Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
Hi Kari, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, at 03:41:10 +0100 you wrote: KJ I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to KJ delete the HTML attachement as usual. (Right-click on HTML KJ icon - Delete) *But* nothing happens! KJ [...] KJ I'm just curious to know if this happened to someone before. Confirmed. The same thing happened here some time ago, but I didn't think about it too much, as it didn't happen again. I checked that eMail for a plain text part and it was there. I tried exporting and stripping out the HTML part manually, which resulted in an empty message. I think The Bat! just *didn't see* the plain text part. In the end I simply deleted the eMail. -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.49 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=GetPublicKey | -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kari, On 07 January 2001 at 04:28:39 +0100 (which was 03:28 where I live) Kari Jakobi wrote and made these points: KJ I just rechecked this. It appears to me there is a plain text version, KJ see the header: KJ Begin un-deleteable HTML part of message Received: from mailer4.agnitas.de by mx02.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.2.1.4 #21) id m14F3pk-007XkeA; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:37 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BestBuy - Der Shopping-Service exklusiv fuer AddCom-Kunden. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="-==AGNITASOUTER164240059B2900064F==" X-Mailer: Agnitas AG EM3 KJ End un-deleteable HTML part of message If this is how the HTML part of the message begins then that implies that the HTML part is the primary part (main body) while the text version is the attachment to it. The HTML is, therefore, not actually an attachment. You can't expect to be able to delete the body of a message but leave the attachment in place. Does that make more sense? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOlhESDnkJKuSnc2gEQIojQCfRsYrQ7W2FZ59yZW8pPm/MSPJNuYAoIxL ulND1VR9I8STF9WEWg+t9lOa =Dx9p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Andrey, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, 09:00:22 h [GMT +0300] (which was 07:00 h [GMT +0100] where I live) you wrote: AGSAA Could you please export this message to an .msg file, discard AGSAA any personal data (if any) and send it to me privately for AGSAA analysis? Message is on it's way! Please let us know what you found out. Good luck. - -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi The Bat! 1.49 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST PGP-KEY ID: 0x388CEBFF -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? iQA/AwUBOlhGcAdigFw4jOv/EQIa/QCfS9a6tzhVOPShbT0JE5M7OdI9WVgAoM2f Z+3d6f7gd81LY/aoakLBamQ/ =GOW1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, 10:26:16 h [GMT +] (which was 11:26 h [GMT +0100] where I live) you wrote: snip MDP If this is how the HTML part of the message begins then that MDP implies that the HTML part is the primary part (main body) while MDP the text version is the attachment to it. The HTML is, therefore, MDP not actually an attachment. Very interesting. MDP You can't expect to be able to delete the body of a message but MDP leave the attachment in place. Does that make more sense? May I add a "Oops" here? Yes it does make more sense to me. I haven't even imagined this. Is this behaviour going along with the RFC standards? I don't think so... - -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi The Bat! 1.49 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST PGP-KEY ID: 0x388CEBFF -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? iQA/AwUBOlhJfgdigFw4jOv/EQKO1gCgl4ArBcye/Zdo84HDzbmd3ghw500An2zT gNQ3nWC9I3HIw708N7qrQVW3 =eGJ4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why to delete HTML attachments (Was: Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...)
Hello Januk Aggarwal, On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 at 22:05:28 GMT -0800(which was 1/7/2001 1:05 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : KJ I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the KJ HTML attachement as usual. ^ (Besides of the original problem) May I ask you a stupid question - why? :-). As for me, it seems to be useless to alter incoming messages in any way in most cases... JA I have correspondents who send me HTML mail with Outlook. Their JA sigs have these fancy fonts, but otherwise there is no need for JA HTML. I delete the HTML portion to reduce the wasted space on my JA HD. I can do this because Outlook generates both the HTML version JA and a plain text version in each message. It looks like Kari's JA correspondent sends HTML only. I run mailserver utility to remove HTML part of *all* messages address to my domain, and I notice I got 99% working well ( most of message on HTML format also having plaintext part). Unfortunetely this utility make this List slow if I utilize for this busy list :-( -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Sunday, January 07, 2001, 11:14:16 PM GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
Hallo Januk, On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:57:10 -0800 GMT (07/01/2001, 10:57 +0800 GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the HTML attachement as usual. (Right-click on HTML icon - Delete) *But* nothing happens! JA This message probably does not have a Text version. TB will display a JA plain text version, but TB creates this version. Weren't we told that, if we hit Reply on such a message, the text version that TB creates is used? In such a case, if you try to delete the HTML attachment, wouldn't it make sense to store the text version that TB creates? I, for one, would like that. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. -I want to live forever or die in the attempt. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
Hello Thomas, On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 at 01:25:29 GMT +0800 (which was 9:25 AM where I live) witnesses say Thomas Fernandez typed: JA This message probably does not have a Text version. TB will display a JA plain text version, but TB creates this version. Weren't we told that, if we hit Reply on such a message, the text version that TB creates is used? If I remember correctly, yes. In such a case, if you try to delete the HTML attachment, wouldn't it make sense to store the text version that TB creates? I, for one, would like that. ;-) In some cases it might not cause problems, but the text version that TB creates is not always a good (enough) representation of the HTML version. This is in the same vein as editing an incoming message. The current TB implementation does not allow easy editing of incoming messages, why should this case be different? Remember, you do have the option of exporting the message, use some utility to remove the HTML, and import back the edited message. Obviously this isn't exactly what you wanted, but it's more true to form for now. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
Hi Januk, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:05:31 -0800GMT (08/01/2001, 05:05 +0800GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA In some cases it might not cause problems, but the text version that JA TB creates is not always a good (enough) representation of the HTML JA version. Let me be the judge of that, rather than TB. ;-) JA This is in the same vein as editing an incoming message. The JA current TB implementation does not allow easy editing of incoming JA messages, why should this case be different? Yes, it is a poltical decision. As other mailers do allow editing of inmcoming messages, and actually, you *can* do it with export/re-import, I don't think this political decision should persist. I do know that changing policies would mean additional coding for the developers, though, and this this is the major reason for not allowing editing of incoming messages. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Kari, Saturday, January 06, 2001, 9:41:10 PM, you wrote: KJ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KJ Hash: SHA1 KJ Hello fellow listmembers, KJ I have one weird bug for you: KJ I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the KJ HTML attachement as usual. (Right-click on HTML icon - Delete) KJ *But* nothing happens! KJ I checked against some other messages in HTML - no problem to delete KJ it. Just this one message is behaving that way... KJ I'm just curious to know if this happened to someone before. I just tried to delete the html attachment in several e-mails, one would let me select delete and ask if it was ok to delete but nothing happened. The other two the delete selection on the drop down menu was grayed out. Is this normal? - -- Best regards, Johnmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98410 Build A on an Athlon 650 with 192MB. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.58 iQA/AwUBOlfbctvO65qcS8wJEQKyUQCguTEUDOgbALH6XRsnIHNKbiKPmBgAoL9E G3+aCJYqkzlXmeyIwkFnmQAV =ok6S -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
Hello Kari, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 at 03:41:10 GMT +0100 (which was 6:41 PM where I live) witnesses say Kari Jakobi typed: I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the HTML attachement as usual. (Right-click on HTML icon - Delete) *But* nothing happens! This message probably does not have a Text version. TB will display a plain text version, but TB creates this version. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Januk, On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, 18:57:10 h [GMT -0800] (which was 03:57 h [GMT +0100] where I live) you wrote: I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the HTML attachement as usual. (Right-click on HTML icon - Delete) *But* nothing happens! JA This message probably does not have a Text version. TB will JA display a plain text version, but TB creates this version. I just rechecked this. It appears to me there is a plain text version, see the header: Begin un-deleteable HTML part of message Received: from mailer4.agnitas.de by mx02.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.2.1.4 #21) id m14F3pk-007XkeA; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:37 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BestBuy - Der Shopping-Service exklusiv fuer AddCom-Kunden. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="-==AGNITASOUTER164240059B2900064F==" X-Mailer: Agnitas AG EM3 End un-deleteable HTML part of message - -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi The Bat! 1.49 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST PGP-KEY ID: 0x388CEBFF -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? iQA/AwUBOlfiZQdigFw4jOv/EQL4/wCg3goDQrMhBi+fUbcZQjEcfD6lK4AAnigu 3mdwwnB+6NlOVzdDBUSsQJHg =W54E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello John, On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, 22:46:53 h [GMT -0500] (which was 04:46 h [GMT +0100] where I live) you wrote: JS Then if the ones that are not grayed out have a text version then JS why won't the attachment delete. It seems that if it can be JS selected that it should delete. I don't mean to drag this out as I JS did find an attachment of a different sort on another list that I JS subscribe and it deleted without any problem. Heck! What would I give if I knew an answer. It's like rolling the dice - one get's deleted, the next one not, the next get's deleted... I *know* that I have deleted the HTML part of messages of that sender in the past... rgh! - -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi The Bat! 1.49 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST PGP-KEY ID: 0x388CEBFF -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? iQA/AwUBOlfyKQdigFw4jOv/EQLUPwCbBYxUNmQ6FcevJNQy0D5KmBQmdrAAn0Dt cmEvO8NiiLVG4j9WT46HCphs =e5Qq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Why to delete HTML attachments (Was: Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...)
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 5:41:10 AM, Kari Jakobi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KJ I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the KJ HTML attachement as usual. ^ (Besides of the original problem) May I ask you a stupid question - why? :-). As for me, it seems to be useless to alter incoming messages in any way in most cases... -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 6:28:39 AM, Kari Jakobi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the HTML attachement as usual. (Right-click on HTML icon - Delete) *But* nothing happens! JA This message probably does not have a Text version. TB will JA display a plain text version, but TB creates this version. KJ I just rechecked this. It appears to me there is a plain text version, KJ see the header: lost Could you please export this message to an .msg file, discard any personal data (if any) and send it to me privately for analysis? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why to delete HTML attachments (Was: Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...)
Hello Andrey, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 at 08:57:24 GMT +0300 (which was 9:57 PM where I live) witnesses say Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) typed: KJ I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the KJ HTML attachement as usual. ^ (Besides of the original problem) May I ask you a stupid question - why? :-). As for me, it seems to be useless to alter incoming messages in any way in most cases... I have correspondents who send me HTML mail with Outlook. Their sigs have these fancy fonts, but otherwise there is no need for HTML. I delete the HTML portion to reduce the wasted space on my HD. I can do this because Outlook generates both the HTML version and a plain text version in each message. It looks like Kari's correspondent sends HTML only. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
