[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread PMario
Welcome Hugh,
Sounds nice.

Is there a link, where we can see a working copy, with some intro
stuff?
-m
PS: the github tiddlyspace preso2 repo has no Issues tab. I'll use
your repo in the meantime.

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[tw] Re: Question regarding createTiddlyButton function

2011-09-30 Thread Tobias Beer
Could you post the whole thing (into a pastebin for readability) and
not just the stuff around createTiddlyButton?
Because there are some ltr and listnsf and we have no idea what those
refer to.

Cheers, Tobias

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[tw] Re: Question regarding createTiddlyButton function

2011-09-30 Thread whatever
Hi!

I posted the code on Pastebin (1). The original script is on
TiddlySpot (2). The inital error is because this tiddler is
transcluded by various ViewTemplates.

(1) http://pastebin.com/1h9kUNqP
(2) http://tiddlymarks.tiddlyspot.com/#AddTagsScripts

w

On Sep 30, 9:31 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Could you post the whole thing (into a pastebin for readability) and
 not just the stuff around createTiddlyButton?
 Because there are some ltr and listnsf and we have no idea what those
 refer to.

 Cheers, Tobias

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[tw] Re: Question regarding createTiddlyButton function

2011-09-30 Thread whatever
I suppose I should mention that the script is used by the Change
folder and Change group buttons. You can see them in action by
clicking on any folder in the Bookmarks or Groups trees on the left
(except the root Groups folder), in the Favorites folder or when
viewing link tiddlers directly.
w

On Sep 30, 10:40 am, whatever kbrezov...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 I posted the code on Pastebin (1). The original script is on
 TiddlySpot (2). The inital error is because this tiddler is
 transcluded by various ViewTemplates.

 (1)http://pastebin.com/1h9kUNqP
 (2)http://tiddlymarks.tiddlyspot.com/#AddTagsScripts

 w

 On Sep 30, 9:31 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote:



  Could you post the whole thing (into a pastebin for readability) and
  not just the stuff around createTiddlyButton?
  Because there are some ltr and listnsf and we have no idea what those
  refer to.

  Cheers, Tobias

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[tw] Re: Question regarding createTiddlyButton function

2011-09-30 Thread PMario
Hi whatever,
I did several example plugins [1] that exactly show, how to create
buttons and use them as macros or within Templates.

Inline script plugin is great, for fast prototyping and proof of
concept. But I think, you should start to create TW plugins.

Have a look at them in this order:

HelloWorldButtonPlugin
HelloWorldNamedParamsPlugin
HelloWorldManyParamsPlugin

have fun!
-m
[1] http://helloworld.tiddlyspace.com/

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread hugheth
preso2.tiddlyspace.com/preso2 currently shows a working Preso 2 space,
with some tips,
but has a few bugs so expect unexpected behaviour! This will be the
main space for
documentation in the future.

Personally, I would prefer you use my repo to post Issues as this is
the original copy
and is the repo currently used when deploying TiddlySpace

On Sep 30, 7:59 am, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:
 Welcome Hugh,
 Sounds nice.

 Is there a link, where we can see a working copy, with some intro
 stuff?
 -m
 PS: the github tiddlyspace preso2 repo has no Issues tab. I'll use
 your repo in the meantime.

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread Måns
Hi Hugh

Thank you for your work on Preso2 :-)
It looks nice!! Great job!!

Some (not very humble - I'm afraid...) requests/hopes for the
development of the interface:
I think it should be able to:
1) Wikify fETs (foreachtiddler generated lists and tables)
There are many macros that I would like to see rendered as usefull
tools in Preso2-mode: i.e. nestedSliders (from TiddlyTools.com) ... or
will it only be able to render simple text/links?
2) Show/render binary tiddlers ie images correctly...
3) Open the currently open tiddlers (maybe from a permalink?) I guess
it would rely on some generic template for placement and sizes which
would work on a number of tiddlers..
4) I'd like to translate the close-button into my own language
(danish) - ?
5) Forward - rewind hotkeys?
6) Change position, size (maybe even skewing?) in realtime/Preso2
mode - which might get recorded to a MyMap tiddler and saved?
7) Hotkeys for navigation and some kind of playlist where you could
jump to a slide/tiddler clicking on the title...
8) Stylesheet(s) to be able to change layout - colors, borders etc...


Cheers Måns Mårtensson

On 30 Sep., 00:14, hugheth thehugh...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Preso 2

 Hello all,

 I'm a university computer science student just going into my second
 year, and I've recently been doing an internship with Osmosoft. During
 my time there, I've worked on a new TiddlySpace application, Preso
 2.

 Preso 2 is a Zoomable User Interface that takes your tiddlers and
 displays them on a 2-dimensional plane in different positions and
 sizes. Moving around the plane is made easy by dragging the
 background, or clicking on specific tiddlers to zoom to them.
 Clicking on the background zooms out to display all the tiddlers.

 The positions and dimensions of tiddlers are stored in the tiddler
 MyMap, which you will need to create and experiment with if you want
 to customize the positions of tiddlers in Preso 2. The title of each
 tiddler to be positioned should be placed on a separate line in MyMap,
 followed by its x position, y position, width  height measured in
 pixels and written in that order, separated by spaces. (e.g.
 HelloThere 100 200 500 400)

 The application is a development from Preso (preso.tiddlyspace.com)
 and aims to take its functionality and package it into a TiddlySpace
 app. There are a number of reasons why this was important:

 - A TiddlySpace app is a unique way of presenting tiddlers in your
 space. The original Preso instead modified your space's TiddlyWiki so
 you could no longer use TiddlyWiki in its own right. Now, Preso is a
 completely separate application.

 - Preso 2 is built on new Tiddlyweb APIs so it no longer relies on
 TiddlyWiki to work. This has a number of advantages, such as lazy
 loading of tiddlers which allows Preso 2 to start much quicker, and
 provides a reference for future developers of TiddlySpace apps.

 - Preso 2 is built with open source libraries Zoomooz and jQuery
 Touché that bring mult-touch support to iOS and Android portable
 devices.

 If you have a space on TiddlySpace, you can now access Preso 2 from
 the app switcher in the top right of the page, or go to
 yourspace.tiddlyspace.com/present. The app currently has limited
 functionality and no editing features, so you will have to edit
 tiddlers in TiddlyWiki or Take Note, but this functionality is
 planned.

 The project is available on GitHub so developers can fork it or
 include the preso2.tiddlyspace.com space and edit the tiddlers to
 experiment. It would be real great to get some feedback on the
 project, and what you'd like to see Preso 2 do, so do please report
 your findings in this discussion.

 Thanks,
 Hugh

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread Måns
 - continued:

Idea:
I like the collapse when clicking title feature - However I think it
might serve a purpose better than just hiding content:
I believe it would be very nice if collapsing a tiddler changed the
title into a/the list of titles of all tiddlers in the presentation.
Click a new title and you're continuing the presentation from the new
title??

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

On 30 Sep., 12:45, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Hugh

 Thank you for your work on Preso2 :-)
 It looks nice!! Great job!!

 Some (not very humble - I'm afraid...) requests/hopes for the
 development of the interface:
 I think it should be able to:
 1) Wikify fETs (foreachtiddler generated lists and tables)
 There are many macros that I would like to see rendered as usefull
 tools in Preso2-mode: i.e. nestedSliders (from TiddlyTools.com) ... or
 will it only be able to render simple text/links?
 2) Show/render binary tiddlers ie images correctly...
 3) Open the currently open tiddlers (maybe from a permalink?) I guess
 it would rely on some generic template for placement and sizes which
 would work on a number of tiddlers..
 4) I'd like to translate the close-button into my own language
 (danish) - ?
 5) Forward - rewind hotkeys?
 6) Change position, size (maybe even skewing?) in realtime/Preso2
 mode - which might get recorded to a MyMap tiddler and saved?
 7) Hotkeys for navigation and some kind of playlist where you could
 jump to a slide/tiddler clicking on the title...
 8) Stylesheet(s) to be able to change layout - colors, borders etc...

 Cheers Måns Mårtensson

 On 30 Sep., 00:14, hugheth thehugh...@googlemail.com wrote:







  Preso 2

  Hello all,

  I'm a university computer science student just going into my second
  year, and I've recently been doing an internship with Osmosoft. During
  my time there, I've worked on a new TiddlySpace application, Preso
  2.

  Preso 2 is a Zoomable User Interface that takes your tiddlers and
  displays them on a 2-dimensional plane in different positions and
  sizes. Moving around the plane is made easy by dragging the
  background, or clicking on specific tiddlers to zoom to them.
  Clicking on the background zooms out to display all the tiddlers.

  The positions and dimensions of tiddlers are stored in the tiddler
  MyMap, which you will need to create and experiment with if you want
  to customize the positions of tiddlers in Preso 2. The title of each
  tiddler to be positioned should be placed on a separate line in MyMap,
  followed by its x position, y position, width  height measured in
  pixels and written in that order, separated by spaces. (e.g.
  HelloThere 100 200 500 400)

  The application is a development from Preso (preso.tiddlyspace.com)
  and aims to take its functionality and package it into a TiddlySpace
  app. There are a number of reasons why this was important:

  - A TiddlySpace app is a unique way of presenting tiddlers in your
  space. The original Preso instead modified your space's TiddlyWiki so
  you could no longer use TiddlyWiki in its own right. Now, Preso is a
  completely separate application.

  - Preso 2 is built on new Tiddlyweb APIs so it no longer relies on
  TiddlyWiki to work. This has a number of advantages, such as lazy
  loading of tiddlers which allows Preso 2 to start much quicker, and
  provides a reference for future developers of TiddlySpace apps.

  - Preso 2 is built with open source libraries Zoomooz and jQuery
  Touché that bring mult-touch support to iOS and Android portable
  devices.

  If you have a space on TiddlySpace, you can now access Preso 2 from
  the app switcher in the top right of the page, or go to
  yourspace.tiddlyspace.com/present. The app currently has limited
  functionality and no editing features, so you will have to edit
  tiddlers in TiddlyWiki or Take Note, but this functionality is
  planned.

  The project is available on GitHub so developers can fork it or
  include the preso2.tiddlyspace.com space and edit the tiddlers to
  experiment. It would be real great to get some feedback on the
  project, and what you'd like to see Preso 2 do, so do please report
  your findings in this discussion.

  Thanks,
  Hugh

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[tw] X-plore

2011-09-30 Thread Cyrill
Hi all, specially Tobias Beer


How to integrate the plugin Xplore http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#desk
(xplore in the toolbar) to Tiddlyspace ??

I think that the core uses another Java Version ...

TX

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread hugheth
Thanks for all the interest! Very great, I'll put time in when I can
to work
on your requests.

1)  TiddlySpace Applications such as preso2 rely on twikifier to
produce an HTML representation of tiddlers. This currently doesn't
have the ability to deal with macros, though I gather this
functionality is planned. As is such, no macros will currently work in
preso2, until changes to twikifier are made.

2) Again, functionality such as twikifier should be handling this at a
lower level below preso2. Can you file this as an issue at
https://github.com/Hugheth/preso2/ explaining what you (presumably)
found so I can comment further? Cheers.

3) Open the currently open tiddlers (maybe from a permalink?) Please
can you expand I don't think I quite understand? Do you mean open them
in TiddlyWiki? Or from tiddlyWiki to Preso2? A permalink functionality
is planned, so you can snapshot your view and post the URL to
others.

4) Great suggestion. Though the localization techniques will differ
from TiddlyWiki's, something similar for Preso 2 is definitely needed.

5) Planned.

6) Strongly planned :D

7) Planned. Original Preso navigated Main Menu with arrow keys. Though
I think this is cool, the ability to have custom playlists would
also be mighty handy.

8) Planned. These will most likely come in the form PresoCSS and
PresoJavascript in the same way the HTML serialization currently uses
HtmlCSS and HtmlJavascript for modifications.

Cheers

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread hugheth
Idea:
I like the collapse when clicking title feature - However I think
it
might serve a purpose better than just hiding content:
I believe it would be very nice if collapsing a tiddler changed the
title into a/the list of titles of all tiddlers in the presentation.
Click a new title and you're continuing the presentation from the new
title??

I can't quite figure how this fits with the idea of a ZUI.
Tiddlers each have a predefined location and replacing a tiddler
with
another one seems to defeat this? The list of tiddlers in a
presentation
is all the tiddlers in your space, which is typically going to be very
large,
so would take some time to navigate through.

I think maybe this points to a current lack of a control panel that
extends the ways that you can navigate and interact with Preso 2,
which
is planned.

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread Måns
Hi Hugh

 I can't quite figure how this fits with the idea of a ZUI.
 Tiddlers each have a predefined location and replacing a tiddler
 with another one seems to defeat this? The list of tiddlers in a
 presentation
 is all the tiddlers in your space, which is typically going to be very
 large,
 so would take some time to navigate through.

I thought it was the MyMap tiddler which defined which tiddlers were
to be part of a presentation - not all tiddlers?
It seems to work like that at the moment...

When I add parameters to each tiddlertitle in the MyMap list - I'm
doing it blindfolded - I won't know what the outcome is untill I see
the result - and I can't do anything about it untill I revert back to
the wiki-mode representation...

Just some thoughts on templating a slideshow:
What I suggest is some kind of template to apply to listed titles in
MyMap (list by tag or any kind of handcrafted or autogenerated list)
- the template should be preconfigured to assure that no tiddler is
conflicting with any other tiddler (on x/y axis) and you might even
have a randomize zoomlevel function wich delivers a pleasant and
varied flow of tiddler representations...

 I think maybe this points to a current lack of a control panel that
 extends the ways that you can navigate and interact with Preso 2,
 which
 is planned.

I look forward to it :-)

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread hugheth
MyMap only defines where tiddlers are positioned. If you try to open
a tiddler that isn't defined in MyMap, it will appear at a random
location.

When I add parameters to each tiddlertitle in the MyMap list - I'm
doing it blindfolded - I won't know what the outcome is untill I see
the result - and I can't do anything about it untill I revert back to
the wiki-mode representation...

As mentioned before, this is an issue because editing functionality
hasn't
been added yet. This is relatively simple to do however and I'm
expecting
to support this, even simply, soon. Building a presentation will
simply mean
dragging the tiddlers around into the correct positions and resizing
to suit
ones needs. I'm not planning on adding extra functionality to the
random
positioner, though if this was ever deemed useful members of the
tiddlyspace
community might code it into the application.

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[tw] Ticklers not saving on Tiddlyspace

2011-09-30 Thread Greg Scher
Does anyone have any thoughts on why ticklers might not be SAVING on 
TIddlyspace?  I can create them, but when I update something (e.g. change a 
date, mark it complete, etc...) it doesn't seem to trigger the change event 
which requires a save. Instead, no matter what I do, one I create the 
tickler, the only thing I can do is delete it.  I am running MGSD 3.1.8c

Any thoughts appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread Måns
Hi Hugh

 MyMap only defines where tiddlers are positioned. If you try to open
 a tiddler that isn't defined in MyMap, it will appear at a random
 location.

Ok.

 When I add parameters to each tiddlertitle in the MyMap list - I'm
 doing it blindfolded - I won't know what the outcome is untill I see
 the result - and I can't do anything about it untill I revert back to
 the wiki-mode representation...

 As mentioned before, this is an issue because editing functionality
 hasn't been added yet. This is relatively simple to do however and I'm
 expecting to support this, even simply, soon. Building a presentation will
 simply mean dragging the tiddlers around into the correct positions and 
 resizing
 to suit ones needs.

GREAT :-P

 I'm not planning on adding extra functionality to the
 random positioner, though if this was ever deemed useful members of the 
 tiddlyspace
 community might code it into the application.

Ok.

I get an empty presentation if I don't write MyMap in Default tiddlers
-
It would be nice if Preso2 handled MyMap as if it WAS default tiddlers
and you didn't have to change your original DefaultTiddlers tiddler.
My default tiddlers are sometimes all tiddlers tagged with a certain
tag ie.: [tag[topic]][notag[excludeLists]][sort[-modified]]
[limit[5]]

My request for some kind of a template has a similar origin - If I
would like to create a MyMap list from tiddlers tagged with a certain
tag i.e.: list filter [tag[someTag]][sort[-created]] - then I
would need some kind of template to take care of positioning of each
(autogenerated) listitem... But then again it would require macros to
work in Preso2...

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions :-)

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread hugheth
Of course if you didn't want tiddlers in DefaultTiddlers to appear you
could always hide them off the screen...

I see your point with autogeneration of positions. My first reaction
is that
this could be solved with stackable tiddlers and carousels and all
this cool 3d-plane
stuff :)

On Sep 30, 3:32 pm, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Hugh

  MyMap only defines where tiddlers are positioned. If you try to open
  a tiddler that isn't defined in MyMap, it will appear at a random
  location.

 Ok.

  When I add parameters to each tiddlertitle in the MyMap list - I'm
  doing it blindfolded - I won't know what the outcome is untill I see
  the result - and I can't do anything about it untill I revert back to
  the wiki-mode representation...

  As mentioned before, this is an issue because editing functionality
  hasn't been added yet. This is relatively simple to do however and I'm
  expecting to support this, even simply, soon. Building a presentation will
  simply mean dragging the tiddlers around into the correct positions and 
  resizing
  to suit ones needs.

 GREAT :-P

  I'm not planning on adding extra functionality to the
  random positioner, though if this was ever deemed useful members of the 
  tiddlyspace
  community might code it into the application.

 Ok.

 I get an empty presentation if I don't write MyMap in Default tiddlers
 -
 It would be nice if Preso2 handled MyMap as if it WAS default tiddlers
 and you didn't have to change your original DefaultTiddlers tiddler.
 My default tiddlers are sometimes all tiddlers tagged with a certain
 tag ie.: [tag[topic]][notag[excludeLists]][sort[-modified]]
 [limit[5]]

 My request for some kind of a template has a similar origin - If I
 would like to create a MyMap list from tiddlers tagged with a certain
 tag i.e.: list filter [tag[someTag]][sort[-created]] - then I
 would need some kind of template to take care of positioning of each
 (autogenerated) listitem... But then again it would require macros to
 work in Preso2...

 Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions :-)

 Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread hugheth
The latest nightly build of preso2 is available at
preso2.tiddlyspace.com/present-dev.

If you want to use it, include preso2 in your space and navigate to
yourspace.tiddlyspace.com/present-dev

:)

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[tw] Re: Preso 2 - a default TiddlySpace application

2011-09-30 Thread Eric Shulman
 I think maybe this points to a current lack of a control panel that
 extends the ways that you can navigate and interact with Preso 2,
 which is planned.

Take a look at my Moveable Quickstart document:
   http://www.TiddlyTools.com/quickstart/moveable.html

In particular, you may be interested in the Panel Manager Popup
Menu (ALT-click on the background).  It provides many ways to
navigate, including menus to auto-scroll to any displayed tiddler,
compass navigators for quickly moving tiddlers around as well as
scrolling the page (you can also drag the page background to scroll),
and an *interactive* map that gives you a bird's-eye view of the
entire document at a glance.

The panel map interface also lets you directly move/size individual
tiddlers.  Adjustments to the interactive map display (moving/sizing
the tiddlers) are simultaneously reflected on the page.  In addition,
when you move/size a tiddler the document's lower-right extents are
automatically adjusted to fit the tiddler and the document display
'hot-scrolls' as you drag the tiddler around.

All tiddler positions are tracked automatically in a map tiddler
(which records x,y,w,h AND also z-index and 'fixed position'
settings).  You can define, manage and select from multiple maps, so
that the arrangement of tiddlers can be quickly changed to fit the
task at hand.  You can also *dock* any item, which returns it to it's
default TiddlyWiki position (as defined by the PageTemplate).  If you
dock all, the entire document is displayed using the standard
TiddlyWiki layout (i.e, tiddlers in the story column, main menu on
left, sidebar on right, header at the top, etc).

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios

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[tw] Re: Zoom question

2011-09-30 Thread axelm
I found this piece of code:

STYLE
  .clsTeenyWeeny  { zoom: 0.10 }
/STYLE

It is supposed to go in the body, but I can't get it to work in the above 
iframe.

help,

axelm


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