[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-14 Thread Dave
Thanks for that info Danielo, would you mind posting a link to that? On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 1:50:36 AM UTC-6, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: El lunes, 11 de mayo de 2015, 19:06:43 (UTC+2), Dave escribió: My holy grail would be tiddlers as text files in one folder with one or more TWs as

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-12 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
El lunes, 11 de mayo de 2015, 19:06:43 (UTC+2), Dave escribió: My holy grail would be tiddlers as text files in one folder with one or more TWs as front ends that could access them. I've intended to dive deeper into the node.js (can't remember why it didn't work for me when I tried it

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-11 Thread Dave
My holy grail would be tiddlers as text files in one folder with one or more TWs as front ends that could access them. I've intended to dive deeper into the node.js (can't remember why it didn't work for me when I tried it a year ago or so) option. I think at some point I discovered that

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-08 Thread Matabele
Hi Danielo Another idea that gets around many of the sync issues: a dropzone which links to another remote TiddlyWiki across the net. I write a tiddler, then drag and drop it onto the linked dropzone -- and it appears in the story river of the remote TW. I could have various dropzones linked

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-08 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
El viernes, 8 de mayo de 2015, 5:51:31 (UTC+2), Matabele escribió: Hi On Friday, May 8, 2015 at 3:14:43 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: What is needed is an app with a front-end like TW but with a data back-end like laverna. I also agree with that This has been my dream for TW5 -- TW

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-08 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello David, I think you may be interested on the workflow described in this comment: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1676#issuecomment-98241857 I am interested in fact. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread Jeremy Ruston
All the mentioned apps are awesome and very useful. But I always end up using tiddlywiky. That's why is so important for me to provide sync and mobile apps. All of this applications claim their are unique, an probably they are, but tiddlywiky is unique and uniquely customizable. One thing

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello, All the mentioned apps are awesome and very useful. But I always end up using tiddlywiky. That's why is so important for me to provide sync and mobile apps. All of this applications claim their are unique, an probably they are, but tiddlywiky is unique and uniquely customizable. --

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello, All the mentioned apps are awesome and very useful. But I always end up using tiddlywiky. That's why is so important for me to provide sync and mobile apps. All of this applications claim their are unique, an probably they are, but tiddlywiky is unique and uniquely customizable. --

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread David Gifford
Very nice, Gingko app! And Trello reminds me of Google Wave a little bit... Dave On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone I admire Workflowy very much. For me, it's in the same category as Trello: they are both services that are essentially

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello, All the mentioned apps are awesome and very useful. But I always end up using tiddlywiky. That's why is so important for me to provide sync and mobile apps. All of this applications claim their are unique, an probably they are, but tiddlywiky is unique and uniquely customizable. --

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread Florian Cauvin
The advantage of TiddlyWiki over those apps is that it's free software and my content stays mine, I don't need to trust any third-party. Wiki format is almost like plain text, so even in the unlikely case that TiddlyWiki disappears or evolve in a direction I don't like, I can always salvage my

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread David Gifford
Hi all Just three quick comments: 1. This thread has wandered off course from a question about whether something is possible in TW5, to a discussion of other tools. The wandering happened quite naturally and appropriately as people mentioned alternate ways of doing what I asked about TW

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread David Gifford
cool! thanks for that good news, Jeremy. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David Workflowy offers OPML export (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPML); we could fairly easily write an importer for TiddlyWiki that would allow outlines to be imported

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
There's another new project out there called laverna (https://laverna.cc/). It's open source, written in javascript, and stores it's data on your local machine in a real database (sqlite, I think). It looks a lot like Simplenote, but can store images. It's got a really nifty editor for

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread Matabele
Hi On Friday, May 8, 2015 at 3:14:43 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: What is needed is an app with a front-end like TW but with a data back-end like laverna. This has been my dream for TW5 -- TW with data stored in a local restful db which: -- automatically syncs with a server based db whenever

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread David Gifford
Yes, that is one of the drawbacks to my adopting Workflowy. I am going to use it for my personal academic text notes but I will print to pdf or paste into Word as I finish topics and projects, just in case they decide to close their doors someday. I won't put anything on it I am afraid to lose.

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi David Workflowy offers OPML export (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPML); we could fairly easily write an importer for TiddlyWiki that would allow outlines to be imported as tiddlers properly tagged for the TOC macro. Best wishes Jeremy. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:20 PM, David Gifford

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-07 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Everyone I admire Workflowy very much. For me, it's in the same category as Trello: they are both services that are essentially based on a single feature (in both cases, beautifully and thoughtfully implemented). And in both cases, TiddlyWiki aspires to allow users to be able to duplicate

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-06 Thread Matabele
Hi You might find the ideas from this site http://www.cyborganize.org/clarity/what-is-cyborganize/ of interest. Essentially, WordPress blogs are used for journalling, and clips are then moved into TiddlyWiki as raw ideas require massaging into information. I run my personal Wordpress

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-06 Thread David Gifford
Thanks Matabele, ...for introducing me to Cyborganize, which focused on BrainStormWFO, a very nice tool. This set me to researching newer outlining tools. My favorite, hands down, of the various tools I saw was workflowy.com. I took some notes I had researched recently and in a very short

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-06 Thread David Gifford
Thanks back, Matabele, for the mentions of these other tools. Gitbook looks interesting for publishing. Hmmm Yeah, a workflowy plugin would be really cool! But for me the advantage of workflowy is the unlimited levels of lists. I can basically put every text note I ever take into it, with links

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-06 Thread Matabele
Hi Thanks for that -- nice piece of software! From there I found Slack https://slack.com/ -- which looks to be a superior collaboration tool -- syncs nicely across all devices. I'll give both a try -- promising. I've been using Evernote, Pushbullet and Gitbook (synced with btsync), for this

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-06 Thread Jed Carty
WorkFlowy looks interesting. I have been trying to make something like that for TiddlyWiki so I can integrate it with my calendar plugin. I am hoping that making the category lists, calendar and menus play well together will result in something with similar features. I think that everything in

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-06 Thread Matabele
Hi Both the WorkFlowy app for iPhone and the app for Chrome can be used offline; and sync when the device goes online (or so the website claims -- I haven't tested this out yet.) regards On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 5:15:49 AM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote: Thanks back, Matabele, for the

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
It sounds like a job for Simplenote, or something similar. With a click, you can share a markdown formatted note as an HTML formatted static page. How are you sharing these small sub-pages now? Paste into Email? Separate server? Mark On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-7, David Gifford

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread David Gifford
Hi Mark, I am sharing them via my website on Dreamhost. I will have to look at Simplenote again to see what you mean. I remember it not being the tool I wanted when looking at it a while back. Dave On Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com wrote: It

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Hi Dave, It sounds like what you want is Webdav. Since you have your server, you might be able to set up Webdav. Webdav is supposed to let you edit a web-page in place. It needs special settings on the server to make it happen (usually you specify certain directories for it). You may have to

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
For personal use, there's nothing quite as flexible as TW. But it doesn't scale up without problems. Something like Simiplenote makes it easy to quickly publish and update information meant for consumption by others. A published (static) page updates whenever the corresponding note in

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Dave Interesting ideas. My feedback may seem discouragingly negative; working in the browser is subject to brutal restrictions and limitations which hinder the plans of mice and men. But over the years we've found many cracks and oddities that have enabled us to stretch the platform beyond

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mark, Andreas Minor corrections: in a TW EVERY tiddler is ALWAYS loaded, meaning that while you can store a million tiddlers in a wiki, these million tiddlers are completely loaded into memory and parsed out from the html, when you open the wiki TiddlyWiki already supports externally

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread David Gifford
Hi Jeremy and others, Just getting home for the day from teaching. 1. I didn't take your comments as negative in any way. And I have no personal investment in this discussion. I am just throwing out an idea to see if something sticks to it or not. 2. Simplenote, looking at it again, is pretty

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Hi Jeremy, My understanding -- correct me if I'm wrong -- is that even if you use node.js it's going to serve up all the tiddlers on the client side. So it doesn't scale up any better than just a TW file by itself. The performance may not be bad on a desktop machine, but over a phone

Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mark My understanding -- correct me if I'm wrong -- is that even if you use node.js it's going to serve up all the tiddlers on the client side. So it doesn't scale up any better than just a TW file by itself. The performance may not be bad on a desktop machine, but over a phone connection

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-04 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Hi David, Yes, a weakness of TW is that it doesn't scale well. What is the advantage of linking to static files? I guess there's a little less overhead in terms of javascript, but now you have to use the search function to wade through the text. And you have to figure out a way to get new

[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

2015-05-04 Thread David Gifford
Thanks Andreas and Mark, for your feedback. Andreas, you are right that my idea does not fit well with the normal usage of TW, one file with everything in it. That is why I called it an inside out TiddlyWiki. I think of this as a special use case for organizing massive amounts of notes, images