[ot_caving] DTV update

2008-05-28 Thread quinta
From Wichita Falls I now am getting Sherman area broadcast and the local ones are more stable reception. The wattage output must be higher now. This makes 9 stations I get with only the indoor antenna and the converter box. Quinta

[ot_caving] another LED headlamp

2008-05-28 Thread David
Here is an interesting headlamp that would work great in many Texas caves: http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/basegear_2001_11163620 It is called the Mammut Lucido. It has 4 light settings, Flood-Light to 7 meters for 180 hours Flood-Light to 14 meter for 155 hour

[Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Minton, Mark
Mark, the TSA and I would like to solicit your thoughts, recommendations, and ideas as to the future of the TSA Land Fund and whether the funds should be dispensed and, if so, to what worthy cave association (s) or project (s). I vote that we give it to TCMA for Punkin and Deep. I would

RE: [Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Stefan Creaser
Mark*, The only *fair* way of doing it would be to split the money equally between the two so that no bias can be perceived for or against either organisation... Cheers, Stefan From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:27

[Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Minton, Mark
Stefan Creaser said: The only *fair* way of doing it would be to split the money equally between the two so that no bias can be perceived for or against either organisation... What's wrong with bias? If one of the properties is more desirable to Texas cavers as a whole, then that's

Re: [Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread John Brooks
Splitting is one fair way to deal with the funds. But it is not the only way to deal with this issue fairly. Discussing this as a group and deciding on a course action, and determining a suitable action in an open, civil, transperant and democratic process is fair Sent from my iPhone On

[Texascavers] TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Carl Kunath
Let's not forget the Texas Speleological Survey -- an organization worthy of the support of all Texas cavers. ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - From: John Brooks To: Stefan Creaser Cc: Minton, Mark ; Texascavers Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:45 PM

RE: [Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Stefan Creaser
In this case I think there is more to it than that. From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:42 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Stefan Creaser said: The only

RE: [Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Stefan Creaser
True, I should have said compared to... one way... Rgds, Stefan From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:45 PM To: Stefan Creaser Cc: Minton, Mark; Texascavers Mailing List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: TSA

[Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Fritz Holt
Mark, I just responded personally to your earlier post on this matter in which I was in favor of the gift to pay down the Punkin and Deep loan. Gifting the funds to TCMA for this purpose has nothing to do with bias or being fair but makes good fiscal sense to pay down the loan on which you are

[Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Minton, Mark
John Brooks said: Splitting is one fair way to deal with the funds. But it is not the only way to deal with this issue fairly. Discussing this as a group and deciding on a course action, and determining a suitable action in an open, civil, transperant and democratic process is fair

[Texascavers] RE: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Fritz Holt
This democratic process is getting way too complicated. Any vote for dispersal should be limited to the two or three Texas associations and then only after the proposed usage of the monies by these associations is reviewed by the TSA board. Any vote should be for input only to enable the TSA

[ot_caving] Kevlar caving helmet

2008-05-28 Thread David
Here is a kevlar helmet suitable for caving: The Pacific WR5. Only $ 110.00 plus tax and shipping. However, it does not look like it is available without the ratchet headband ( like you have on construction hardhats ) I am guessing Pacific is the same as the New Zealand company Pacific

[ot_caving] helmet technology

2008-05-28 Thread David
Is anybody still on this listserve? Sure is quiet out there. Hopefully you are all in a cave and not reading this e-mail. It is my opinion that caving helmets still have a ways to go in the design factor. For example, look how far along snowboard and bicycle helmets have come along in

RE: [ot_caving] helmet technology

2008-05-28 Thread Fritz Holt
Yes, bicycle helmets though functional, still look as silly as ever but I wear one anyway. Geezer -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:32 PM To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] helmet technology Is anybody still on this

Re: [ot_caving] helmet technology

2008-05-28 Thread Don Cooper
Hear the crickets, David. HEAR the crickets. -WaV On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:31 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Is anybody still on this listserve? Sure is quiet out there. Hopefully you are all in a cave and not reading this e-mail. It is my opinion that caving helmets still

[Texascavers] Re: Son of Land Fund/TSA Needs Your Thoughts/repeating

2008-05-28 Thread Jay Jorden
All, To address and clarify a few points on the inevitable but already lengthy thread on this subject (and wishing there'd been a bit more interest in the land fund before debate began on its dissolution): 1) TCC: ... doesn't want the proceeds of this particular fund. Please feel free to

[ot_caving] web movies

2008-05-28 Thread David
This is news to me, but maybe not to you all: Google Video has entire movies on-line that you can watch for free any time you want. For example, Here is Charlton Heston in 1973 in my favorite movie Soylent Green. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1296155071179146825 I believe you

RE: [ot_caving] web movies

2008-05-28 Thread Fritz Holt
I enjoy good and realistic westerns and being a life NRA member, my favorite Charlton Heston movie was Will Penny. Fritz -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:13 PM To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] web movies This is

Fwd: [ot_caving] personal - medical

2008-05-28 Thread Charles Goldsmith
-- Forwarded message -- From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:54 AM Subject: [ot_caving] personal - medical To: o...@texascavers.com Someone recently mentioned that it sucks getting old. Friday after work, I would

[ot_caving] computer news - Vista related

2008-05-28 Thread David
For the past few months, web-sites discussing MicroSoft Vista have portrayed the software as being inferior to the older XP. Even after the release of the 1st service pack, they still grumbled. But in the past few days the tide seems to be turning: At least 3 of these sites are now giving

[ot_caving] computer news - Vista related

2008-05-28 Thread quinta
Vista was loaded on a computer I bought ( the old clunker died) and I was not sure I would like it but I would not go back to XP now. Quinta

Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related

2008-05-28 Thread Don Cooper
Hmmm - maybe you should try Apple OS X.. -WaV On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:58 PM, qui...@clearwire.net wrote: Vista was loaded on a computer I bought ( the old clunker died) and I was not sure I would like it but I would not go back to XP now. Quinta

Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related

2008-05-28 Thread Charles Goldsmith
As Quitna stated, her new computer came with Vista, and most computer manufacturers aren't developing XP drivers anymore. So with some computers (especially laptops), you can't even downgrade to XP. Work gave me a laptop with Vista, I haven't had any problems with it, just having to learn where

[Texascavers] The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread mark . alman
From the Minutes of the Spring TSA Business Meeting, April 6th, 2008 Convened at the TSA Spring Convention, April 5th thru the 7th, in Kerrville, TX at the Kerrville-Schreiner Park. Submitted by Mark Alman, TSA Secretary. The TSA Constitution was reviewed concerning dispersing

RE: [Texascavers] The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread mark . alman
Joe Ranzau wisely pointed this item out below: Thanks! Mark Alman From: jran...@gmail.com [mailto:jran...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joe Ranzau Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:10 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA

[Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Fritz Holt
I just read Jay Jorden's lengthy and comprehensive minutes from the spring 08 convention and the history of the TSA Land Fund. I have already made my feelings on the subject known. One thing in Jay's report caught my eye. While in my opinion most cavers and we spelunkers are generally fiscally

RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Kurt L. Menking
I know the TSA Endowment Fund Trustees spent much time and discussion on this matter, and I say we should not muddy the water with a bunch of alternate suggestions, and proposals. I think we should schedule the vote at the next TCR as the trustees recommended. If their original motion is not

RE: [Texascavers] The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation

2008-05-28 Thread Fritz Holt
Regardless of my or any other feelings, when it exists, the letter of the governing law should be followed. Thanks, Joe. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:29 PM To: Joe Ranzau Cc: Texascavers Mailing