Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[Diane Trout]

> I have reached out to jdev mailing list, as well as the author of
> XMPP 
> Desktop Screen Sharing in Empathy. Unfortunately I was not able to
> get 
> any major attention.


I believe that the Empathy developers were also the original Telepathy
team as well, so its not surprising you didn't hear much them.

I'm currently fixing some stabs at fixing at least a few issues in
Empathy, I'm not sure I'll have the time to do much more than bug fixes
though.


> 
> Fixing one2one Desktop Screen Sharing should be fairly simple, but
> it 
> would be nice if we could do it in a standardized/interoperable way
> so 
> it will work between different XMPP-clients.

Compatibility would be awesome.

(It's the thing XMPP was historicaly bad at).

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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[George Kiagiadakis]

On 06/11/2016 09:04 AM, Alexandr Akulich wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Alexandr Akulich
>  wrote:
>> Hi George,
>>
>> Can you review commits [3], [4], please?
>>
>> [3] 
>> https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt/commit/8864249479ea2adbb5c88378aa082fa18d55f6b0
>> [4] 
>> https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt/commit/d9354dfe8cca364e4a8c3a44c302ceb714c53911
>>

Ack to both.

> 
> I'm writing NEWS for the 0.9.7 release and thus checking bugzilla for
> TpQt related bugs and just found exists bugreport [1] for my fix [2].
> 
> Can someone confirm that my fix isn't worse than the patch, attached
> to the bugreport?
> 
> [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65981
> [2] 
> https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt/commit/d9354dfe8cca364e4a8c3a44c302ceb714c53911

Your patch may not be entirely correct because for some reason all the
tpqt_*_generator calls have a DEPENDS some-xincludator, which is what
the other patch uses to depend onto, while you depend directly on the
spec files.

However, this xincludator DEPENDS seems unused and to be honest I don't
understand it at all, so for the time being I would say I prefer your
patch, since it's cleaner. If you can confirm that it fixes the issue,
then that's it.

I plan to take a closer look at this build system soon, since it's one
of the things that have annoyed me the most in the past. I think it can
be simplified a lot.

> Do anyone have an idea for codename for the release?

Not really, but you can be creative, I'm sure :)
Something that relates perhaps to your decision to make the release, or
something that relates to the season, or something with the features /
bugfixes?

Regards,
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[Alexandr Akulich]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Alexandr Akulich
 wrote:
> Hi George,
>
> Can you review commits [3], [4], please?
>
> [3] 
> https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt/commit/8864249479ea2adbb5c88378aa082fa18d55f6b0
> [4] 
> https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt/commit/d9354dfe8cca364e4a8c3a44c302ceb714c53911
>

I'm writing NEWS for the 0.9.7 release and thus checking bugzilla for
TpQt related bugs and just found exists bugreport [1] for my fix [2].

Can someone confirm that my fix isn't worse than the patch, attached
to the bugreport?

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65981
[2] 
https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt/commit/d9354dfe8cca364e4a8c3a44c302ceb714c53911

Do anyone have an idea for codename for the release?
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[Alexandr Akulich]

Hi George,

I'm using github [1] as a platform for TelepathyQt-related projects
development and we have some kind of "dev" branch of tp-qt here too
[2].

For sure, fd.o is the only official TpQt host, while github repo is an
"experimental fork" with untested and WIP features, which is open for
pull requests and direct commits from some more devs. I review changes
and push them to fd.o. Actually, only Niels Ole Salscheider used this
opportunity so far.

That said, I just pushed changes to github. Can you review commits
[3], [4], please?

I think we can release 0.9.7 this weekend. I'll check (again)
distributives for possible patches, fulfil changelog entry, check Qt4
/ Qt5 build and make release.

[1] https://github.com/TelepathyQt
[2] https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt
[3] 
https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt/commit/8864249479ea2adbb5c88378aa082fa18d55f6b0
[4] 
https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-qt/commit/d9354dfe8cca364e4a8c3a44c302ceb714c53911

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:00 AM, George Kiagiadakis
 wrote:
> Hi Alexandr,
>
> On 09.06.2016 22:58, Alexandr Akulich wrote:
>>
>> Hi George,
>>
>> It's great to hear about more devs get work on Telepathy.
>>
>> I'm TelepathyQt maintainer for a year now and I'm planning to release
>> 0.9.7 as soon as I'll made a future-proof commit with fix of
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95376 for Qt-5.8.
>>
>> It would be helpful if someone would acknowledge or review my changes.
>
>
> I'm definitely up for that. :)
>
>
>> Since commit [1] there is no QDBusArgument operators overload for
>> QList. I reported the problem [2] and it seems that the "bad" commit
>> will be reverted for 5.7, but our current approach is deprecated since
>> [3].
>>
>> I'm going to change tools/qt-types-gen.py script to generate such
>> operators in types-body.hpp:
>>
>> TP_QT_EXPORT QDBusArgument <<(QDBusArgument , const UIntList
>> )
>> {
>> int id = qMetaTypeId();
>> arg.beginArray(id);
>> for (int i = 0; i < list.count(); ++i) {
>> arg << list.at(i);
>> }
>> arg.endArray();
>> return arg;
>> }
>>
>> TP_QT_EXPORT const QDBusArgument >>(const QDBusArgument ,
>> UIntList )
>> {
>> arg.beginArray();
>> list.clear();
>> while (!arg.atEnd()) {
>> uint item;
>> arg >> item;
>> list.append(item);
>> }
>> arg.endArray();
>> return arg;
>> }
>>
>> As far as I see, this would be a full equivalent to the current
>> behaviour, but I didn't fully tested it yet.
>>
>> Would you acknowledge such approach or I'm missing something
>> important? Comment in types.h says that we "needed to have a discrete
>> type in the Qt type system" and we actually do qDBusRegisterMetaType
>> in types-body.hpp, but at the same time we're relying on QList stream
>> operators overload, which ignores any T parts except the base and has
>> no references to the original list object metatype.
>
>
> As far as I understand, the argument "ignores any T parts except the base"
> does not apply to our type here because T is int and int is a native type
> that doesn't need further operator overloads. But I can see how for the
> generic case it's true.
>
> In any case, I think your approach is sane. Please go ahead and ping me for
> a review if you wish.
>
> Regards,
> George
>
>
>>
>> [1]
>>
>> http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?id=5f542f3cca13f2da58b82aee2efbaffefeee00a7
>> [2] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-53376
>> [3]
>>
>> http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?id=c7d4858c921c7602dc90d56cdd903cd2cbc6
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:02 PM, George Kiagiadakis 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
>>> telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a couple of
>>> years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in this
>>> project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I can see
>>> there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some people
>>> writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me hope
>>> that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?
>>>
>>> I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in attempting a
>>> revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's being
>>> neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me enough to
>>> spend some time again in this project.
>>>
>>> As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are still
>>> working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to start a
>>> conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
>>> interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various other
>>> places on the internet.
>>>
>>> Regards,
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[Niklas Andersson]

Hi George,

Answers below:

On 10/06/16 06:42, George Kiagiadakis wrote:

Hello Niklas,

On 09.06.2016 18:55, Niklas Andersson wrote:

Hi George,

 We have a project going on that might be of interest. We have worked
like crazy to basically bring feature-parity between MS Lync and
Pidgin (using the SIPE-plugin)

 Think of it as the MS Lync client (or Skype for Business), but fully
open source, directly available in your software repository.



That's all super cool. I am interested to hear about all the XMPP 
additions as well as upstreaming all necessary changes to allow this 
to work in telepathy as well.


I'm sure interested to try and participate in talks about the XMPP 
semantics. Regarding empathy, as far as I remember, desktop sharing 
was working with vino & vinagre through telepathy stream tubes. I 
guess though you are talking about some more standardized way?


Yes. The standardization work needs to be done in XEP-0167: Jingle RTP 
Sessions [1]. We need to sort out during initial hand-shake which 
protocol/application/codec should be used. For example I believe RDP 
delivers a more rapid, crisp experience suitable for desktop screen sharing.


A small example to get the idea through. (We apply the SIP nomenclature 
from Lync applied in XMPP)



   
   


Also relevant is XEP-0176: Jingle ICE/UDP Transport Method.

I have reached out to jdev mailing list, as well as the author of XMPP 
Desktop Screen Sharing in Empathy. Unfortunately I was not able to get 
any major attention.


Fixing one2one Desktop Screen Sharing should be fairly simple, but it 
would be nice if we could do it in a standardized/interoperable way so 
it will work between different XMPP-clients.


Desktop Screen Sharing (as well as give/take control) would be a nice 
first step. Getting support for conferencing would be great, but would 
be a major feature leap I guess... i.e need for much more developer 
resources.


[1] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0167.html

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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[George Kiagiadakis]

Hi Alexandr,

On 09.06.2016 22:58, Alexandr Akulich wrote:

Hi George,

It's great to hear about more devs get work on Telepathy.

I'm TelepathyQt maintainer for a year now and I'm planning to release
0.9.7 as soon as I'll made a future-proof commit with fix of
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95376 for Qt-5.8.

It would be helpful if someone would acknowledge or review my changes.


I'm definitely up for that. :)


Since commit [1] there is no QDBusArgument operators overload for
QList. I reported the problem [2] and it seems that the "bad" commit
will be reverted for 5.7, but our current approach is deprecated since 
[3].


I'm going to change tools/qt-types-gen.py script to generate such
operators in types-body.hpp:

TP_QT_EXPORT QDBusArgument <<(QDBusArgument , const 
UIntList )

{
int id = qMetaTypeId();
arg.beginArray(id);
for (int i = 0; i < list.count(); ++i) {
arg << list.at(i);
}
arg.endArray();
return arg;
}

TP_QT_EXPORT const QDBusArgument >>(const QDBusArgument ,
UIntList )
{
arg.beginArray();
list.clear();
while (!arg.atEnd()) {
uint item;
arg >> item;
list.append(item);
}
arg.endArray();
return arg;
}

As far as I see, this would be a full equivalent to the current
behaviour, but I didn't fully tested it yet.

Would you acknowledge such approach or I'm missing something
important? Comment in types.h says that we "needed to have a discrete
type in the Qt type system" and we actually do qDBusRegisterMetaType
in types-body.hpp, but at the same time we're relying on QList stream
operators overload, which ignores any T parts except the base and has
no references to the original list object metatype.


As far as I understand, the argument "ignores any T parts except the 
base" does not apply to our type here because T is int and int is a 
native type that doesn't need further operator overloads. But I can see 
how for the generic case it's true.


In any case, I think your approach is sane. Please go ahead and ping me 
for a review if you wish.


Regards,
George



[1]
http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?id=5f542f3cca13f2da58b82aee2efbaffefeee00a7
[2] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-53376
[3]
http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?id=c7d4858c921c7602dc90d56cdd903cd2cbc6

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:02 PM, George Kiagiadakis 
 wrote:

Hello all,

For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a couple 
of

years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in this
project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I can 
see

there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some people
writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me hope
that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?

I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in attempting 
a

revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's being
neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me enough 
to

spend some time again in this project.

As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are still
working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to start a
conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various 
other

places on the internet.

Regards,
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[George Kiagiadakis]

Hello Niklas,

On 09.06.2016 18:55, Niklas Andersson wrote:

Hi George,

 We have a project going on that might be of interest. We have worked
like crazy to basically bring feature-parity between MS Lync and
Pidgin (using the SIPE-plugin)

 Think of it as the MS Lync client (or Skype for Business), but fully
open source, directly available in your software repository.

We have touched pidgin, libpurple, libnice, freerdp, gstreamer,
farstream to make this happen. And now we support (fully interoperable
with MS Lync/SFB):

- File Transfer
- Desktop Screen Sharing
- Conferencing
- Video (one2one for now)
- SRTP encryption
- Lync Enterprise Voice (call-in and call-out via gateway).

This is a great start, but I would like to see the same features in
other open libraries, and thus available for other clients. Right now
it is Pidgin only, which is a pity.

Also, I have reached out to the XMPP-community (with not much of
response actually..), telling them about this effort and that it would
be great to take all these features to XMPP. Right now it is a MS Lync
Server-only thing, which is not open source. I would like to see all
of this handled by ejabberd for example.


That's all super cool. I am interested to hear about all the XMPP 
additions as well as upstreaming all necessary changes to allow this to 
work in telepathy as well.



 There have been efforts in Empathy to implement Desktop Screen
Sharing, and I've reached out to the contributor (without getting a
response). It would be nice if we could do a joint-effort and make
sure there can be some common ground with respect to how the semantics
should look like in the XMPP-messages in order to be interoperable.


I'm sure interested to try and participate in talks about the XMPP 
semantics. Regarding empathy, as far as I remember, desktop sharing was 
working with vino & vinagre through telepathy stream tubes. I guess 
though you are talking about some more standardized way?


All our code is available on Github [1]. SIPE [2] is where we have our 
wiki [3]


The goal is to have all features in the Lync/Skype For Business
eco-system, but with protocols and code according to the
F/OSS-philosopy.

[1] https://github.com/tieto
[2] https://github.com/tieto/sipe
[3] https://github.com/tieto/sipe/wiki

Best regards,
Niklas


Thanks for letting me know.

Regards,
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[George Kiagiadakis]

On 09.06.2016 18:47, Daniel Pocock wrote:

On 09/06/16 17:02, George Kiagiadakis wrote:

Hello all,

For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a couple 
of

years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in this
project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I can 
see

there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some people
writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me hope
that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?

I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in attempting 
a

revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's being
neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me enough 
to

spend some time again in this project.

As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are still
working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to start a
conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various 
other

places on the internet.



George, thanks for being proactive about this

Several students are participating as part of GSoC this year, under the
umbrella of the Debian project

One thing that would help a lot is increasing the pool of mentors, some
students are sharing a mentor at the moment.  If you or anybody else
with C, C++ or Python experience can volunteer as a mentor, please
contact me privately.

Another thing I would encourage is joining the Free-RTC mailing list,
that is where we discuss some of the more strategic possibilities with
free software, not just limited to Telepathy:

https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/free-rtc



Hello Daniel,

Great to hear from you. I've heard about the GSoC projects and I'm very 
happy that you managed to get those students to work in Tp. Being 
around, I will sure try to answer questions from students, if I can.


Also thanks for letting me know about the Free-RTC mailing list. I have 
now subscribed there as well.


Regards,
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[George Kiagiadakis]

On 09.06.2016 18:44, Martin Klapetek wrote:

Hey George,

nice to see you back!

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, George Kiagiadakis
 wrote:


Hello all,

For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a
couple of
years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in
this
project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I
can see
there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some
people
writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me
hope
that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?

I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in
attempting a
revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's
being
neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me
enough to
spend some time again in this project.

As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are
still
working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to
start a
conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various
other



places on the internet.


So KDE Telepathy is right now pretty much in maintenance mode
for lack of developers, but there is some development by me going
into a new KDE/Qt/QML client called SpaceBar, which does not
have any public releases yet and is moreless built on top of
ktp-common-internals fork, which I would love to get back to master.

The primary focus was/is Plasma mobile, but it's very well usable
on desktop as well with some nice features like endless-history-on-
scroll and full emoji support plus all the goodness of ktp-text-ui
filters.


Hey Martin,

Glad to hear you are still around :)
I'm also really happy to learn about your new client. I'm looking 
forward to see it in action.


Cheers,
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[Alexandr Akulich]

Hi George,

It's great to hear about more devs get work on Telepathy.

I'm TelepathyQt maintainer for a year now and I'm planning to release
0.9.7 as soon as I'll made a future-proof commit with fix of
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95376 for Qt-5.8.

It would be helpful if someone would acknowledge or review my changes.

Since commit [1] there is no QDBusArgument operators overload for
QList. I reported the problem [2] and it seems that the "bad" commit
will be reverted for 5.7, but our current approach is deprecated since [3].

I'm going to change tools/qt-types-gen.py script to generate such
operators in types-body.hpp:

TP_QT_EXPORT QDBusArgument <<(QDBusArgument , const UIntList )
{
int id = qMetaTypeId();
arg.beginArray(id);
for (int i = 0; i < list.count(); ++i) {
arg << list.at(i);
}
arg.endArray();
return arg;
}

TP_QT_EXPORT const QDBusArgument >>(const QDBusArgument ,
UIntList )
{
arg.beginArray();
list.clear();
while (!arg.atEnd()) {
uint item;
arg >> item;
list.append(item);
}
arg.endArray();
return arg;
}

As far as I see, this would be a full equivalent to the current
behaviour, but I didn't fully tested it yet.

Would you acknowledge such approach or I'm missing something
important? Comment in types.h says that we "needed to have a discrete
type in the Qt type system" and we actually do qDBusRegisterMetaType
in types-body.hpp, but at the same time we're relying on QList stream
operators overload, which ignores any T parts except the base and has
no references to the original list object metatype.

[1] 
http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?id=5f542f3cca13f2da58b82aee2efbaffefeee00a7
[2] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-53376
[3] 
http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?id=c7d4858c921c7602dc90d56cdd903cd2cbc6

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:02 PM, George Kiagiadakis  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
> telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a couple of
> years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in this
> project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I can see
> there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some people
> writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me hope
> that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?
>
> I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in attempting a
> revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's being
> neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me enough to
> spend some time again in this project.
>
> As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are still
> working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to start a
> conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
> interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various other
> places on the internet.
>
> Regards,
> George
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[Niklas Andersson]

Hi George,

 We have a project going on that might be of interest. We have worked 
like crazy to basically bring feature-parity between MS Lync and Pidgin 
(using the SIPE-plugin)


 Think of it as the MS Lync client (or Skype for Business), but fully 
open source, directly available in your software repository.


We have touched pidgin, libpurple, libnice, freerdp, gstreamer, 
farstream to make this happen. And now we support (fully interoperable 
with MS Lync/SFB):


- File Transfer
- Desktop Screen Sharing
- Conferencing
- Video (one2one for now)
- SRTP encryption
- Lync Enterprise Voice (call-in and call-out via gateway).

This is a great start, but I would like to see the same features in 
other open libraries, and thus available for other clients. Right now it 
is Pidgin only, which is a pity.


Also, I have reached out to the XMPP-community (with not much of 
response actually..), telling them about this effort and that it would 
be great to take all these features to XMPP. Right now it is a MS Lync 
Server-only thing, which is not open source. I would like to see all of 
this handled by ejabberd for example.


 There have been efforts in Empathy to implement Desktop Screen 
Sharing, and I've reached out to the contributor (without getting a 
response). It would be nice if we could do a joint-effort and make sure 
there can be some common ground with respect to how the semantics should 
look like in the XMPP-messages in order to be interoperable.


All our code is available on Github [1]. SIPE [2] is where we have our 
wiki [3]


The goal is to have all features in the Lync/Skype For Business 
eco-system, but with protocols and code according to the F/OSS-philosopy.


[1] https://github.com/tieto
[2] https://github.com/tieto/sipe
[3] https://github.com/tieto/sipe/wiki

Best regards,
Niklas


On 09/06/16 17:02, George Kiagiadakis wrote:

Hello all,

For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a couple of
years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in this
project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I can see
there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some people
writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me hope
that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?

I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in attempting a
revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's being
neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me enough to
spend some time again in this project.

As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are still
working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to start a
conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various other
places on the internet.

Regards,
George
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[Daniel Pocock]

On 09/06/16 17:02, George Kiagiadakis wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
> telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a couple of
> years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in this
> project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I can see
> there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some people
> writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me hope
> that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?
> 
> I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in attempting a
> revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's being
> neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me enough to
> spend some time again in this project.
> 
> As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are still
> working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to start a
> conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
> interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various other
> places on the internet.
> 

George, thanks for being proactive about this

Several students are participating as part of GSoC this year, under the
umbrella of the Debian project

One thing that would help a lot is increasing the pool of mentors, some
students are sharing a mentor at the moment.  If you or anybody else
with C, C++ or Python experience can volunteer as a mentor, please
contact me privately.

Another thing I would encourage is joining the Free-RTC mailing list,
that is where we discuss some of the more strategic possibilities with
free software, not just limited to Telepathy:

https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/free-rtc
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Re: [Telepathy] Project revival?

[Martin Klapetek]

Hey George,

nice to see you back!

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, George Kiagiadakis 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
> telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a couple of
> years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in this
> project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I can see
> there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some people
> writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me hope
> that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?
>
> I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in attempting a
> revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's being
> neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me enough to
> spend some time again in this project.
>
> As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are still
> working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to start a
> conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
> interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various other

places on the internet.
>

So KDE Telepathy is right now pretty much in maintenance mode
for lack of developers, but there is some development by me going
into a new KDE/Qt/QML client called SpaceBar, which does not
have any public releases yet and is moreless built on top of
ktp-common-internals fork, which I would love to get back to master.

The primary focus was/is Plasma mobile, but it's very well usable
on desktop as well with some nice features like endless-history-on-
scroll and full emoji support plus all the goodness of ktp-text-ui filters.

Cheers
-- 
Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
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[Telepathy] Project revival?

[George Kiagiadakis]

Hello all,

For those of you that don't know me, I'm an old kde-telepathy &
telepathy-qt developer who's been inactive in telepathy for a couple of
years. Recently I've been looking again into what is going on in this
project and it looks like it's dead, which is a pity. However, I can see
there is some limited activity around telepathy-qt, with some people
writing new Qt-based CMs (cool!). This little activity makes me hope
that maybe it's possible to revive the rest of the project?

I'm basically writing this email to declare my interest in attempting a
revival. I think free communication is quite important and it's being
neglected a lot recently in the FOSS world, which motivates me enough to
spend some time again in this project.

As a start, I would like to get in touch with all of you who are still
working on something related to telepathy. It would be nice to start a
conversation about project needs and future plans. So, if you are
interested, please get in touch. I am 'gkiagia' on irc and various other
places on the internet.

Regards,
George
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