Re: Can Not Send Mail
ON Friday, June 28, 2002, 8:17:26 AM, you wrote: JP Hello Ravi JP You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 21:23:28 [GMT -0400] (11:23:28 Friday, 28 June 2002 where I live):- Changed the x-mailer header to Becky! and sent it off lickety-boo! So the x-mailer header is definitely throwing the server into a tiz. JP and this is probably why:- JP http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If that is the reason a simple change in the program from: X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal to X-Mailer: TB! (v1.60q) Personal would do the tricjk and prevent further problems. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I feel that I am the only person who thinks it is odd that we can question our own existence. Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Gerard, On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:02:08 +0200 GMT (28/06/02, 14:02 +0700 GMT), Gerard wrote: JP http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] G If that is the reason a simple change in the program from: G X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal to X-Mailer: TB! (v1.60q) Personal G would do the tricjk and prevent further problems. The above is just one worm that gets distributed by Microsoft Virus Express users and is a batch file. I don't think this necessitates renaming the X-mailer in a perfectly good (and not virus-spreading) MUA. The people over at the ISP in question need to set up their software correctly, that's all. A header called X-Mailer should not trigger rejection as if it were a header called Attachments. Its not so difficult, really... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Reason for leaving last job: maturity leave. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi, Ravi Joshi wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : 1. When composing the original message in TB!!, in my cogeco.ca acct. the message encoding is showing as Latin-1 (ISO 8859-1). 2. After I save the message as a *.msg file the encoding shows as None My guess: ISO 8859-1 is your default encoding set, when the message gets saved the Bat notices that there are no 8 bit characters in it so none (plain ASCII) is just fine. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
ON Friday, June 28, 2002, 9:59:21 AM, you wrote: TF The people over at the ISP in question need to set up their software TF correctly, that's all. A header called X-Mailer should not trigger TF rejection as if it were a header called Attachments. Its not so TF difficult, really... Hi Thomas, I agree that it is not difficult, but I always prefer avoiding problems over educating The World even on non-difficult items. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Gerard, On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 9:02:08 AM you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part): Changed the x-mailer header to Becky! and sent it off lickety-boo! So the x-mailer header is definitely throwing the server into a tiz. JP and this is probably why:- JP http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] G If that is the reason a simple change in the program from: G X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal to X-Mailer: TB! (v1.60q) Personal G would do the tricjk and prevent further problems. Unless some AV company decides to name a virus/worm similar enough to 'TB'. Good solution, really. It's not better a MTA-spftware does not filter on _HEADER_ fields in a mail for deciding if a virus is trying to spread itself, no. It's better every software around the world changes names and identifications strings if a new virus comes out that's named similar to that application by ANY AV-software company. In fact a great idea, no doubt. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Why don't cats like to swim? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
ON Friday, June 28, 2002, 11:39:27 AM, you wrote: PP It's not better a MTA-spftware does not filter on _HEADER_ fields in a mail PP for deciding if a virus is trying to spread itself, no. PP It's better every software around the world changes names and PP identifications strings if a new virus comes out that's named similar to PP that application by ANY AV-software company. PP In fact a great idea, no doubt. Hi Peter, I only suggested it because obvious similarity with .bat files. If this was Becky I would not have suggested it. If this was Outlook I would but for marketing reasons ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making exciting discoveries. -- A. A. Milne Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Jonathan, Thanks very much for your excellent explanation. Maybe you might want to take a look http://www.ordb.org and do a lookup on there, see if it's listed. It checks out OK: Queue status for outbox.attcanada.ca (207.245.244.41) Last added to the queue by: 205.158.67.154 Last added to the queue at: 2002-05-04 04:30 CET The server explicitly rejected all probes, and has been deemed secure by the ORDB testing engine. I would have been surprised if an outfit as large as ATT had been rejected, but one never knows. I don't personally think it is a TB issue itself... more of an issue with the ISP setup. I have switched to sending emails to my colleague's university address... a solution that works, but doesn't fix the problem. I didn't feel as though the tech support individual had a vast depth of knowledge, although it was deeper than mine :-) They probably won't get a lot of complaints if it's restricted to TB! users. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! 1.60q under Windows 98 4.10 Build A = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mike Harlos Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada PGP Keys: DH/DSS- 0x8CD85BCERSA- 0xBBDB40B1 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mike, @27 June 2002, 01:43:15 -0500 (07:43 UK time) Mike Harlos in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Jonathan Angliss on TBUDL: ... snip I don't personally think it is a TB issue itself... more of an issue with the ISP setup. ... snip They probably won't get a lot of complaints if it's restricted to TB! users. See [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. That's definitive for me. This ISP is deliberately rejecting mail written by TB users and for no other reason than that the X-Mailer header says The Bat. That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to flood with complaints? Mind you, they won't get through! Not without removing the The Bat! X-Mailer header. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9GttYOeQkq5KdzaARAizxAJ4iUWMWcCUV8TS6Yt3uN0/ftUReowCgoZpn ASfVmhSqddwab4L8YeSPM7M= =Oaz/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to flood with complaints? Well, they seem to have other problems as well. Their web site is down (www.cogeco.ca or www.cogeco.com). Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to flood with complaints? Their web site (which is, as I mentioned before, currently down) mentions [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I'm posting this address since it is also visible on their Error Occurred While Processing Request page.) Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, @27 June 2002, 12:18:12 +0200 (11:18 UK time) Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone: MDP That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to MDP flood with complaints? Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've sent a message there and to the postmaster at the same domain. They accepted the message from me because I use SecureBat! and not The Bat! Anyone else wanting to complain can park a message in the outbox, export it to a Unix MBX, remove the X-Mailer line in a text editor, re-import it to the Outbox and finally let it fly. If anyone wants to see what I wrote, I've posted it here: http://www.silverstones.com/cocego.txt - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9GvFlOeQkq5KdzaARAnkrAJ9eKsKGU7YZGMrJa6cU9guVWLZykQCfQ2iA 8AJ4yMEKPviGubvYwaYPdFY= =okvi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Marck You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 12:05:06 [GMT +0100] (21:05:06 Thursday, 27 June 2002 where I live):- Anyone else wanting to complain can park a message in the outbox, export it to a Unix MBX, remove the X-Mailer line in a text editor, re-import it to the Outbox and finally let it fly. What logical reason would they have for their bouncing of mail withX-Mailer Bat!? -- Regards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Using Bat! 1.60q 7BE05C47 - Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram FROG,n. An amphibian with edible legs. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Ravi, O am not sure if this is what Roelof already did but you could try the following. -Make a sort email in TB! and address it to one of your other accounts. -Save it as a draft. -Go to the outbox, select the msg and save as (right click) MSG file. - Open the file in Notepad and edit what you think is the offending statement (X-Mailer?) - Save the file - Double click (if MSG files are associated with TB!) -File should appear in your inbox - Move to outbox and press sent. It sounds more difficult than it is and it will give you the possibility to have full control over the headers and see what the problem is, if indeed it is there. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Wear the old coat and buy the new book. - Austin Phelps - Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Markus, @27 June 2002, 12:53:09 +0200 (11:53 UK time) Markus Gloede in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to flood with complaints? Their web site (which is, as I mentioned before, currently down) mentions [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I'm posting this address since it is also visible on their Error Occurred While Processing Request page.) That address is currently down too. My SMTP server is struggling to get some kind of reply from their MX. (i.e., I just threw mhesler a copy g). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9GvSqOeQkq5KdzaARAtjNAJwLx++maGRcahWmPgzAtVQBkvP05gCePl2s FzaejpS3TE/26rSF9M0+vpI= =7Z9c -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, @27 June 2002, 21:14:59 +1000 (12:14 UK time) John Phillips in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone: Anyone else wanting to complain can park a message in the outbox, export it to a Unix MBX, remove the X-Mailer line in a text editor, re-import it to the Outbox and finally let it fly. What logical reason would they have for their bouncing of mail withX-Mailer Bat!? That's what I asked them! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9GvT2OeQkq5KdzaARAs2RAKCkklqzmgYWDJdR0Spe2m9FvHY7IACgphq5 9FVRsdalnq0cOlGdMYFzDo8= =eiUj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, 12:14:59 PM, John Phillips wrote: What logical reason would they have for their bouncing of mail withX-Mailer Bat!? I cannot think of many. One possibility is that they had a lot of problems with spam from someone using TB (heaven forbid!), the TB was the only consistent thing to filter on. Perhaps it is accidental - the filter might look for an ! in the x-mailer: field. Or perhaps they are sponsored by MS! Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
ON Thursday, June 27, 2002, 1:14:59 PM, you wrote: JP Hello Marck JP You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 12:05:06 [GMT +0100] (21:05:06 Thursday, 27 June 2002 where I live):- Anyone else wanting to complain can park a message in the outbox, export it to a Unix MBX, remove the X-Mailer line in a text editor, re-import it to the Outbox and finally let it fly. JP What logical reason would they have for their bouncing of mail withX-Mailer JP Bat!? In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= In heaven all the interesting people are missing. - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche - Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Mike, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:43:15 -0500, you wrote: Thanks very much for your excellent explanation. You're welcome... hope I didn't lose you anywhere. Maybe you might want to take a look http://www.ordb.org and do a lookup on there, see if it's listed. It checks out OK: Queue status for outbox.attcanada.ca (207.245.244.41) Last added to the queue by: 205.158.67.154 Last added to the queue at: 2002-05-04 04:30 CET The server explicitly rejected all probes, and has been deemed secure by the ORDB testing engine. I would have been surprised if an outfit as large as ATT had been rejected, but one never knows. I thought that too, but recently our mail scanner software that scans for viruses has a feature to read rbl (ordb and spamcop) reported Verizon/GTE as having an insecure mail server. When I investigated myself, I confirmed it. I was in touch with a friend at Verizon, and notified her, she passed the info onto her techs. I don't personally think it is a TB issue itself... more of an issue with the ISP setup. I have switched to sending emails to my colleague's university address... a solution that works, but doesn't fix the problem. I guess it is a way around until either we, or they find a resolution to the issue. I didn't feel as though the tech support individual had a vast depth of knowledge, although it was deeper than mine :-) Most of the time, ISP's tech supports are trained on the basic information, such as how to check to make sure the user is connected, how to test for bad lines etc, how to check configurations, how to check on certain server statuses. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Marck, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:05:06 +0100, you wrote: If anyone wants to see what I wrote, I've posted it here: http://www.silverstones.com/cocego.txt Nice email. You do realise they'll probably read it in Outlook/Outlook Express, and your nicely formatted tags will be all screwy ;) I still find that the action they have taken is remarkably unusual. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Julian, JBL Perhaps it is accidental - JBL the filter might look for an ! in the x-mailer: field. Or perhaps they are JBL sponsored by MS! If that were the case, then it would filter out e-mails from Becky 2 (X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.00.08) which it apparently doesn't. I wonder if they filter out messages from real spam tools like WorldCast? (He says checking something.) Later that morning The answer is probably they won't because WorldCast doesn't include an X-mailer header (like a good spam tool wouldn't)! -- Tom G. http://blarp.com -- Free tech support The Bat 1.60q - Windows 2000 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi, Gerard wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed? Even though I agree that this should be optional, our current findings about this cable service/ISP should not be the reason to hide what we are using with pride. No, we will not bend! Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Just spoke to Tech Support at Cogeco. They were already aware of a problem with TB! client, apparently other TB! users have been calling in with the same problem. They downloaded the TB! last night and carried out extensive testing. According to them, they have not found any problem. I revealed the results of Roelof's experiment and they were quite curious about the x-mailer issue. They have asked me to sent them this info for them to look into further. I have indicated I will send them the entire thread discussed on TBUDL! So we'll see what they find. Keep you posted, Ravi -Original Message- From: Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:34:54 +0200 Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail Hi, Gerard wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed? Even though I agree that this should be optional, our current findings about this cable service/ISP should not be the reason to hide what we are using with pride. No, we will not bend! Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Just spoke to Tech Support at Cogeco. They were already aware of a problem with TB! client, apparently other TB! users have been calling in with the same problem. They downloaded the TB! last night and carried out extensive testing. According to them, they have not found any problem. I revealed the results of Roelof's experiment and they were quite curious about the x-mailer issue. They have asked me to sent them this info for them to look into further. I have indicated I will send them the entire thread discussed on TBUDL! So we'll see what they find. Keep you posted, Ravi -Original Message- From: Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:34:54 +0200 Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail Hi, Gerard wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed? Even though I agree that this should be optional, our current findings about this cable service/ISP should not be the reason to hide what we are using with pride. No, we will not bend! Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hallo Gerard, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:12:08 +0200GMT (27-6-02, 13:12 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: G O am not sure if this is what Roelof already did but you could try G the following. What you suggested, was not what I did, but it had the same effect. I sent a message with TB, my mailserver sent it and stored it in an archive. The archived copy was edited and sent again by my server and again and again. That's why the msgid of all messages was the same (except for one, where I altered it for testing purposes). -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi, Ravi Joshi wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I have indicated I will send them the entire thread discussed on TBUDL! So we'll see what they find. Please do not do this or at least anonymize names and addresses or leave them out. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Ravi Joshi, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:00:17 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 11:00:17 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Ravi Joshi wrote: Hi DG, Thank you for the suggestion, I'll give it a try. Unfortunately, I continue to be unable to send mail from TB! from my cogeco.ca account (the same holds true for my wife's account), I can send and receive from myrealbox account. Everything works fine using Becky, OE or Foxmail...so I don't have a clue as to what is up with TB I'll be moving to a different ISP in a few weeks, so I'll see if this behaviour continues then. If I remember correctly you can send via the myrealbox smtp even if from account isnt myrealbox BUT you have to specify logon with password as for mail collection. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60m mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re: Can Not Send Mail
Not to worry...I will maintain individual privacy. You have my word on it. Ravi -Original Message- From: Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:45:57 +0200 Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail Hi, Ravi Joshi wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I have indicated I will send them the entire thread discussed on TBUDL! So we'll see what they find. Please do not do this or at least anonymize names and addresses or leave them out. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re: Can Not Send Mail
Not to worry...I will maintain individual privacy. You have my word on it. Ravi -Original Message- From: Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:45:57 +0200 Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail Hi, Ravi Joshi wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I have indicated I will send them the entire thread discussed on TBUDL! So we'll see what they find. Please do not do this or at least anonymize names and addresses or leave them out. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60n under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:31:02 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, June 27, 2002, 4:31:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: See [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. That's definitive for me. This ISP is deliberately rejecting mail written by TB users and for no other reason than that the X-Mailer header says The Bat. That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to flood with complaints? Mind you, they won't get through! Not without removing the The Bat! X-Mailer header. I assume that as with any bounced mail, the system admin gets a copy of all bounced mail... Do you think forwarding 15000 plus archived messages would do the trick? someone may wake up... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60m mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:05:06 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, June 27, 2002, 6:05:06 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Hi Daniel, @27 June 2002, 12:18:12 +0200 (11:18 UK time) Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone: MDP That's an outrage! Can we have the email address of someone there to MDP flood with complaints? Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've sent a message there and to the postmaster at the same domain. They accepted the message from me because I use SecureBat! and not The Bat! Seems to mean that the 3 letters Bat arent the trigger... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60m mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
ON Thursday, June 27, 2002, 4:39:14 PM, you wrote: RO What you suggested, was not what I did, but it had the same effect. RO I sent a message with TB, my mailserver sent it and stored it in an RO archive. The archived copy was edited and sent again by my server and RO again and again. RO That's why the msgid of all messages was the same (except for one, RO where I altered it for testing purposes). Hi Roelof, We don't all have email servers running ;-) But that's fine. I still find it very strange and hard to believe that I ISP would block on a X-mailer field. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rule a kingdom as though you were cooking a small fish - don't overdo it. - Lao Tzu - Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
ON Thursday, June 27, 2002, 2:34:54 PM, you wrote: In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed? MG Even though I agree that this should be optional, our current findings MG about this cable service/ISP should not be the reason to hide what we are MG using with pride. No, we will not bend! Hi Markus, I for one already sent a copy of the complaint msg to the ISP :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It is a man's obligation to stick his boneration in a woman's separation to ensure the propagation of the younger federation and the next generation. - Eric Cartman, South Park - Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi, Just a thought:- Could they have excess filtering for spam/virus i.e. Bat gets picked up as a .bat file and hence content is rejected. No sig Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... Could they have excess filtering for spam/virus i.e. Bat gets picked up as a .bat file and hence content is rejected. An interesting idea I guess. Would be an unusual method of filtering to get viruses, unless they are explicitly blocking .bat files. Although it'd be a really bad filter for it to do that. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Markus, 27. junij 2002, 16:45:57, you wrote: MG Please do not do this or at least anonymize names and addresses or leave MG them out. What for? Aren't the archives public anyway? -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.60d on Windows 2000 5.0.2195.Service Pack 2] One out of four people is mentally ill. Check three friends; If they're O.K. it must be you. -- Psychiatrist's At Home Test Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Jernej Simoni wrote... MG Please do not do this or at least anonymize names and addresses or leave MG them out. What for? Aren't the archives public anyway? Names are, emails aren't. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Jonathan, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:02:59 -0500 GMT (27/06/02, 23:02 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA An interesting idea I guess. Would be an unusual method of filtering JA to get viruses, unless they are explicitly blocking .bat files. JA Although it'd be a really bad filter for it to do that. It less and less unusual. Many mail servers now reject executable files, such as .bat, .reg, .exe etc. Remember I sent a registry key to this list earlier? My first attempt was to attach the file rot13.reg, which was rejected by our very own Worldless on the grounds that it was executable. MDaemon suggested that I zip the file, which I did, and it went through eventually. Having said that, yes, I can imagine that the X-Mailer header being interpreted as a .bat file attachment may be the problem here. I hope it's just a setting in their server software... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Thomas F wrote... JA An interesting idea I guess. Would be an unusual method of filtering JA to get viruses, unless they are explicitly blocking .bat files. JA Although it'd be a really bad filter for it to do that. It less and less unusual. Many mail servers now reject executable files, such as .bat, .reg, .exe etc. Remember I sent a registry key to this list earlier? My first attempt was to attach the file rot13.reg, which was rejected by our very own Worldless on the grounds that it was executable. MDaemon suggested that I zip the file, which I did, and it went through eventually. Hrm... then that is the most unusual method of doing mail filtering. Although I can see the point in it. But the thought of filtering on the word 'bat' which must be what they're doing if it is to be caught by this 'filter' would cause a large number of issues for anybody that talks about bats, or has anything in the email regarding bats. Having said that, yes, I can imagine that the X-Mailer header being interpreted as a .bat file attachment may be the problem here. I hope it's just a setting in their server software... Not unless they're filtering on the word 'bat' instead of '.bat'. In which case... the filter sucks, or is setup incorrectly, like not escaping the . -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Markus, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:34:54 +0200 GMT (27/06/02, 19:34 +0700 GMT), Markus Gloede wrote: In the light of these events, should we ask the developers to make the X-mailer field an option or one that can be changed? MG Even though I agree that this should be optional, our current findings MG about this cable service/ISP should not be the reason to hide what we are MG using with pride. No, we will not bend! ROTFL! I don't think this is a political issue, so tear down the burning barricades and do away with the molotov cocktails. ;-) I assume they are having a technical difficulty. Until they reply, we shouldn't assume they are bad. Reading was Ravi has said about their response, they are working on it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. IF THERE IS NO GOD, WHO POPS UP THE NEXT KLEENEX? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello tracer, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:03:37 +0700 GMT (27/06/02, 22:03 +0700 GMT), tracer wrote: I've sent a message there and to the postmaster at the same domain. They accepted the message from me because I use SecureBat! and not The Bat! t Seems to mean that the 3 letters Bat arent the trigger... Maybe not if preceded by another letter but only if preceded by a non-letter character. I am quite sure they are doing the testing now... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Durch einen Lichtstrahl drangen in der Nacht zum Freitag unbekannte Taeter in den Supermarkt ein. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Marck, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:05:06 +0100 GMT (27/06/02, 18:05 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP If anyone wants to see what I wrote, I've posted it here: MDP http://www.silverstones.com/cocego.txt I love the part about The millions of The Bat! users around the world. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It takes money to make money because you have to copy the design exactly. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, @27 June 2002, 00:51:37 +0700 (18:51 UK time) Thomas F in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL: MDP If anyone wants to see what I wrote, I've posted it here: MDP http://www.silverstones.com/cocego.txt I love the part about The millions of The Bat! users around the world. :-) Well, artistic license and all that g. There have been more than a million downloads of The Bat! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9G1YrOeQkq5KdzaARAn+wAKDFlvuQGg4luuqVLt/3Scm/NT5y3wCeIbkM fZDuQS1rWwqJ3xHs9HTnV/o= =u4To -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Ricardo M. Reyes wrote... I once read on this list (or maybe in TBTECH) that TB! is considered by some sys-admins as an Spam tool, mainly because of it's mass mailing capabilities (I don't agree with them, so please don't attack me! ;) ) What mass- mailing capabilities? You mean To, CC, BCC? That every client supports? Or the ability for TB! to handle mailing lists? If it's the first, then better block all mail clients, if it's the second, better start blocking majordomo, listar, mailman etc, as they are all mailing lists, and can easily be used to spam. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Ricardo, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:41:43 -0300 GMT (28/06/02, 02:41 +0700 GMT), Ricardo M. Reyes wrote: RMR There's even a path for TB! to avoid the presence of the x-mailer tag. Where is that? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ever notice that PRICE and WORTH mean the same thing, but priceless and worthless are opposites? -- Jay Trachman Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jonathan, @27 June 2002, 14:58:24 -0500 (20:58 UK time) Jonathan Angliss in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Ricardo M. Reyes: What mass- mailing capabilities? See Quick Templates + Address book | Mass mailing. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9G4XkOeQkq5KdzaARAjnOAJwLLsrVZpJ89QO9Xa1v485XVrvF7ACfYKpO 29+fjNMwCsHsDI/1UtkuFe4= =B9+T -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... Hi Jonathan, What mass- mailing capabilities? See Quick Templates + Address book | Mass mailing. A... pretty nifty feature, I learn something new every day. But not something that is impossible to do in Outlook with VBA, or even write in Delphi/C++/VB/etc. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Ravi You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 21:23:28 [GMT -0400] (11:23:28 Friday, 28 June 2002 where I live):- Changed the x-mailer header to Becky! and sent it off lickety-boo! So the x-mailer header is definitely throwing the server into a tiz. and this is probably why:- http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Using Bat! 1.60q 7BE05C47 - Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram I couldn't possibly fail to disagree with you less. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08:49 AM RE: Can Not Send Mail Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings Ravi, On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 6:10:27 PM, you wrote: Ravi Please forgive me but I am unable to receive messages from the list Ravi (apparently regardless of my email client) and as such cannot respond Ravi to those that responded to my earlier post. Unfortunately I am forced Ravi to have somewhat of a one way conversation. I have unsubscribed and Ravi re-subscribed to the TBUDL twice and am still not receiving any Ravi messages from it. I only see what appears in the archives Ravi Januk indicated: The more common problem was that most SMTP servers Ravi would reject mail being sent through them unless the FROM and/or REPLY-TO Ravi addresses matched yourISP address. So for example, if you had an account @softhome.net, Ravi then you couldn't send through their server with the address @canada.com. Although this subject has been asked and answered many times in The_Bat!'s lists you may want to try Mercury/32 (http://www.pmail.com/downloads_risc_t.htm) which is a freeware SMTP server. During install select to utilize the direct mailer option versus the relay server option. This will negate any ISP problems relaying mail at Mercury/32 will resolve the recipient's address and send the message(s) direct to the recipient's mail server. It is used here and has yet to fail me sending e-mail anywhere unless the recipient's e-mail address is invalid. Anyway ... Hope this helps. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. PGP Key http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2zxyn/pubring.pkr It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 iQA/AwUBPRm+kYltdOMeoDcuEQKsIwCeLT15A+76m4on2XI+7FMwsz0hOjQAnisX s5vQahfsVH+vZNvch08IWiCZ =e4w0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi DG, Thank you for the suggestion, I'll give it a try. Unfortunately, I continue to be unable to send mail from TB! for my cogeco.ca account (the same holds true for my wife's account), I can send and receive from myrealbox account. Everything works fine using Becky, OE or Foxmail...so I don't have a clue as to what is up with TB I'll be moving to a different ISP in a few weeks, so I'll see if this behaviour continues then. Thanks again! Ravi -Original Message- From: DG Raftery Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ravi Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:16:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08:49 AM RE: Can Not Send Mail Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings Ravi, On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 6:10:27 PM, you wrote: Ravi Please forgive me but I am unable to receive messages from the list Ravi (apparently regardless of my email client) and as such cannot respond Ravi to those that responded to my earlier post. Unfortunately I am forced Ravi to have somewhat of a one way conversation. I have unsubscribed and Ravi re-subscribed to the TBUDL twice and am still not receiving any Ravi messages from it. I only see what appears in the archives Ravi Januk indicated: The more common problem was that most SMTP servers Ravi would reject mail being sent through them unless the FROM and/or REPLY-TO Ravi addresses matched yourISP address. So for example, if you had an account @softhome.net, Ravi then you couldn't send through their server with the address @canada.com. Although this subject has been asked and answered many times in The_Bat!'s lists you may want to try Mercury/32 (http://www.pmail.com/downloads_risc_t.htm) which is a freeware SMTP server. During install select to utilize the direct mailer option versus the relay server option. This will negate any ISP problems relaying mail at Mercury/32 will resolve the recipient's address and send the message(s) direct to the recipient's mail server. It is used here and has yet to fail me sending e-mail anywhere unless the recipient's e-mail address is invalid. Anyway ... Hope this helps. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. PGP Key http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2zxyn/pubring.pkr It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 iQA/AwUBPRm+kYltdOMeoDcuEQKsIwCeLT15A+76m4on2XI+7FMwsz0hOjQAnisX s5vQahfsVH+vZNvch08IWiCZ =e4w0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi DG, Thank you for the suggestion, I'll give it a try. Unfortunately, I continue to be unable to send mail from TB! from my cogeco.ca account (the same holds true for my wife's account), I can send and receive from myrealbox account. Everything works fine using Becky, OE or Foxmail...so I don't have a clue as to what is up with TB I'll be moving to a different ISP in a few weeks, so I'll see if this behaviour continues then. Thanks again! Ravi -Original Message- From: DG Raftery Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ravi Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:16:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Can Not Send Mail -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08:49 AM RE: Can Not Send Mail Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings Ravi, On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 6:10:27 PM, you wrote: Ravi Please forgive me but I am unable to receive messages from the list Ravi (apparently regardless of my email client) and as such cannot respond Ravi to those that responded to my earlier post. Unfortunately I am forced Ravi to have somewhat of a one way conversation. I have unsubscribed and Ravi re-subscribed to the TBUDL twice and am still not receiving any Ravi messages from it. I only see what appears in the archives Ravi Januk indicated: The more common problem was that most SMTP servers Ravi would reject mail being sent through them unless the FROM and/or REPLY-TO Ravi addresses matched yourISP address. So for example, if you had an account @softhome.net, Ravi then you couldn't send through their server with the address @canada.com. Although this subject has been asked and answered many times in The_Bat!'s lists you may want to try Mercury/32 (http://www.pmail.com/downloads_risc_t.htm) which is a freeware SMTP server. During install select to utilize the direct mailer option versus the relay server option. This will negate any ISP problems relaying mail at Mercury/32 will resolve the recipient's address and send the message(s) direct to the recipient's mail server. It is used here and has yet to fail me sending e-mail anywhere unless the recipient's e-mail address is invalid. Anyway ... Hope this helps. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. PGP Key http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2zxyn/pubring.pkr It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 iQA/AwUBPRm+kYltdOMeoDcuEQKsIwCeLT15A+76m4on2XI+7FMwsz0hOjQAnisX s5vQahfsVH+vZNvch08IWiCZ =e4w0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Ravi, On Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 6:00:17 PM you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part): Unfortunately, I continue to be unable to send mail from TB! from my cogeco.ca account Have you ever tried dropping a note to 'cogeco.ca' support, requesting what Server reply Error: Message content rejected. could mean? I've never in my life seen this error message before. I don't have the smallest idea what problem the SMTP-server could run into, when trying to relay your mail. It would be a _great_ idea, if 'cogeco.ca' could tell you what they (their server) think(s) is wrong with your mail. Only, and I mean ONLY, with this information in back hand we will _possibly_ be able to help and tell what setting might need a change in your The Bat! setup. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) What do we learn from history? That we learn nothing from history. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Ravi Joshi wrote... 1. TB! will not send messages from my cogeco.ca acct. Server reply Error: Message content rejected. I get this at home as well, but not with TB, and I know it's my fault. I setup my mail server so securely I cannot send via it if I use the external network card IP address instead of the internal one. (ie using 1.2.3.4 instead of 192.168.0.1). snip 3. When sending a message within TB! from my MRB acct. to my Cogeco acct. I receive a mail delivery failure message from the MRB server indicating the message could not be delivered b/c the Message content was rejected. That sounds like a configuration error at their end. What are you putting in the email? What are the to/from fields set to? 5. I can send/receive messages using a variety of other clients... Becky, OE Foxmail On the same accounts that fail in TB? 12. When TBUDL tries to send messages to me they are apparently bouncing. I have now set up through MRB (and am glad to be back!). That truly sounds like a configuration error on their end. For somebody else to get bounces as well? -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 7:56:52 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote: 12. When TBUDL tries to send messages to me they are apparently bouncing. I have now set up through MRB (and am glad to be back!). That truly sounds like a configuration error on their end. For somebody else to get bounces as well? I tried sending a message to Ravi by PM and via the list at the weekend, and the mail to the Cogeco account bounced, with the same message. Interestingly, I just tried again, with a message sent via TB, and one sent via my ISP's webmail service (so avoiding the use of TB). The message sent via TB bounced. The one sent via webmail has not (yet). This would suggest that the Cogeco servers do not like something about messages sent via TB! Very strange. Perhaps Ravi could confirm whether he got a message from me via PM? Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote... Interestingly, I just tried again, with a message sent via TB, and one sent via my ISP's webmail service (so avoiding the use of TB). The message sent via TB bounced. The one sent via webmail has not (yet). This would suggest that the Cogeco servers do not like something about messages sent via TB! I'd find it highly unusual for an ISP to block based on email client... in fact highly stupid. Not saying impossible, but highly unlikely. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 8:17:59 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote: I'd find it highly unusual for an ISP to block based on email client... in fact highly stupid. Not saying impossible, but highly unlikely. I agree, so it will be interesting to see whether Ravi got the message that I did not send using TB. Messages are also bouncing when they are sent from TBUDL - does this run using TB? Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote... I agree, so it will be interesting to see whether Ravi got the message that I did not send using TB. Messages are also bouncing when they are sent from TBUDL - does this run using TB? I think TBUDL is run on listar [http://www.listar.org/] so no... it's not being run on TB!. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
ON Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 9:24:07 PM, you wrote: JBL On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 8:17:59 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote: I'd find it highly unusual for an ISP to block based on email client... in fact highly stupid. Not saying impossible, but highly unlikely. JBL I agree, so it will be interesting to see whether Ravi got the message JBL that I did not send using TB. Messages are also bouncing when they are JBL sent from TBUDL - does this run using TB? JBL Julian Hi Julian, I had msg's bounce on me because the line length was to long. This can happen because TB does not add hard returns when wrapping. Could this be the case? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries. Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hallo Ravi, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:46:27 -0400GMT (26-6-02, 20:46 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: RJ Yes I checked with Cogeco.ca (a frustration in itself!!). Their RJ servers are are functioning, they do not know what the message RJ means, and they do not support any e-mail client other than...drum RJ roll pleaseOE! (the saps - sorry should have ROT'd that part). Tried to send you a message with TB. This is my log: 0002 26-06-2002 22:31:42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - smtp.cogeco.ca + 0044 smtp.cogeco.ca [26-06-2002 22:31:42] 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:42 Starting connection to smtp.cogeco.ca 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:43 Establishing protocol with smtp.cogeco.ca 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:44 220 fep2.cogeco.net ESMTP Cogeco Cablesystems 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:45 HELO krakeel.org--- 250 fep2.cogeco.net 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:45 Starting delivery of KRKL841460763 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:46 MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 250 Ok 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:47 RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 250 Ok 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:47 DATA --- 354 End data with CRLF.CRLF 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:55 . --- 552 Error: Message content rejected 8002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:55 Returning message KRKL841460763 to sender 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:55 Completed delivery of KRKL84146075D~smtp_cogeco_ca 0002 0044 26-06-2002 22:31:56 RSET --- 250 Ok - 0044 Until the 552 response everything looks fine. According to rfc821 552 means: Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation So it's a bit odd that cogeco is complaining about message content. My own server thinks the message is ok. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Jonathan, JA I'd find it highly unusual for an ISP to block based on email JA client... in fact highly stupid. Not saying impossible, but highly JA unlikely. I have that feeling that something in The Bat's headers may be what's causing problems with this ISP. Here are the headers from an e-mail sent using TB and one sent using Becky (which Ravi says he gets OK). I can't see anything weird with what TB is doing other than the order which technically shouldn't matter. YahooMail, for example, throws headers in all sorts of weird order. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from bosco (lats09-154.znet.net [207.167.97.154]) by muddy.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08710 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:55:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:55:24 -0700 From: Blarp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test from Becky Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.00.08 Status: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 207.167.97.186 (lats09-186.znet.net [207.167.97.186]) by muddy.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25702 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:43:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:42:49 -0700 From: Blarp [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Reply-To: Blarp [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test from The Bat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: -- Tom G. http://blarp.com -- Free tech support The Bat 1.60q - Windows 2000 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Gerard, In Reference to your Posting on Wednesday, June 26 2002 at 01:18 PM PDT, I had msg's bounce on me because the line length was to long. This can happen because TB does not add hard returns when wrapping. Ah... but she does add hard returns. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Roelof Otten wrote... RJ Yes I checked with Cogeco.ca (a frustration in itself!!). [snip] Tried to send you a message with TB. This is my log: [snip] Well, I just tried to use telnet to send an email to Ravi, and it posted fine. [ja@vampire ja]# telnet smtp.cogeco.ca 25 Trying 216.221.81.25... Connected to smtp.cogeco.ca. Escape character is '^]'. 220 fep6.cogeco.net ESMTP Cogeco Cablesystems EHLO vampire.certiflexdimension.com 250-fep6.cogeco.net 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 15485760 250-VRFY 250-ETRN 250-XVERP 250 8BITMIME mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 Ok rcpt to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 Ok data 354 End data with CRLF.CRLF Hello, This is a quick test telnet email. Excuse the unusual formating . 250 Ok: queued as A9A653926 quit 221 Bye Connection closed by foreign host. [ja@vampire ja]# Erm... should have added bad spelling too ;) Sending via telnet to his account seemed to have worked fine. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hallo Jonathan, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:20:28 -0500GMT (26-6-02, 23:20 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: RJ Yes I checked with Cogeco.ca (a frustration in itself!!). Tried to send you a message with TB. This is my log: JA Well, I just tried to use telnet to send an email to Ravi, and it JA posted fine. I have been sending the same message (same msg-id) over and over to Ravi's cogeca account. Everytime deleting (a part of) a header. When I deleted the complete x-mailer header the message got delivered. This doesn't get delivered: X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal X-Mailer: The Bat! X-Mailer: The Bat This gets delivered: X-Mailer: roelof X-Mailer: cogeco basher No X-Mailer I'm not sure about the reason behind this, but it surely looks like somebody down there doesn't like The Bat! Ravi, sorry for the dupes I've been sending... -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, Roelof Otten wrote... I have been sending the same message (same msg-id) over and over to Ravi's cogeca account. Everytime deleting (a part of) a header. When I deleted the complete x-mailer header the message got delivered. Based on that information, then I'd have thought (still) it's a configuration error, and Ravi's provider doesn't like TB. I'd advise him to get in touch with them, and speak with a supervisor instead of a standard tech... or even try getting to speak with a sysadmin somewhere on site. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 10:54:19 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: I'm not sure about the reason behind this, but it surely looks like somebody down there doesn't like The Bat! That is outrageous! This also explains why messages from TBUDL were bouncing, because most people posting are using TB and therefore have the offending mail headers. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Ravi, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 12:00:17 [GMT -0400] (which was 4:00 a.m. here in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote: RJ Unfortunately, I continue to be unable to send RJ mail from TB! Just a thought but I had problems with my ISP so loaded Postcast Server 2 (free SMTP from your desk top) and that fixed everything. Here is the URL http://www.postcastserver.com/ -- Regards, Chris Put knot yore trust inn spel chequers Using The Bat! 1.60q E-Mail System with Windows XP Pro. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Chris You wrote On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 10:56:03 [GMT +1200] (08:56:03 Thursday, 27 June 2002 where I live):- Just a thought but I had problems with my ISP so loaded Postcast Server 2 (free SMTP from your desk top) and that fixed everything. Here is the URL http://www.postcastserver.com/ Do you have to write outgoing messages in this software in order to get it to work? (just too lazy, being an Aussie, to read the FAQ). ;-} -- Regards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Using Bat! 1.60q 7BE05C47 - Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram A Big Mouth Travels Far. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi John, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, at 09:13:04 [GMT +1000] (which was 11:13 a.m. here in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote: JP Do you have to write outgoing messages in this software in order to get it to JP work? No TB just works as normal but outward mail goes via Postcast Server, a small adjustment in |Account Properties |Transport |Send Mail| just enter the host name in my case the computer name. Also for some reason that I don't understand spam has been reduced to zero! -- Regards, Chris Put knot yore trust inn spel chequers Using The Bat! 1.60q E-Mail System with Windows XP Pro. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Mike, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:07:49 -0500, you wrote: My colleague was told by her ISP that it was because they blacklisted certain domains. Since I have my own domain (harlos.net), I had a hard time understanding why I would be included with the likes of Hotmail etc. I don't do any spamming or mass mailings. If the mail server that is reporting to be from your domain is on the black list, then they'll probably ignore you. Or if you host your domain from a DSL/Dialup connection for example, you may find that you have been caught in a block that matches the whole section. Or even if you are sending mail from a blacklisted block, and not necessarily have anything to do with your domain [harlos.net]. I phoned their tech support, and was told that they block emails that are sent via a relay (?SMTP relay). I'm afraid that my technical knowledge does not enable me to fully understand or explain this. An open relay (which is what they are often referring to) is a poorly configured mail server that allows anbody the ability to send mail via it, even people that are not supposed to. These often get exploited for the pure and simple use of spam. Most of the time, they rely on external sources to do the work, they just do a lookup on it (see http://www.ordb.org or http://mail-abuse.org). I use the SMTP server at my service provider, ATT Canada: outbox.attcanada.ca Maybe you might want to take a look http://www.ordb.org and do a lookup on there, see if it's listed. If so, you may want to contact your ISP, and notify them, although ordb.org does notify the poorly configured server's admin to let them know of the issue. I suppose that because my email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not match my ISP's domain, it is considered to be relayed? I highly doubt they'd do that, otherwise a lot of mail aliases would never work. Take for example your ISP... I'm sure they run several other domains on the same servers. If random ISPs decided to start blocking mail because the sending name doesn't match the real name from what it's being sent from... then a lot of mail would be rejected. You also get the issue as well with major companies such as uu.net who provide line/server services to companies who then sell on their services to end users. All the uu.net dialup accounts have some location.some ip.uu.net or in that kind of format. For any mail to work in the above case, you'd have to have a uu.net email address, which is not the case, the sub-provider often issues one under their domain. In any case, that was their explanation... I didn't suspect that it was a TB! issue. I don't personally think it is a TB issue itself... more of an issue with the ISP setup. I find it unusual to believe that a client would drop a connection to just one ISP... but it does appear the the afflicted ISP is doing some form of filtering, and dropping the X-Mailer that matches TB!. What really needs to happen, is some direct contact with the actual people that run the server, and not some tech support representative. In most ISP cases, the tech support representative doesn't have that kind of information. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Jonathan, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:20:28 -0500 GMT (27/06/02, 04:20 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA 250 8BITMIME Another idea: the rejected messages seemed to have been 7-bit encoded. Maybe there is a clue? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Durch einen Lichtstrahl drangen in der Nacht zum Freitag unbekannte Taeter in den Supermarkt ein. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail!!
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 3:54:06 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote: Edit Message - Recipients Address Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected. [...] The first time I tried to send this message to the list I received a response I was not recognized as a member...so I had to re-subscribe! It sounds like your account properties may be corrupted. Have a look at Account Properties, and check that you have the correct User Name and Password in the SMTP Server settings, and that you are using the correct SMTP server address. One reason the TBUDL list may be rejecting your messages is that your email address appears different - that is, the messages are being sent with a From: or Reply-To: address that is different from the ones you originally subscribed using. Have you stopped receiving any mail, or just mail from TBUDL? Can you collect mail from TBUDL in Outlook? Check your POP3 server settings as well. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail!!
Hello Ravi, On Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 10:54 GMT -0400, Ravi Joshi [RJ] pressed random keys until the following was produced: Something very strange is happening I have not been receiving any message from TBUDL since Friday and now, for no apparent reason, all of a sudden I cannot send any messages from TB! v. 1.60q. I get an error message saying Edit Message - Recipients Address Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected. Are you using a forwarding address for TBUDL and to send message? I used to use forwarding addresses exclusively and some POP3 servers would simply reject mail from those addresses. The more common problem was that most SMTP servers would reject mail being sent through them unless the FROM and/or REPLY-TO addresses matched your ISP address. So for example, if you had an account @softhome.net, then you couldn't send through their server with the address @canada.com. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Was August Mobius so rigid that he could only see one side of a question? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Ravi Joshi, In Reference to your Posting on Sunday, June 23 2002 at 03:10 PM PDT, Still cannot send any mail from TB! but can do so with OE and Becky. I have checked my Account settings, I have uninstalled and re-installed twice and I have installed a backup version of 1.60q. Still nothing works ; (. Here are the headers from this message: From: Ravi Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can Not Send Mail Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When you construct a message using TB, are those headers any different? -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail!!
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 3:54:06 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote: Edit Message - Recipients Address Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected. [I am sending this to the list and via PM] Was all of this in the error message? Where was the error message? In the TB Account Log? I don't understand the first line of the message - was this part of the error message? On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 11:10:27 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote: As far as I can tell my FROM 7 REPLY TO are the same, however I was messing around ( a couple of weeks ago) with a template for the AVG plugin...don't know if this has anything to do with it but when I was sending test messages I would receive an error message indicating that the message was undeliverable but in the error it had changed my [sender] email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]! I still think that this sounds like an account configuration problem. For some reason, the mail server does not like the mail being sent from TB - when you create a message, and then view the headers (Ctrl-Shft-K) when the message is in the Outbook, are the From: Reply-To: and To: headers what they should be? With the messages from TBUDL, you cannot receive messages from OE or Becky? This suggests that the email address that you subscribed from is not the one that you are checking with your mail clients. Did you get any of the confirmation emails back from the Listar address when you subscribed to the list? Perhaps your current account in TB is corrupted in some way. Try creating a new Account in TB, and re-enter all of the server details and email addresses from scratch. Do not try to import the data - start again. Other than this, I don't know what the problem is. Hope this helps. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 11:10:27 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote: Still cannot send any mail from TB! but can do so with OE and Becky. I have checked my Account settings, I have uninstalled and re-installed twice and I have installed a backup version of 1.60q. Still nothing works ; (. Well, messages sent to your email address are bouncing, which is why you are getting nothing from the list: The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host smtp.cogeco.ca[216.221.81.25] said: 552 Error: Message content rejected 552 errors sometimes mean that the mailbox is full. You need to log onto your mailbox (try using the Message Despatcher in TB) and see if there are any messages in there, and if there are, delete them. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
