ON Friday, June 28, 2002, 8:17:26 AM, you wrote:
JP Hello Ravi
JP You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 21:23:28 [GMT -0400] (11:23:28 Friday, 28 June
2002 where I live):-
Changed the x-mailer header to Becky! and sent it off lickety-boo! So
the x-mailer header is definitely throwing the
Hello Gerard,
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:02:08 +0200 GMT (28/06/02, 14:02 +0700 GMT),
Gerard wrote:
JP http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
G If that is the reason a simple change in the program from:
G X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal to X-Mailer: TB! (v1.60q) Personal
G would do the tricjk and prevent
Hi,
Ravi Joshi wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
1. When composing the original message in TB!!, in my cogeco.ca acct.
the message encoding is showing as Latin-1 (ISO 8859-1).
2. After I save the message as a *.msg file the encoding shows as None
My guess: ISO 8859-1 is your default
ON Friday, June 28, 2002, 9:59:21 AM, you wrote:
TF The people over at the ISP in question need to set up their software
TF correctly, that's all. A header called X-Mailer should not trigger
TF rejection as if it were a header called Attachments. Its not so
TF difficult, really...
Hi Thomas,
Hello Gerard,
On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 9:02:08 AM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):
Changed the x-mailer header to Becky! and sent it off lickety-boo! So
the x-mailer header is definitely throwing the server into a tiz.
JP and this is probably
ON Friday, June 28, 2002, 11:39:27 AM, you wrote:
PP It's not better a MTA-spftware does not filter on _HEADER_ fields in a mail
PP for deciding if a virus is trying to spread itself, no.
PP It's better every software around the world changes names and
PP identifications strings if a new virus
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks very much for your excellent explanation.
Maybe you might want to take a look http://www.ordb.org and do a
lookup on there, see if it's listed.
It checks out OK:
Queue status for outbox.attcanada.ca (207.245.244.41)
Last added to the queue by: 205.158.67.154
Last
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Hi Mike,
@27 June 2002, 01:43:15 -0500 (07:43 UK time) Mike Harlos in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Jonathan Angliss on
TBUDL:
... snip
I don't personally think it is a TB issue itself... more of an
issue with the ISP setup.
Hi,
Marck D Pearlstone wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to
flood with complaints?
Well, they seem to have other problems as well. Their web site is down
(www.cogeco.ca or www.cogeco.com).
Regards,
Markus
--
Using The Bat!
Hi,
Marck D Pearlstone wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to
flood with complaints?
Their web site (which is, as I mentioned before, currently down) mentions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (I'm posting this address since it is also
visible
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Hi Daniel,
@27 June 2002, 12:18:12 +0200 (11:18 UK time) Daniel van Rooijen
[CopyCats] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to
Marck D Pearlstone:
MDP That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to
MDP flood with
Hello Marck
You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 12:05:06 [GMT +0100] (21:05:06 Thursday, 27 June
2002 where I live):-
Anyone else wanting to complain can park a message in the outbox,
export it to a Unix MBX, remove the X-Mailer line in a text editor,
re-import it to the Outbox and finally
Hi Ravi,
O am not sure if this is what Roelof already did but you could try the
following.
-Make a sort email in TB! and address it to one of your other accounts.
-Save it as a draft.
-Go to the outbox, select the msg and save as (right click) MSG file.
- Open the file in Notepad and edit what
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Hi Markus,
@27 June 2002, 12:53:09 +0200 (11:53 UK time) Markus Gloede in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL:
That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to
flood with complaints?
Their web site (which
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Hi John,
@27 June 2002, 21:14:59 +1000 (12:14 UK time) John Phillips in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone:
Anyone else wanting to complain can park a message in the outbox,
export it to a Unix MBX, remove the
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, 12:14:59 PM, John Phillips wrote:
What logical reason would they have for their bouncing of mail withX-Mailer
Bat!?
I cannot think of many. One possibility is that they had a lot of
problems with spam from someone using TB (heaven forbid!), the TB was
the only
ON Thursday, June 27, 2002, 1:14:59 PM, you wrote:
JP Hello Marck
JP You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 12:05:06 [GMT +0100] (21:05:06 Thursday, 27
June 2002 where I live):-
Anyone else wanting to complain can park a message in the outbox,
export it to a Unix MBX, remove the X-Mailer
Hi Mike,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:43:15 -0500, you wrote:
Thanks very much for your excellent explanation.
You're welcome... hope I didn't lose you anywhere.
Maybe you might want to take a look http://www.ordb.org and do a
lookup on there, see if it's listed.
It checks out OK:
Queue
Hi Marck,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:05:06 +0100, you wrote:
If anyone wants to see what I wrote, I've posted it here:
http://www.silverstones.com/cocego.txt
Nice email. You do realise they'll probably read it in Outlook/Outlook Express,
and your nicely formatted tags will be all screwy ;)
I
Hi Julian,
JBL Perhaps it is accidental -
JBL the filter might look for an ! in the x-mailer: field. Or perhaps they are
JBL sponsored by MS!
If that were the case, then it would filter out e-mails from Becky 2
(X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.00.08) which it apparently doesn't.
I wonder if they
Hi,
Gerard wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the
X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed?
Even though I agree that this should be optional, our current findings
about this cable service/ISP should not be the
-Original Message-
From: Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:34:54 +0200
Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi,
Gerard wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the
X-mailer field
-Original Message-
From: Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:34:54 +0200
Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi,
Gerard wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the
X-mailer field
Hallo Gerard,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:12:08 +0200GMT (27-6-02, 13:12 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:
G O am not sure if this is what Roelof already did but you could try
G the following.
What you suggested, was not what I did, but it had the same effect.
I sent a message with TB, my
Hi,
Ravi Joshi wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
I have indicated I will send them the entire thread discussed on TBUDL!
So we'll see what they find.
Please do not do this or at least anonymize names and addresses or leave
them out.
Regards,
Markus
--
Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows
Hello Ravi Joshi,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:00:17 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 11:00:17 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Ravi Joshi wrote:
Hi DG,
Thank you for the suggestion, I'll give it a try. Unfortunately, I continue to be
unable to send mail from TB!
Not to worry...I will maintain individual privacy. You have my word on it.
Ravi
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From: Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:45:57 +0200
Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi,
Ravi Joshi wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Not to worry...I will maintain individual privacy. You have my word on it.
Ravi
-Original Message-
From: Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:45:57 +0200
Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi,
Ravi Joshi wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Hello Marck D Pearlstone,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:31:02 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, June 27, 2002, 4:31:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
See [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. That's definitive for
me. This ISP is deliberately rejecting
Hello Marck D Pearlstone,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:05:06 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, June 27, 2002, 6:05:06 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
Hi Daniel,
@27 June 2002, 12:18:12 +0200 (11:18 UK time) Daniel van Rooijen
[CopyCats] in [EMAIL
ON Thursday, June 27, 2002, 4:39:14 PM, you wrote:
RO What you suggested, was not what I did, but it had the same effect.
RO I sent a message with TB, my mailserver sent it and stored it in an
RO archive. The archived copy was edited and sent again by my server and
RO again and again.
RO That's
ON Thursday, June 27, 2002, 2:34:54 PM, you wrote:
In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the
X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed?
MG Even though I agree that this should be optional, our current findings
MG about this cable service/ISP should not
Hi,
Just a thought:-
Could they have excess filtering for spam/virus i.e. Bat gets picked up as
a .bat file
and hence content is rejected.
No sig
Current Ver: 1.60q
FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Unsubscribe:
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...
Could they have excess filtering for spam/virus i.e. Bat gets picked
up as a .bat file and hence content is rejected.
An interesting idea I guess. Would be an unusual method of filtering
to get viruses, unless they are explicitly
Hello Markus,
27. junij 2002, 16:45:57, you wrote:
MG Please do not do this or at least anonymize names and addresses or leave
MG them out.
What for? Aren't the archives public anyway?
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Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/
ICQ: 26266467
[The Bat! v1.60d on
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Jernej Simoni wrote...
MG Please do not do this or at least anonymize names and addresses or leave
MG them out.
What for? Aren't the archives public anyway?
Names are, emails aren't.
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Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Hello Jonathan,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:02:59 -0500 GMT (27/06/02, 23:02 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Angliss wrote:
JA An interesting idea I guess. Would be an unusual method of filtering
JA to get viruses, unless they are explicitly blocking .bat files.
JA Although it'd be a really bad filter for it
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Thomas F wrote...
JA An interesting idea I guess. Would be an unusual method of filtering
JA to get viruses, unless they are explicitly blocking .bat files.
JA Although it'd be a really bad filter for it to do that.
It less and less unusual. Many mail servers now
Hello Markus,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:34:54 +0200 GMT (27/06/02, 19:34 +0700 GMT),
Markus Gloede wrote:
In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the
X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed?
MG Even though I agree that this should be optional, our current
Hello tracer,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:03:37 +0700 GMT (27/06/02, 22:03 +0700 GMT),
tracer wrote:
I've sent a message there and to the postmaster at the same domain.
They accepted the message from me because I use SecureBat! and not The
Bat!
t Seems to mean that the 3 letters Bat arent the
Hello Marck,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:05:06 +0100 GMT (27/06/02, 18:05 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
MDP If anyone wants to see what I wrote, I've posted it here:
MDP http://www.silverstones.com/cocego.txt
I love the part about The millions of The Bat! users around the
world. :-)
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Hi Thomas,
@27 June 2002, 00:51:37 +0700 (18:51 UK time) Thomas F in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone
on TBUDL:
MDP If anyone wants to see what I wrote, I've posted it here:
MDP
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Ricardo M. Reyes wrote...
I once read on this list (or maybe in TBTECH) that TB! is considered
by some sys-admins as an Spam tool, mainly because of it's mass
mailing capabilities (I don't agree with them, so please don't attack
me! ;) )
What mass- mailing
Hello Ricardo,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:41:43 -0300 GMT (28/06/02, 02:41 +0700 GMT),
Ricardo M. Reyes wrote:
RMR There's even a path for TB! to avoid the presence of the x-mailer tag.
Where is that?
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Thomas.
Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.
Ever notice that PRICE
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Hi Jonathan,
@27 June 2002, 14:58:24 -0500 (20:58 UK time) Jonathan Angliss in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Ricardo
M. Reyes:
What mass- mailing capabilities?
See Quick Templates + Address book | Mass mailing.
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Cheers --
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...
Hi Jonathan,
What mass- mailing capabilities?
See Quick Templates + Address book | Mass mailing.
A... pretty nifty feature, I learn something new every day. But
not something that is impossible to do in Outlook with VBA, or even
Hello Ravi
You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 21:23:28 [GMT -0400] (11:23:28 Friday, 28 June 2002
where I live):-
Changed the x-mailer header to Becky! and sent it off lickety-boo! So
the x-mailer header is definitely throwing the server into a tiz.
and this is probably why:-
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Wednesday, June 26, 2002
9:08:49 AM
RE: Can Not Send Mail
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings Ravi,
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 6:10:27 PM, you wrote:
Ravi Please forgive me but I am unable to receive messages from the list
Ravi (apparently
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Wednesday, June 26, 2002
9:08:49 AM
RE: Can Not Send Mail
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings Ravi,
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 6:10:27 PM, you wrote:
Ravi Please forgive me but I am unable to receive messages
-0400
Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail
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Wednesday, June 26, 2002
9:08:49 AM
RE: Can Not Send Mail
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings Ravi,
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 6:10:27 PM, you wrote:
Ravi Please forgive me but I am unable to receive messages
Hello Ravi,
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 6:00:17 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):
Unfortunately, I continue to be unable to send mail from TB! from my cogeco.ca
account
Have you ever tried dropping a note to 'cogeco.ca' support, requesting what
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Ravi Joshi wrote...
1. TB! will not send messages from my cogeco.ca acct. Server
reply Error: Message content rejected.
I get this at home as well, but not with TB, and I know it's my fault.
I setup my mail server so securely I cannot send via it if I use the
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 7:56:52 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote:
12. When TBUDL tries to send messages to me they are apparently
bouncing. I have now set up through MRB (and am glad to be back!).
That truly sounds like a configuration error on their end. For
somebody else to get bounces as
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote...
Interestingly, I just tried again, with a message sent via TB, and
one sent via my ISP's webmail service (so avoiding the use of TB).
The message sent via TB bounced. The one sent via webmail has not
(yet). This would
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 8:17:59 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote:
I'd find it highly unusual for an ISP to block based on email
client... in fact highly stupid. Not saying impossible, but highly
unlikely.
I agree, so it will be interesting to see whether Ravi got the message
that
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote...
I agree, so it will be interesting to see whether Ravi got the message
that I did not send using TB. Messages are also bouncing when they are
sent from TBUDL - does this run using TB?
I think TBUDL is run on listar
ON Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 9:24:07 PM, you wrote:
JBL On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 8:17:59 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote:
I'd find it highly unusual for an ISP to block based on email
client... in fact highly stupid. Not saying impossible, but highly
unlikely.
JBL I agree, so
Hallo Ravi,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:46:27 -0400GMT (26-6-02, 20:46 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:
RJ Yes I checked with Cogeco.ca (a frustration in itself!!). Their
RJ servers are are functioning, they do not know what the message
RJ means, and they do not support any e-mail client other
Hi Jonathan,
JA I'd find it highly unusual for an ISP to block based on email
JA client... in fact highly stupid. Not saying impossible, but highly
JA unlikely.
I have that feeling that something in The Bat's headers may be what's
causing problems with this ISP. Here are the
Hello Gerard,
In Reference to your Posting on Wednesday, June 26 2002 at 01:18 PM PDT,
I had msg's bounce on me because the line length was to long. This can
happen because TB does not add hard returns when wrapping.
Ah... but she does add hard returns.
--
Nick Andriash
Courtenay, B.C.
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Roelof Otten wrote...
RJ Yes I checked with Cogeco.ca (a frustration in itself!!).
[snip]
Tried to send you a message with TB. This is my log:
[snip]
Well, I just tried to use telnet to send an email to Ravi, and it
posted fine.
[ja@vampire ja]# telnet
Hallo Jonathan,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:20:28 -0500GMT (26-6-02, 23:20 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:
RJ Yes I checked with Cogeco.ca (a frustration in itself!!).
Tried to send you a message with TB. This is my log:
JA Well, I just tried to use telnet to send an email to Ravi, and it
JA
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Roelof Otten wrote...
I have been sending the same message (same msg-id) over and over to
Ravi's cogeca account. Everytime deleting (a part of) a header. When I
deleted the complete x-mailer header the message got delivered.
Based on that information, then I'd
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 10:54:19 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:
I'm not sure about the reason behind this, but it surely looks like
somebody down there doesn't like The Bat!
That is outrageous! This also explains why messages from TBUDL were
bouncing, because most people posting are using TB
Hi Ravi,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 12:00:17 [GMT -0400] (which was 4:00 a.m. here
in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote:
RJ Unfortunately, I continue to be unable to send
RJ mail from TB!
Just a thought but I had problems with my ISP so loaded Postcast
Server 2 (free SMTP from your desk top) and
Hello Chris
You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 10:56:03 [GMT +1200] (08:56:03 Thursday, 27 June
2002 where I live):-
Just a thought but I had problems with my ISP so loaded Postcast
Server 2 (free SMTP from your desk top) and that fixed everything.
Here is the URL
Hi John,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 09:13:04 [GMT +1000] (which was 11:13 a.m.
here in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote:
JP Do you have to write outgoing messages in this software in order to get it to
JP work?
No TB just works as normal but outward mail goes via Postcast Server,
a small adjustment
Hi Mike,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:07:49 -0500, you wrote:
My colleague was told by her ISP that it was because they
blacklisted certain domains. Since I have my own domain
(harlos.net), I had a hard time understanding why I would be included
with the likes of Hotmail etc. I don't do any
Hello Jonathan,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:20:28 -0500 GMT (27/06/02, 04:20 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Angliss wrote:
JA 250 8BITMIME
Another idea: the rejected messages seemed to have been 7-bit encoded.
Maybe there is a clue?
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Cheers,
Thomas.
Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 3:54:06 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote:
Edit Message - Recipients Address
Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected.
[...]
The first time I tried to send this message to the list I received a
response I was not recognized as a member...so I had
Hello Ravi,
On Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 10:54 GMT -0400, Ravi Joshi [RJ] pressed
random keys until the following was produced:
Something very strange is happening I have not been receiving any
message from TBUDL since Friday and now, for no apparent reason, all
of a sudden I cannot send any
Hello Ravi Joshi,
In Reference to your Posting on Sunday, June 23 2002 at 03:10 PM PDT,
Still cannot send any mail from TB! but can do so with OE and Becky. I
have checked my Account settings, I have uninstalled and re-installed
twice and I have installed a backup version of 1.60q. Still
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 3:54:06 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote:
Edit Message - Recipients Address
Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected.
[I am sending this to the list and via PM]
Was all of this in the error message? Where was the error message?
In the TB Account
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 11:10:27 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote:
Still cannot send any mail from TB! but can do so with OE and Becky. I
have checked my Account settings, I have uninstalled and re-installed
twice and I have installed a backup version of 1.60q. Still nothing
works ; (.
Well, messages
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