[tw] Re: Saving
On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 11:39:51 AM UTC-8, David Moore wrote: Hi there, I have been using 2.6 for years now and decided it was time to upgrade, the saving of the page always annoyed me, and I assumed this might be fixed by now. However having downloaded the latest version, (which looks great by the way), it seems the same. However I do notice some instructions which would imply it's fixed, but I can't see how to implement them. Getting Started says TiddlyWiki http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWiki on Google Chrome can only save changes using the HTML5-compatible fallback saver module. However I don't see how to install this module, there is no link to it, and no other reference to it in the instructions. Therefore saving the file results in a new file (empty (2).html etc) I tried in IE as well, however it does the same thing. Are there any instructions on how to get the page to save, without saving a copy, and then remembering to open the copy next time...? The behavior you describe is the result of the *built-in* HTML5-compatible fallback saver module. It uses the browser's native download a file handler to do the work of saving your changes to the local disk. It works in the usual manner: there is a default current directory into which things will be saved and, when filenames collide, the system adds the (#) suffix. Depending upon your browser, you can configure the download handling to always ask. In that case, instead of automatically saving a file with the number suffix, you can select the *existing* filename (i.e., without any number suffix) and then confirm when asked if you want to overwrite it. It is important to note that, because of browser security restrictions, the download saver is the ONLY method that works regardless of your browser or system setup. However, if you are using FireFox, then there is a browser-based addon called TiddlyFox that automatically adds secure local file I/O handling into the TiddlyWiki core code. After installing TiddlyFox, TiddlyWiki can then write updates directly to your filesystem. See http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyFox for details. Also note that, if you intend to use your TiddlyWii file remotely (i.e., from an http:// URL) or if you are going to be using it locally on other people's systems (e.g., read/save to/from a USB stick), then download saving may be the ONLY reliable option available to save your changes. enjoy, -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual/x/8816263 YOUR DONATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT! HELP ME TO HELP YOU - MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO MY TIP JAR... http://TiddlyTools.github.com/fundraising.html#MakeADonation Professional TiddlyWiki Consulting Services... Analysis, Design, and Custom Solutions: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Contact -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Saving
addendum: If you don't want to use FireFox with TiddlyFox, there is another alternative that also provides secure local file I/O: http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyDesktop If you download and install the TiddlyDesktop application onto your system, you can then use it to view, edit and save your TiddlyWiki documents (both Classic and 5 are supported). This program provides it's own built-in browser, but leaves off all the extra browser stuff (i.e. menus, toolbars, bookmarks, etc.), so that the running TiddlyWiki document appears to be more like a native application, rather than simply a page in your browser. -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: List field values as links?
Thanks Tobias and Astrid, the filter itself works. Now how do I get it to display one item on each line instead of horizontally with no spacing? Currently the results turn out like this: Test topic 1Test topic 2 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Astrid Elocson aeloc...@gmail.com wrote: To get unique values only, use *each*: $list filter=[each[topic1]get[topic1]] [each[topic2]get[topic2]] [each[topic3]get[topic3]] +[sort[title]]/ Most filter operators remove duplicates automatically, but *get* doesn't. Duplicates are automatically removed from a sequence of filter runs, such as: [each[topic1]get[topic1]] [each[topic2]get[topic2]] So even if the same item crops up in both topic1 and topic2, it will only appear once in the filtered output. – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/EmtFQhZNFh0/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Open all the tiddlers with a particular tag
David, Currently there isn't any simple way to open up all tiddlers with a given tag, but there is one in the prerelese of the next version http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ and will be in it when version 5.1.8 comes out (version here in the sense of an update or revision, not version in the sense of tiddlywiki classic vs tiddlywiki 5). You can easily list all tiddlers with a given tag using the list widget http://tiddlywiki.com/#ListWidget and filters http://tiddlywiki.com/#Filters. I know this doesn't actually give you what you want, but it may help until version 5.1.8 is released, which will hopefully be very soon. If you click on a tag that a tiddler is tagged with, or in the tag manager on the more tab of the sidebar menu, than you will also get a list of tiddlers that have that tag. I have added a tiddler that lets you open all tiddlers with a chosen tag to my experimental tools site http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/Version518Fun/#Open%20All%20Tiddlers%20with%20a%20Given%20Tag, but at the moment it requires the prerelease. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: education.tw.com
Peter, Thanks for the suggestions - I've added Daniel Riggins' site to the list and will check out Scalar in more detail - sounds very interesting. Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: List field values as links?
Hi Jed, 1. I don't see a show button at the bottom of the linked tiddler 2. I did the following and it worked kind of odd $list filter=someFilter $list filter=[each[b.topic1]get[b.topic1]] [each[b.topic2]get[b.topic2]] [each[b.topic3]get[b.topic3]] +[sort[title]]/ /$list Resutls Test topic Test topic 1 Test topic Test topic 1 Test topic Test topic 1 Test topic Test topic 1 Test topic Test topic 1 Test topic Test topic 1 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Jed Carty inmyso...@gmail.com wrote: To get a vertical instead of horizontal list you can split the list widget like this: $list filter=someFilter /$list Any content you put between the widget tags will be used as a template, or you can specify a template for the list items using $list filter=someFilter template=SomeTemplateTiddler. I have some information about this here http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Templates, if you click on the 'show' button at the bottom of the tiddler it will show you a bunch of templates used. Pretty much any one of them with a title ending with DisplayTemplate is used for a list of some sort on the site. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/EmtFQhZNFh0/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] When value of field x is the title of the current tiddler
Hi all One more question, and I stop bugging you all for the week! What is the 'field' equivalent of [all[current]tagging[]]? That is, what filter do I need to render all tiddlers that have field x, and the value of that field is the title of the present tiddler? Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: tiddlyclip for chrome
should be ok now... On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 6:31:44 AM UTC-6, Tobias Beer wrote: I get this error... Fehler beim Laden der Erweiterung aus: ~\Desktop\tiddlyclip JavaScript-Datei *content/util/logsimple.js* konnte nicht für das Content-Skript geladen werden. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: List field values as links?
Sorry, replace the someFilter part with your filter. What that is doing is listing whatever someFilter returns on your wiki using $list filter=[each[b.topic1]get[b.topic1]] [each[b.topic2]get[b.topic2]] [each[b.topic3]get[b.topic3]] +[sort[title]]/ as a template. This can be useful at times because you can have nested lists, but in this case you would probably just want to use: $list filter=[each[b.topic1]get[b.topic1]] [each[b.topic2]get[b.topic2]] [each[b.topic3]get[b.topic3]] +[sort[title]] /$list There should be a horizontal rule near the bottom with two buttons, one that says 'New Topic' and one that says 'Show'. If that isn't the case than something is broken and I should fix it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Open all the tiddlers with a particular tag
Hi, I am having the same issue. In classic you could simply click a tag and either open a specific matching tiddler, or open all which gave you everything that matched. I used this more than anything given I categorised everything with tags. However in the new version the feature has gone, and it seems from the above quite a lot of hacking and code to resolve! http://tiddlywiki.org/tag In the above link it says that you can still open all tiddlers tagged to a given tag, however I can't see how. Any news since this last post, or any simple step by step instructions for implementing the above? Thanks Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Open all the tiddlers with a particular tag
Hi again, I tried to use the Demo for Jon. I dragged the makelist widget to my wiki, and it showed me an import dialogue, which I followed. I then copied the code into a new widget, and I get Undefined widget 'makelist' appearing... I don't know what else I am supposed to do to install a widget? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: List field values as links?
Yay, it worked! Thanks Jed! On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, David Gifford dgiff...@crcna.org wrote: Hi Jed My bad, it was already showing, so the button said 'hide.' Got it On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Jed Carty inmyso...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, replace the someFilter part with your filter. What that is doing is listing whatever someFilter returns on your wiki using $list filter=[each[b.topic1]get[b.topic1]] [each[b.topic2]get[b.topic2]] [each[b.topic3]get[b.topic3]] +[sort[title]]/ as a template. This can be useful at times because you can have nested lists, but in this case you would probably just want to use: $list filter=[each[b.topic1]get[b.topic1]] [each[b.topic2]get[b.topic2]] [each[b.topic3]get[b.topic3]] +[sort[title]] /$list There should be a horizontal rule near the bottom with two buttons, one that says 'New Topic' and one that says 'Show'. If that isn't the case than something is broken and I should fix it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/EmtFQhZNFh0/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: List field values as links?
Hi Jed My bad, it was already showing, so the button said 'hide.' Got it On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Jed Carty inmyso...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, replace the someFilter part with your filter. What that is doing is listing whatever someFilter returns on your wiki using $list filter=[each[b.topic1]get[b.topic1]] [each[b.topic2]get[b.topic2]] [each[b.topic3]get[b.topic3]] +[sort[title]]/ as a template. This can be useful at times because you can have nested lists, but in this case you would probably just want to use: $list filter=[each[b.topic1]get[b.topic1]] [each[b.topic2]get[b.topic2]] [each[b.topic3]get[b.topic3]] +[sort[title]] /$list There should be a horizontal rule near the bottom with two buttons, one that says 'New Topic' and one that says 'Show'. If that isn't the case than something is broken and I should fix it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/EmtFQhZNFh0/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: List field values as links?
To get a vertical instead of horizontal list you can split the list widget like this: $list filter=someFilter /$list Any content you put between the widget tags will be used as a template, or you can specify a template for the list items using $list filter=someFilter template=SomeTemplateTiddler. I have some information about this here http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Templates, if you click on the 'show' button at the bottom of the tiddler it will show you a bunch of templates used. Pretty much any one of them with a title ending with DisplayTemplate is used for a list of some sort on the site. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: When value of field x is the title of the current tiddler
That worked great. Thanks Jed. I always forget about {!!title} and try
[all[current]] or [fieldx[current]] or [is[current]]. I just need to switch
mental gears and remember that pesky {!!title}.
Dave
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Jed Carty inmyso...@gmail.com wrote:
The field operator http://tiddlywiki.com/#FilterOperator%3A%20field is
the one you want.
$list filter='[!is[system]fieldx{!!title}]'
/$list
where you replace fieldx with whatever field you are checking, and you can
remove the !is[system] part if you want to include system tiddlers.
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[tw] Re: When value of field x is the title of the current tiddler
The field operator http://tiddlywiki.com/#FilterOperator%3A%20field is
the one you want.
$list filter='[!is[system]fieldx{!!title}]'
/$list
where you replace fieldx with whatever field you are checking, and you can
remove the !is[system] part if you want to include system tiddlers.
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[tw] Re: Illness
Sorry to hear that! Take care and get well soon. Alberto Le dimanche 1 mars 2015 19:15:18 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston a écrit : I'm sorry to say that I've been whizzed to hospital with what has turned out to be pneumonia. No fun at all. I'll be here for a couple more days and so will have to postpone Tuesday's hangout. Best wishes Jeremy — jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] date format in new tiddler TWC
Hi All
In a simple code like this...]
var title=title;
var text=text;
var who=skye;
var when=new Date();
var tags=tags;
var fields={};
store.saveTiddler(title,title,text,who,when,tags,fields);
why do I get an error saying created.convertToMMDDHHMM is not a
function?
I am sure this previously worked!!
Skye
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[tw] Re: Can the ViewWidget (or others) select part of a tiddler to view?
There isn't any widget to do this currently. It probably wouldn't be too hard to create a widget or javascript macro for this purpose. Alternately, what I do (and I have seen this a few other places as well) is to have a field in each tiddler that holds a summary of what is in the tiddler and have this displayed along with the title in your list. The downside to this is that you have to manually make and fill this field in each tiddler. The benefit is that you don't have to code anything and your summary can have better summaries than just the first line or two of the tiddler. To make a list like this, assuming that you have a field called 'summary' in each of the tiddlers that holds the summary, you could use: $list filter='[tag[movies]]' $link to=currentTiddler$view field='title'//$link - $view field='summary'/br /$list which would list each tiddler by title, where the title is a link to open the tiddler, and next to the title it would display your summary. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Saving
Eric, thanks for your detailed response. I did think in classic I could open and edit at will in any browser, however perhaps not. My default browser (chrome) isn't set to ask, it auto adds. For firefox and IE I see I can use the addons/plugins. I didn't like the idea of it only working in one browser, however thinking on it, I tend to do all my editing from one place, and then everyone else is read only (I use it for instructions and guides and lists - e.g. all the kids lego sets have a tiddler with a link to a local pdf of the instructions as they always lose / destroy them! - this requires the open all tiddlers for a tag, which has gone (was in classic), however that's in a different thread). Given I edit from one place, the TiddlyDesktop might actually be a better idea! On Monday, 2 March 2015 20:39:51 UTC+1, David Moore wrote: Hi there, I have been using 2.6 for years now and decided it was time to upgrade, the saving of the page always annoyed me, and I assumed this might be fixed by now. However having downloaded the latest version, (which looks great by the way), it seems the same. However I do notice some instructions which would imply it's fixed, but I can't see how to implement them. Getting Started says TiddlyWiki http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWiki on Google Chrome can only save changes using the HTML5-compatible fallback saver module. However I don't see how to install this module, there is no link to it, and no other reference to it in the instructions. Therefore saving the file results in a new file (empty (2).html etc) I tried in IE as well, however it does the same thing. Are there any instructions on how to get the page to save, without saving a copy, and then remembering to open the copy next time...? Thanks Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Can you help improve this documentation ribbon
I'd start by checking tiddlers tagged with $:/tags/EditTemplate, if you have any created or modified. On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 9:26:37 PM UTC-8, Bob Robison wrote: Somehow, I've managed to get my copy of a TiddlyWIki messed up a bit When I go to edit a tiddler (I think any tiddler, even ones I have created on my own), I see the referenced ribbon... not once by twice! I'm not sure where this is coming from in general, or what might be the case that is causing two of these ribbons to show up. Any thoughts? bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: set story width in a stylesheet tiddler
Adding a field list-after: $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base works, even if I pick a different theme... Not sure if this is not some unintentional behaviour that might change in the future. Would be great if list-after had a special case for the empty value (like list-before does), meaning load after everything else. On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 8:49:19 PM UTC-8, Rustem wrote: Thanks Eric and Astrid. My tag was correct, but the name of the tiddler caused it to be processed before $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base. I have it as a system tiddler. I'd like to keep the name as is, it makes it appear on top of the system tiddlers list. How can I force it to load after any other system tiddler? On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 12:38:24 AM UTC-8, Astrid Elocson wrote: Your code works fine when I put it in a new tiddler on tiddlywiki.com. Has your screen width perhaps dropped below 1440px? – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Open all the tiddlers with a particular tag
Hi, it would be nice to get this working sooner rather than later, so I tried again with Matabele's answers. I dragged the makelist widget again, (after complete restart) and it said it would not import because version older than existing version (they were actually the same). So I do have it installed, and I see under More - System that I have plugins/matabele/makelist and makelist.js listed as two items. However I still get the undefined widget makelist. Is there something else you need to do when installing a widget? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Can you help improve this documentation ribbon
Somehow, I've managed to get my copy of a TiddlyWIki messed up a bit When I go to edit a tiddler (I think any tiddler, even ones I have created on my own), I see the referenced ribbon... not once by twice! I'm not sure where this is coming from in general, or what might be the case that is causing two of these ribbons to show up. Any thoughts? bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: set story width in a stylesheet tiddler
Thanks Eric and Astrid. My tag was correct, but the name of the tiddler caused it to be processed before $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base. I have it as a system tiddler. I'd like to keep the name as is, it makes it appear on top of the system tiddlers list. How can I force it to load after any other system tiddler? On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 12:38:24 AM UTC-8, Astrid Elocson wrote: Your code works fine when I put it in a new tiddler on tiddlywiki.com. Has your screen width perhaps dropped below 1440px? – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Can the ViewWidget (or others) select part of a tiddler to view?
I'm interested in having a filter to provide a list of all tiddlers tagged with (e.g.) movies I can easily get the filter to provide me a list of the tiddlers, with links to the title (which I assume is the standard). I'm wondering if I can change the 'view' of each widget to select the first line or first paragraph of the target widget. This way I can end up with a controlled summary that shows up in the full list, but then each referenced tiddler can have more detail that would be available to view when I click on the link to open the tiddler. Some way of using a regular expression to 'process' each tiddler text (or I suppose other field) would be reasonable, but it seems like regexp is more to select the list of tiddlers. bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] will the search get quicker?
Hi Andreas, if you double the tiddler count, the search will take 4 times the time, provided all tiddlers are equal length. Not following. Why would that be? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Marking a tiddler as previously visited
Yes, right. On 02.03.2015 13:40, Tobias Beer wrote: Couldn't you use the history list for that in combination with the list widget? - just a thought Only during the current session, no? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com mailto:tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Illness
May you be well soon! On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 1:15:18 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote: I'm sorry to say that I've been whizzed to hospital with what has turned out to be pneumonia. No fun at all. I'll be here for a couple more days and so will have to postpone Tuesday's hangout. Best wishes Jeremy — jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: InfiniTiddly (or, Rich Shumaker is evil) ;-)
Hi Dave, I think, in general, other than for showcasing purposes — but even for that, too — embedding one TiddlyWiki in another ain't a great idea... printing issues being just one aspect. Better use a hub or shared menu so as to quickly switch contents. If you want an independent menu accross wikis, you may want to consider a plain html file with the links that you embed using an iframe in every wiki. Better still, use a html file containing a frameset, holding a simplistic menu-html file in one menu-frame and then the actual wiki in a content-frame. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: List field values as links?
Not sure how to strip it down to unique values only, but this may work.. $list filter=[get[topic1]] [get[topic2]] [get[topic3]] + [sort[title]]/ Perhaps we need a new filter, e.g. $list filter=[get[topic1]] [get[topic2]] [get[topic3]] + [unique[]sort[title]]/ Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki with simultaneous multi-user updates on own server
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Tobias Beer wrote: Not knowing how socialuser works, I think it's a bit of a problem / challenge to fiddle these things out every time you wish to implement TiddlyWeb... while sounding simply, user management / authentication / registration workflows have their challenges that do require some well designed workflows / components / processes. Unfortunately this is probably true, in no small part because people have widely varying preferences for what is appropriate for user management. For example some people prefer not to use Tank because it requires one of a google, github or facebook account to log in. I chose that, however, so that Tank has _zero_ knowledge of (or even interaction with) a user's password. One reason user management workflows aren't built into TiddlyWeb is because one size won't fit all. -- Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/ [...]
[tw] Re: set story width in a stylesheet tiddler
Your code works fine when I put it in a new tiddler on tiddlywiki.com. Has your screen width perhaps dropped below 1440px? – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki with simultaneous multi-user updates on own server
Hi Chris, I'm happy to advise and support people, and do try to keep track of anything that has some relevant to TiddlyWeb. However I don't want to be in the position of initiating a repo as someone else doing so is a clear sign of real commitment by someone or some group. I think it would be a bad idea to remove that signal. If that signal is lit, then woot, I'll watch closely. Totally understand. So, let's wait and see some more when attempted implementation(s) start trickling down. It's effectively this line that is the issue: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blame/3df341621d30b205775288e324cef137c48e9f6e/plugins/tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb/tiddlywebadaptor.js#L68 That is the only place that the recipe for the adaptor is set but it uses a piece of data that only exists on TiddlySpace. As I've described here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlyweb/UcYrnvGwNUQ/UJRgSn4VjfYJ the recipe can be set manually but it would better if TiddlyWiki5 could ask the user what recipe on what server they want to use and load that into a story (either including it in the current, replace the current or making a namespaced one adjacent to the current). I see, so there are actually a few challenges... 1. expose those recipes to wiki authors, if only manually - this presupposes to manually manage recipes AND user data at the TiddlyWeb serverside 2. allow to more dynamically configure server(s) and recipe(s) to CRUD from within TiddlyWiki - a crucial part may be in the plural above and whatever conflict handling is needed with - changing recipes - conflicting recipes (duplicate contents, execution order / precedence) - how all that plays out with plugins and themes It looks like the simple, straight forward TiddlySpace setup has some rather reliable and ready-to-use tenets to work with... for which leveraging all the generic TiddlyWeb potential could quickly increase complexity on the client-end to highly challenging scenarios. For one, in TiddlySpace you only ever authenticate against one server / service: TiddlySpace. That simplifies handling multiple spaces / remote locations to talk to by magnitudes, even though it would perhaps be an incredibly powerful thing to hook up to a number of arbitrary (TiddlyWeb or other) server nodes from a single wiki instance... for which there is some home recipe and server holding its basic configuration. A cross-server implementation would surely play along the theme of TiddlyWiki being a guerilla wiki... dynamically pulling stuff, even ad-hoc. Switching that wiki view from one recipe / remote content pool to another. Some remote recipes / bags could be used conjointly: a home / setup bag, some template foo, a libarary bar, an app baz ...and then others loaded dynamically / switched to, e.g. TiddlyWiki plugin repo... alongside ways of moving and merging things from remote location A to B. Imagine some kind of TiddlyExplorer that would — like any local file system explorer — list any connected remote locations with support to drag and drop / move things from a source to a target... and the corresponding conflict handling. So, one layer would be to explore those remote locations and cook the desired contents into target locations and then to define wiki instances that feed off of certain remote sources. The explorer could be an entirely independent application from authoring any thus set-up wiki instance. Sure, if there were a number of remote sources — if only bags (in recipes) — being considered, there'd have to be some ui that allows a user to select and define which one to read from and write to at a given moment, e.g. some form of select in both view- and edit-mode that switches to the corresponding remote location for loading or writing. True. There are (as with everything) simple and deluxe ways to handle things. The easiest thing to do is to respond to the HTTP response code for an edit conflict with a warning message to the user. Then they can choose to resolve it however they like. All this client-server-talky-talky seems to beg for a thorough requirements analysis / conceptual design... or possibly / alternatively one who dares... 1. fiddle their way accross all gaps and hurdles, testing and connecting existing infrastructure pieces to that TW5-Collaboration-Puzzle 2. start a conversation so as to breathe some life into any missing links The direction I'm trying to push things is that as much smarts as possible are in TiddlyWiki. This is possible. The APIs exist such that a very minimal tiddlyweb server can do most of the things people have been wanting. Mario mentioned that managing recipes, bags, even users may not entirely be in the scope of the TiddlyWeb API. Is that so or what aspect(s) of a TiddlyWeb setup can be managed via HTTP(s), if any? Otherwise, how do you envision a
[tw] Re: [TW5] will the search get quicker?
Hi Jon, There are some open issues that would very much improve (perceived) search performance, namely... - *a textlength / minlength filter* - so that search only kicks in after x characters being entered, e.g. 3 - https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1493 - https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/2305385c08152c050946e4502735045a8e30aac1#commitcomment-9685869 - *some form of refresh delay* - so that TiddlyWiki only starts searching after you pause typing - https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1494 Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] TW5 Permalink to plain webpage
In my usecase, I would really only have 1 print-ready tiddler open at a time. I do not want to print the title of the tiddler. I might have 3-5 other tiddlers open that I was working on that I would also want to exclude. The easiest would be to open that specific tiddler in a new tab (view its permalink) and print it. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Marking a tiddler as previously visited
Couldn't you use the history list for that in combination with the list widget? - just a thought On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 11:00:56 AM UTC+1, Peter Miller wrote: Is there a way to mark, e.g. tag, a tiddler as visited when it is opened so that you can subsequently list tiddlers that have not been opened/seen previously? I am thinking that this might be useful to students in tutorial-style wikis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: set story width in a stylesheet tiddler
On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 9:59:05 PM UTC-8, Rustem wrote: How can I set the story width nowadays? I have a tiddler with fragments copied from $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base like below, and it has no effect anymore. I did not notice when exactly it stopped working... Check the tags on your CSS-bearing tiddler: TW5.0.17 switched to using $:/tags/Stylesheet and deprecated use of $:/tags/stylesheet. TW5.1.1 removed support for the deprecated tag value, so that if your tiddler is still using the old tag, then it won't be recognized in TW5.1.1 and beyond. enjoy, -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual/x/8816263 YOUR DONATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT! HELP ME TO HELP YOU - MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO MY TIP JAR... http://TiddlyTools.github.com/fundraising.html#MakeADonation Professional TiddlyWiki Consulting Services... Analysis, Design, and Custom Solutions: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Contact -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?
Hi Mat, Not really knowing what I'm talking about, but I'm hoping maybe some CSS could squeeze in some absolute or fixed div or something that the rest of the content would 'simply' have to move over to make room for. I tried to make this work but was unsuccesful. The problem is that when you create such a container, any tiddlers will be positioned wrong, i.e. covered by that container. So, what *hack-142* tries to achieve is to reposition tiddlers when displayed so that they are taking the desired / needed offset into account... which otherwise is neglected by the rendering / scrolling mechanism. Unfortunately, Jeremy was opposed to configuring a simple vertical offset to remedy the problem. So, afaik, this is the issue that is intended to target the problem: *Improve handling of toolbars/sidebars* https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1285 Not sure at what point it will be tackled. Or, maybe there could be some invisible element at top, but inside the story/ river column, that blocks tiddlers from reaching up to those top centimeters? Nope, that doesn't work because the problem is not at the beginning of the story river... the problem is the location to which the story river scrolls when wanting to display a given tiddler. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: education.tw.com
Thanks for doing this, Richard. Great start in my opinion. I'm only just getting to grips with TiddlyWiki in teaching this year so I can't provide much by way of case studies. I would, however, suggest that low-hanging fruit be included such as the use of journal tiddlers to create reflective logs as students progress through a module or project. bw Peter On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 9:28:59 AM UTC, Richard Smith wrote: Hi All, At Jeremy's invitation, I am putting together materials for a tiddlywiki in education portal, to eventually be hosted under the main site and addressing the particular use-cases found in education. I'd really appreciate any feedback or input you might have about the site itself or the content that should appear on it. I've made a template for the site here; https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/education.tw.com.html Please feel free to edit it and publish it back at me with any improvements you would like to make in terms of function or form. I've also included a community consultation section listing some areas for discussion - I'd be really happy to get any feedback or contributions you'd like to make - either here in the forum or via wiki. Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: TW5 Sortable Tables
Hi Jed, Otherwise you can do it without too much trouble using html: While that works, the table data need not necessarily come from individual tiddlers, so a more generic approach to table sorting as well as filtering is desireable. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Marking a tiddler as previously visited
Couldn't you use the history list for that in combination with the list widget? - just a thought Only during the current session, no? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Marking a tiddler as previously visited
Hi Peter, Is there a way to mark, e.g. tag, a tiddler as visited when it is opened so that you can subsequently list tiddlers that have not been opened/seen previously? I am thinking that this might be useful to students in tutorial-style wikis. You should be able to use these two methods: 1. a conditional ViewTemplate section http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Conditional%20ViewTemplate%20Section which 2. triggers an action https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tiddlywiki/Uy7yZQ7frms, e.g. by setting a tiddler tag when opened Rather than setting a tag at the actual tiddlers, it would prossibly be better to create tiddlers under a system namespace, e.g.: *$:/_my/progress/*... So, when you visit tiddler *foo*, the action trigger would create *$:/_my/progress/foo.* Then you would use the removeprefix http://tiddlywiki.com/#FilterOperator%3A%20removeprefix FilterOperator to list all tiddler's already visited or remove any such from another list of tiddlers yet asking you to be visited. Personally, I think using a dedicated, manually set checkbox or even a progress select from 0 (unvisited) to 5 (fully learned) is a much cleaner approach, though. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: tiddlyclip for chrome
I get this error... Fehler beim Laden der Erweiterung aus: ~\Desktop\tiddlyclip JavaScript-Datei *content/util/logsimple.js* konnte nicht für das Content-Skript geladen werden. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki with simultaneous multi-user updates on own server
On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 11:39:18 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote: Mario mentioned that managing recipes, bags, even users may not entirely be in the scope of the TiddlyWeb API. You are right. not entirely. As Chris mentioned, there are several server side plugins to manage users and access rights for TiddlySpace. ... but imo the needed authentication and authorisation increases the complexity a lot. Especially the access rights drop privileges approach for TS is complex. I pointed to my console https://dev.tweb.at/console.html#host:https://dev.tweb.at/api, where you can see, that managing recipes, bags and policies is easy. ... but creating a generic and simple to manage access concept for the basic recipes (TiddlyWikis) and the r/w structure is hard. I guess one big question is: What do we mean by collaboration? Exactly. And here the scope of the target audience comes into play. - Do we want something that I called TiddlyWeb at Home, - which basically _must_ be a single click install. - The store needs to be file based, because we know form all other discussions. Standard users refuse databases. - Backup needs to be easy. aka file based and may be using Dropbox or friends ... - It needs to be easy to manage small groups. 1, 2, 3 up to 10 concurrent users. For this group we could design a very basic recipe structure, with (kind of) fixed bag names. - which makes authorisation (r/w access) simpler. We can keep the authentication simple. - username / password ... http for local networks with no internet exposure. - https for settings with public internet connection. --- If we target small businesses, IMO this is a completely different area. - Authentication systems may already exist. eg: single sign on, oauth, LDAP ... - Databases may be possible _but_ disaster recovery is a very hot topic here. - Handling database backups is more work then file based backups .. - An authorisation structure may exist and needs to be adopted ... ... do we want this? IMO here we hit a big problem. ... I count schools as small businesses. .. They always have @business like requirements but the admin resources and the complexity needs to be @home like. Having a look at the group discussion, education users are always the first ones, that want a file TW to be multi user accessible. What does it entail? - user setup / registration / authentication? This are 2 different topics. - setup / registration - @home: can be done by an admin. - @business: should be possible for the user. So web UI needed. - authentication is used to verify, that you really are, who you pretend to be. - @home ... imo will be a much simpler structure. cookie based. - @business ... will depend on the usecase and imo cant be laid out up front. - shared, multi-user wikis - access rights ? r / w - admin vs. editor vs. subscriber? Especially dynamically share / include / combine bags may introduce higher complexity and will always depend on the usecase. - user wikis / spaces / profiles This is mainly a naming convention, which has to be agreed upon. - space inclusion Makes the UI and access r/w configuration much, much, .. more complicated. .. but projects like AMBIT or SunyIt rely an behaviour like this. ... Just some thoughts. mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: education.tw.com
Something else I've found useful is being able to email wikis to students, attach them to our VLE and provide updates that they can import to refresh their wikis. All self-evident but worth adding if they're not already in there. One specific use case being explored by a medical student is the use of TiddlyMap to produce annotated views of metabolism using TiddlyMap: http://danielriggins.com/mednotes (although I guess it would be polite to consult him before putting it on the site?) Incidentally, in terms of the feature set of an academic publishing platform, it might be worth a compare contrast with http://scalar.usc.edu/features/overview/ . I don't mean this in any overt sense but as a way to think of areas where TiddlyWiki particularly shines. bw Peter On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 9:28:59 AM UTC, Richard Smith wrote: Hi All, At Jeremy's invitation, I am putting together materials for a tiddlywiki in education portal, to eventually be hosted under the main site and addressing the particular use-cases found in education. I'd really appreciate any feedback or input you might have about the site itself or the content that should appear on it. I've made a template for the site here; https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/education.tw.com.html Please feel free to edit it and publish it back at me with any improvements you would like to make in terms of function or form. I've also included a community consultation section listing some areas for discussion - I'd be really happy to get any feedback or contributions you'd like to make - either here in the forum or via wiki. Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] List field values as links?
Hi all Say I have tiddlers with three fields, topic1, topic2 and topic3, and I want to create a list of all topics found in the values of any of these fields, and display them as a list of links, how would I do that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki with simultaneous multi-user updates on own server
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Tobias Beer wrote: If that signal is lit, then woot, I'll watch closely. Totally understand. So, let's wait and see some more when attempted implementation(s) start trickling down. It's probably not the most productive strategy but time being what it is... A cross-server implementation would surely play along the theme of TiddlyWiki being a guerilla wiki... dynamically pulling stuff, even ad-hoc. Switching that wiki view from one recipe / remote content pool to another. Some remote recipes / bags could be used conjointly: a home / setup bag, some template foo, a libarary bar, an app baz ...and then others loaded dynamically / switched to, e.g. TiddlyWiki plugin repo... alongside ways of moving and merging things from remote location A to B. Yes, this is very in line with the vision of TiddlyWiki/TiddlyWeb interaction that I've always been shooting for. Your additional descriptions are very good. Mario mentioned that managing recipes, bags, even users may not entirely be in the scope of the TiddlyWeb API. Is that so or what aspect(s) of a TiddlyWeb setup can be managed via HTTP(s), if any? Otherwise, how do you envision a meaningful default workflow so as to get a TiddlyWeb instance up and running in a multi-user environment? The _API_ supports managing recipes, bags and policies for both, directly in the TiddlyWeb core. There's a plugin, tiddylwebplugins.socialusers, which adds _API_ support for users. What's not present is client side tooling (libraries, UIs) for managing the operations. I think there's a perception that doing CRUD on recipes, bags and users in TiddlyWeb is quite complex. What's complex is effectively implementing the concepts. The actual operations are simple PUT requests with a relatively small amount of JSON[1]. One a tiddlyweb instance is created, installed and configured (with the socialusers plugin), it is possible to manage all the necessary operations over the API. (You might be wondering why the socialusers plugin is a plugin rather than built it. Basically it is because it requires an explicit step for the admin of the service to say Yes, I want to expose user management over the web.) I see, so again it's a task that begs for someone to start playing with a TiddlyWeb server and test out certain communication patterns as to how suitable they are to implement polling in a collaborative environment and then properly handle (merge) conflicts, mostly. Seems so. I think that's the general truth: people just need to try stuff and see where it goes. There's a tendency to want to solve problems before they are concrete. [1] A good starting point for the API is here http://tiddlyweb.tiddlyspace.com/HTTP%20API or here http://tiddlyweb.tiddlyspace.com/explorer -- Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/ [...]
[tw] Re: [TW5] Experimental Help Panel
I very much welcome this. The cheatsheet could possibly be further optimized for use in a sidebar. I believe a global wiki, preview or demo macro would help to consistently show the wikitext and then the preview, e.g. something that renders... ``` ~WikiText ``` ~WikiText via... demo ~WikiText In the sidebar, it would possibly be better to have individual examples show line by line, no grouped stuff as on tb5 (multiple examples in one codeblock). There are some examples where it's more like... ``` wikitext ``` explanation Not sure if those better be avoided. The help plugin could perhaps come with some demo tiddlers for transclusion or macros. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Illness
Wishing you a swift recovery. Take care. Peter On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 6:15:18 PM UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote: I'm sorry to say that I've been whizzed to hospital with what has turned out to be pneumonia. No fun at all. I'll be here for a couple more days and so will have to postpone Tuesday's hangout. Best wishes Jeremy — jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] education.tw.com
Hi All, At Jeremy's invitation, I am putting together materials for a tiddlywiki in education portal, to eventually be hosted under the main site and addressing the particular use-cases found in education. I'd really appreciate any feedback or input you might have about the site itself or the content that should appear on it. I've made a template for the site here; https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/education.tw.com.html Please feel free to edit it and publish it back at me with any improvements you would like to make in terms of function or form. I've also included a community consultation section listing some areas for discussion - I'd be really happy to get any feedback or contributions you'd like to make - either here in the forum or via wiki. Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Illness
Dear Jeremy, Sorry to hear that. Get well soon! Best wishes Bram -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Illness
Hi Jeremy, Wishing you a rapid recovery! – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: List field values as links?
To get unique values only, use *each*: $list filter=[each[topic1]get[topic1]] [each[topic2]get[topic2]] [each[topic3]get[topic3]] +[sort[title]]/ Most filter operators remove duplicates automatically, but *get* doesn't. Duplicates are automatically removed from a sequence of filter runs, such as: [each[topic1]get[topic1]] [each[topic2]get[topic2]] So even if the same item crops up in both topic1 and topic2, it will only appear once in the filtered output. – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Illness
Yikes! Take care! I hope recovery goes quickly and smoothly. On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 1:15:18 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote: I'm sorry to say that I've been whizzed to hospital with what has turned out to be pneumonia. No fun at all. I'll be here for a couple more days and so will have to postpone Tuesday's hangout. Best wishes Jeremy — jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Footnote Plugin (TW5)
Hi Jed, That plugin is from tiddlywiki classic, it probably wouldn't work for tiddlywiki 5. There is a way to make footnotes in TW5 shown at braintest http://braintest.tiddlyspot.com/#PopupFootnotes that works well. I am not aware of any other footnote implementations for tiddlywiki 5. While that does provide certain footnoting capabilities, this basic-wikitext-features-only footnoting seems quite cumbersome and non-intuitive. I'm hoping to eventually create http://tobibeer.github.io/tw/dev/#FootNotes something more generic and less repetitive, where you have... - the same footnote text in the popup and at the bottom - a backlink from bottom to top - can use a user defined footnote ID but don't have to ...using a custom JavaScript macro and a global / temporary footnotes object to store references in. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki with simultaneous multi-user updates on own server
Hi Chris, One reason user management workflows aren't built into TiddlyWeb is because one size won't fit all. I imagined the rationale would be something like that. So, taking a look at *socialusers* for TiddlyWeb may prove to be the best approach to not start all from scratch. For example some people prefer not to use Tank because it requires one of a google, github or facebook account to log in. I chose that, however, so that Tank has _zero_ knowledge of (or even interaction with) a user's password. I take it, *tank *implements its own authentication layer / workflow / processes / modules / forms, independent from or extending *socialusers*. So yes, wanting some form of user management sure does not necessarily mean wanting tank... but only those user-management-components when it comes to authentication, and possibly registration ...well, basic user management that works out-of-the-box-ish rather than after develop all of that from scratch. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Open tiddler in full width mode
Hi Jon, I don't think your request is all that much of a simple one. From readingTon's example here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/tw5$20css/tiddlywiki/eQplsRemVtQ/-4GFCf1P1SMJ I now understand how to apply basic CSS to a specific tiddler by tagging it, so I've managed to achieve what I wanted to do. Applying css to the tiddler only probably won't do the trick (properly). So, it would be nice to see what you've achieved so far. I believe, this would rather require some macro that fires the required actions, e.g. fullWidth SomeTiddler pretty title with... title: $:/_my/macros/fullWidth tags: $:/tags/Macro \define fullWidth(title, pretty) $button class=tc-btn-invisible tc-tiddlylink $action-foo/ $action-bar/ — reveal $*title$* or $*pretty$* — /$button \end So, it would do what the chevron does when closing the sidebar, plus opening the tiddler. Actually how to reopen that sidebar other than by using the chevron seem a valid question: Just going to a different tiddler should not do that trick... unless you would be overwriting the default tiddler opening in a way where it would also forcefully show the sidebar. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?
Tobias, thank you for your informative answer! At least good the issue is officially recognized. I'm thinking maybe there should be empty placeholders scattered around every here and there that people can fill up if/as they wish - e.g document top/bottom/left and maybe even right of sidebar and between sidebar and river. Maybe also around the four tiddler sides, like for we have discussed previously. [...] the problem is not at the beginning of the story river... the problem is the location to which the story river scrolls when wanting to display a given tiddler. Startup / the first tiddler is but one symptom of the underlying issue. Ok, so your hack takes that scroll-to position and slips in the offset - clever! Do I need something particular more than the hack to make it work? I hope to get it to work here http://topbar.tiddlyspot.com/. Thank you! :-) ~ As for the jumpy editing problem mentioned for those instructions involving *hack-142*, I believe that wasn't even owed to the hack but to a problem in edit-mode that seems to be fixed because I am no longer observing the problematic behavior. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki with simultaneous multi-user updates on own server
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Tobias Beer wrote: I imagined the rationale would be something like that. So, taking a look at *socialusers* for TiddlyWeb may prove to be the best approach to not start all from scratch. Yes, likely. I take it, *tank *implements its own authentication layer / workflow / processes / modules / forms, independent from or extending *socialusers*. So yes, wanting some form of user management sure does not necessarily mean wanting tank... but only those user-management-components when it comes to authentication, and possibly registration ...well, basic user management that works out-of-the-box-ish rather than after develop all of that from scratch. tank's auth is a UI on top of https://github.com/cdent/tiddlywebplugins.oauth and https://pypi.python.org/pypi/tiddlywebplugins.magicuser -- Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/ [...]
[tw] Re: [TW5] will the search get quicker?
Thanks for that Tobias - I'll look forward to the improvements. Regards Jon On Monday, 2 March 2015 11:54:54 UTC, Tobias Beer wrote: Hi Jon, There are some open issues that would very much improve (perceived) search performance, namely... - *a textlength / minlength filter* - so that search only kicks in after x characters being entered, e.g. 3 - https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1493 - https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/2305385c08152c050946e4502735045a8e30aac1#commitcomment-9685869 - *some form of refresh delay* - so that TiddlyWiki only starts searching after you pause typing - https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1494 Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Saving
Hi there, I have been using 2.6 for years now and decided it was time to upgrade, the saving of the page always annoyed me, and I assumed this might be fixed by now. However having downloaded the latest version, (which looks great by the way), it seems the same. However I do notice some instructions which would imply it's fixed, but I can't see how to implement them. Getting Started says TiddlyWiki http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWiki on Google Chrome can only save changes using the HTML5-compatible fallback saver module. However I don't see how to install this module, there is no link to it, and no other reference to it in the instructions. Therefore saving the file results in a new file (empty (2).html etc) I tried in IE as well, however it does the same thing. Are there any instructions on how to get the page to save, without saving a copy, and then remembering to open the copy next time...? Thanks Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Open tiddler in full width mode
Hi Tobias,
I didn't know how to apply CSS to an individual tiddler, so Ton's example
gave me a clue how to do it.
The tiddler tagged with style1 opens with the sidebar I suppose covered up,
rather than hidden.
.tc-tagged-style1 {
width:170%;
height:900%;
background-color: white;
}
It's just a basic solution which does the job - I don't know if I gave the
impression I was after something more elaborate.
Regards
Jon
On Monday, 2 March 2015 17:31:16 UTC, Tobias Beer wrote:
Hi Jon,
I don't think your request is all that much of a simple one.
From readingTon's example here
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/tw5$20css/tiddlywiki/eQplsRemVtQ/-4GFCf1P1SMJ
I now understand how to apply basic CSS to a specific tiddler by tagging
it, so I've managed to achieve what I wanted to do.
Applying css to the tiddler only probably won't do the trick (properly).
So, it would be nice to see what you've achieved so far.
I believe, this would rather require some macro that fires the required
actions, e.g.
fullWidth SomeTiddler pretty title
with...
title: $:/_my/macros/fullWidth
tags: $:/tags/Macro
\define fullWidth(title, pretty)
$button class=tc-btn-invisible tc-tiddlylink
$action-foo/
$action-bar/
— reveal $*title$* or $*pretty$* —
/$button
\end
So, it would do what the chevron does when closing the sidebar, plus
opening the tiddler.
Actually, how to reopen that sidebar other than by using the chevron seems
a valid question: Just going to a different tiddler should not do that
trick... unless you would be overwriting the default tiddler opening in a
way where it would also forcefully show the sidebar.
Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: Illness
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