Re: ASMTP?
Peter Ouwehand I tend to think I got your post, which was approx 28KB in size. + My apologies to the list. I meant to sent the whole thread just to Jack and a short solution to the list, but it got away from me before I'd deleted the list address inserted by Reply All. When my short post didn't show up in the mailbox three hours later, I noticed the list address on Jack's and contacted the moderators to see if I could head it off and kill it. Three hours after that, the big post showed up on list. I don't know where it had been meanwhile. It's been a long time since I posted a private message to a list, but it still stings. Peter Ouwehand Do these Use specific settings differ from your POP3 settings? If so, your ISP should have informed you. If not, I would expect using Use settings of Mail Retrieval or Use POP before SMTP authentication should have fixed access to SMTP. + The specific settings are the same as the POP settings. I tried both Use settings of Mail Retrieval (Earthlink's suggestion, after I got snarky) and Use 'POP before SMTP' authentication when I was experimenting; both blocked the mail. This is the only configuration that allowed me to both send and download my mail. Jack Morrison Yep, that's basically it, and thank you again! + You're welcome. May I assume my conversation with Earthlink was similar to yours? It's a script. -- Cheers, Deborah [EMAIL PROTECTED] version 2.00.6 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ASMTP?
Hallo Jack, On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:24:45 -0500GMT (24-9-2004, 17:24 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM And I think it's equally ludicrous when someone takes a cheap shot at my JM country, Mic. Actually, when I wrote my message, I didn't know in what country you were living. But since I publicly insulted you, I hereby publicly apologize. It wasn't my intention to hurt your feelings and I'm sorry to have done so. Since this concerns private matters, I'd prefer any follow-ups to be sent via PM. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.18 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgp2A0WJbjuT3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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At 19:21 [GMT-0500] on Thursday September 23 (actual time - 8:21am on Friday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: [snips] Jack Lighten up a little, Roelof. Physician, heal thyself, indeed... Jack Worry about your own health, Mic. Jack I'll worry about mine. Given the ludicrous comment addressed to our esteemed new moderator, it was either the above, or 'pot, kettle, black', but I figured the latter was harsh on Roelof... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Birds do not sleep in their nests, although they may rest in them from time to time. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jack, Thursday, September 23, 2004, 5:02:48 PM, you wrote: J If you had just sent the solution, without *all* that background J information, it probably would have passed muster. Anyone want to post that solution to the TBUDP Wiki page? Put it on this one: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Using+TB+with+Earthlink -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Better living through denial. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Dear Roelof, On 23:22 23.09.2004, you [Roelof Otten] wrote... You didn't make a typo? Because its dns resolves to eight ip-addresses and when I start a telnet session there is something that apparently doesn't like me, because the session is reset immediately, but I guess that might be because I'm from outside of their network. Using smtpauth.earthlink.net should really work, they do support AUTH (ASMTP): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ telnet smtpauth.earthlink.net 25 Trying 209.86.89.201... Connected to smtpauth100.earthlink.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220-smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net ESMTP Exim 4.34 #4 Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:36:43 -0400 220-NO UCE. EarthLink does not authorize the use of its computers or network 220 equipment to accept, transmit, or distribute unsolicited e-mail. ehlo pp 250-smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net Hello hera.geschkult.fu-berlin.de [160.45.213.11] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-PIPELINING 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250-STARTTLS 250 HELP quit 221 smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. If it doesn't work from The Bat!, please copy the errors from the account log... Thanks! HTH! Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mein Gewissen ist rein... ich hab' es nie benutzt Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jack, Friday, September 24, 2004, 9:27:29 AM, you wrote: J Does one need to be authorized, or something before one can post J to the wiki? Yes... You do have to register to be able to edit. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: I xeroxed a mirror. Now I have an extra Xerox machine. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jack, Friday, September 24, 2004, 3:49:09 PM, you wrote: J Leif, I registered and then posted the fix to your wiki, although J I'm not certain that I posted it in the right place, etc. I didn't J have a lot of time to read through all the procedures, etc., but I J hope to return to it soon and learn more about it. You might want J to take a look at what I posted under Configuration (Using TB J with Earthlink) and edit it accordingly. Thanks for taking the time to do it! I'll look at it later... Right now it's time to go home and play with the baby's momma! :grin: J BTW, I think your wiki is a great idea. Wasn't mine.. Graham Fosters... But we appreciate the feedback. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Shh! I'm cleverly disguised as a responsible adult. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jack, Thursday, September 23, 2004, 12:20:43 PM, you wrote: J Does The Bat! support Earthlink's Authenticated SMTP, whatever J that is? Just based on what you listed in the e-mail it looks like they're only requesting that you authenticate with your POP settings to your SMTP server. Check Account - Properties - Transport - Click the Authentication button next to SMTP Server - Check the box Perform SMTP authentication, then select the option to use the same settings as mail retrieval. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Supercalanarcolepticextrahalitosis Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Jack, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:20:43 -0500GMT (23-9-2004, 20:20 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM Server address: smtpauth.earthlink.net JM Account ID or Username: your EarthLink email address JM Password: your EarthLink password JM Is there any reason why The Bat! can't handle this? No, TB can handle it just fine. Account - Properties - Transport - Send Mail - Authentication - Check 'Perform SMTP Authentication' Select 'Use specific settings' and enter them JM Earthlink informs me that they don't support The Bat! (which they've JM been doing for years now), and if I can no longer JM use The Bat!, I need to start looking for a new provider... Just another clueless ISP -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.16 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpxWjHUaS2we.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Jack, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:06:33 -0500GMT (23-9-2004, 23:06 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Just another clueless ISP JM Well, the guy that was trying to help me via chat was certainly pretty clueless, JM and all he did was basically keep repeating that we don't support The Bat!, over JM and over again. g JM I made the changes you advised, but whenever I also change the name of the JM server, precisely the way they requested me to (from mail.earthlink.net to JM smtpauth.earthlink.net), I can't send a message. You didn't make a typo? Because its dns resolves to eight ip-addresses and when I start a telnet session there is something that apparently doesn't like me, because the session is reset immediately, but I guess that might be because I'm from outside of their network. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.16 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpiUXQKoR9Ae.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hey, Jack, Thursday, September 23, 2004, 2:20:43 PM, you wrote +++ I just received this message from my provider: To use EarthLink's Authenticated SMTP (ASMTP) server to send email from your EarthLink email address, you need to make a one-time change to the settings in your email program. Your settings should be changed to: Server address: smtpauth.earthlink.net Account ID or Username: your EarthLink email address Password: your EarthLink password Is there any reason why The Bat! can't handle this? Does The Bat! support Earthlink's Authenticated SMTP, whatever that is? Earthlink informs me that they don't support The Bat! (which they've been doing for years now), and if I can no longer use The Bat!, I need to start looking for a new provider... +++ I started a thread a couple of days ago on exactly this problem. I'm glad it wasn't just me. Just below my signature is what worked for me, with the whole thread appended FYI. Please join me on the list in encouraging Ritlabs to contact Earthlink. I can also send you screenshots as JPGs; they're about 125 KB each. You will need to change the account properties in *each* account. You will also need to look up your complete mail settings at Earthlink.net. Mine are in my initial thread e-mail, but my Earthlink domain is Mindspring. Cheers, Deborah SOLUTION =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From:Deborah Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thursday, September 23, 2004, 2:11:58 PM Subject: Help! Connection Centre--can't send or receive mail Paul Cartwright I had an earthlink account a while back, and TB worked for me, no problem. + Right. It worked perfectly until Earthlink changed their mail settings on 1 September. The problem is that since they don't support TB and since the logical substitutions of new settings for old didn't work, they wouldn't help me. Paul Cartwright ... did you try using the web interface, did it work? have you tried using another email program ... to see if you get the same results? Tim If you suspect Earthlink is the problem, why not install something they do support. + I tried my backup, Eudora. I don't use Microsoft e-mail clients on principle. Eudora didn't work because I have 3.0. What Earthlink didn't, wouldn't, couldn't tell me--because the help desk folks follow a script and don't, won't, can't think outside the box--is that the new settings have extra authorization requirements. I knew TB could handle this and I reviewed the settings with Rhoda (not her real name), and Max (ditto), who kept repeating the script: Sorry, we don't support ... The Bat? Can you spell that please? No, I don't know what RFC 2554 means. Sorry, we don't support ... The Bat? Can you spell that please? They suggested that I start using Outlook. But I don't use Microsoft e-mail clients on principle. We had a double circular discussion going. After experimenting with the mail settings, I am now able to download as well as send. This seemed to happen spontaneously; I've no idea how. Here are the settings that work: Account Properties Send mail SMTP Server smtpauth.earthlink.net Connection Regular Port25 Authentication _x_ Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554) ___ Use settings of Mail Retrieval _x_ Use specific settings (greyed out: Store password on the token) User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Password ** ___ Require secure (MD5) authentication ___ Use POP before SMTP authentication Receive mail Mail Server pop.mindspring.com Userusername Password** Connection Regular ProtocolPOP3 Port110 Authentication _x_ Regular ___ MSN (NTLM) ___ MD5 APOP Challenge/Response (RFC-1734) ___ MD-5 CRAM-HMAC Challenge/Response (RFC-2095) (token MD-5 CRAM-HMAC Challenge/Response greyed out) ___ Do not store password, prompt on mail retrieval Hope this is helpful to someone else. Earthlink domain mail settings (mine is Mindspring) can be looked up on their site. I still think Ritlabs needs to contact Earthlink et al. and educate them. Cheers, and thanks for all the advice. Deborah -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] running The Bat v 2.00.6 WHOLE THREAD =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From:Deborah Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 4:01:17 PM Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:01:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Help! Connection Centre--can't send or receive mail HELP, please. I can't send or receive mail. I have version 2.00.6l. I've sent this via the Web and will have to deal with replies there, too, or by phone. I can't be
Re: ASMTP?
Jack, I posted the solution a three hours ago, but I haven't seen it on the list yet. Your ASMTP thread is a duplicate of my thread, Help! Connection Centre--can't send or receive mail. I also sent you that thread, privately, but apparently no one got it. Here's a short version of what I sent you: + I started a thread a couple of days ago on exactly this problem. I'm glad it wasn't just me. Just below my signature is what worked for me, with the whole thread appended FYI. Please join me on the list in encouraging Ritlabs to contact Earthlink. I can also send you screenshots as JPGs; they're about 125 KB each. You will need to change the account properties in *each* account. You will also need to look up your complete mail settings at Earthlink.net. Mine are in my initial thread e-mail, but my Earthlink domain is Mindspring. + And here's the missing concluding post from my thread: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From:Deborah Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thursday, September 23, 2004, 2:11:58 PM Subject: Help! Connection Centre--can't send or receive mail Paul Cartwright I had an earthlink account a while back, and TB worked for me, no problem. + Right. It worked perfectly until Earthlink changed their mail settings on 1 September. The problem is that since they don't support TB and since the logical substitutions of new settings for old didn't work, they wouldn't help me. Paul Cartwright ... did you try using the web interface, did it work? have you tried using another email program ... to see if you get the same results? Tim If you suspect Earthlink is the problem, why not install something they do support. + I tried my backup, Eudora. I don't use Microsoft e-mail clients on principle. Eudora didn't work because I have 3.0. What Earthlink didn't, wouldn't, couldn't tell me--because the help desk folks follow a script and don't, won't, can't think outside the box--is that the new settings have extra authorization requirements. I knew TB could handle this and I reviewed the settings with Rhoda (not her real name), and Max (ditto), who kept repeating the script: Sorry, we don't support ... The Bat? Can you spell that please? No, I don't know what RFC 2554 means. Sorry, we don't support ... The Bat? Can you spell that please? They suggested that I start using Outlook. But I don't use Microsoft e-mail clients on principle. We had a double circular discussion going. After experimenting with the mail settings, I am now able to download as well as send. This seemed to happen spontaneously; I've no idea how. Here are the settings that work: Account Properties Send mail SMTP Server smtpauth.earthlink.net Connection Regular Port25 Authentication _x_ Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554) ___ Use settings of Mail Retrieval _x_ Use specific settings (greyed out: Store password on the token) User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Password ** ___ Require secure (MD5) authentication ___ Use POP before SMTP authentication Receive mail Mail Server pop.mindspring.com Userusername Password** Connection Regular ProtocolPOP3 Port110 Authentication _x_ Regular ___ MSN (NTLM) ___ MD5 APOP Challenge/Response (RFC-1734) ___ MD-5 CRAM-HMAC Challenge/Response (RFC-2095) (token MD-5 CRAM-HMAC Challenge/Response greyed out) ___ Do not store password, prompt on mail retrieval Hope this is helpful to someone else. Earthlink domain mail settings (mine is Mindspring) can be looked up on their site. I still think Ritlabs needs to contact Earthlink et al. and educate them. Cheers, and thanks for all the advice. Deborah -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] running The Bat v 2.00.6 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- Cheers, Deborah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ASMTP?
Hallo Jack, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:01:10 -0500GMT (23-9-2004, 23:01 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM Received: from sdn-ap-007neomahp0326.dialsprint.net ([63.189.1.72] JM helo=localhost) JM by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) JM So, I still don't know what to do, but I'm thinking of grabbing a JM rifle and climbing a tower... I guess it's the country you live in. Your ISP calls their mail server snipe and you're suggesting to do it. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.16 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgp3g1eQmLTGN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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At 18:34 [GMT-0500] on Thursday September 23 (actual time - 7:34am on Friday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: [snips] JM So, I still don't know what to do, but I'm thinking of grabbing a JM rifle and climbing a tower... I guess it's the country you live in. Jack Hopefully that wasn't a shot at my country, Roelef? Your ISP calls their mail server snipe and you're suggesting to do it. ;-) Jack No, I'm just releasing a little frustration VERBALLY. Jack Better that than up on a tower somewhere, right? Jack Lighten up a little, Roelof. Physician, heal thyself, indeed... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) When a winner makes a mistake, he says...'I was wrong.' When a loser makes a mistake, he says... 'It wasn't my fault.' Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
