[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the spurious line feed? If I write: :indent ::double indent :::triple indent I get: indent double indent triple indent -- but it

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Neil Griffin
Perhaps, but the backslash was just meant as an example (I'm sure people here other than me have a better idea of what character combinations are available). Maybe \n would be more acceptable. Incidentally, a suitable character could even be used in the middle of a line of WikiText if needed

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Stephan Hradek
Question: You came across this? http://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi The standard (as far as there is one) is to use a double backslash: http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/LineBreaks regards On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen wrote: Hi, Warning: newbie here... When editing a tiddler, I write e.g This is line one.

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi And in markdown: you end the line with two or more spaces, then type return -- which I think looks much better than a pair of trailing backslashes. regards On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen wrote: Hi, Warning: newbie here... When editing a

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
you end the line with two or more spaces, then type return I'm not a huge fan of invisible formatting as it makes it very hard to visually scan content. The standard (as far as there is one) is to use a double backslash: http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/LineBreaks The Creole syntax isn't quite

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the spurious line feed? TiddlyWiki just spits out plain HTML DL/DD elements. The additional linespacing comes from the default CSS built into

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy In that case, there appears to be a bug -- because: ddsome text/dd some text/dd/dd ddsome text/dd/dd/dd -- doesn't generate spurious blank lines, whereas: :some text ::some text :::some text -- does. regards On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:59:10 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Also -- try this: Some text ddsome text/dd some text/dd/dd ddsome text/dd/dd/dd Some text :some text ::some text :::some text regards On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:59:10 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Hi Matabele A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:57:26 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: The Creole syntax isn't quite what I expected. They use double backslash on their own, so that this example would contain a linebreak: Some\\thing I'd expected the linebreak to be triggered by a double backslash

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele In that case, there appears to be a bug -- because: ddsome text/dd some text/dd/dd ddsome text/dd/dd/dd The HTML generated by TW5 actually looks like this: dlddsome textdlddsome textdlddsome text/dd/dl/dd/dl/dd/dl The blank lines are coming from the default margin on

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele It appears that dd elements may be used on their own (at least in the text field of TW5.) It is, therefore, unnecessary to add the dl tags around dd elements. Although dd elements work on their own, it is not valid HTML5 as I understand it:

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy 1. A dt http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element element's end tag http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#syntax-end-tag may be omitted if the dt http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element element is immediately followed by another dt

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Stephan Hradek
Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 13:47:16 UTC+2 schrieb Matabele: Hi Jeremy 1. A dt http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element element's end tag http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#syntax-end-tag may be omitted if the dt

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 2:28:06 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Hi Matabele, Stephan It's not the trailing tags that result in the spurious blank lines. It's the browsers default CSS. I'm still confused -- why then when I write: dl ddsome text/dd some text/dd/dd

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele I'm still confused -- why then when I write: dl ddsome text/dd some text/dd/dd ddsome text/dd/dd/dd /dl -- is the output different to: :some text ::some text :::some text In the second case, it appears to be extra trailing /dl tags that cause the spurious

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Stephan Hradek
Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 15:11:55 UTC+2 schrieb Matabele: I'm still confused -- why then when I write: dl ddsome text/dd some text/dd/dd ddsome text/dd/dd/dd /dl -- is the output different to: :some text ::some text :::some text Is it? I just created a New Tiddler on

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi I get: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5LS2Y8jHXzE/U71TXRPYeAI/AcE/k_QsyNywS00/s1600/rendering.jpg.jpg regards On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:13:16 PM UTC+2, Stephan Hradek wrote: Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 15:11:55 UTC+2 schrieb Matabele: I'm still confused -- why then when I

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
The examples render the same in Firefox and differently in Chrome. The reason is as I stated above: the extra margin comes from the browsers built in default CSS styles. These styles are often slightly different between browsers; that's the purpose of the stylesheet normalise that we use (

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-08 Thread Neil Griffin
Sorry - coming slightly late to this discussion. I just started using TW a couple of weeks ago, and still getting to grips. Really liking it so far, but much to learn to make sure it stays useful as my tiddlercount grows. This single linebreak issue has been bugging me too. I can see the

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-08 Thread Matabele
Hi If you can put up with the indent -- the wikitext syntax for definitions may be used like this: ;Title :Line1 :Line2 and later :Another line :And another regards On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:30:20 PM UTC+2, Neil Griffin wrote: Sorry - coming slightly late to this discussion. I just

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-06-03 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Andrew If you want to be able to type a literal linebreak then I'd recommend using br; there's no performance difference with including the slash. Both forms will always be supported in TW5 because they are part of the basic HTML tags in wikitext feature. Best wishes Jeremy On Mon, Jun 2,

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-06-02 Thread andrew.j.harrison84
Just when you thought this thread was done. Please forgive me if this was previously answered but which functions best with TW5 going forward for line-breaks? br or br/ or something else? I'm wondering if there is any performance differences for each or if anyone knows best practice or what

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-30 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I meant to add one key difference between MarkDown and TW5 WikiText; in MarkDown: Note that Markdown formatting syntax is not processed within block-level HTML tags. E.g., you can’t use Markdown-style *emphasis* inside an HTML block. Meanwhile TW5 *does* process wikitext within block-level HTML

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-29 Thread Alex V
Single line breaks is not part of GFMhttps://help.github.com/articles/github-flavored-markdown, it is part of the additional features of writing on Githubhttps://help.github.com/articles/writing-on-github . I am in favor of implemented the GFM features, but implementing single line breaks

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-29 Thread Matabele
Hi A suggestion -- perhaps several syntax rules could be changed within a fenced block, thus respecting both linebreaks and wikitext rendering within the block. Only the use of html need then be precluded from a fenced block. Apologies in advance if this presents a rendering problem -- I am

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-29 Thread BJ
Hi Thomas, I have ported the ckeditor to tiddlywiki (its not part of the core functionality), which gives full styling WYSIWYG, but at present it does not support the features of tw5, such as wikiwords. See the 'VisualEditor' here http://bjhacks.tiddlyspot.com/ All the best BJ On Wednesday,

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-28 Thread Kolya
It's a factual standard established by how the majority of online editors work. Another standard is that some people will rather play dumb instead of openly disagreeing. That should sound familiar to you. On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 00:56:28 UTC+2, Stephan Hradek wrote: Am Montag, 26. Mai

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-28 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I don't think sarcasm should have a place in this forum, and I'm disappointed to see it being used. This community is drawn from all the corners of the globe, with individuals coming together with a wide range of backgrounds. I'm convinced that the only way for it to work harmoniously is for us

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-28 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Yesterday I checked few TWC and they gave me an idea : what about a secondary button that displays a different edit mode? Maybe using a different edit text widget where with a different set of rules. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-28 Thread PMario
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:27:50 PM UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: Yesterday I checked few TWC and they gave me an idea : what about a secondary button that displays a different edit mode? Maybe using a different edit text widget where with a different set of rules. It's not an editing

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-28 Thread Stephan Hradek
Am Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014 11:14:17 UTC+2 schrieb Kolya: It's a factual standard established by how the majority of online editors work. Ah. Okay. So it's not a written standard but the impression you got from your experience. I really hoped there is some standard defined because handling

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Maybe I need a rethink about it. Sometimes I want to separate information clearly in the same paragraph. Maybe I'm not managing the information well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-26 Thread Kolya
Have to agree. There's a standard how webeditors handle linebreaks. Heck, this editor I'm writing this reply in uses the standard. But TiddlyWiki needs to invent its own? Is there any good reason for this? Kolya On Monday, 5 May 2014 11:37:49 UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: There is

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-26 Thread Ton Gerner
Hi Kolya, See https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/443 Cheers, Ton On Monday, May 26, 2014 4:10:56 PM UTC+2, Kolya wrote: Have to agree. There's a standard how webeditors handle linebreaks. Heck, this editor I'm writing this reply in uses the standard. But TiddlyWiki needs

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-26 Thread Stephan Hradek
Am Sonntag, 4. Mai 2014 20:08:56 UTC+2 schrieb Danielo Rodríguez: This could be little pain in the ass. Specially for technical documents. Sometimes you want a line break but not a new paragraph. I learned from a colleague, who is a technical writer, that you should think about why you

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-05 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
There is nothing wrong. It is just ugly. It is not just add the tag. HTML tags are not supported currently. El domingo, 4 de mayo de 2014 11:53:23 UTC-7, Ton Gerner escribió: Hi Danielo, What's wrong with br? Add it to your keyboard shortcuts plugin. Cheers, Ton On Sunday, May 4,

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-04 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
This could be little pain in the ass. Specially for technical documents. Sometimes you want a line break but not a new paragraph. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-04 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
This could be little pain in the ass. Specially for technical documents. Sometimes you want a line break but not a new paragraph. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-04 Thread Ton Gerner
Hi Danielo, What's wrong with br? Add it to your keyboard shortcuts plugin. Cheers, Ton On Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:08:56 PM UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: This could be little pain in the ass. Specially for technical documents. Sometimes you want a line break but not a new paragraph. --

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-05-01 Thread Måns
Aaah - Nice tricks for effective writing! Tanks a lot Matabele :-) Cheers Måns Mårtensson Den onsdag den 30. april 2014 20.32.40 UTC+2 skrev Matabele: Hi If you don't mind an indent, a quick method I often employ is an abuse of the wikitext for definitions; after a lone semicolon is

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-04-30 Thread Stephan Hradek
Try This is line one. This in line two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-04-30 Thread Matabele
Hi If you don't mind an indent, a quick method I often employ is an abuse of the wikitext for definitions; after a lone semicolon is placed somewhere - colons can be used anywhere to place lines one after the other (but indented.) ; :This is line 1 :This is line 2 I also abuse the semicolon