David -
If some suspender-wearing guy named Rundberg comes around your cubicle
asking for a red stapler - don't make an issue of it. Just let him have
it. Don't dwell on it. They are easily available at most office supply
stores. No need to burn the place down.
I think I saw it all in a
Here is a better link:
http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/WHTI_Passport_Sheet.pdf
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OK, let�s all make sure we are using the same terms.
Evolution � a variation of a species passed on from one generation to the
next � is an observed fact. But to say that that small variation
multiplied a million times over billions of years is responsible for life
on Earth as we know it
OK. I am not going to try to convince anyone the earth is a globe - and
not flat.
Yet there are pea-brained people that think just that. Believe in a Flat
World? FINE.
If you aren't on the evolution bandwagon - If you think a magic dude or
specific plan was necessary to cause it all to happen -
Interesting.
There are those that refuse to listen and those that are sure the other side is
going to change and agree with them if they just talk enough. Then there are
those who feel it necessary to characterize the other side with emotional
rhetoric, generating more emotional rhetoric,
This is not exactly on topic, although I suppose it vaguely fits with the
Darwinian evolution of cavers discussion. Even though it does not address the
cave-adapted traits of loss of vision, increased sense of smell, and enlarged
sexual organs, it does speak to the evolution of the
Sorry folks,
I became lost as to who was posting what. Someone from my grotto did not
post an offensive remark and I send my regrets for getting confused.
Can we try to keep the the topics cave related and shy away from
religion and politics in the future?
Thanks,
Corky
Look Ya'll, I've been on both sides of the fence.
I was raised as a Southern Baptist in Shreveport La. in the 60's.
I was a real good Christian until I started asking questions that preachers
and bibles could not answer.
I just get so irritated with all this back and forth with my side no My
Aw shucks, no more stirring up the populous?
Fritz
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From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:55 PM
To: Cavers, Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] OT: Apologies to non-believers and believers
Look Ya'll, I've been on both sides of the fence.
I was
I have to chime in here and make a comment regarding the general attitude and
lack of respect of what seems to be many-a-caver on this list...
After taking this conversation from being a rude belittling argument and
turning it into a nice pleasant discussion regarding evolution and religion
How do I unsubscribe form this list?
unsubscribe-texascav...@texascavers.com?
From: Travis Scott [mailto:tra...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:42 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution
I have to chime in here and make a comment
Ditto! What is the unsubscribe link? I cannot believe a person from the
grotto I helped create could spew such venom and hate. My daughter
wonders why I will not take her to the meetings. I can show her one of
the reasons now in black and white. You do not have to believe in God to
follow the
Corky,
I will not opt out for fear of missing something worthwhile, maybe even
caving related. I do use my delete key on some subjects or on a
repetitive caver (myself excluded). Don't leave as we need you, assuming
that you are a dues paying member. As an alternative you could start
your own web
Rick,
No offence meant but I have to believe that many of the cavers are on
this list for the social aspect, for caving information and
opportunities. Some enjoy the OT subjects, educational information,
current topics in the news as well as the irreverence to all things that
some of us spew.
As
I like figs and mints. Where can I get some?
F
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From: George Nincehelser [mailto:geo...@nincehelser.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:53 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Stefan Creaser; Brian Riordan; bmorgan...@aol.com;
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers]
I liked the discussion on TV antennas, high definition digital
television and frequencies...rabbit ear antennas, earth station
parabolic microwave receiving antennas and the like. But I would
rather read about cave related material.
(suppose to be working)
Bill
Most of us are supposed to be but this is entertainment/diversion and
generally a waste of our and our employer's time.
Fritz
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From: Bill Bentley-Webmail [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:44 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE:
Please join us for the next UT Grotto Meeting on Wednesday 16 January 2008
Painter Hall rm 2.48
Peter Sprouse will be presenting a show on the November 2007 UT Grotto trip
to the caves of Xilitla, where quite a few new caves and some disturbing
environmental problems.
Whether
I would like to propose a toast to Sir Edmund Hillary.
My generation grew up thinking he was one of the most
well known mountain climbers, and I am sure there were
many people worldwide that thought highly of him.
He loved the Himalayas, and it cost him the most important
things in life - his
David,
What's the answer to your trivia question? I can't stand the suspense!
C
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From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:47 AM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] OT - Sir Edmund Hillary
I would like to propose a
I met Sir Edmund Hillary at a Texas Chapter of The Explorers Club dinner in
Dallas about 20 years ago. I have a photo of me standing with him. What
really made my day when I met him was that he said that he had heard of our
Huautla caving project, and was following our explorations with
I realize that what I am proposing is impractical in today's
disposable/convenience oriented lifestyle but it does make sense. Sam's
is doing it. Most plastic (and paper) bags come from grocery stores and
most of these stores issue a form of small plastic tags for store
discounts. These stores
Fritz said:
The store could then discontinue the use of all bags.
There are a few progressive stores like Whole Foods (at least they used
to) and food coops that give a small discount, like 5 cents, for every bag you
bring to take your groceries home in. It can be a cloth
Mark,
Your additional suggestions and remarks make good sense. Those with the
discount tags and their own bags or no bags could be given a 1% or 2%
discount. (End of my diatribe).
Fritz
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From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:44 PM
To:
Most of the major grocery stores in this area already offer a rebate on your
grocery total (approximately 5 cents/bag) if you bring your own reusable bags.
Our recycle system takes kraft paper bags and the grocery stores like Safeway
have a place you can recycle your plastic bags. Of course,
Even if this site is supposed to be related exclusively to caving, I look at
the OTs as being the conversations we get into around our virtual campfire
after a hard day caving and having a few cervezas. So, every once in awhile,
have a virtual beer on me and bring up something interesting OT.
I don't know how much of a dent in oil consumption this saves, and it seems
an expensive alternative, but it's good to see some alternatives out there:
http://www.ecoproducts.com/Home/home_biobags/home_biogrocery_bags.htm
On 1/11/08, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
Even if this
I agree with the sentiments of many subscribers to this list serve that
there have been way too many threads of late that have nothing to do with
caving,
are irritating and offensive to many in the silent background, and are
actually detrimental to the theme and spirit of this list
I just got an update on the status of the Waxahachie Collider tunnel. First,
I'll explain what led me to look into it. I'm the program chairman for the
Texas Chapter of The Explorers Club. Our next dinner meeting is in Dallas on
March 29. Our planned speaker for that night is Roger Moore, a
A few billion years from now, when all humans are long extinct, and robots
rule, what will they be saying about their creation? ;)
Don't assume they'll remember us. It's possible they could become so
advanced that they see us as irrelevant.
George
On 1/11/08, dirt...@comcast.net
Hogwash, it would be impossible for robots to become so advanced that
they could exist without humans.
If they could and we were all gone, who would care?
Fritz
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From: George Nincehelser [mailto:geo...@nincehelser.com]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:44 PM
To: dirt...@comcast.net
Hey, this is precisely the plot of several famous science fiction
stories, including 2001's Artificial Intelligence (AI) movie, dir.
Spielberg.
-we're gone, they're not.
-k
Hogwash, it would be impossible for robots to become so advanced
that they could exist without humans.
If they could
Here is a link about the Passport Card.
I think the program starts Feb. 1st., but there is already
some complaints about Identity Theft and Privacy.
http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/ppt_card_reg.pdf
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Plongeur = dishwasher..
Anyone read DISHWASHER by Dishwasher Pete?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher_Pete
Or DOWN AND OUT IN PARIS AND LONDON by George Orwell? He worked as a plongeur, as I did in the 1960s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_Paris_and_LondonT.
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For the irony free zone:
Plunger = diver
réalimenté = re-provisioned
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At 1:50 AM -0600 1/11/08, Don Cooper wrote:
I'm curious about the plungers Is that a
synonym for people who take the plunge and strap
on air - or do they actually tie notes to a
bathroom plunger or something?
I could
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