Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Kevin Coates writes: Most of us spend a fair amount of money on our hardware and Internet access. Buying a decent AV package should be part of the process. Yes, you can do it for free, but is it worth the risk? If you don't open attachments, have a firewall, and don't run active content on

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 03-Apr-2005 at 10:13 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote: If you don't open attachments, have a firewall, and don't run active content on your browser, you won't be infected by viruses and the like, with or without antivirus software. Nonsense. --

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Allister Jenks everyone else, on 03-Apr-2005 at 03:29 you (Allister Jenks) wrote: I think there is also considerable risk in placing any weight behind payware being of better quality because you have to pay for it. I never meant to say that. I realise you said the first two factors

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Jernej Simoncic
On Sunday, April 3, 2005, 0:57:11, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: My intention was only to state a bold be aware when talking about free-of-cost antivirus programs. since in that context, I found no free software that serves the purpose well enough; and another be aware seeing how easily people

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Alexander S. Kunz writes: Nonsense. It has worked flawlessly for me for many years. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 03-Apr-2005 at 11:16 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote: Nonsense. It has worked flawlessly for me for many years. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone else. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Until the

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Jeff Gaines everyone else, on 01-Apr-2005 at 12:05 you (Jeff Gaines) wrote: Has anybody any recommendations for an effective A/V product that will work unobtrusively in the background and check my incoming email? Very interesting comparisons can be found on the comparative section of

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 03-Apr-2005 at 10:13 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote: If you don't open attachments, have a firewall, and don't run active content on your browser, you won't be infected by viruses and the like, with or without antivirus software. Sidenote,

Re: Changes to the TB Lists

2005-04-03 Thread Mic Cullen
At 10:21 [GMT+0200] on Saturday April 2 (actual time - 4:21pm on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: But hang on - is not the limit of April Fools midday on the day in question? Mica April Fools day is like a wave. It starts at zero point, in Greenwich, No, It starts in the

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Alexander S. Kunz writes: That doesn't mean it will work for everyone else. They do have to be diligent, yes. But antivirus software doesn't work for everyone, either, and it can cause lots of problems, as well as inducing a false sense of security. -- Anthony

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Mica Mijatovic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 3 Apr 2005, @ @ at 12:28:06 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Hello Jeff Gaines everyone else, on 01-Apr-2005 at 12:05 you (Jeff Gaines) wrote: Has anybody any

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Mica Mijatovic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 3 Apr 2005, @ @ at 11:39:02 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 03-Apr-2005 at 11:16 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote:

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Mica Mijatovic everyone else, on 03-Apr-2005 at 14:43 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote: Let's be a bit more...reasonable Whatever you say Mica, it will be right for sure. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Violence breeds more violence, and it is

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Kevin Coates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alexander, On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:25:53 +0200 (2:25 PM here), Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK A good virus scanner is only one part of a complete security ASK strategy, and you named a couple of very good additional

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Jernej Simoncic everyone else, on 03-Apr-2005 at 11:05 you (Jernej Simoncic) wrote: My experience: during the two latest worm outbreaks (Bagle.AZ and something else), AVG Free detected the virus several hours before Trend Micro, NAV and Panda have. Here's a chart of reaction times for

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi Rich, On Sunday, April 03, 2005, at 9:25:09 AM PST, you wrote: NOW, A QUESTION: Is anyone here running more than one A/V product on their PCs? It has always been a no-no to do this but the threats out there and the coverage any one product may be able to protect against almost seem to

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Melissa Reese writes: The one thing that's getting very little mention here is the concept of careful practices above and beyond any particular choice of AV/AT and other types of protective software. I've mentioned it. Antivirus products, generally speaking, are inferior substitutes for safe

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 03-Apr-2005 at 22:38 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote: If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser to disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports that are a potential security risk (you can essentially block _all_

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Alexander S. Kunz writes: You really believe this, do you? Yes. As I've said, it has worked for me for many years. Ever heard of the average Joe User? Yes. So? -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi Alexander, On Sunday, April 03, 2005, at 1:47:23 PM PST, you wrote: If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser to disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports that are a potential security risk (you can essentially block _all_ ports on a PC that is used

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi, On Sunday, April 03, 2005, at 2:16:42 PM PST, I wrote: While *never opening any attachments* will indeed keep one relatively safer than if one were to *never* open any attachment, Oops! That didn't turn out as intended. I should have written something like... While *never opening any

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:47:23 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser to disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports that are a potential security risk (you can essentially block _all_ ports on a PC that is used only as a

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Mica Mijatovic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'll chop just tiny bit of this message in this moment, since I am pretty asleep, will have to plunge into my bed, and to dream something nice, by chance, if it turned to be a dreaming night, which sometimes happens, and sometimes not, almost.

Re[2]: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Paul Berger
...snip AJ Let me see.the three pieces of software that have most often caused AJ me stife are: ...snip AJ 2. The Bat! (still my grouping does not work.) ...snip Have you asked the List about grouping? The list has helped me over the years. -- Paul

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Melissa Reese writes: ...I have mixed feelings if a small caveat is not appended. While *never opening any attachments* will indeed keep one relatively safer than if one were to *never* open any attachment, if the admonition to not open *any* attachment is taken too literally, the usefulness

Re: Anti Virus S/W

2005-04-03 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
rich gregory writes: Some of the users I support tend to not want, care or be able to understand anything remotely like best practices. They include several stages of youth and the elderly. Some are quite arrogant and purposefully flaunt bad habits without regard to the dangers. Then they