Hi Alexandre,
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Ratchov a...@caoua.org wrote:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:16:21AM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:
My only issue with aucat is a noticeable lag for real-time
applications like games, even when running with a small buffer size as
per FAQ
Playing two folders of music in mplayer, watching a video on
youtube in Firefox/Gnash, watching a video on smplayer and listening
to a cd using cdio cdplay.
YT video skips a bit, but that may just be due to Gnash overhead and
possibly download speed. Everything else works smoothly using the
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Steven w.steven.schnei...@ualberta.net
wrote:
YT video skips a bit, but that may just be due to Gnash overhead and
possibly download speed. Everything else works smoothly using the
start by default settings.
It's gnash for sure ;-)
ciao,
David
* David Coppa dco...@gmail.com [111010 08:15]:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Steven w.steven.schnei...@ualberta.net
wrote:
YT video skips a bit, but that may just be due to Gnash overhead and
possibly download speed. Everything else works smoothly using the
start by default settings.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:16:21AM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:
My only issue with aucat is a noticeable lag for real-time
applications like games, even when running with a small buffer size as
per FAQ 13.5.
This should be fixed by the cleanup diff I posted few days ago,
isn't it?
If
If none, I'd like we start using aucat and run our favourite audio
applications. I'm interested mostly in regressions, ie ports working
worse (or not at all) when aucat is running.
Works for me: plays songs concurrently and smoothly.
Tested with firefox, ffplay and totem on -current i386.
I tested aucat by enabling it as you said.
mplayer does not break, and best of all, the
intermittent garbling seems to have stopped.
I can even launch seamonkey (firefox isn't built yet ?)
and I don't experience any sort of garbling.
I can do cool things like having 2 mplayer sessions
at the
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 05:04:03PM -0700, patrick keshishian wrote:
Or do you argue that it doesn't matter running it even where
it is not needed?
Somewhat yes, if there are no audio devices or no audio program is
run, aucat does nothing and shouldn't hurt.
yuck... sounds like
On 2011-10-07, Alexandre Ratchov a...@caoua.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 05:04:03PM -0700, patrick keshishian wrote:
Or do you argue that it doesn't matter running it even where
it is not needed?
Somewhat yes, if there are no audio devices or no audio program is
run, aucat
* Jona Joachim j...@hcl-club.lu [2011-10-07 12:06]:
Do you want to start sshd by default? [Y/n]
Do you want to start aucat by default? [Y/n]
yeah right. what an awesome installer!
Do you want to start atactl by default? [Y/n]
Do you want to start badsect by default? [Y/n]
Do you want to start
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 05:04:03PM -0700, patrick keshishian wrote:
yuck... sounds like linux to me. please don't go down that route of
enable everything, it can't hurt even if you don't use it mentality.
In a wide difference to linux, we try to avoid running buggy shit on the
system by
On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Jona Joachim j...@hcl-club.lu [2011-10-07 12:06]:
Do you want to start sshd by default? [Y/n]
Do you want to start aucat by default? [Y/n]
yeah right. what an awesome installer!
Do you want to start atactl by default? [Y/n]
Do you want to start
On 2011/10/06 22:36, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
sorry, my diff is wrong.. I forgot the '-aoff' in the diff, but -aoff
will become the default soon (this is to keep the device closed when
not used).
Without -a off behaviour I would object to this, but this clears
up all the usability problems
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 04:01:53PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
So I'm not convinced we should enable aucat unconditionally. Wouldn't
it make some sense to enable aucat on systems that run X?
Hmmm, why not?
I'm not against turning audio off in certain situations (servers,
It doesn't *belong* in X.
I want to be able to get proper sound from the console, even if I don't
run X.
* Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2011-10-07 14:14]:
It doesn't *belong* in X.
I want to be able to get proper sound from the console, even if I don't
run X.
doesn't it really come down to workstation vs server use?
for a default, having aucat running if you run X makes sense to me. if
you want
On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 02:17:19PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2011-10-07 14:14]:
It doesn't *belong* in X.
I want to be able to get proper sound from the console, even if I don't
run X.
doesn't it really come down to workstation vs server use?
for a
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:17:19 +0200
From: Henning Brauer lists-openbsdt...@bsws.de
* Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2011-10-07 14:14]:
It doesn't *belong* in X.
I want to be able to get proper sound from the console, even if I don't
run X.
doesn't it really come down to workstation
On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 02:35:47PM +0200, Mark Kettenis wrote:
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:17:19 +0200
From: Henning Brauer lists-openbsdt...@bsws.de
* Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2011-10-07 14:14]:
It doesn't *belong* in X.
I want to be able to get proper sound from the console,
This is beginning to seem strange to me. OpenBSD has always had an off by
default philosophy, a quality I have relied on since before 1998.
It takes little effort to enable aucat. Yes, it also takes little effort to
disable it, however, unless (almost) everyone needs it, the approach has been
to
On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 12:57:08PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 05:04:03PM -0700, patrick keshishian wrote:
yuck... sounds like linux to me. please don't go down that route of
enable everything, it can't hurt even if you don't use it mentality.
In a wide difference to
I think it should be enabled in the installer similar to X11.
aucat follows a sane design and more importantly, it could
help to improve buggy audio apps in ports. I noticed some weird
behaviour in mplayer when it comes to sound playback.
If it causes too much audio app breakage, it can be
On 2011-10-07, Henning Brauer lists-openbsdt...@bsws.de wrote:
* Jona Joachim j...@hcl-club.lu [2011-10-07 12:06]:
Do you want to start sshd by default? [Y/n]
Do you want to start aucat by default? [Y/n]
yeah right. what an awesome installer!
Do you want to start atactl by default? [Y/n]
aucat is similar to X11 in this regard: necessary for a desktop, useless
on a server.
Except you are wrong. For instance, my audio box has no display.
aucat as a daemon is an intragral back-end to a library which more and
more audio programs will be linked to, and those things need to move to
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 10:35:27 -0600
Theo de Raadt wrote:
The plan is to gut the direct device code-paths substantially, and
stop trying to perform magic two ways. The direct-device methods will
continue to work, but only as minimally as they did 10 years ago.
Even better, a simpler audio
What about, turn on for X and have to manually enable otherwise.
And precisely how do you do that?
Jona Joachim jaj at hcl-club.lu writes:
On 2011-10-07, Henning Brauer lists-openbsdtech at bsws.de wrote:
* Jona Joachim jaj at hcl-club.lu [2011-10-07 12:06]:
Do you want to start sshd by default? [Y/n]
Do you want to start aucat by default? [Y/n]
yeah right. what an awesome
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Alexey E. Suslikov
alexey.susli...@gmail.com wrote:
Either audioctl or mixerctl, which both return Device not configured if no
audio device is present, can be used by aucat rc.d script to detect speechless
setups.
I like this idea.
ciao,
David
P.S.: I'm also
2011/10/7 Alexey E. Suslikov alexey.susli...@gmail.com:
Jona Joachim jaj at hcl-club.lu writes:
On 2011-10-07, Henning Brauer lists-openbsdtech at bsws.de wrote:
* Jona Joachim jaj at hcl-club.lu [2011-10-07 12:06]:
Do you want to start sshd by default? [Y/n]
Do you want to start aucat
Either audioctl or mixerctl, which both return Device not configured if no
audio device is present, can be used by aucat rc.d script to detect speechless
setups.
Until a hotplug one is put in, and doesn't work.
You guys just are not thinking.
Vadim Zhukov persgray at gmail.com writes:
2011/10/7 Alexey E. Suslikov alexey.suslikov at gmail.com:
Either audioctl or mixerctl, which both return Device not configured
if no audio device is present, can be used by aucat rc.d script to
detect speechless setups.
Still will not work
I think if anything this strengthens the need for MD-specific rc scripts, for
platforms with absolutely no audio support, at all, no PCI bus, no USB bus, and
no fancy i2c audio controllers. Don't enable aucat + libsndio + audio(4).
On every other supported platform, enable audio, including
I think if anything this strengthens the need for MD-specific rc scripts, for
platforms with absolutely no audio support, at all, no PCI bus, no USB bus,
and
no fancy i2c audio controllers. Don't enable aucat + libsndio + audio(4).
Really! Which of our platforms have no audio support at
Theo de Raadt deraadt at cvs.openbsd.org writes:
Either audioctl or mixerctl, which both return Device not configured if
no audio device is present, can be used by aucat rc.d script to detect
speechless setups.
Until a hotplug one is put in, and doesn't work.
Is it feasible for aucat
On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 01:35:49PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Really! Which of our platforms have no audio support at all? Can you list
them?
That part was for effect, I was really hoping none existed. :-)
-Bryan.
Really! Which of our platforms have no audio support at all? Can you list
them?
That part was for effect, I was really hoping none existed. :-)
I'm afraid your hopes are about to get shattered. There is no audio
capabilities on the following platforms:
hp300 - until ISA interrupts
On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 10:35:27AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
aucat is similar to X11 in this regard: necessary for a desktop, useless
on a server.
Except you are wrong. For instance, my audio box has no display.
aucat as a daemon is an intragral back-end to a library which more and
On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 11:46:19PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
| There was a debate on whether it's good or not to enable aucat by
| default. I just put forth the idea that maybe you could let the user
| decide. You don't like the idea? Fine.
What are you talking about ? The user still gets to
Hi Alexandre,
Alexandre Ratchov wrote on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:29:26PM +0200:
On the one hand, we expect audio to work by default. On the other hand
format conversions, channel mapping, resampling and alike belong to
the audio sub-system; until 2009, this used to be the audio(4) driver
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:58:16PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
| Hi Alexandre,
|
| Alexandre Ratchov wrote on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:29:26PM +0200:
|
| On the one hand, we expect audio to work by default. On the other hand
| format conversions, channel mapping, resampling and alike belong to
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:58:16PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
Alexandre Ratchov wrote on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:29:26PM +0200:
On the one hand, we expect audio to work by default. On the other hand
format conversions, channel mapping, resampling and alike belong to
the
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 10:10:10PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote:
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:58:16PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
| Hi Alexandre,
|
| Alexandre Ratchov wrote on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:29:26PM +0200:
|
| On the one hand, we expect audio to work by default. On the other hand
|
On 6 October 2011 17:26, Alexandre Ratchov a...@caoua.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:58:16PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
Alexandre Ratchov wrote on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:29:26PM +0200:
On the one hand, we expect audio to work by default. On the other hand
format
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:58:16PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
| Hi Alexandre,
|
| Alexandre Ratchov wrote on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:29:26PM +0200:
|
| On the one hand, we expect audio to work by default. On the other hand
| format conversions, channel mapping, resampling and alike
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 11:05:34PM +0200, Mark Kettenis wrote:
Mark counters my objections
Mark, you make very valid points - my comments were more in the 'food
for thought' department: we run deamons by default while some are
never used by certain users. Doesn't harm them.
| But I like the
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 11:05:34PM +0200, Mark Kettenis wrote:
It would be nice if aucat didn't start when there was no sound
hardware. And it doesn't:
[weerd@despair] $ sudo aucat -l -fsun:0
aucat: sun:0: can't open device
sun:0: failed to open audio device
So your
So I'm not convinced we should enable aucat unconditionally. Wouldn't
it make some sense to enable aucat on systems that run X?
Hmmm, why not?
I'm not against turning audio off in certain situations (servers,
whatever). IMO the important point is aucat to be always running
when audio
* Mark Kettenis mark.kette...@xs4all.nl [2011-10-06 23:06]:
Only if it is a proper server ;) Most i386/amd64 servers do have
sound hardware.
huh? either your defintion of server hardware is weird or my servers are.
on pflog, that gets only started if pf is enabled and then it is in
the same
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Alexandre Ratchov a...@caoua.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:58:16PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
Hi Alexandre,
Alexandre Ratchov wrote on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:29:26PM +0200:
On the one hand, we expect audio to work by default. On the other hand
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