Re[4]: upgrading from ver 1.62r
Guten Morgen, MJS> Let me bite on this one! You're very welcome. MJS> Now I really hope someone in the list can confirm or otherwise that MJS> RITLAbs is working on full IMAP support for v4.1 There are mails from the beta-list where RIT promises just that. Like they did for v4.0. And 3.5. And 3.0, if I remember corretly. I haven't been around for IMAP any earlier, so I can't speak to what happened then. They mentioned that they would have to redesign the message base format to properly support IMAP and that they would tackle this in v4.1 (which at this time is intended to be a non-free update, by the way.) MJS> because I have a lot of trouble understanding "but generally it MJS> works", when it clearly does NOT! It's like being a little bit MJS> pregnant, either you are or you aren't. That's funny - this is what came to my mind word by word. I absolutely agree: To be used in any serious environment IMAP doesn't have to work at just one time, it has to work _every_ time. Even "most of the time" would hardly be enough, since this still can mean the difference between closing that deal in time or loosing money on it big time because you literally never got the message. MJS> I will go so far as to say it will be difficult for TB to retain the MJS> crown as a credible alternative in the corporate arena without IMAP support. The way I see it this crown has been passed on quite some time ago. There was a time when email was POP3 and TheBat hat the works for corporate grade. Today, corporate email is either Exchange or IMAP. TheBat/Exchange is incomplete (no calendar management so our corporate client will use Outlook anyway) and TheBat/IMAP is unreliable. It might as well not exist. MJS> Frankly none of RITLAbs answers satisfies me, so maybe we can MJS> shame someone there into giving us hope this matter will be MJS> resolved soon. I tried that, belive me. It seems the problem is that only one or two guys from RIT even understand english, so you can throw anything at them without any effect. Again, I've walked that road. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpQameprN8KJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: upgrading from ver 1.62r
Hello Alto, See my notes, interspersed, below Friday, March 28, 2008, 5:55:27 PM, you wrote: SA>> As a long time user of The Bat, I have never found it necessary to SA>> upgrade. However, I no longer have tolerance for ver. 1.62r's lack of SA>> formatting functionality, and would also like to have more tagging SA>> options, so, its time to upgrade. AS> Please refresh my memory, what has changed since v1.6x and the current AS> version in regard to formatting? I can hardly recall a thing that AS> wasn't already there in the old versions. Ver. 1.62r only allows messages to be composed in straight text. No font variation, no bold face, no italics, no non-Roman characters, etc. AS> Are you using IMAP? If so, you should be aware that IMAP doesn't work AS> in v4. On the other hand, if you're only using POP you might get AS> something out of the upgrade. I am not using IMAP. See my additional response about IMAP on the "Best way to use the Bat on two home computers" thread." Thanks, for your help. -- Avram Sacks Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrading from ver 1.62r
On Saturday, March 29, 2008, 5:02:37 PM, Michael J. Sharp wrote: > At present (some issues have to be solved) The Bat! does not > work with Gmail via IMAP4-protocol, but successfully does with > POP3. that must have been some time ago, because it is very serviceable with gmail now. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.20 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrading from ver 1.62r
On Saturday, March 29, 2008, 3:30:22 PM, Alto Speckhardt wrote: > It's rather absurd that it took three major versions to _not_ get it > working, wouldn't you agree? well, it could certainly have improved more. but I still prefer it to any of the other IMAP clients I tried. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.20 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: upgrading from ver 1.62r
AS> Guten Morgen, >>> Are you using IMAP? If so, you should be aware that IMAP doesn't >>> work in v4. DAC>> I don't think it did in version 1 [...] AS> Yes, you're right of course. DAC>> but I it is aburd to say it doesn't work in 4. AS> It's rather absurd that it took three major versions to _not_ get it AS> working, wouldn't you agree? Hello AS, Let me bite on this one! IMAP is a very sore issue with me. I really needed (and still do), but RITLabs are in a constant state of denial on IMAP support. According to RITLabs IMAP does work. See a paste of their support response to me: Time: 03/04/2008 17:43:33 From: [4000] (apr) XX (helpdesk staff) Well, there is a full support of the IMAP4-protocol in The Bat! and knowing the settings for you server you can configure The Bat! to work with it. So, basically, create a brand new account and make it an IMAP one, then enter the settings and there you go. Well, sorry "there you go" It still did not work me. Here was their final response and then they closed the ticket: Time: 03/05/2008 17:05:59 From: [4000] (apr) XXX (helpdesk staff) At present (some issues have to be solved) The Bat! does not work with Gmail via IMAP4-protocol, but successfully does with POP3. We can't say IMAP is not working in The Bat! at all, there are some problems, but generally it works. Now I really hope someone in the list can confirm or otherwise that RITLAbs is working on full IMAP support for v4.1, because I have a lot of trouble understanding "but generally it works", when it clearly does NOT! It's like being a little bit pregnant, either you are or you aren't. I will go so far as to say it will be difficult for TB to retain the crown as a credible alternative in the corporate arena without IMAP support. Sorry if this is this sounds a bit tongue-in-cheek, but as I wrote it, it ocurred to me it's a bit like Dante's "Divine Comedy": comical in its denial, yet a tragedy for those that need this feature. Frankly none of RITLAbs answers satisfies me, so maybe we can shame someone there into giving us hope this matter will be resolved soon. Cheers! -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.18.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 on Fujitsu-Siemens, Centrino 1.4Ghz, 512MB, 60GB www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: upgrading from ver 1.62r
Guten Morgen, >> Are you using IMAP? If so, you should be aware that IMAP doesn't >> work in v4. DAC> I don't think it did in version 1 [...] Yes, you're right of course. DAC> but I it is aburd to say it doesn't work in 4. It's rather absurd that it took three major versions to _not_ get it working, wouldn't you agree? -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp7GPdMgIP42.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrading from ver 1.62r
Hello Avram, Friday, March 28, 2008, 8:06:48 PM, among other things, you wrote: SA> As a long time user of The Bat, I have never found it necessary to SA> upgrade. However, I no longer have tolerance for ver. 1.62r's lack of SA> formatting functionality, and would also like to have more tagging SA> options, so, its time to upgrade. I'm not sure what you will gain in terms of formatting, but there have been many other changes which most of us think are improvements! SA> What should I do to insure as smooth a transition to the current SA> version? First back up what you have. SA> When I upgrade, will I have to recreate all folders and filters? Normally, no. SA> Will e-mail groups set up in my address book be lost upon upgrade? Normally, no. SA> Will existing flags be lost with the upgrade? Normally, no. SA> Will distinctions between read and unread messages be lost? No. SA> What should I do to minimize the risk of loss of messages? Make the back up. SA> Do I need to disable my firewall and anti-virus when installing the SA> upgrade? Not usually. SA> Finally, one of the great assets of The Bat is that it has a small SA> footprint and works very fast, much faster than the bloated program with SA> which I am stuck using at the office. Will I experience a drastic SA> reduction in speed, particularly with respect to message downloading, if SA> I upgrade to the current version, given the greater functionality of the SA> current version? It is a long time since I used version 1.62. The current versions are bigger and might therefore take longer to load but generally work quite fast. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-southafrica: The Bat! v4.0.18.7 POP3 with AntiSpamSniper 2.7.1.7, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrading from ver 1.62r
On Friday, March 28, 2008, 5:55:27 PM, Alto Speckhardt wrote: > Are you using IMAP? If so, you should be aware that IMAP doesn't > work in v4. I don't think it did in version 1, but I it is aburd to say it doesn't work in 4. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.18.7 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrading from ver 1.62r
Guten Morgen, SA> As a long time user of The Bat, I have never found it necessary to SA> upgrade. However, I no longer have tolerance for ver. 1.62r's lack of SA> formatting functionality, and would also like to have more tagging SA> options, so, its time to upgrade. Please refresh my memory, what has changed since v1.6x and the current version in regard to formatting? I can hardly recall a thing that wasn't already there in the old versions. Are you using IMAP? If so, you should be aware that IMAP doesn't work in v4. On the other hand, if you're only using POP you might get something out of the upgrade. SA> What should I do to insure as smooth a transition to the current SA> version? Why don't you make a backup of your current installation and then just try running the new install and see what happens? There wouldn't be much to loose then, and you could always go back if necessary. SA> Do I need to disable my firewall and anti-virus when installing the SA> upgrade? No, I don't think so. There will be a few alerts when the installer is checking signatures but the firewall should be able to handle that. SA> Finally, one of the great assets of The Bat is that it has a small SA> footprint and works very fast [...] In current versions occasionally the shutdown of TheBat can take minutes. Other then that there's not much of a speed issue in any version. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpqnSLXHRyRe.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrading from ver 1.62r
Hallo Avram, On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:06:48 -0500GMT (28-3-2008, 19:06 +0100, where I live), you wrote: SA> What should I do to insure as smooth a transition to the current SA> version? Simply install the new version on top of the old one. And just to be sure you could make a backup of the old mail directory. -- Groetjes, Roelof Move away from the tagline. You have ten seconds to comply. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.18.7 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp0HhNsSYZnq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
upgrading from ver 1.62r
Hello fellow listmates, As a long time user of The Bat, I have never found it necessary to upgrade. However, I no longer have tolerance for ver. 1.62r's lack of formatting functionality, and would also like to have more tagging options, so, its time to upgrade. In my current set-up, I have about six different e-mail accounts, with some of them having as many as a dozen different folders into which mail is automatically sorted. Many of these folders have tens of thousands of messages; a few have over 100,000. The Bat automatically compresses when it is closed. What should I do to insure as smooth a transition to the current version? When I upgrade, will I have to recreate all folders and filters? Will e-mail groups set up in my address book be lost upon upgrade? Will existing flags be lost with the upgrade? Will distinctions between read and unread messages be lost? What should I do to minimize the risk of loss of messages? Do I need to disable my firewall and anti-virus when installing the upgrade? Finally, one of the great assets of The Bat is that it has a small footprint and works very fast, much faster than the bloated program with which I am stuck using at the office. Will I experience a drastic reduction in speed, particularly with respect to message downloading, if I upgrade to the current version, given the greater functionality of the current version? -- Avram Sacks Chicago Using The Bat ver. 1.62r on Windows XP Professional, sp2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
