date:20170118

Mr. Mal, thank you for the original suggestion. 

Penguinlay and Thomas, thank you both for the clarification.

I was missing the  tags. Adding those has gotten it working.

Again, thanks!

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Numbering Items With List Filter

2017-01-18 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi

Mr. Mal’s solution should work, here is some similar code that works for me: 


<$list filter="""[list[$:/StoryList]]""">

<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>




If this does not work in your wiki, then maybe you have something in the code 
above or below that has an undesired effect?

Good luck!
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Numbering Items With List Filter

2017-01-18 Thread Penguinlay

If you combine Matthew's suggestion with Mr. Mal, you get the numbered list 
of links.



<$list filter="[system[]]">
<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>





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[tw] Re: [TW5] Numbering Items With List Filter

2017-01-18 Thread Penguinlay

It worked fine for me. 


Here is a screenshot of mine.



On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 7:51:39 PM UTC-8, michaelha...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Mr. Mal, thank you for the suggestion, but as far as I can tell that has 
> only indented the list. Perhaps I have worded myself poorly, but I am 
> hoping there is someway I can number a list of Tiddlers.
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 10:42:12 PM UTC-5, Mr. Mal wrote:
>>
>> 
>> <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[whatever]!sort[however]]">
>>
>> <$view field="title"/>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Try this
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Numbering Items With List Filter

Mr. Mal, thank you for the suggestion, but as far as I can tell that has 
only indented the list. Perhaps I have worded myself poorly, but I am 
hoping there is someway I can number a list of Tiddlers.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 10:42:12 PM UTC-5, Mr. Mal wrote:
>
> 
> <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[whatever]!sort[however]]">
>
> <$view field="title"/>
> 
> 
>
> Try this
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Numbering Items With List Filter

2017-01-18 Thread Mr. Mal


<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[whatever]!sort[however]]">

<$view field="title"/>



Try this

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[tw] Re: [TW 5] Two Way Update for Editing Non-Orphan Tiddlers' Title

2017-01-18 Thread Penguinlay

Example:

After creating Test1 and Test2 tiddlers, I add a link to Test2 in Test1
using [[Test2]].

After changing the title to Test2 to Test2Changed, the link to it from
Test1 also didn't change.

But, rather render as link with no target.

It happened to me a lot of time.

As I add more notes and re-categorizing tiddlers, I have to go back to
every tiddlers which have a link to the changed tiddlers. Right now, I only
have 98 tiddlers that I created and it is a pain to re-edit all those
inter-wiki link already.

I saw about adding caption field which will reflect what is displayed in
toc but it doesn't work on interwiki links without custom names.

For me, it is a necessity to update naming convention as I go because as a
student, I don't know what new information I would be expecting.

At least, I hope there is a feature so that whenever I change a title of
already created tiddlers and if there are any direct inter-wiki links (not
auto generated by tag filters) to it, it reminds me or update those for me
as well.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Numbering Items With List Filter

Yes, that is true, and shame on me for leaving it out. However, I have 
already tried something like:

<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[whatever]!sort[however]]">

#<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>


and I am afraid the result is:

1. Tiddler title A

1. Tiddler title B

1. Tiddler title C

1. Tiddler title D

1. Tiddler title E

Is there anyway I might be able to create a properly numbered list?

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Re: [tw] Re: Automatic backup

2017-01-18 Thread Arlen Beiler

Jeremy,
Would there be a way to add an option to also download the file on every
TiddlyFox save? I know it has to be in the downloads folder, but some users
might consider that better than nothing.

And can we do this in TiddlyWiki? I think so. Add the downloader as a high
priority autosave, then return false even though it works.
-Arlen

On Jan 18, 2017 2:12 PM, "PMario"  wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 5:07:56 PM UTC+1, quest...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> indeed Sir! Where can I lay my hands upon it?
>>
>
> The TiddlyFox announcement is here: https://groups.google.com/
> forum/#!topic/tiddlywikidev/VqvGlnrfLjE
>
> have a look at: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/52.0a2/auroranotes/
> about FF-dev
>
> The FF developer edition installs a second FireFox, that is independent
> from your existing version. It has its own profile and configuration
> settings. So you don't break things with your existing version.
>
> FF-dev lets you install unsigned extensions from the harddisk. See:
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing  and search for
> "unsigned" So you'll see how to do this. ...
>
> *but be aware, to just install extensions, from sources you trust*
> have fun!
> mario
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[tw] Re: What is most useful on GitHub?

2017-01-18 Thread Matthew Lauber

Oh and the nice thing is that each of the plugins can also have their own 
github pages site for their individual documentation.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 9:57:02 PM UTC-5, Matthew Lauber wrote:
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> I also like to setup a plugin library on github.  You can look at 
> https://github.com/mklauber/tw5-plugins to see how I'm making 
> http://mklauber.github.io/tw5-plugins/.  The important part is 
> https://github.com/mklauber/tw5-plugins/tree/master/plugins/mklauber 
>  Each of my plugin repos are sub repositories of the plugin library repo.  
> https://github.com/mklauber/tw5-plugins/blob/master/publish.sh is a bash 
> script that pulls in updates, builds a new .html file, commits it to the 
> gh-pages page, and then pushes that.  So I can version control all my 
> plugins separately, and distribute them in one place.  I haven't gone this 
> far, but it would be possible to setup travis-ci to rebuild the plugin 
> library whenever one of the plugins is updated.
>
> Matt Lauber
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 5:30:23 PM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> Is it useful to have tiddlywiki html files with plugins on GitHub? I have 
>> links to the demo sites so it may be redundant but I am not sure how other 
>> people feel about it.
>>
>> I am moving a lot of my tiddlywiki things onto GitHub as OokTech since I 
>> am working as OokTech now. I am hoping to clean up the code and improve 
>> documentatino while I am doing it so this is going to be part of that.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: What is most useful on GitHub?

2017-01-18 Thread Matthew Lauber

I also like to setup a plugin library on github.  You can look 
at https://github.com/mklauber/tw5-plugins to see how I'm 
making http://mklauber.github.io/tw5-plugins/.  The important part 
is https://github.com/mklauber/tw5-plugins/tree/master/plugins/mklauber 
 Each of my plugin repos are sub repositories of the plugin library repo. 
 https://github.com/mklauber/tw5-plugins/blob/master/publish.sh is a bash 
script that pulls in updates, builds a new .html file, commits it to the 
gh-pages page, and then pushes that.  So I can version control all my 
plugins separately, and distribute them in one place.  I haven't gone this 
far, but it would be possible to setup travis-ci to rebuild the plugin 
library whenever one of the plugins is updated.

Matt Lauber

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 5:30:23 PM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Is it useful to have tiddlywiki html files with plugins on GitHub? I have 
> links to the demo sites so it may be redundant but I am not sure how other 
> people feel about it.
>
> I am moving a lot of my tiddlywiki things onto GitHub as OokTech since I 
> am working as OokTech now. I am hoping to clean up the code and improve 
> documentatino while I am doing it so this is going to be part of that.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Numbering Items With List Filter

2017-01-18 Thread Matthew Lauber

<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[whatever]!sort[however]]">

#<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>


The empty line beneath the <$list> widget is important.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 9:43:59 PM UTC-5, michaelha...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> I will apologize in advance if what I am asking for is either incredibly 
> simple or outright impossible, but is there anyway to number Tiddlers when 
> creating a list using the list filter option?
>
> I am aware lists of Tiddlers can be created with something like this:
>
> <$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[whatever]!sort[however]]">
> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
> 
>
> And that simple numbered lists can be created with something like this:
>
> # Item 1
> # Item 2
> # Item 3
>
> But is there anyway to get both of these elements together to create a 
> numbered list of Tiddlers?
>
> If anyone has any suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated. 
>
> Thank you.
>

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[tw] [TW5] Numbering Items With List Filter

I will apologize in advance if what I am asking for is either incredibly 
simple or outright impossible, but is there anyway to number Tiddlers when 
creating a list using the list filter option?

I am aware lists of Tiddlers can be created with something like this:

<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[whatever]!sort[however]]">
<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>


And that simple numbered lists can be created with something like this:

# Item 1
# Item 2
# Item 3

But is there anyway to get both of these elements together to create a 
numbered list of Tiddlers?

If anyone has any suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated. 

Thank you.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

Hi Thomas,

That made me laugh. Indeed, you are right, in any language (English is also
not my first language but I get by). The Chinese say that a man will have
to stand for a long time with his mouth open before a roast duck flies in.
But all these links to things I haven't had time to keep up with do, I
think, underline my point.

Of course, I didn't really mean that any one person should sieve the
*entire* set of posts here and prepare a newsletter for the people who
don't have time; a Sisphyean task indeed as has been noted. I was really
just trying to articulate some of what I find frustrating and make some
suggestions, knowing very well that I have not read what may be better
ideas (and apologies for that as appropriate). I wasn't fishing for a
suggestion that I go off and do something myself as seeing if the
suggestions had any resonance and if so discuss some collaborative
possibilities with anyone interested.

What I could do, indeed, is review the documentation posts you've linked to
and see if I can synthesize something and, perhaps, do a survey using, say,
Google Docs. I may have missed it but I haven't seen anything like that
done. But from my perspective what I'd like to see is not so much better
documentation, as in "how to" materials, but better communication,
especially for casual users.

Cheers,
Paul

PS I hope you did get the expression "I'll get my coat" was a joke; code
for "I've said something embarrassing, so I'll leave now".

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Re: [tw] Re: Lost work two times with tiddlywiki node version

2017-01-18 Thread Arlen Beiler

It sounds like server details would be good. This sounds like it could be
related to the sync mechanism somehow, but we would need to know how the
server is setup.

On Jan 17, 2017 09:27, "Russell Cosway"  wrote:

> I have started to suffer this now.  I am on a MacMini running MacOS Sierra
> 10.12.2.  I use Firefox 50.1.0 and autosave is enabled; I only used Firefox
> for TW work.  TW version is 5.1.13 and is on a node.js hosted on AWS - I
> didn't set that up but could get the server setup details is needed.
>
> I have had no browser crashes and I can see no recreatable pattern of
> circumstances.  I have literally watched the text of the tiddler disappear
> in front of my eyes.  Due to the inter-relationships i'm working on i may
> have 10 tiddlers open at once, maybe 2-5 of those in draft.  However, the
> loss occurs when I have saved and the TW tick has gone from red to grey -
> soon after saving a tiddler, either that tiddler or another I have open
> clears.  There are no "drafts" of the lost tiddler left.  The tags and last
> saved information remains intact, just the text is cleared.  The json
> export shows it as "".
>
> I too have now lost hours of work and considering my options to produce my
> wiki, so any insights and improvements would welcomed.
> R
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 12:00:25 AM UTC, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> It may be a bug, and we may need to look into it.
>>
>> See my link in the last post, or quoted below, showing how to use NodeJS
>> data folders with Electron so it saves correctly.
>>
>> Please do take all reasonable precautions in using this as well, and I
>> can't warrent that it is perfect, but it's for your reference.
>>
>> Enjoy :)
>> -Arlen
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2016 20:47, "Dmitry Sokolov"  wrote:
>>
>> I see dropping modified tiddler as a bug.
>>
>> I am intensively working with PBWorks at the moment (while preparing
>> transfer to TW in future).
>> PBWorks gives you all indicators of the processes taking place. I know,
>> for example, that saving finished when a URL with no "edit" appeared. Then,
>> it's safe to close the window.
>> Another protection measures they have is a warning dialogue on closing
>> page being edited, before the save button pressed.
>>
>> I think, we have to learn best practices from other platforms, collect
>> them within just one platform, and implement as soon as practical.
>> Sorry for being persistent with the simple idea:
>> our team performance depends on how quick particular topics are
>> found/discovered for reuse.
>> Please let me know if this mechanism is already realised, and that's just
>> me who can't see it.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Dmitry
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 December 2016 10:17:50 UTC+13, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>>> I just had an idea. The way the NodeJS server currently works is
>>> asynchronous. It syncs with the server and then returns to the browser.
>>> Then the server syncs to the file system and returns. If there would have
>>> been a time where you closed your draft, waited for the check mark to turn
>>> grey, and then immediately exited, it is possible that the server could
>>> have missed writing the files. Try to see if you can replicate it like
>>> this. If so, that may be the problem.
>>>
>>> The way I dealt with that was to hack tiddlywiki (forget how, but I
>>> think involved some of the first code in boot.js or bootprefix.js) so that
>>> it would save directly to the file system from the browser.
>>>
>>> Here's a gist that I posted https://gist.github.com
>>> /Arlen22/45f1a460c9e348fa50ad
>>>
>>> For electron you would set the data directory in index.html, then open
>>> index.html in a new BrowserWindow. And your done. The file syncer actually
>>> takes care of saving changes, so it should stay red until the file actually
>>> gets saved.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:51 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Not necessarily a bug in TW per se. No one ever promised (that I know
 of) that it would work on Electron. Definitely no one promised that it
 would work with a custom version of Electron and if it's on a custom branch
 of TW5 that depends on sensing its platform  --- all bets are off.

 Just depending on small desktop web/file  servers (like node.js) has
 always been risky in my experience. The hardware and the software may not
 be robust enough in all situations. Usually, there are time lags. Your
 machine may prioritize your email or web browsing over the web server.  If
 you shut down your machine or server before a save has completed (which
 might happen if you have a 3 or 5 page tiddler) then the chances are even
 greater. The trick in that situation would be to either save your own copy
 of current work locally or to break the work into smaller chunks. The
 editing tools in TW5 make working with smaller chunks easier than before.

  If you check the

[tw] Re: What is most useful on GitHub?

Hi Jed,

Github pages, deals nicely with tw.html files and custom domains. 
Git itself only stores the diffs, if you have concerns about disk space :)

-m

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[tw] Re: NoteSelf mobile app ( well, kind of)

2017-01-18 Thread Adam Houston

Is it possible to load the gsd5 (or your forked copy 
https://github.com/danielo515/gsd5 ) into the NoteSelf Online edition?  I 
have been interested in a gsd/dgsd/GTD type tiddlywiki that could sync 
individual tiddlers vs uploading the entire wiki as well as run on a mobile 
device.

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 1:15:20 PM UTC-8, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> On their continuous effort to deliver cutting edge features to you, the 
> NoteSelf team (formerly known as just me :D) is delighted to announce that 
> *NoteSelf online 
> edition* is now an offline-first experience.
>
> This means that you will be able to use the online edition *even if you 
> are offline*, isn't that mind-blowing ? 
>
>
> Wait, there is more! 
>
>
> Being an offline-first application allows you to use NoteSelf *like* a 
> native mobile app. This mean that you can have it on your *app launcher 
> with it's own icon*, that it will appear on your list of opened/recent 
> apps and some other features restricted to native applications.
>
> Hey, hey, hey, I want this! Fine, this is how:
>
>1. navigate to noteself.github.io/online with a *compatible browser*
>2. open your browsers options and select "add to home screen" (text 
>may vary depending on language and browser version)
>3. you will see something similar to the below image (sorry it is on 
>spanish)
>
>
> 
>
>   4. NoteSelf can now live along with the test of your apps! (pic 
> below)
>
>
> 
>
>   5. it even has a beautiful (depending on your likings) splash screen!
>
>
> 
>
> The supported browsers for the native app experience are chrome and Opera 
> so far, Firefox is on the way. The offline capabilities should work on a 
> wider range of of browsers.
>
>
> This have several advantages over the offline version:
>
>- Allways up to date. Don't worry anymore about updating, the online 
>version is allways the latest version!
>- Direct access from your launcher with a recognizable icon
>- Easier to use: because we rely on web standards the user experience 
>is delightful. For some reason mobile browser vendors doesn't like opening 
>local html files and opening them can become a tedious task. Sometimes its 
>is just not possible.
>
>
> Hope you enjoy this new feature as much as I do , at the end I'm the main 
> user of NoteSelf :)
>

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[tw] What is most useful on GitHub?

2017-01-18 Thread Jed Carty

Is it useful to have tiddlywiki html files with plugins on GitHub? I have 
links to the demo sites so it may be redundant but I am not sure how other 
people feel about it.

I am moving a lot of my tiddlywiki things onto GitHub as OokTech since I am 
working as OokTech now. I am hoping to clean up the code and improve 
documentatino while I am doing it so this is going to be part of that.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Simpe example for Video or Audio Library

2017-01-18 Thread Greg Davis

Thanks Tobias. Yes, I like Ton's Left Menu, added a little to it. I was 
looking for something relatively simple to access videos or audios and 
thought keeping it that way would be a good example for novice users.

Don't frequently have such a repetitive set of tiddlers, such as these, but 
a macro would be ideal. Oddly, a quick search at TiddlyWiki.com for 
examples didn't lead me to a workable macro but another of your posts got 
me on the right track. At least it seems to be the right track, it worked 
in Firefox and Chrome.

Here are examples of global macros for local videos and videos on Dropbox, 
if anyone notices a problem please let me know. I'll have to add macro 
examples to TiddlySpot.

Leaving macros for audio up to the user.

Greg


*LOCAL VIDEOS*

title: $:/_video-local macro
tags: $:/tags/Macro

\define videolocal(folder poster name)




Sorry, your browser does not support the HTML 5 video tag.

\end

folder  = folder containing poster and video files (assumed one level below 
the TiddlyWiki)
poster  = complete poster filename including extension
name   = video name *without the extension*

Firefox recognizes only webm videos, Chrome recognizes both mp4 and webm 
videos. If you only use one browser, you can remove the extra lines. I 
forget which browser wanted ogg.

the macro call format:  
<>

example: 
<>


*DROPBOX VIDEOS*

title: $:/_video-dropbox macro
tags: $:/tags/Macro

\define videodropbox(dbposter dbname)




Sorry, your browser does not support the HTML 5 video tag.

\end

dbposter  = complete link, including extension, to poster file on Dropbox
dbname   = link, *without the extension*, to video file on Dropbox

the macro call format:  
<>

example: 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] NEW plugin: tobibeer/sparkl for simple inline sparkline diagrams

2017-01-18 Thread Sylvain Naudin

Hi Tobias,

Nice a good job as always :)

I was not looking for this small graph like Dave, but it seem it's quite 
close to this render, just have a classic bar graph.

What I was thinking, it's for example :
I have a country per tiddler, with some custom fields, for example average 
retirement age. And automatically, create a chart bar graph with filter 
country to see difference between them.

What do you think of this another plugin ?

Cheers,
Sylvain

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

2017-01-18 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi Tony

Your tw5-checklist plugin is great, a perfect fit for managing minor 
subtasks in my daily life! Thank you so much for sharing this!

I have all my tasks in one list and filter them as "projects" by their 
tags. You can see an example with multiple projects and tasks here:
http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#ToDoNow 

Well, to be honest, I have separate wikis for private and work notes so 
there is no confusion about these two domains. If I had only one wiki, I 
think I would tag my tasks something like:
* work-projectA
* work-costomerB
* home-garden
* home-shopping

Happy do-ing!
Thomas


Am Mittwoch, 18. Januar 2017 21:34:59 UTC+1 schrieb Tony Grosinger:
>
> Thomas,
> It looks like there is only one ToDo list which can then have as many 
> items as you want. Is there any way to have multiple lists? For example you 
> might want a "work" list and a "home" list.
>

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[tw] Re: Transclude and Reveal question for a novice

Hi Again, Toddler...

So, to solve your original request you basically do need to have one field 
per table in order to filter appropriately.
In other words, you need to drop the pattern of listing all Tables a Field 
is being used in the Field tiddler.
Instead, everyon Table.Field tiddler should describe that relation as a 
tiddler of its own.
...which brings you to something more resembling my suggestion, after all 
;-)

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

2017-01-18 Thread Tony Grosinger

Thomas,
It looks like there is only one ToDo list which can then have as many items 
as you want. Is there any way to have multiple lists? For example you might 
want a "work" list and a "home" list.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

2017-01-18 Thread Tony Grosinger

Wow, I am so excited to see that someone else is using my tw5-checklist 
plugin. I will have to get back to working on that and fix up some of the 
bug reports and feature requests.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 3:59:19 PM UTC+1, PJO wrote:
>
> I wouldn't have to do this if there was a TiddlyWiki newsletter, which 
> could of course be hosted on a TiddlyWiki, with some summary info of, e.g.
>
>- Core developments
>
> see: It's in "dev speak" :) http://tiddlywiki.com/#Releases  but it's all 
there ;) 

>
>- New plugins
>
> see: It's in "dev speak" :) http://tiddlywiki.com/#Releases  but it's all 
there ;) 
 

>
>- Issues discussed in the google group
>
> That's close to impossible. This would be a full time job. 24h a day.  

>
>- New applications with links
>
> see: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Community ... but it needs pull requests from 
the community.

>
>- Other Notes
>
> see full time job.
 

> I'm sure I'm not the only person who gets newsletters and reports 
> periodically, by email, that get converted into tiddlers (one of my most 
> useful applications of TiddlyWiki; saves having to wade through Word files 
> later to write up project reports).
>

I'm sure everyone would like this. It's just a matter of resources. ... 
Even if a wealthy sponsor would like to throw several 100k at the project, 
we don't have a legal framework in place to deal with it. .. Which would / 
should be a separate thread by the way. 

have fun!
mario 




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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

2017-01-18 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi PJO

When I read your posts I am impressed by your will to contribute innovative 
ideas and by your metaphorical language, so allow me to answer in the same 
way—maybe this will sound strange as English is a foreign language for me. 
You make the impression of a man walking up in the mountains, stepping into 
a river in his coat, watching some leaves floating by and complaining about 
the fish that are not jumping up in his pockets, while down the stream they 
have great bridges so your feet don’t get wet and fishing nets and heated 
pools ;–)

Now, maybe it could be rewarding to dive into the river to see some fish 
that have been swimming against the stream for a while … e.g.

Jeremy’s call for updating the community resources on tiddlywiki.com for 
the next release: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/mILsOWLlWXg/Ex0rr1LADAAJ 

Moans from other users about poor documentation with 100+ contributions: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/R5Ml_P8IO5g/riy-XGloBQAJ

A very short dialogue about funding and TW: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/UIbK0XEDODc/7fFWx2HkCwAJ

I can imagine you don’t have time for that. But if you had the time, would 
you consider to sum your findings up and write a newsletter about it? I am 
sure you would find many readers here.

So the last thing I want to do is to steal the worms from your hook or, in 
other words, to slow you down, where you have ambitions to improve or to 
add something. Just take your coat of, grab a shovel and go ahead!

Cheers ;–)
Thomas




> Maybe it's time for some stocktaking? But if everyone is ok with the 
> current situation I'll get my coat.
>
> > map for users
>
> Indeed, a map for users would be creepy if it disclosed anything about 
> them without consent. However, it's an opt-in map of weather stations and 
> people who run weather stations are often interested to check their records 
> against other stations once in a while. The only thing necessarily 
> disclosed is "there's a weather station here running WeeWX software".
>
> Raspberry Pi groups and others use maps to let people see where there may 
> be birds of a feather. Most discussion forum software has optional profile 
> info. So, maybe not *that* creepy, but indeed, maybe not all that 
> relevant. I was just mentioning some things I like. The map could be a show 
> case or register of sites compiled by users by embedding data in a wiki. 
> The intended thrust of my remarks about WeeWX was how nicely everything was 
> presented (although also using Google Groups and github!) and findable from 
> the home page. 
>
> The last thing I want to do is snark about commendable efforts people are 
> making now. Instead: discuss whether there are things worth borrowing in 
> terms of approaches to user engagement that might be worth accommodating in 
> the context of a fresh start or reorganization rather than accretion.
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

I understand. My point was just that it would be nice to get headline news 
in a digest form to stay abreast of news without checking in here all the 
time. 

How long before some pops up here asking about happened to TiddlySpace?

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 3:59:19 PM UTC+1, PJO wrote:
>
> I dip in here now and then, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who does 
> so. 
>
> It's hard to keep track without checking in more frequently than I usually 
> have time for. To give an example: I thought I saw a pinned message a while 
> ago indicating that anyone using TiddlySpace needed to backup their TWs as 
> it was closing. Now I see references to it as if that hasn't happened? So, 
> do I search on TiddlySpace and go through posts? 
>

TiddlySpace is gone, that's why the pinned post is gone too.
-m

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki app idea

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 12:52:28 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> So the 1-click action is discussed, but not available yet. I personally 
>> prefer b).
>
> I think it would be easier to implement. I'll have a closer look. 
>
> Tobias seems to prefer a). So we'll see :)
>
>
> I have no preference at all.
>

:)
 

> If a message is the best way to do it,
>

I don't know. I thought it would be generic and wouldn't cause any 
compatibility issues. 
 

> i.e. "tm-open-external-link" or some such,
> then we should do that.
>
> Is that what you have in mind?
>

yea. based on: http://tiddlywiki.com/#WidgetMessage%3A%20tm-open-window  
but I didn't have a closer look at the source yet. 

-mario

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Re: [tw] Re: Automatic backup

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 5:07:56 PM UTC+1, quest...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> indeed Sir! Where can I lay my hands upon it?
>

The TiddlyFox announcement is here: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywikidev/VqvGlnrfLjE

have a look at: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/52.0a2/auroranotes/ 
about FF-dev

The FF developer edition installs a second FireFox, that is independent 
from your existing version. It has its own profile and configuration 
settings. So you don't break things with your existing version. 

FF-dev lets you install unsigned extensions from the harddisk. See: 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing  and search for 
"unsigned" So you'll see how to do this. ... 

*but be aware, to just install extensions, from sources you trust*
have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

Thanks for catching that. Fixed. 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

Not a redditer and no time for that, sorry. Overall, your response (and
thanks btw) just adds to the plethora of TW sites. I guess my feeling is
that TW is all over the shop and it would be better off bringing as much as
possible under one roof, except for the code.

I searched Google Groups on TiddlyWiki and didn't find or overlooked
Tiddlywikidev; thanks for pointing it out. Now there's that and Reddit and
StackExchange and this is progress? I'm not convinced yet. And these things
aren't even on the TiddlyWiki home page, which was explicitly part of the
point of the comparison with Mint and which doesn't arise from any
technology differences.

> Mediawiki etc.

I understand the distinctions your trying to make and I appreciate the
difference. My point was wondering whether TW has perhaps hobbled itself
from the user engagement POV by not using a wiki (and discussion forum with
file sharing) with user authentication alongside TW. Perhaps this is
heretical?

> a twederation project

As an occasional user here, not monitoring a blog or a newsletter, I don't
have any idea better than a guess what this about and there's nothing on
TiddlyWiki.com about it. The first comments I could find in Google Groups
were from someone saying he couldn't understand it. If I can be blunt this
is one of the things that's a bit wearying about TiddlyWiki -- fragments of
information all over the place (many of which, historically, have not
survived) and no proper structured communication that would provide an
alternative to stepping into the river here and watching everything that
goes by. I don't have time, and I don't think TiddlyWiki is going to scale
as it could if that doesn't change.

Overall, I was suggesting stepping back and looking at other projects not
just going on adding more different sites. I realize that some throwing mud
at the wall and seeing what sticks is part and parcel of how FOSS works but
...

Maybe it's time for some stocktaking? But if everyone is ok with the
current situation I'll get my coat.

> map for users

Indeed, a map for users would be creepy if it disclosed anything about them
without consent. However, it's an opt-in map of weather stations and people
who run weather stations are often interested to check their records
against other stations once in a while. The only thing necessarily
disclosed is "there's a weather station here running WeeWX software".

Raspberry Pi groups and others use maps to let people see where there may
be birds of a feather. Most discussion forum software has optional profile
info. So, maybe not *that* creepy, but indeed, maybe not all that relevant.
I was just mentioning some things I like. The map could be a show case or
register of sites compiled by users by embedding data in a wiki. The
intended thrust of my remarks about WeeWX was how nicely everything was
presented (although also using Google Groups and github!) and findable from
the home page.

The last thing I want to do is snark about commendable efforts people are
making now. Instead: discuss whether there are things worth borrowing in
terms of approaches to user engagement that might be worth accommodating in
the context of a fresh start or reorganization rather than accretion.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

Hi PJO,
 

> It's hard to keep track without checking in more frequently than I usually 
> have time for. To give an example: I thought I saw a pinned message a while 
> ago indicating that anyone using TiddlySpot needed to backup their TWs as 
> it was closing. Now I see references to it as if that hasn't happened? So, 
> do I search on TiddlySpot and go through posts? 
>

That was TiddlySpace! May I suggest you edit your OP to remove that bit 
entirely so as to not furhter confuse other users?

Best wishes,

Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: Transclude and Reveal question for a novice

Hi again, Toddler,

I modified the template showing other fields of the same table
to give you an example for revealing stuff using states, see...

http://schema.tiddlyspot.com

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Transclude and Reveal question for a novice

Hi Toddler,

I added a few more templates to: http://schema.tiddlyspot.com
 

> A Client_Number field will be the same whether it is on the Client_Table 
> or the Account_Table.
>

Actually, I would think that in the client table it will probably be the 
primary key, perhaps *ClientKey* where as in other related tables it will 
not be, but rather be some *ClientRef* (pointing to the key in the client 
table). But sure, there can be a number of related tables all of which use 
*ClientRef*. However, you would need to have a great DB architect never to 
run into collisions, i.e. where a field name would always mean the same 
thing in all tables that have it.

Also, similar to the template I gave you, it would be quite easy for 
*SomeTable.SomeField* to check if there is any *OtherTable.SomeField*, so 
the two are intrinsically linked without having to have to be a single 
tiddler. You could even make it so that *SomeTable.SomeField* would have a 
field *master:yes* that would inidcate that this is the master tiddler for 
the field *SomeField*. So, you don't have to specify the very same details 
for every other table that essentially implements the same field. However, 
the more you have of those the less normalized your DB presumably is. So, 
in general, you don't even want these kind of replications, unless perhaps 
performance dictates you to.
 

> The *Business Description* or *Data Type* should not change, no matter 
> what table they are in.
>

You never know that, unless it's a strict rule in your architectural 
guidelines.
 

> The things that might change are whether or not that table allows nulls 
> for that field or the fields origins, such as where it is ETLed from or 
> when it is in a view from another table.
>

Whatever the differences, as said, you can easily have one 
*SomeTable.SomeField* be the master, so that any *OtherTable.SomeField* would 
display a fallback from the latter for any field only defined at the 
master. Whether that is actually correct or not is a different issue, 
though. ;-)
 

> Furthermore, while *SomeTable Notes* option that you suggested can be 
> used, it creates extra tiddlers. Using a one field to one tiddler concept 
> creates a simple conceptual parallel to the person filling out the data 
> dictionary.
>

Not sure what you mean here: Can you provide an example?

Furthermore, using the transclude option allows an end user to print out 
> the definition for all the columns in the table and not just the field 
> names, which is what appears to happen with the tiddler you suggested.
>

You can easily extend the template to contain all kinds of details you may 
wish to display for those fields to a table, or for tables having the same 
field.
 

> The template in that wiki is pretty awesome and should be commended, 
> however, the use of the same *field* tiddler in multiple *table* tiddlers 
> seems to be more versatile.
>

Again, nothing stops you from using my suggested naming conventions and 
still figure out what other table has a master definition for that 
fieldname.
 

> The main crux of the issue is that when a field is used multiple times, 
> such as Client_Number, then it would be easier to read the Client_Table 
> definition without the Account_Table details getting in the way.
>

Not sure I understand this. Again, if there would be *SomeTable.SomeField* 
set to *master:yes*, then it would be easy to point to the master 
definition for that field... and indicate that it's actually some other 
table where that is primarily defined.
 

> While they are still pertinent, they should remain minimized until needed.
>

Exactly, so *OtherTable.SomeField* may actually just be that, a tiddler 
with a title and nothing else. However, you'd be sure to have two tiddlers 
that indicate separation of concerns and you could easily have it so that 
*OtherTable.SomeField* actually has different details thant 
*SomeTable.SomeField*, should that be the case.

Again, I thank you for your time and showing a different way on how to 
> accomplish this task.  However, I am still on my endeavor on figuring this 
> out. The $reveal widget, should be the way to go.
>

I prefer the ListWidget.

However, I do not understand how to set the state based on the tiddler 
> name. If you or anyone else has any guidance it would be greatly 
> appreciated.
>

You define a state namespace via macro, e.g.:

<$vars state="$:/state/selected-table/$(currentTiddler)$">
...your stuff using a non-qualified state like like <$text text=<
>>/>...


Or, if you need to be fancy about it:

\define do-it()
<$vars state="$:/state/selected-table/$(currentTiddler)$$(qualified)$">
...your stuff using a qualified state like <$text text=<>>/>...

\end

<$vars qualified=<>>
<>


Best wishes,

Tobias. 

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[tw] Lazy Loading does not pull requested tiddlers

2017-01-18 Thread Tony Grosinger

I am running my TiddlyWiki on NodeJS (v4.4.7) and because of a bunch of 
images I have added the load time has been slowing down. I am exploring 
enabling Lazy Loading  but having some 
trouble getting it working.

When I enable lazy loading, the search seems to work just fine, however 
images never get loaded properly. Here is the command I am using to start 
my tiddlywiki:

```
/usr/bin/node /usr/lib/node_modules/tiddlywiki/tiddlywiki.js 
/home/tony/myTW \
--server 8080 $:/core/save/lazy-images text/plain text/html myUsername 
myPassword
```

If I change the `$:/core/save/lazy-images` to `$:/core/save/lazy-all` then 
everything seems to be broken and no tiddler data is shown. Any idea why it 
is not successfully pulling down the lazily loaded content?

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki user engagement

2017-01-18 Thread Riz


Hi fellow mint user!! 

Technically most of what you mentioned  is here. 

Alternatively, a blog with tags corresponding to topics such as I've 
> enumerated. 


Have you had a chance to drop into https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ ? 
If you can volunteer, I heard the guy running that thing needed more hands 
on the deck.

There's a developer blog: segfault.linuxmint.com ; also useful for people 
> to keep an occasional eye on what's coming
>

Corresponding part will be https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pulls ? 
Then there is always Pre-releases to test the up and coming features: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/

TiddlyWiki by comparison has seemed as if trying harder to explain what it 
> is, *using TiddlyWiki*


Technically linux mint is using a website because linux mint is not a 
web-oriented service. That will be apples and oranges comparison.  A 
comparable example would be something like BananaDance Wiki 
 or MediaWiki 
 or dokuwiki. 

Yes, resources can take a little bit of work and exposure. But hey, it is 
there 

The software itself tells you that updates are available and they're easily 
> installed (true of most distributions of course)
>

Which would require the software to ping the mother-ship. Don't give them 
ideas. 

Documentation exists in many languages
>
 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Languages 
 with a lot more coming and 
the translation is something people can chime in. 

There are TWO Google Groups: one of developers and one for users.
>

Here is the developer group : 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywikidev

Users can and do contribute extensions which they can document and provide 
> links to via a wiki maintained in github (community curated documentation)
>

Users can and do contribute extensions which they can document and provide 
links to via a wiki maintained in github  -  
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pulls. I wish it didn't have to be 
github. Nevertheless it is there.

The web site has a world map showing where users are located.


Isn't that a tiny bit creepy? I always found it a little bit creepy. 
 

There is a nascent SE forum 
 underway so 
that we can conduct discussions more effectively. There is a twederation 
project actively developed by Mat and Jed for a Social Network platform.  


I think what TiddlyWiki needs is more organized, structured attention to 
> all the things besides the code and that certain difficulties arise from 
> that being moving target, among other things.
>

There - no questions. Whole hearted agreement. 

Riz.


 
 

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Re: [tw] Re: Automatic backup

2017-01-18 Thread questorian

indeed Sir! Where can I lay my hands upon it?

I know not of such speak of "Dev" mailing lists...

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Re: [tw] Re: Automatic backup

2017-01-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston

> On 18 Jan 2017, at 08:24, questor...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > However, some imminent technical changes to Firefox are going necessitate 
> > releasing a new version in the next few weeks, so this will finally be 
> > attended to.
> 
> Did this happen? I have been patiently waiting 

A couple of weeks ago I posted a link to a beta release on the TiddlyWikiDev 
mailing list. It's a bit awkward to try it out but feedback is very welcome,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: Automatic backup

2017-01-18 Thread questorian

> However, some imminent technical changes to Firefox are going necessitate 
releasing a new version in the next few weeks, so this will finally be 
attended to.

Did this happen? I have been patiently waiting 
;)

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[tw] TiddlyWiki user engagement

I dip in here now and then, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who does 
so. 

It's hard to keep track without checking in more frequently than I usually 
have time for. To give an example: I thought I saw a pinned message a while 
ago indicating that anyone using TiddlySpot needed to backup their TWs as 
it was closing. Now I see references to it as if that hasn't happened? So, 
do I search on TiddlySpot and go through posts? 

I wouldn't have to do this if there was a TiddlyWiki newsletter, which 
could of course be hosted on a TiddlyWiki, with some summary info of, e.g.


   - Core developments
   - New plugins
   - Issues discussed in the google group
   - New applications with links
   - Other Notes
   

I'm sure I'm not the only person who gets newsletters and reports 
periodically, by email, that get converted into tiddlers (one of my most 
useful applications of TiddlyWiki; saves having to wade through Word files 
later to write up project reports).

*Suggestion:* a TiddlyWiki newsletter hosted in TiddlyWiki would be good. 
Alternatively, a blog with tags corresponding to topics such as I've 
enumerated. Either way, with user surveys as a regular feature (see the 
Distrowatch  weekly e.g.)

If I can make a Linux analogy, TiddlyWiki feels rather like a rolling 
release like Arch. For years now the most successful distributions (Linux 
Mint, Ubuntu and many derivatives) have followed a six-monthly release 
cycle with long term support versions every 2 years. I appreciate that that 
cadence might not suit many who show up here, but it does have advantages 
in terms of having stable releases for documentation and issue tracking. 
Maybe the Linux kernel is a better analogy -- it goes through point 
revisions all the time, and what version is incorporated is in part a 
function of the timing of the release of a new distribution.

In any case, a key benefit of this splitting updates into what in Debian 
terms is "stable" (long term support) and "testing" (latest) releases is 
that people can install which ever suits and then tune in to what they need 
to know with corresponding frequency. Those to whom stability is paramount 
can pick an LTS release and forget about tracking breakages and fixes for a 
good while--apart from anything that needs to be backported (security fixes 
in particular).

My impression is that the TW community is fizzing with creativity but that 
the TiddlyVerse, to coin a word (if it hasn't been coined), is that it's 
not as accessibly organized and structured for new users who are not 
developers and occasional updaters (like me) as it might be. This is an 
observation and not a complaint.

There have been some interesting discussion of TiddlyWiki "journeys" which 
I think reflect some of the same perceptions but I am not sure what actions 
if any have or may result -- I'd have to start reading posts when a 
newsletter or blog would keep me informed more conveniently and perhaps 
flag something I might be able to contribute to without having to stay 
abreast of everything (which I have to say an impressive number of people 
*seem* to do, and new people too, which is great).


*Suggestion*: TiddlyWiki would benefit from some comparison with other open 
source projects and borrowing of good practices regarding user engagement, 
and then making some deliberate choices based on community feedback

Some examples, just picking a few things that come to mind that I actively 
like about some other projects (not at all an exhaustive comparison)

Linux Mint:


   - The Mint community solicits donations and publishes information about 
  the money received. I give money every month because I use it and I get 
  satisfaction from supporting the remorseless improvement of a truly 
  fantastic public good.
  - There's a developer blog: segfault.linuxmint.com ; also useful for 
  people to keep an occasional eye on what's coming
  - The home page at linuxmint.com provides links to all the important 
  resources at a glance and is attractively presented; I hope nobody will 
be 
  offended if I say that TiddlyWiki by comparison has seemed as if trying 
  harder to explain what it is, *using TiddlyWiki*, than in providing 
  an at-a-glance link to ALL the key resources. I apologize if this is 
  unfair, it's a subjective impression. I know it's improved a lot but I 
have 
  wondered if the having to be its own showcase has been a straightjacket.
  - The software itself tells you that updates are available and 
  they're easily installed (true of most distributions of course)
  - Documentation exists in many languages
   
An interesting question perhaps: *What would persuade you to make an annual 
contribution to TiddlyWiki?*

WeeWX:

This is an application that interacts with a weather station and which 
publishes data and graphs to databases and web sites (weewx.com). I use it 
on a raspberry pi to run a

[tw] Re: Filtering a list with backwards regular expression

2017-01-18 Thread Ste Wilson

Hi sara, 
I don't suppose you'd consider putting your Wiki on tiddlyspot or uploading an 
example so I could have a look so set up could you? 
I kind of get what your doing but want to see how it works and then I can see 
if it's something which might be be benificial to my Wiki. 

Ste

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[tw] Re: Transclude and Reveal question for a novice

2017-01-18 Thread Toddler Wiki

Tobias,

Thank you for the response and the link to the schema tiddly. The way that 
template functions is really great. Your suggestion on changing the naming 
convention is also a really good one.

However, the reasoning as to why a field would its own tiddler (independent 
of the table) is because in this data dictionary, fields are being treated 
as concepts and not as subsets of a table. Let me explain... A 
Client_Number field will be the same whether it is on the Client_Table or 
the Account_Table. The *Business Description* or *Data Type* should not 
change, no matter what table they are in. The things that might change are 
whether or not that table allows nulls for that field or the fields 
origins, such as where it is ETLed from or when it is in a view from 
another table.

Furthermore, while *SomeTable Notes* option that you suggested can be used, 
it creates extra tiddlers. Using a one field to one tiddler concept creates 
a simple conceptual parallel to the person filling out the data dictionary.

Furthermore, using the transclude option allows an end user to print out 
the definition for all the columns in the table and not just the field 
names, which is what appears to happen with the tiddler you suggested. The 
template in that wiki is pretty awesome and should be commended, however, 
the use of the same *field* tiddler in multiple *table* tiddlers seems to 
be more versatile. The main crux of the issue is that when a field is used 
multiple times, such as Client_Number, then it would be easier to read the 
Client_Table definition without the Account_Table details getting in the 
way. While they are still pertinent, they should remain minimized until 
needed.

Again, I thank you for your time and showing a different way on how to 
accomplish this task.  However, I am still on my endeavor on figuring this 
out. The $reveal widget, should be the way to go. However, I do not 
understand how to set the state based on the tiddler name. If you or anyone 
else has any guidance it would be greatly appreciated.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-5, Tobias Beer wrote:

> Hi again, Toddler,
>
> Yuo may even want to consider using the schema as a prefix, should you 
> have more than one, e.g.:
>
>- schema
>- schema.SomeTable
>- schema.SomeTable.SomeField
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki app idea

Hi Mario,

So the 1-click action is discussed, but not available yet. I personally 
> prefer b).

I think it would be easier to implement. I'll have a closer look. 

Tobias seems to prefer a). So we'll see :)


I have no preference at all.
If a message is the best way to do it,
i.e. "tm-open-external-link" or some such,
then we should do that.

Is that what you have in mind?

Best wishes,

Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, Linux Mint and Node.js

Pretty sure I used sudo for npm install and when tiddlywiki --version gave 
an error I tried again with sudo with no better result.

The npm is not the latest if that matters. 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki app idea