Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On mer, 2008-01-09 at 11:22 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > > By the way (and this is a new thread I guess), for some devices it's ok to > > have eject and umount. The only one I'm thinking of is RW CD/DVD where if > > the > > cd is mounted you can't blank it. Now you want to unmount it but you can > > only > > eject it, so you do that and reinsert it. Now you have activated > > automounting, > > and hop, restart the loop. > > No no no no no. The program (GUI program, presumably) that handles the > CD blanking should know how to unmount the CD if necessary. This is a > useless implementation detail, and there's zero reason to expose this in > the user interface. If the user is going to use a CLI program to do the > blanking, they're certainly capable of unmounting the CD manually (or, > hell, the CLI program should do it for you). IMO 'Unmount' should > *never* be in a user interface that most users see[1]. > > -brian > > [1] Obviously an advanced GUI disk partitioning/formating/etc. utility > type application might have an unmount action, but that's different. Hmh, yeah, good point. I don't know if there are cases where the GUI should present both options. I was using wodim when this issue appeared. I don't have too strong feeling in either solution. Sorry for the mess. -- Yves-Alexis ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > By the way (and this is a new thread I guess), for some devices it's ok to > have eject and umount. The only one I'm thinking of is RW CD/DVD where if the > cd is mounted you can't blank it. Now you want to unmount it but you can only > eject it, so you do that and reinsert it. Now you have activated automounting, > and hop, restart the loop. No no no no no. The program (GUI program, presumably) that handles the CD blanking should know how to unmount the CD if necessary. This is a useless implementation detail, and there's zero reason to expose this in the user interface. If the user is going to use a CLI program to do the blanking, they're certainly capable of unmounting the CD manually (or, hell, the CLI program should do it for you). IMO 'Unmount' should *never* be in a user interface that most users see[1]. -brian [1] Obviously an advanced GUI disk partitioning/formating/etc. utility type application might have an unmount action, but that's different. ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 19:40:22 +0100, Tino Keitel wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 18:36:27 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 01:22:34PM +, Tino Keitel wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:36:04 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > > > > Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > > > >>> I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > > > > >>> without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. > > > > >> Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > > > > > > > > > > Are there patches against 4.4.2? > > > > > > > > http://thunar.xfce.org/download/sources/Thunar/0.9.0/Thunar-0.9.0-use-eject-where-necessary.patch > > > > > > I think that Yves-Alexis asked for an official patch for xfdesktop4. My > > > version can be found here: > > > > > > http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3738 > > > > > > Brian already commented it[1], and I use it for several weeks now on 2 > > > computers. > > > > > You'll be glad, Simon Huggins just uploaded an xfdesktop with your patch :) > > > > By the way (and this is a new thread I guess), for some devices it's ok to > > have eject and umount. The only one I'm thinking of is RW CD/DVD where if > > the > > I noticed that xfdesktop4 and thunar behaved differently in this case > and asked what I should implement, see > http://www.mail-archive.com/thunar-dev@xfce.org/msg03504.html and Wrong mail. I mean this one: http://www.mail-archive.com/thunar-dev@xfce.org/msg03496.html Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 18:36:27 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 01:22:34PM +, Tino Keitel wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:36:04 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > > > Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > > >>> I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > > > >>> without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. > > > >> Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > > > > > > > > Are there patches against 4.4.2? > > > > > > http://thunar.xfce.org/download/sources/Thunar/0.9.0/Thunar-0.9.0-use-eject-where-necessary.patch > > > > I think that Yves-Alexis asked for an official patch for xfdesktop4. My > > version can be found here: > > > > http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3738 > > > > Brian already commented it[1], and I use it for several weeks now on 2 > > computers. > > > You'll be glad, Simon Huggins just uploaded an xfdesktop with your patch :) > > By the way (and this is a new thread I guess), for some devices it's ok to > have eject and umount. The only one I'm thinking of is RW CD/DVD where if the I noticed that xfdesktop4 and thunar behaved differently in this case and asked what I should implement, see http://www.mail-archive.com/thunar-dev@xfce.org/msg03504.html and Brian's reply. Changing both to show "Eject" _and_ "Unmount" is easy, though. Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 01:22:34PM +, Tino Keitel wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:36:04 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > > Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > >>> I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > > >>> without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. > > >> Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > > > > > > Are there patches against 4.4.2? > > > > http://thunar.xfce.org/download/sources/Thunar/0.9.0/Thunar-0.9.0-use-eject-where-necessary.patch > > I think that Yves-Alexis asked for an official patch for xfdesktop4. My > version can be found here: > > http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3738 > > Brian already commented it[1], and I use it for several weeks now on 2 > computers. > You'll be glad, Simon Huggins just uploaded an xfdesktop with your patch :) By the way (and this is a new thread I guess), for some devices it's ok to have eject and umount. The only one I'm thinking of is RW CD/DVD where if the cd is mounted you can't blank it. Now you want to unmount it but you can only eject it, so you do that and reinsert it. Now you have activated automounting, and hop, restart the loop. Ok you can disable automounting for that time, but having a way to unmount without ejecting (ok, pmount or exo-unmount works too, but from UI...) would be nice. But I agree this is not the same problem. Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:36:04 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > >>> I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > >>> without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. > >> Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > > > > Are there patches against 4.4.2? > > http://thunar.xfce.org/download/sources/Thunar/0.9.0/Thunar-0.9.0-use-eject-where-necessary.patch I think that Yves-Alexis asked for an official patch for xfdesktop4. My version can be found here: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3738 Brian already commented it[1], and I use it for several weeks now on 2 computers. Regards, Tino [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/thunar-dev@xfce.org/msg03506.html ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On mer, 2007-12-12 at 10:16 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > I do have issues with using the term "Eject" here. It makes sense > for > optical or tape drives, but not really for (e.g.) USB flash drives. Somebody just told me that vfat fs are not totally sync()ed at umount, that you needed to send and eject so everything is clean properly. I don't have any source but it may be a good idea to provide this :) Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:16:11 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: [...] > P.S. Also, what happens for the "Floppy Drive" icon? Sounds pretty > confusing to have an "Eject" menu item that -- physically -- appears to > do nothing (unless you're on an old Mac). When your floppy device HAL entry contains "requires_eject", then Thunar will create an "Eject" menu entry. So when the hardware doesn't support eject, but HAL reports it, then HAL is wrong, not Xfce. :-) Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
Tino Keitel wrote: > Hi Brian, > > what do you think about the patch? It does not hurry for Xfce itself, > but the Debian maintainers wait for a comment to decide if this fix can > be included in the 4.4.2 build for Debian. Functionally it looks ok (haven't tested it; just glanced at the patch). I do have issues with using the term "Eject" here. It makes sense for optical or tape drives, but not really for (e.g.) USB flash drives. I've seen discussion about this elsewhere, but I don't remember where, or what the conclusions were, and I don't have a better word or phrase to use in its place. It appears that both WinXP (right click on a USB drive in Explorer) and MacOS X (right click [or control-click] on USB drive in the shortcuts pane in Finder) use the "Eject" terminology, so at least it's not without precedent... -brian P.S. Also, what happens for the "Floppy Drive" icon? Sounds pretty confusing to have an "Eject" menu item that -- physically -- appears to do nothing (unless you're on an old Mac). ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 01:18:46 +0100, Tino Keitel wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 15:44:36 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > > Tino Keitel wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 20:31:34 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > > >> Tino Keitel wrote: > > >>> I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > > >>> without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. > > >> Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > > > > > > I patched xfdesktop in a minimal way (see the attachment), which lead > > > to the following inconsistency: > > > > > > In thunar, either "Eject" or "Unmount" is shown in the menu, depending > > > on thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable(). In xfdesktop, both "Eject" and > > > "Unmount" are shown when thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable() returns > > > "true". > > > > > > What behaviour should be preferred? > > > > Eject. Feel free to cook up a patch, open a bug on bugzilla, and attach it. > > Done. Hi Brian, what do you think about the patch? It does not hurry for Xfce itself, but the Debian maintainers wait for a comment to decide if this fix can be included in the 4.4.2 build for Debian. Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 01:18 +0100, Tino Keitel wrote: > Btw., the 4.4.2 version is missing in Bugzilla. > It's there now. -- Jean-François Wauthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: >>> I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane >>> without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. >> Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > > Are there patches against 4.4.2? http://thunar.xfce.org/download/sources/Thunar/0.9.0/Thunar-0.9.0-use-eject-where-necessary.patch Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On mar, 2007-12-11 at 20:31 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > Tino Keitel wrote: > > I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > > without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. > > Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. Are there patches against 4.4.2? Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 01:18:46 +0100, Tino Keitel wrote: > Done. It's bug #3738. ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 15:44:36 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > Tino Keitel wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 20:31:34 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > >> Tino Keitel wrote: > >>> I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > >>> without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. > >> Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > > > > I patched xfdesktop in a minimal way (see the attachment), which lead > > to the following inconsistency: > > > > In thunar, either "Eject" or "Unmount" is shown in the menu, depending > > on thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable(). In xfdesktop, both "Eject" and > > "Unmount" are shown when thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable() returns > > "true". > > > > What behaviour should be preferred? > > Eject. Feel free to cook up a patch, open a bug on bugzilla, and attach it. Done. Btw., the 4.4.2 version is missing in Bugzilla. Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
Tino Keitel wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 20:31:34 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: >> Tino Keitel wrote: >>> I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane >>> without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. >> Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > > I patched xfdesktop in a minimal way (see the attachment), which lead > to the following inconsistency: > > In thunar, either "Eject" or "Unmount" is shown in the menu, depending > on thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable(). In xfdesktop, both "Eject" and > "Unmount" are shown when thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable() returns > "true". > > What behaviour should be preferred? Eject. Feel free to cook up a patch, open a bug on bugzilla, and attach it. -brian ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 00:38:55 +0100, Tino Keitel wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 20:31:34 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote:
> > Tino Keitel wrote:
> > > I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane
> > > without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch.
> >
> > Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well.
>
> I patched xfdesktop in a minimal way (see the attachment), which lead
Forgot the attachment.
Here it is.
Regards,
Tino
diff -ru xfdesktop4-4.4.2.orig/src/xfdesktop-volume-icon.c xfdesktop4-4.4.2/src/xfdesktop-volume-icon.c
--- xfdesktop4-4.4.2.orig/src/xfdesktop-volume-icon.c 2007-11-17 20:31:41.0 +0100
+++ xfdesktop4-4.4.2/src/xfdesktop-volume-icon.c 2007-12-11 22:14:46.005592273 +0100
@@ -573,8 +573,7 @@
icon);
}
-if(thunar_vfs_volume_is_disc(volume)
- && thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable(volume))
+if(thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable(volume))
{
mi = gtk_image_menu_item_new_with_mnemonic(_("E_ject Volume"));
gtk_widget_show(mi);
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Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 20:31:34 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > Tino Keitel wrote: > > I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > > without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. > > Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. I patched xfdesktop in a minimal way (see the attachment), which lead to the following inconsistency: In thunar, either "Eject" or "Unmount" is shown in the menu, depending on thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable(). In xfdesktop, both "Eject" and "Unmount" are shown when thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable() returns "true". What behaviour should be preferred? Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
Tino Keitel wrote: > I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane > without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. Committed. Bug Brian to fix xfdesktop as well. > Regards, > Tino Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 13:50:20 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > Tino Keitel wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 09:29:24 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> Hm, there seems to be an error in thunar-shortcuts-view.c. The "Eject > >> Volume" action is only added for discs. Try the attached patch. > > > > While looking at the source, I wondered if the same patch is necessary > > for thunar-tree-view.c, too. > > Of course, but first, let's see if that works for the shortcuts pane. I didn't realize that the patch was only for the shortcuts pane in Thunar. I mostly use the context menu of the xfdesktop icons. I can confirm that I have no "Eject" button in the shortcuts pane without the patch, and and "Eject" button with the patch. Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
Tino Keitel wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 09:29:24 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > > [...] > >> Hm, there seems to be an error in thunar-shortcuts-view.c. The "Eject >> Volume" action is only added for discs. Try the attached patch. > > While looking at the source, I wondered if the same patch is necessary > for thunar-tree-view.c, too. Of course, but first, let's see if that works for the shortcuts pane. > Regards, > Tino Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 09:29:24 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: [...] > Hm, there seems to be an error in thunar-shortcuts-view.c. The "Eject > Volume" action is only added for discs. Try the attached patch. While looking at the source, I wondered if the same patch is necessary for thunar-tree-view.c, too. Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 09:29:24 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: [...] > Hm, there seems to be an error in thunar-shortcuts-view.c. The "Eject > Volume" action is only added for discs. Try the attached patch. Thanks for the quick reply, I'll try the patch and report back. Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
Tino Keitel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the changelog for Thunar 0.9.0 mentions this:
>
> ---
> Use the correct HAL property to determine whether a given volume or
> device requires eject (Bug #3119).
> ---
>
> As I wasn't aware that #3119 was already fixed in SVN, I opened #3466
> and created my own fix. It asks HAL for the eject flag:
>
> + /* an eject menu entry is shown if this returns true */
> + volume_hal->eject = libhal_drive_requires_eject (hd);
>
> The SVN changeset for revision 25647 shows that Benny did it in the
> same way:
>
> + /* check if the drive requires eject */
> + volume_hal->requires_eject = libhal_drive_requires_eject (hd);
>
> However, all the devices that previously had an eject button in the
> context menu don't have it anymore with 4.4.2. I checked the lshal
> output and the eject property is still there for the device:
>
> storage.requires_eject = true (bool)
>
> I noticed that the changes done by Benny use a function
> thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable(), whereas I just modified
> thunar_vfs_volume_is_disc() to return true for devices with the eject
> flag.
>
> I assume that the new eject feature in 4.4.2 is tested and working, I
> just don't know _how_ it works. Can anyone enlighten me what I have to
> do to get the eject button back for my iPod, card reader etc.?
Hm, there seems to be an error in thunar-shortcuts-view.c. The "Eject
Volume" action is only added for discs. Try the attached patch.
> Regards,
> Tino
Benedikt
Index: thunar-shortcuts-view.c
===
--- thunar-shortcuts-view.c (revision 26428)
+++ thunar-shortcuts-view.c (working copy)
@@ -834,13 +834,12 @@
gtk_menu_shell_append (GTK_MENU_SHELL (menu), item);
gtk_widget_show (item);
- /* check if the volume is a disc */
- if (thunar_vfs_volume_is_disc (volume))
+ /* check if the volume is ejectable */
+ if (thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable (volume))
{
/* append the "Eject Volume" menu action */
item = gtk_image_menu_item_new_with_mnemonic (_("E_ject Volume"));
g_signal_connect_swapped (G_OBJECT (item), "activate", G_CALLBACK (thunar_shortcuts_view_eject), view);
- gtk_widget_set_sensitive (item, thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable (volume));
gtk_menu_shell_append (GTK_MENU_SHELL (menu), item);
gtk_widget_show (item);
}
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[Thunar-dev] How to use the eject function
Hi, the changelog for Thunar 0.9.0 mentions this: --- Use the correct HAL property to determine whether a given volume or device requires eject (Bug #3119). --- As I wasn't aware that #3119 was already fixed in SVN, I opened #3466 and created my own fix. It asks HAL for the eject flag: + /* an eject menu entry is shown if this returns true */ + volume_hal->eject = libhal_drive_requires_eject (hd); The SVN changeset for revision 25647 shows that Benny did it in the same way: + /* check if the drive requires eject */ + volume_hal->requires_eject = libhal_drive_requires_eject (hd); However, all the devices that previously had an eject button in the context menu don't have it anymore with 4.4.2. I checked the lshal output and the eject property is still there for the device: storage.requires_eject = true (bool) I noticed that the changes done by Benny use a function thunar_vfs_volume_is_ejectable(), whereas I just modified thunar_vfs_volume_is_disc() to return true for devices with the eject flag. I assume that the new eject feature in 4.4.2 is tested and working, I just don't know _how_ it works. Can anyone enlighten me what I have to do to get the eject button back for my iPod, card reader etc.? Regards, Tino ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
