marten is using version 3 of TheBat, you're still using v1. Things are very different in the sorting office in the meantime. If I remember correctly, you have to create a filter with a regular expression test in v1. I hope someone can help you, I sure know it *IS* possible to filter for headers in v1, I did that myself, but v1 really was years ago... Maybe you should update, anyway. The update is not very expensive and you get many new and nice functions. Virtual folders, plugins, common filters, the all new and much more comprehensible sorting office... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 26-Sep-2006 at 17:21 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: The first step to follow Peter's instructions would be to upgrade to v3, what Peter suggested can't be done with your 1.62r But only the part with the common filters. He doesn't need to upgrade to v3 to filter for headers/header contents, or does he? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) May you live all the days of your life. -- Johnathan Swift Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello TBUDL, I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it possible to configure The Bat! to Filter my email by adding: X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. I have ticked this option in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work with The Bat!. Thanks -- Love and Light, Granville mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello TBUDL, I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it possible to configure The Bat! to Filter my email by adding: X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. Yes I have ticked this option in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work with The Bat!. I have simply set up a common filter that applies to all accounts/folders that looks for (in my case) spam in the x-text lasifiction header and instructs that filter, if f triggered, to send the offending ,ail to the junk folder. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.85.03 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Peter, Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 10:55:31 AM, you wrote: Peter Hi Granville, Peter on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:44:50 +0100GMT (26.09.2006, 10:44 +0200GMT here), Peter you wrote: GC I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it GC possible to configure The Bat! to Filter my email by adding: GC X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. I have ticked this option GC in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work GC with The Bat!. Peter Next step would be a filter in The Bat! with the condition Header Peter match X-Text-Classification: spam and the action you want for it. Peter -- Peter Cheers Peter Peter Peter It is now possible for a flight attendant to get a pilot pregnant. Peter - Richard J. Ferris, president of United Airlines Peter Peter Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: Peter http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Can't quite figure out how to do that in The Bat!. Could you give me a littel more step by step help please? -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hallo Granville, On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:09:03 +0100GMT (26-9-2006, 12:09 , where I live), you wrote: GC Can't quite figure out how to do that in The Bat!. Could you give me a GC littel more step by step help please? The first step to follow Peter's instructions would be to upgrade to v3, what Peter suggested can't be done with your 1.62r To avoid this kind of confusion it's recommended to insert your TB version and system specifics in your signature. -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr 007: System price error - Inadequate money spent on hardware http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp8NMY0LQBxL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hi Granville, on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:44:50 +0100GMT (26.09.2006, 10:44 +0200GMT here), you wrote: GC I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it GC possible to configure The Bat! to Filter my email by adding: GC X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. I have ticked this option GC in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work GC with The Bat!. Next step would be a filter in The Bat! with the condition Header match X-Text-Classification: spam and the action you want for it. -- Cheers Peter It is now possible for a flight attendant to get a pilot pregnant. - Richard J. Ferris, president of United Airlines Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Can't quite figure out how to do that in The Bat!. Could you give me a littel more step by step help please? Click Account Sorting Office/Filters Account Drop Down Box: click on Common Filters Click on the funnel top left Right hand side: Name change 'new filter' to 'K9 Junk' or something COndition window: Click on Sender, go down and click on Header Field In new little drop doewn box either select X-Text-Classification or type it in exactly as that (assuming K9 is adding that header field). cotains = whatever K9 is labelling your Junk Bottom half of window: Actions Add mark as read Move to folder (and tell it which folder) Click OK Test it -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.85.03 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 4:21:33 PM, you wrote: Roelof Hallo Granville, Roelof On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:09:03 +0100GMT (26-9-2006, 12:09 , where I Roelof live), you wrote: GC Can't quite figure out how to do that in The Bat!. Could you give me a GC littel more step by step help please? Roelof The first step to follow Peter's instructions would be to upgrade to Roelof v3, what Peter suggested can't be done with your 1.62r Roelof To avoid this kind of confusion it's recommended to insert your TB Roelof version and system specifics in your signature. Thank you for your advice. Seeing that I am running version 1.62r. What do you recommend as a solution? The problem is that my ISP is already marking quite alot of my email as Spam. So I would like to filter out such mail with a very different way of marking it. Can I still do this with my current version and mark my spam with the marker provided by K9. Thank you. Granville Running The Bat! version 1.62r. on Windows 2000. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wireless, Bat K9 spam filter
Hello Robin, Thursday, February 2, 2006, 11:54:19 PM, you wrote: I thought the wireless hot spots (i.e. the ones around the city in Sydney and Melbourne, occasionally free in coffee shops, otherwise pay by credit card) only allowed http connections. I could be wrong, I only looked at it once, came to that conclusion and thought I'd look at it later when I worked out how to tunnel pop and smtp through http. if the conclusion is correct, you can look at a software called HTTPORT, which has this meaning exactly - a TCP over HTTP type of tunnel. however, you'll need a server-mode host to keep the other end of the tunnel. -- Best regards, vitaliemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wireless, Bat K9 spam filter
Hallo John, On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:05:13 +1100GMT (2-2-2006, 8:05 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JP Unable to get mail using wireless hot spots with Bat K9, although I can JP send mail. First thing that comes to mind is that it's a K9 issue. After all it doesn't matter to TB as it's always downloading from localhost. -- Groetjes, Roelof Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning. - Kirk The Bat! 3.70.06 Qigong (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpgecD0snvC7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wireless, Bat K9 spam filter
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:34:13 +0100 Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo John, On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:05:13 +1100GMT (2-2-2006, 8:05 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JP Unable to get mail using wireless hot spots with Bat K9, although I can JP send mail. First thing that comes to mind is that it's a K9 issue. After all it doesn't matter to TB as it's always downloading from localhost. The first thing that struck me was, Is the SMTP agent really sending? Or is it queueing until it finds a healthy connection? As far as TB is concerned it was able to successfully send - to the SMTP agent. So it would appear to TB your mail was sent. Cricket -- At work, using email web interface. They wont let me use TB here :( Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wireless, Bat K9 spam filter
Hello John Phillips everyone else, on 02-Feb-2006 at 08:05 you (John Phillips) wrote: POP Server 127.0.0.1 By default, K9 listens on port , and not 110 (pop3 default). That may be the culprit. I forget it each time I install K9 for someone. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Bhakti (10:18) by Ishq from the album 'Orchid (CD1)' Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wireless, Bat K9 spam filter
Hi Alexander, On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, at 19:29:59 [GMT+0100] (which was Fri, 5:29:59 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: y default, K9 listens on port , and not 110 (pop3 default). Thanks, that is set up correctly. On ADSL in Holiday Inn right now; all working fine. Any other clues? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the average man can see better than he can think. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wireless, Bat K9 spam filter
Hi Roelof, On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, at 13:34:13 [GMT+0100] (which was 23:34:13 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: First thing that comes to mind is that it's a K9 issue. After all it doesn't matter to TB as it's always downloading from localhost. Thinking about it, it may be the wireless provider issue. All worked fine until recently; wondering if they changed something at their end? Of course, asking the drones who work in their service area is hopeless at the best of times - if it ain't Outofluck Express or Outofluck you are using, you're out of luck! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 How come there's only one Monopolies Commission? Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wireless, Bat K9 spam filter
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 at 18:05:13 +1100, John wrote: Unable to get mail using wireless hot spots with Bat K9, although I can send mail. I thought the wireless hot spots (i.e. the ones around the city in Sydney and Melbourne, occasionally free in coffee shops, otherwise pay by credit card) only allowed http connections. I could be wrong, I only looked at it once, came to that conclusion and thought I'd look at it later when I worked out how to tunnel pop and smtp through http. -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.3 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Wireless, Bat K9 spam filter
Hi Bat! Fans, Unable to get mail using wireless hot spots with Bat K9, although I can send mail. No problems with dial up or broadband. My settings are:- POP Server 127.0.0.1 log in mail.bigpond.com/110/jp88 password x Am I missing some reason why I cannot download with wireless? I also upload to 127.0.0.1, in this case it is my own SMTP server, which appears to work fine. T.I.A. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Welcome to the Church of the Holy Cabbage. Lettuce pray... Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam Filter (was Re: Plugin Hotmail for TB3 ?)
Hello Watcher everyone else, on 17-Dez-2004 at 21:10 you (Watcher) wrote: I don't know of any desktop spam filter with Bayes analysis that comes Wow, that is strange to hear, it worked the instant I installed it, I trained it very little and it has been doing well. Thats not so strange - I don't know how BayesIt actually works, but I think everything is considered ham until you re-classify it. :) Of course I have NO email offers that I consider non-spam, I don't want to be 'kept up to date', when I need something I'll start looking, not get what someone sent to my desktop to sell me something. Maybe that is part of the reason? The success of any Bayes filter is dependant on one's email profile, and undoubtfully a consistent classification by the end-user is necessary. Its surprising however how precise PopFile can classify mails (PopFile can not only keep ham and spam apart, but classify mails into groups that you define yourself). If I start having problems, I'll download K9 as you suggested, it looks fine except that it's external which will be a bit more of a pain. As it is now, both have their pros cons... BayesIt integrates nicely into TB, K9 has a much better configuration interface. I actually find it easier to re-classify a mail with K9 than with BI. BayesIt needs better integration into TB, but I think that is not the problem of TB but rather the plugin interface. For example, I'd like to have some buttons for classification in the mail viewer and preview pane, and not nested in some right-click menu. I'd also like to see the score of each message in TB, and not only in the logfiles of BI. For me, K9's interface is simply better for that. PopFile's interface statistics are unrivalled IMHO, but then again, the program is so slow, it hurts. :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 de la Lastra's Corollary: After an access cover has been secured by 16 hold-down screws, it will be discovered that the gasket has been ommitted. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spam Filter (was Re: Plugin Hotmail for TB3 ?)
Hello Watcher everyone else, on 17-Dez-2004 at 18:03 you (Watcher) wrote: [ BayesIt ] It starts out with it's basic knowlege about spam I don't know of any desktop spam filter with Bayes analysis that comes with a pre-defined dictionary. You have to teach any Bayes filter (not only BayesIt) what is good (ham) and what is bad (spam) mail continously - its accuracy will increase over time and you have to do less training in the long run and only need to occasionally re-classify one or the other mail. The nice thing about BayesIt is (or theoretically, would be) that you can immediately train it from within TB - mark everything in your Sent folder and classify it as not junk (server-side commercial spam filters can often auto-learn from sent messages, too). And you could download collections of spam mails from the internet, import them to TB and train BayesIt with those (similar game, select them all and classify as junk). However, this won't fit your very own personal spam profile (one person may consider the weekly offers from his/her freemail provider valuable information, the other is annoyed by it and classifies it as spam), I believe importing such collections actually weakens the filter because it is not precise enough to catch the mails that you, and only you, consider spam. I had the same problems with BayesIt as Roelof had - I teached and teached it with the spam that went to my Inbox, but it never seemed to catch up. With different mail aliases (7) and accounts (2), I get the very same spam message repeatedly, yet BayesIt didn't recognize them, not after re-classifying the first, the second, the third... I don't know whats wrong with it, and why it works fine for others - for me, it didn't. Having used SpamPal + Bayesian plugin, PopFile lately K9, they all performed a lot better even after the shortest training periods. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one. -- Benjamin Franklin Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam Filter (was Re: Plugin Hotmail for TB3 ?)
Hello Alexander, Friday, December 17, 2004, 1:25:25 PM, you wrote and sent the following: Having used SpamPal + Bayesian plugin, PopFile lately K9, they all performed a lot better even after the shortest training periods. It's why I use Malwasher Pro. Can include multiple e-mail accounts, but working off the same spam/legit training mail base. It also includes white list/black list, dns blacklist, and user filtering (including RegEx). Everything happens on the server so nothing gets downloaded that I don't let through (though I have recently begun letting some, to train BayesIT and give it a test. Won't be the same, but will do something when I forget to run MWP first). Now if there was a Mailwasher Plugin for TB, now that WOULD be nice. You know, I think I'll e-mail Firetrust about it. Wouldn't that be cool? -- Andrew Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 On Windows XP, 5.1 Build: 2600 The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. --Plato (427 BC - 347 BC) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam Filter (was Re: Plugin Hotmail for TB3 ?)
Hello Andrew, A reminder of what Andrew on TBUDL typed on: 17 December 2004 at 22:15:37 GMT +0100 A You know, I think I'll e-mail Firetrust about it. Wouldn't that be A cool? His name is Nick Bolton, I have Mailwasher Pro as well and I totally agree with you, it's by far the best spam killer I've used... Apart from MDaemon that is. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 17/12/2004 at 21:30 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt pgplW28UiveAB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: K9 spam filter
ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* RHS They usually get past k9 and BayesIt here also, but frankly I don't RHS mind. Some of them are quite funny, and once in awhile I'll bite on RHS one of them and encourage them to fax me info, call, etc. Since RHS they're usually in Africa, the faxes cost them a bit of money, and I RHS currently live in Uzbekistan, so the random number I give them here is RHS going to frustrate them, since I doubt few of the scammers know RHS Russian or Uzbek. If I can get them to waste time and money on me, RHS maybe some other poor soul won't get taken in that week. I love it! Go get 'em Rick! -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 At an Auto Body Shop: May we have the next dents? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hello Mark,
On Monday, November 29, 2004, 9:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PJ The filter is as follows:
PJ TB! Message Filter
PJ beginFilter
PJ UID: [97E80840.01C492FE.7689AE34.682BBB08]
PJ Name: K9\20Anti-Spam
PJ Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`\20spam\0D\0A}
PJ MoveMessage folder \5C\5Cpatnet\5C$JUNK$
PJ IsActive
PJ endFilter
PJ Email marked as spam stays resolutely in the inbox. Any ideas?
MP This one works for me:
MP TB! Message Filter
MP beginFilter
MP UID: [4A31FDE0.01C49062.236C3EE8.40D55E8C]
MP Name: K9\20Spam
MP Filter: {0\0D\0A0`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20spam\0D\0A}
MP MoveMessage folder \5C\5CMark\5CInbox\5CSpam\20Trap\20K9
MP DeleteFromServer
MP IsActive
MP IsSendQueue
MP endFilter
I tried this one and it didn't work either. One account uses
Header contains X-Text-Classification: spam
as a condition; another account uses
Header field X-Text-Classification match spam
(minus quotation marks)
...and neither works consistently. That is, some of the messages K9
marks as spam are redirected, others are not. I've checked the headers
and they are correctly classified, but not always moved.
Could the destination folder have anything to do with it? The filter
is supposed to move them to the Junk folder that already exists.
Thank you!
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Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hi Alexander, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 10:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've set up K9 anti-spam and the TB filters to move spam to a junk folder, but for some reason the filter isn't working. K9 allows you to use the message header X-Text-Classification to identify spam for the purpose of filtering it. ASK Just to be on the safe side - you do have defined the header field ASK X-Text-Classification in Preferences | Messages | Message Headers? Yes, I did make that modification-- sorry, I should have mentioned it. K9 learns and works very quickly so this is frustrating; don't know whether it's a K9 problem or a TB problem, but suspect the latter. Thanks and... -- Best wishes, Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello P.Johnson everyone else, on 30-Nov-2004 at 17:11 you (P.Johnson) wrote: K9 learns and works very quickly Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* so this is frustrating; don't know whether it's a K9 problem or a TB problem, but suspect the latter. Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your accounts. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 If God dropped acid, would He see people? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hi Alexander, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 11:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K9 learns and works very quickly ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* I've received a couple lately and you are right, they snuck past K9. However, if I simply send my bank account info I could be a millionaire and hire someone to filter my email! :-) ASK Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your ASK accounts. I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two slightly different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It seems strange that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the correct folder, and others also marked would not be moved by the filter. Thanks for your help! -- Best wishes, Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hæ!
My filter looks like this:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [564C1620.01C4B05E.1A441C3F.7FE14B3D]
Name: SPAM
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
MarkRead
SetColour 226723330
IsActive
Ignore
IsSendQueue
endFilter
and it works perfectly. It is the last filter in a list of *account*
filters.
It has nothing to do with K9, but this common filter works, too:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [9E420870.01C4ADF9.5ED08BA5.73489440]
Name: junk
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`4`2`Get\20a\20capable\20html\20e-mailer\0D\0A}
SetColour 1981009950
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
MarkRead
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
BTW, is there a way to let TB display the filters in a more readable
and accessible format?
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Re[2]: K9 spam filter
K9 learns and works very quickly ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* They're troublesome for my filter, too. I figure it's because except for spam words like Nigeria, Togo and Central African Republic, the text is generally found in the good word database. The blacklist feature now helps me filter these more effectively. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Majorcan shop entrance: Here speeching American. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Code 2 everyone else, on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:06 you (Code 2) wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* They're troublesome for my filter, too. I figure it's because except for spam words like Nigeria, Togo and Central African Republic, the text is generally found in the good word database. Yes, but its odd that PopFile always successfully identified them, while I've been training K9 for 20 days or something and it still misses them... The blacklist feature now helps me filter these more effectively. I just activated K9's DNS blacklist, hope it helps... I'm tempted to improve my english cursing and swearing skills on those guys a lot, really. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 I must say that I find television very educational. The minute somebody turns it on, I go to the library and read a book. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Thorvald Neumann everyone else,
on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:00 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote:
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}
You altered the default header from spam to junk. Unless Pat did that,
it won't work for her. :-)
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Re: K9 spam filter
ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* BayesFilter catches these for me nicely. It is weak on other mails though :( -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- As you walk down the fairway of life you must smell the roses, for you only get to play one round. -Ben Hogan Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hæ! Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 19:24, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: You altered the default header from spam to junk. Unless Pat did that, it won't work for her. :-) Ah, yes. I thought my old PopFile-filters would work with K9 when I just changed the header-addition. And guess what, the filters work... ;) -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.0.2.8 Professional K9 v1.28 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) +---+ | Get Firefox - Take back the web! | | http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=22411amp;t=1 | +---+ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* Hi Alexander, I usually alert the company which email is being abused by sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have collect so friendly thank you´s like this one today: ASK Dear Sir/Madam, ASK ASK Thank you for bringing a 419 Internet abuser to our attention. ASK ASK We have identified the user, locked the mailbox and rendered the account unusable. ASK ASK We would like to take this opportunity to thank you once again for bringing ASK this to our attention and for helping us to address this serious issue. ASK ASK Yours faithfully ASK Tiscali Abuse Team ASK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Taking action is always better then sitting still and taking the punches :) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What's the point of washing off your ball when teeing off on a water hole? Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Gerard everyone else, on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:44 you (Gerard) wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* BayesFilter catches these for me nicely. It is weak on other mails though :( It may depend on how you handle whitelisted mails. I added the TB lists (and a couple of other english lists) to the whitelist and had the whitelisted messages added to the ham database (I thought it would be good to let the ham database), but now it seems to me it is better to let the whitelisted mails not go to the database since the english language 419 mails get thru, maybe there'se too little difference... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 An optimist thinks that this is the best possible world. A pessimist fears that this is true. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 8:35:09 PM, you wrote: ASK now it seems to me it is better to let the ASK whitelisted mails not go to the database since the english language 419 ASK mails get thru, maybe there'se too little difference... That is how I have set it up. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- By the time a man can afford to lose a golf ball, he can't hit it that far. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello P.Johnson everyone else, on 30-Nov-2004 at 18:51 you (P.Johnson) wrote: ASK Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your ASK accounts. I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two slightly different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It seems strange that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the correct folder, and others also marked would not be moved by the filter. I've configured K9 to *not* add the spam percentage count to the header so that it'll simply contain spam. IIRC the default setting is to include that counter so the header is spam[89] or something. Maybe thats the problem. Thanks for your help! Now, if it would only work! :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers. -- Sydney J. Harris Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Gerard, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 19:44:25 GMT +0100 (which was 19:44:25 where I live), Gerard wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of K9 spam filter: G ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* G BayesFilter catches these for me nicely. G It is weak on other mails though :( That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are getting very smart and know their ways to cheat these filters. I installed a challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam mail got to my inbox since then (and that without training it ;-) ). -- Best regards, Dick ___ The older you get, the better you realize you were. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 22:02:04, Dick H. wrote: That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are getting very smart and know their ways to cheat these filters. I installed a challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam mail got to my inbox since then (and that without training it ;-) ). No problems with bayesian filters here - OTOH, I ignore challenges from challenge-response systems, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Nothing is more annoying than somebody asking you for help, and then, when you answer him, getting Please reply to this message to confirm or Click this link. (Well, there may be another, even more annoying thing - that is C/R systems that autosubscribe themselves to mailing lists, or C/R that challenges every poster to a mailing list). -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ A computer makes as many mistakes in two seconds as 20 men working 20 years. -- Horowitz's Rule Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Jernej, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 22:18:06 GMT +0100 (which was 22:18:06 where I live), Jernej Simoncic wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of K9 spam filter: JS On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 22:02:04, Dick H. wrote: That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are getting very smart and know their ways to cheat these filters. I installed a challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam mail got to my inbox since then (and that without training it ;-) ). JS No problems with bayesian filters here - OTOH, I ignore challenges from JS challenge-response systems, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. JS Nothing is more annoying than somebody asking you for help, and then, when JS you answer him, getting Please reply to this message to confirm or Click JS this link. (Well, there may be another, even more annoying thing - that is JS C/R systems that autosubscribe themselves to mailing lists, or C/R that JS challenges every poster to a mailing list). I fully understand your objections against such a system but there are challenge-response systems and challenge-response systems. Whenever I send a message to somebody (even when it is not yet in my address book) and this persons replies to my email, his answer will end up straight in my inbox and no message is being sent first for any confirmation. As I have loaded my address book in this filter, I haven't received any complaints from my friends, etc. (they simply don't know that I have such a filter active). What I have seen is that my blacklist is growing and growing with many spam email addresses. IMHO, I'm afraid that Bayes based spamfilters will lose the battle in the long run as the spammers will figure out ways to bypass it. -- Best regards, Dick ___ My uncle just turned 75. He never married, and someone asked him if it was because he had never found the perfect woman. 'I found her,' he said. 'But she was looking for the perfect man.' Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hi Alexander, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two slightly different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It seems strange that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the correct folder, and others also marked would not be moved by the filter. ASK I've configured K9 to *not* add the spam percentage count to the header so ASK that it'll simply contain spam. ASK IIRC the default setting is to include that counter so the header is ASK spam[89] or something. Maybe thats the problem. OK, I've changed that setting and here's hoping it will help! Thanks again. -- Best wishes, Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hello Thorvald,
On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TN My filter looks like this:
TN TB! Message Filter
TN beginFilter
TN UID: [564C1620.01C4B05E.1A441C3F.7FE14B3D]
TN Name: SPAM
TN Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}
TN MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
TN MarkRead
TN SetColour 226723330
TN IsActive
TN Ignore
TN IsSendQueue
TN endFilter
TN and it works perfectly. It is the last filter in a list of *account*
TN filters.
Thank you; I will give this one a try too.
TN BTW, is there a way to let TB display the filters in a more readable
TN and accessible format?
I can't really decipher the above format, until I copy and paste into a
new filter.
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Pat
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Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Alexander, Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 9:58:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* They usually get past k9 and BayesIt here also, but frankly I don't mind. Some of them are quite funny, and once in awhile I'll bite on one of them and encourage them to fax me info, call, etc. Since they're usually in Africa, the faxes cost them a bit of money, and I currently live in Uzbekistan, so the random number I give them here is going to frustrate them, since I doubt few of the scammers know Russian or Uzbek. If I can get them to waste time and money on me, maybe some other poor soul won't get taken in that week. -- Cheers, Rick Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
K9 spam filter
Hello,
I've set up K9 anti-spam and the TB filters to move spam to a junk
folder, but for some reason the filter isn't working. K9 allows you to
use the message header X-Text-Classification to identify spam for the
purpose of filtering it.
The filter is as follows:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [97E80840.01C492FE.7689AE34.682BBB08]
Name: K9\20Anti-Spam
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`\20spam\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5Cpatnet\5C$JUNK$
IsActive
endFilter
Email marked as spam stays resolutely in the inbox. Any ideas?
Thank you in advance.
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Pat
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Re: K9 spam filter
Hello P.Johnson,
Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:55:58 AM, you wrote:
PJ The filter is as follows:
PJ TB! Message Filter
PJ beginFilter
PJ UID: [97E80840.01C492FE.7689AE34.682BBB08]
PJ Name: K9\20Anti-Spam
PJ Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`\20spam\0D\0A}
PJ MoveMessage folder \5C\5Cpatnet\5C$JUNK$
PJ IsActive
PJ endFilter
PJ Email marked as spam stays resolutely in the inbox. Any ideas?
This one works for me:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [4A31FDE0.01C49062.236C3EE8.40D55E8C]
Name: K9\20Spam
Filter: {0\0D\0A0`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20spam\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5CMark\5CInbox\5CSpam\20Trap\20K9
DeleteFromServer
IsActive
IsSendQueue
endFilter
I already had it in the OFS.
--
Best Wishes,
Mark
using The Bat! 3.0.2.8
Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello P.Johnson, Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:55:58 AM, you wrote: I've set up K9 anti-spam and the TB filters to move spam to a junk folder, but for some reason the filter isn't working. K9 allows you to use the message header X-Text-Classification to identify spam for the purpose of filtering it. Just to be on the safe side - you do have defined the header field X-Text-Classification in Preferences | Messages | Message Headers? -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spam Filter - Not Spam
I've been using the BayesIT! Spam filter for over a week, long enough to tag quite a few messages as Spam and several as Not Spam. I'm still having a problem with one set of messages. I support several servers. That includes getting messages from the server notifying that a virus was found. I currently have a filter that moves the message to the appropriate folder. The message from one of my clients continues to be marked as Spam. Here's the log message from one of them: 3/9/2004, 08:14:57: FILTER - Message from Administrator to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject [MailServer Notification]To Administrator virus found and action taken. scored 91, qualified as JUNK MAIL I keep on marking these messages as NOT Spam (I've been getting quite a few of them lately) but they are still going into the Junk folder. Any suggestions on eliminating this problem? Thanks. -- Michael Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:47:38 AM (GMT -05:00) RE: Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ? Greetings Alexander, On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 1:08:35 AM, you wrote: Alexander Hello, Batmans. Alexander Please forgive me for my stupidity, but would U explain subject ? We are currently discussing Bruce Wayne and his sidekick. To the Batmobile Robin!. This is a discussion group on The_Bat! e-mail client http:///www.ritlabs.com Anyway ... Sorry moderators. I hate those that subscribe to lists yet have not a clue about the contents. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. All work and no play, will make you a manager. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 Comment: KeyID: 0xECFE3F95 Comment: Fingerprint: 8ABE 6728 1CB9 E231 B2C8 C29D BC22 D3D1 ECFE 3F95 iQA/AwUBP1YRerwi09Hs/j+VEQImXQCfbbrD8o5d8v7g50EdtqyG97X2AjgAoP6/ 92ThjeZuxyIkWQhoqP7G9syj =NmOE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ?
On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 18:06:20, DG Raftery Sr. wrote: Sorry moderators. I hate those that subscribe to lists yet have not a clue about the contents. I think he meant the subject of his post - Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ? -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ http://deepthought.ena.si/ For every credibility gap there is a gullibility fill. -- Clopton's Law Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ?
Hello Jernej, 03.09.2003, U wrote: On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 18:06:20, DG Raftery Sr. wrote: Sorry moderators. I hate those that subscribe to lists yet have not a clue about the contents. I think he meant the subject of his post - Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ? Wow !!! 8-0 You knew that You knew that !!! :) Regards, AG Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ?
Hello, Batmans. Please forgive me for my stupidity, but would U explain subject ? Regards, AG Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:A Useful spam filter
I want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why, particularly on my critical accounts. MA Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered opinion the choice to do MA your own filtering is evaporating. My friend told me boastfully about MA how his Iowa (USA) ISP was Filtering his mail with a bayesian MA filter. I pointed him to a free bayesian filter he could operate MA locally, knowing exactly what was getting bounced. I politely beg to disagree. I think simple self filtering of spam is easy for most people. More than 95% of all my wanted email is both addressed to me and comes from someone with whom I have previously corresponded in my address book (2000 names), or comes from a dozen or so servers (eg. my University). Of the remaining 5% of wanted mail, it is difficult to imagine anything that would fail to mention my name (Dear Mark, Hi Mark, Mark, Hello Mark) or a few dozen keywords that any novel new person approaching me would have to mention to be of any interest whatsoever. Clearly this doesn't apply to everyone who uses email, but I would guess it applies to 95% of us out there who use our email addresses with a modicum of discretion. A few simple filters help to ice the cake (not addressed to me, multiple similar addressees, a few nasty keywords, foreign characters in subject, and routings through a few countries through which legitimate mail to me would never be sent). I really think it is OTT to suggest that The BAT! alone couldn't suffice for most people. The critical aspect of spam detection is *NEVER* to miss *IMPORTANT* legitimate mail and I think it is unlikely I would. Letting a few spams through is hardly relevant. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A Useful spam filter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mike, @12-Jun-2003, 19:05 -0400 (00:05 UK time) Mike Apsey [MA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said I want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why, particularly on my critical accounts. MA Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered opinion the choice to MA do your own filtering is evaporating. ... snip You are correct to an extent, but there are options... MA The face of e-mail is changing and the usefulness of the MA once-innocent Internet is fast deteriorating into a sleazebag MA carney sideshow, populated by hawkers, stalkers, con-men and MA idiots. A good description of the realities of the free-market commerce model and, despite the sleaze aspect, I wouldn't want it any less free. It's a rough with the smooth scenario. MA A grumpy old man's jaded opinion? Or is it the opinion of MA someone unafraid to speak his mind? ;-) shades of both! MA Zero replies and zero comments on my earlier list post, which MA although posted in good spirit with a 3-hour compose time, was MA evidently a waste of time in the minds of the target audience, MA eh? Not in the least. It was a great post! I said nothing because it was pretty much a very clear description of the Sherlock method I have used to filter spam here for a long time. Okay, I have no auto-responders for spam because I get a lot of support email out of the blue and have to fish a help me message from the spam-bucket every other day. Other than that, it makes much more sense than any fancy Bayesian or RBL system and is at least as (if not more) effective. ##Go Mike!!## ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPumfFDnkJKuSnc2gEQLOMgCdGEIGZS8P+TBmcoIsSu68XfJLlT0An10B yMykOdYAJyZNme2efMwkQpkh =rISD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A Useful spam filter
Hello Joseph, Thursday, June 12, 2003, 11:47:19 PM, you wrote: JN Any opinion about how either measures up to SpamPal? And while we're here, has anyone had any experience of SPAM CSI http://www.promailix.com/ ? I received a link from a colleague just this morning. It seems to offer a more proactive option to those who are bitter and twisted by all the SPAM they receive... -- Nick Using TheBat!: v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A Useful spam filter
MA Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered opinion the choice to do MA your own filtering is evaporating. My friend told me boastfully about MA how his Iowa (USA) ISP was Filtering his mail with a bayesian MA filter. I pointed him to a free bayesian filter he could operate MA locally, knowing exactly what was getting bounced. I politely beg to disagree. And I not only respect your right to do that, I yield to your well-earned position of respect within this forum. I think simple self filtering of spam is easy for most people. More than 95% of all my wanted email is both addressed to me and comes from someone with whom I have previously corresponded in my address book (2000 names), Agreed. Mail from prior correspondents is a cakewalk. A respectably large address book. or comes from a dozen or so servers (eg. my University). Agreed. Filtering by server to allow makes wonderful sense. Filtering by server to disallow, in terms of unwanted commercial mail would be a full-time job for me. Of the remaining 5% of wanted mail, it is difficult to imagine anything that would fail to mention my name (Dear Mark, Hi Mark, Mark, Hello Mark) or a few dozen keywords that any novel new person approaching me would have to mention to be of any interest whatsoever. Although an estimated 30% of my unwanted commercial mail does, in fact, mention my name, your suggestion to use phrases common to personal greetings and new-person approaches is valued. There are creative ways to do that as the wheat separates from the chaff. Clearly this doesn't apply to everyone who uses email, but I would guess it applies to 95% of us out there who use our email addresses with a modicum of discretion. Your comment a modicum of discretion can be taken in this context of this public personal reply to be addressed to me and I appreciate this opportunity to comment. I personally exercise more than a modicum of discretion in my dealings with e-mail, and yet as a resident of the US deal with between 30 and 50 bits of unsolicited e-mail each day. I am an active member of the Flight Simulation and Train simulation communities. I purchase frequently on-line. I am a registered user of a dozen or more privately run on-line forums for exchange of information, simulation 3rd-party software support, and to share what I've learned. I do not use IRC, I never post to Usenet although I am capable of doing so without my e-mail address or identity visible or optainable except through the service providers I use. I never press unsubscribe and until very recently did not bother to try to bounce mail. As I wrote in a separate post, most spam replies themselves bounce, however that could easily be a contrivance to separate the live fish from the possibly dead or dying ones. I respectfully remind you that any e-mail which does not bounce will reveal to the sender a fish has been caught. You and I are powerless to change that and I would be very surprised to discover that fact yet to be exploited. While visiting the respectable German website representing FSNavigator, a brilliant program designed to augment the navigational aids within Microsoft Flight Simulator, I replied to a message posted in the site's Newsgroup never for a moment even *dreaming* the message would be copied and posted to Usenet with my full registered address fully visible and ripe for harvest. I communicated my displeasure straightaway to the company but the damage had been done and my Spam skyrocketed--just as anyone's would if some unhappy chap with an axe to grind were to add a personal address to a Usenet post in that most lucrative and rich e-mail mining district. I do not dash about the Web willy-nilly, and if using Google, I will switch to a very crippled and script-disabled Opera-3, whose abilities are wonderfully limited as to what it will and/or will not reveal. Does this profile and these comments fit one who uses poor discretion in how e-mail is used? No, it does not. And yet, the spam flows. For the record, I very much enjoy my on-line pursuits, to include the challenge of creative eradication of unwanted commercial mail from my personal mailbox. I am here to learn. I am here to share. I am here to exchange ideas. I am not an e-mail simpleton and am long in the computer tooth with what I feel are things to contribute. A few simple filters help to ice the cake (not addressed to me, multiple similar addressees, a few nasty keywords, foreign characters in subject, and routings through a few countries through which legitimate mail to me would never be sent). Not addressed to me does not work for me although it will return to my Alternatives arsenal at the first stop. Foreign characters in the subject does not work for me, because many I correspond with are overseas in both directions. There are brilliant bits of software coming from non-english speaking countries, and many of us correspond through Altavista's Babelfish. Routings through a few
Re: A Useful spam filter
snip ##Go Mike!!## ;-). Thank you Marck--not to be confused with the Mark to which I replied somewhat pointedly yet politely earlier this morning. I wish no-one harm and value my opportunities to express opinions as fodder for balanced assessment in the virtual assembly of public comment venues both here and elsewhere. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
